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DeAndre Jordan

Are the Clippers making a mistake by allowing Jordan to get offers from other teams instead of just offering him a contract right now (similar to what Memphis did with Rudy Gay, even though I believe Memphis overpaid)? With the lack of big men available via free-agency right now, a team that misses out on Chandler, Nene or Gasol could go after him and offer him a big contract. All it takes is one idot GM to overpay him, which is sure to happen.

I've watched damn near every Clippers game since 2008 and Jordan has gotten a lot better. Blake Griffin's work ethic has rubbed off on him. He's still very raw offensivelly and will just get you dunks and garbage buckets, but his understanding of where to be on defense has improved. He's a better on ball defender and help defender as well. He runs the floor just as well as Griffin. He's a good shot blocker and rebounder. Plays with a high motor.

I think LAC could be making a mistake (suprise surprise). And IF they lose Jordan, that won't look too good in Griffin's eyes, since that's his best friend.

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I think Jordan would rather

I think Jordan would rather take less money to stay with this current Clippers group than jump ship now. They are only just scratching the surface of what the group could achieve together, and he's young enough that he has two long-term deals left. Being part of a potentially winning team for the first part of his career should be his priority. Also, he obviously loves playing with Blake, so hard to see him forcing the Clippers into overpaying or leaving unless they really lowball him.

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All the good things you

All the good things you decribed about him are exactly what most of the teams are looking for right now. They don't need another scorer but 7'0 foot post defenders and rebounders are at a premium right now and someone will not only make an offer but I bet there are teams out there that value him over some of the other choices because of his potential.

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I think they are kind of

I think they are kind of taking a chance not offering him something now that is reasonable. I think they should offer him something fair in their minds and hope he takes it. If they don't, some team is liable to offer him something big that they may not want to pay. EX. Offer him 7 to 8 mil because some team may offer him 10 to 11. Just an example because i am not sure his worth in this new market.

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They aren't going to let him

They aren't going to let him go. What is wrong with letting the market decide his value instead of over paying him? That are going to match any offer he gets instantly so it really doesn't matter. Unless he is involved in a trade he is going to remain a Clipper

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Clips

The Clippers has to show that they are smart by signing DeAndre Jordan back. Looking at that one-two punch combo down at the low post, you could see how athletic and how must-see they are because of Blake and DeAndre's array of dunks... He'll never be more than a Tyson Chandler clone who can be a 10 and 8 guy but that's fine. I think having Blake with him was beneficial because Jordan's work ethic has improved.

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Make an offer

I believe they are taking a risk. They need to at least make an offer. As Freeman said above a lot of teams are looking for a big, young, defensive minded center who plays hard. I think there are teams out there that would overpay for him, so it would be best to try to get something done quickly.

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Maybe they think they are

Maybe they think they are still in the mix for Howard, so they don't want to jump the gun just yet.

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He should stay

He should definitely stay with the Clipps. He has a nice thing going and I think his role opposite Blake is perfect for him and will allow him to flourish more than we have already seen.

I did a write up about 10 free agents including him and had just the same thought that he will stay with the Clippers and should stay with the Clippers.

But there is definitely risk in letting him hear offers because you know if a team like Dallas loses Chandler for example they will be willing to throw more money than they should at DeAndre and that could put the Clippers in a tough spot.

http://www.stobblog.com/2011/12/nba-free-agency.html

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DeAndre Jordan is the perfect

DeAndre Jordan is the perfect test case for how the new CBA does nothing to help competitive balance because dumb teams haven't gotten smarter. He has no offensive skills and is a lousy defender. For three years, his per minute numbers as remarkably similar, so any argument that he has improved clearly isn't bearing out in the numbers. Chris Kaman getting hurt didn't make him better, it just gave him more opportunities to be the same player he always was. He has not in any way helped the Clippers become a better defensive team. The only difference is that now he has Blake Griffin next to him, and that raised his profile. You don't pay someone for happening to be next to Blake Griffin, but it wouldn't surprise me if some dumb pays him. It won't help them in the least, but that is the problem with the bad teams in the NBA.

