Davis or Drummond?
Andre Drummond has been getting alot of hype on here recently(rightfully so) and some people have said that they would rather have Drummond instead of Davis. Who would you rather have? The next KG or the next potential Dwight? Both guys are freaks of nature with monster ceilings(Drummonds may be higher), Davis has a unique skillset with deadly inside/outside potential and could be the most complete big man in the league in 5 years, and Drummond has all the makings and tools of being the next great defensive center. Who would you take?
Give me Drummond. He's taller, longer, already has a great build and I think he's more athletic too. He's not nearly as skilled as Davis, but he's already a better rebounder and shotblocker. I think both will end up being great players, but Drummond's ceiling is a good deal higher in my opinion. Not to mention Drummond's rate of improvement seems to be much faster then Davis at this point.
If he played in Kentucky he would have been no. 1 in the draft. Young big men need time to develop especially on offense. Luckily for them (Davis and Drummond) they have defensive games already when they entered so its a big plus
Good question, I'll get back to you in 5 years lol.
But seriously though, they're both athletic freaks and potential franchise players so I don't think you can go wrong with any of them at this point. I expected Drummond to get better in a few years but he's already past my and most of other people's expectation though he is still a long way from being a dominant big man. I say it comes down to leadership, Davis was a leader in Kentucky along with Kidd-Gilchrist and is definitely the leader in defense with the Hornets, I don't really see Drummond as a leader as of this point but he could grow into it seeing as to how he keeps exceeding everyone's expectations with his accelerated improvement.
I honestly hate how this is even a debate, but I guess I understand cause so many people are enamored with height, weight, and speed! Drummond will be a defensive force but will never play in the 4th quarter cause he shoots 36% from the foul line and looks lost half the time...Once Davis gets more involved in the offense he will be a great 2 way player and his career will be longer cause he can shoot...Makes 3's in warm ups and practice all the time so a future pick and pop guy later in his career...Davis also has a higher IQ and seemingly better work ethic...It's possible that Drummond can reach Dwight Howard but to me he looks more like a Javale McGee/Deandre Jordan type player and Davis looks at worst like Rasheed Wallace but more like KG.
Sorry to step on so many of you guys toes but to me and most people with bball knowledge it's pretty obvious...I'd rather have a guy who you could potentially run your offense through and anchor your defense than have an athlete who has no post moves, touch, or ball skills...Davis really has more skill in every department except body weight and he's battled injuries all season..
You do realize making 3's in practice is completely irrelevant right? Because Andre Drummond has made more 3's then Anthony Davis has this season. I don't see how you can possibly say Davis seems to have a better work ethic either because Drummond seemingly get's better every week, and I don't think you've watched him at all this season from what you're saying. I have no problem with anyone picking Davis, but trashing Drummond in the process and acting like it's not remotely close is completely wrong.
Ok...yeah, Drummonds a better 3 point shooter...lol Guarantee you Davis emerges into a spot up shooter similar to Sheed was,...and its not close, Davis has all-time great potential and Drummond won't ever get off the bench in the 4th quarter when it matters...dude has only made 5 out his last 28 free throws and has very limited offensive abilities..in 5 years this debate will be a joke..
I never said it Drummond is a better shooter but Davis' shooting ability is so overrated. You're talking about his great 3pt game when he has made a grand total of 0 this season. It's not a skill unless it's done in a game. I'm sure Demar Derozan makes 3's in practice too. Drummond is probably the worst free throw shooter in the NBA, and I don't deny that. But saying he won't play in the 4th quarter (when he already does) is stupid. And Drummond's potential is just as high if not higher then Davis so again you bring up an irrelevant point. He's progressing faster then Davis is too. So you pick Davis and act like you're some god and I'll stick with Drummond and see how much of a joke this is in 5 years.
Btw for you're viewing, Drummond's numbers in Davis' minutes:
10.6 ppg 59 FG% 36.5 FT% 11 rpg 0.6 apg 2.4 bpg 1.4 spg 3 fpg 1.1 topg
FG%, rebounds, blocks, steals and turnovers are better, yikes this Davis guy sure is out of Drummond's league! No way will he ever learn a skill and get better!
I'm talking about Davis BECOMING a 3pt shooter dude...he's only attempted like 2 the whole season. Drummond plays against bench players and plays with Monroe, and Davis plays against starters and is the best post player they have which makes a huge difference.. and potential has more to do with than just running and jumping athleticism...Will to win, IQ, Consistency, Shooting, Hands, leadership, Passing, and Effort are more important and I'll take Davis in each...
I just feel like people who would take Drummond just REALLY want him to be better than Davis but are delusional maybe because they hate Kentucky or something...same deal with Lebron Haters always saying Durant is better...the skillsets are just on another level..
Even with you trying to clearly favor Davis with your ridiculous 'potential qualities' (that don't include important things for big men like rebounding, shot-blocking and post defense but do include things like shooting and passing) Drummond could be argued over him in several. Let's just agree you haven't watched him play, because the very first comparison you made was McGee/Jordan and he's already arguably a better player then both. Like I said, I don't care that you prefer Davis, but the way you went about it and your arguments for the most part have been a joke. Also UK is my 3rd favorite team so yeah...
How can you value one guy's potential way over the other guys, when both are the same age, and Drummond has made strides since UConn, and Davis is basically the same?
I think Davis is going to be Chris Bosh on offense, and Serge Ibaka on defense. That's a nice player for sure, but Drummond has a much higher potential of being a dominating big man in the paint. For all Davis' hype, he isn't really big enough to domiate the paint defensively, and his offensive skill set is overrated. Really has no post moves worth mentioning. Agree 100% with Shield here.
My only issue with your post is saying Drummond looks more like Deandre Jordan. He is already on another level than Jordan. If he had CP3 throwing him oops all day as well I'd imagine AD's stats would be that much higher than what they already are. Otherwise I agree with most of what you say. I'd pick Davis as he has all the talent to be top 5 pf of all time in the liking of KG. He is already so polished and should continue to improve his game to a super star level within a couple years. Drummond may/will probably end up best center in league in 5 years, yet remain light years away from top 5 greatest centers of all time. In the end you can't go wrong with either player. Huge Det fan saying this too so I have zero bias towards Davis.
It's important to realize that they are both about the same age with a year of college experience, Davis is about 6 months older but Davis is also still growing into his body while Drummond has been a physical freak for most of his life however Drummond seems to shy away at times from using his physical gifts, while Davis embraces his new found height and length and uses it well.
I think Davis' clearly has the higher potential while Drummond physicality is simple unmatched at any level he doesn't have the same skill level as Davis nor does he seem to understand the game as