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btph

Are you really that dumb? You sat right at your computer and read people say they SAW with their own 2 eyes D. Jordan improved especially last year... Bill Simmions wrote a column on how him and Perkins have similar numbers the difference is DJ younger... BTW Bill Simmions is a season ticket holder to the Clipps (as will I soon), then you have a knowledgeable poster in Indiana say he's seen every game since '08 and you continue to hate the kid? You fawking stat w hore, go actually watch a game...

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@tuck243: I've watched every

@tuck243: I've watched every single one of Deandre Jordan's games on the Clippers and I think that while he has remarkably improved, he still has a long way to go. However, that's not saying he's not worth the money he'll receive. Jordan is much better defensively now, but he is far worse at on-ball defense compared to his weakside defense. Sure he has become an asset as a shot blocker on defense, but he still is an average if not below average defender in the post. On the brightside, DJ was far worse at on-ball defense when he entered the league and rarely was in the right spot defensively. His growth leads me to believe that he'll continue to get better and will eventually become a Marcus Camby type player, which is fitting considering Camby was his mentor when he entered the league.

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If you are going to call me

If you are going to call me dumb and accuse me of not watching basketball, don't you think you should bring more to dispute my thoughts than citing Bill Simmons? So what part of what I wrote is wrong?

Are you debating that DeAndre Jordan has no offensive skills and is entirely reliant on his teammates to create for him? (note: Good luck with that one.)

Are you arguing with the numbers that I put forth that the only difference in Jordan's numbers have been that Chris Kaman got hurt in year three? (Ball don't lie, numbers don't lie.)

Do you think the Clippers were a good team defensively? (Now, who didn't watch the games?)

Do you think that if Blake Griffin was a Bobcat or Raptor that there would any buzz surrounding an unskilled offensive center who despite blocking a few shots is largely a lousy defensive player?

If you want to bring forth a random and completely foolish comparison to Kendrick Perkins, then you ought to know that Kendrick Perkins had a horrible season that makes his contract look brutal. The OKC frontline got worked over in the playoffs defensively, and they were basically spectators on offense. Perkins, for one, has regressed horribly on offense. A few years back, he was someone who, while mechanical in the post, was worthy of a touch down low. The guy was a committed defender and was able to get a little love every now and then. Not as much as he wanted, but some. Last year, he was a complete zero on offense and vastly overrated defensively. DeAndre Jordan has never been in a spot to regress. He has always just been a typical unskilled backup center on a bad team with no defensive infrastructure. That screams Amir Johnson last year, Kwame Brown when the Lakers picked him up, Andris Biedrins shortly after "We Believe," and Sam Dalembert circa the AI era. But hey, I didn't explicitly point out that I watch basketball in my post on a basketball website forum, so I am just dumb. Somehow that newfound reality is also making me believe John Henson is a good defender. See, people who say they watched him said it, so it must be true.

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Damn... Kendrick Perkins

Damn... Kendrick Perkins can't get any slack? An ACL tear and reconstructive knee surgery is a two year injury. He'll be better this season.

When it's all said and done, DeAndre Jordan is going to be overpaid... All it takes is one dumb GM.

He's shown improvement though and I think it'll continue this season. He's changed his work ethic. His confidence is higher. He's been working on his game. I mean, I'm expecting a good season.

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According to reports, the

According to reports, the Clippers have offered DeAndre Jordan $40 million over 5 years.

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That is a fair offer.

That is a fair offer. Probably high for his actual output but everyone overpays for bigmen. EX. Andris Biedrins, Jerome James, Samuel Dalembert, Brendan Haywood, you get the point. This contract is actually lower than most of those. If I was Jordan I would accept that.

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IF Jordan is worth $8 million

IF Jordan is worth $8 million per season, then how much is Eric Gordon worth???

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seriously?

That's a little bit high but I think it's a deal DeAndre just cannot resist... Fair is a good word... I was estimating $30-35 Million... not to mention he gets to play longer with Blake Griffin by his side... He has definitely developed himself into a Tyson Chandler-like player... The worst case scenario for him without Blake? He could have been Kwame Brown 2.0...

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I'd have offered him $30 million

I'd have offered him $30 million over 5.

He wants to stay in LA and play with Griffin. $6 million a year is enough.

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Indian, Gordon will want the Max in LA

If they are even considering Keeping Gordon, he's going to want the MAX...DJ's getting 40 million over 5...Eric is going to want 90 over 6...

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considering

considering how important EJ is to them right now, they have to find a way to keep him... dealing the maximum deal would be tough since Blake Griffin will also be demanding that sum of money...

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Jordan should've gotten $5-6

Jordan should've gotten $4-5 million per year and Gordon should be getting $8-10 million per year.

The only real max player in the 2008 class is Derrick Rose.

I feel sorry for the T-Wolves. IF Jordan can get $8 million per season, Love is DEFINITELY getting maxed out.

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i never understood how he

i never understood how he fell in the draft like that...but his play has really improved and he WILL get paid...

people over-pay for big-men...thats just how it works...if you watch/follow the NBA dont act surprised

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And how do they expect to pay

And how do they expect to pay their other key players when your offering a energy guy a 40 million dollar contract. Griffin, and Gordon are due for major paydays, and they still have Bledsoe, etc... Not to mention they are trying to pull in a major free agent.

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The Clippers were never going to keep Gordon and Griffin

thats the part nobody see's coming...

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"He has definitely developed

"He has definitely developed himself into a Tyson Chandler-like player"

Except Tyson Chandler learned to play defense along the way under Skiles, Scott, Brown, and Carlisle. He has had his ups and downs, and certainly loses focus and confidence at times, but he is a legitimate defender. Jordan is just a big body biding time under Vinny Del Negro. If he signs for $8 it million per, they might as well just put the check in Blake Griffin's name.

A big potential winner would be Trey Thompkins who sans Kaman (assuming Houston, Boston, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Portland, and Atlanta inquire shortly after the ink dries) would figure to be the first big off the bench and with his ability to hit a 15-18 footer would be a better offensive pairing with Griffin. On those two whistles and out nights for Jordan, he will get plenty of burn and it was beyond dumb that he dropped in that draft.

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Jordan played well 1

Jordan played well 1 season.... ? and all of you are talking about 8 9 10 M $ a year.... !!!!

I know he's young (upside blablabla) and size is not cheap and you have to be very "kind" with blake to make him stay, but when you compare him to marc gasol : GOD !!!!

If jordan takes 40M over 5 years it could also be a real cap killer in the next years if he underachieves (behaviour, injuries....) and in that case, friend or not, blake won't be very happy to see the clippers with so few options.

Gordon as blake are still under their first contract and will ask big money.

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I think that if they are

I think that if they are really offering him 40m 5 years contract they will keep that possibility to fire one your player for a few years in case he wont be as succesfull as they expects. Actually, its hard to predict their moves because when the owner's aim is to have a team without huge expenses he could even trade a good player just to cut down the cap...

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Money really isn't an issue

Money really isn't an issue with the Clippers. They have plenty of cap room this summer and will have plenty of cap room next summer.

I don't think Jordan is worth $8 million per season, but it could've been a lot worse.

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No NBA Team has won w/o a big man only MJ..

Know that, Accept that... BTPH, you have clearly shown with your claims that you only look at stats for your arguments which is sad because you sometimes have good points... Your hate for DJ shows because you can't even give the man credit...

For the task at hand, Kendrick Perkins was given 4 yrs 32 mil the same as DJ 5 yrs 40 mil offer... 8 mil a year... The difference Kendrick is 28 and DJ is 22... They put up similar numbers while KP is more of a man defender DJ is a weak side one... 8 mil for an athletic defensive shot blocker and rebounder who is 22 and getting better EVERY year? I don't think that is too over paid.. Honestly it should be around 5 but hey we all know GM's are dumb and don't want to lose guys so that's why they overpay... (Another reason why they realize the lockout was esstential to getting more money back from the players because they will still overpay)...

Another thing BTPH, Who the fawk cares if he did that when Chris Kaman was out? Your point? He finally got his opportunity to play good minutes... Your argument is dumb, because if ANY player was playing 10 min a game he wouldn't be that effective unless his role was Eddie House... I HOPE WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT PLAYING MORE MINUTES WITH BETTER COMPETITION WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP INTO A BETTER PLAYER... Especially if you are not on a short leash... Do yall even PLAY basketball? Or you the kid on the sideline and warm ups that look nice, but can't play a lick of 5 on 5?

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Gordan will be paid the same as any other

small 2 guard... The Clippers just gave DJ the same amount of money that Kendrick Perkins was given... The big man in the NBA is equal to the importance of an QB in the NFL... You ain't winning ish if you don't have a good one... That's why they SHOULD be a little overpaid... Eric Gordon isn't wanted by other teams enough to give him 8 million a year... This contract DJ is being offered is all about MARKET VALUE... Stay in school kids...

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so you're telling us that

so you're telling us that you're sure gordon won't get 8M a year and you're asking us to stay in school.... KID !

WOOOOWWWWW !!!!!

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tuck243, so now I am a bad

tuck243, so now I am a bad player because I can see DeAndre Jordan can't make a 5-footer and fails to help the Clippers stop anyone? That is precious.

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I wouldn't pay DeAndre Jordan

I wouldn't pay DeAndre Jordan more than 15-20 million. He's not worth more than that. He makes nice dunks and plays with energy and looks good in the jersey, but that doesn't mean overpay. He has alot to learn even though he has improved.

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JunkYard and BTPH

First Junk Yard... They only paid DJ that much because that is what the market says he should be paid... If they allow him to recieve a temp offer from another team it will be a little higher (TRUST ME)... This is a copy cat league, like everyone drafting athletic PG's and at a time athletic SF's... They just saw Dallas win a championship because their 2 big man Chandler and Haywood protected the rim and rebounded... So big man will be overpaid this year, because its the market... No team is that damn high on Eric Gordon to throw him 40+ Million other than the Clippers maybe... Especially if he doesn't have an All-Star caliber season anytime soon... I'm not saying he's not a better player than Jordan, I'm just saying he won't get paid the same... Just like a teacher is paid less than a lot of other professions... It's what is demanded from the market, come on this is basic economics, THAT'S WHY I SAID STAY IN SCHOOL...

BTPH aka Skip Bayless, NO ONE disagrees with you, its just too damn extreme... Yes DJ doesn't have any offensive game just like 75% of the leagues centers, but he's athletic, long, a shot blocker, and a decent rebounder... All of which teams want especially this year... Why you think Greg Oden will command around the same amount of money and he hasn't been nearly as productive as DJ...

And like I said NO TEAM in HISTORY has won a chip without some big man clogging the middle and rebounding, only the Bulls... And you can make an argument the Luc and Rodman provided that... Why in the hell you think the Magic has so much success with D Howard? He provides that defensive presence and DJ onlt being 22 he has a lot of room to develop which he has been doing lately... Yes Blake Griffin has rubbed off on him, but so the Fawk what? He has developed a good work ethic and developing fast stop being such a hater...

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Tuck going HAM... I can agree

Tuck going HAM...

I can agree with you... The market clearly determined DJ's value because, his play sure didn't lol. I think he's improved and only going to get better, but he will definitely be overpaid. But like they say... "You are worth what someone is willing to pay you!"

I'm happy for the kid though. He dropped in the draft and has worked his way up. His work ethic has changed COMPLETELY, which is what made him drop to the second round. He was projected as the top pick once upon a time on this site. I'm looking forward to watching him. I've probably been one of his few supporters on this site for the longest.

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^^^

and I'm the one who loves him (no homo) lol

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I was reading the Bill

I was reading the Bill Simmons article the other day and he was saying about how someone is going to give Jordan 42 mil, and that it'll take 50 mil for the Clips to match. That is absolutly ridiculous, however the Clips have no choice, and paying Jordan more than 5 mil per year is completly defeating the purpose of why we just had a damn lockout!

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I think Jordan will get a lot

I think Jordan will get a lot more. His advanced stats are excellent, the Clippers low balled him to be honest.

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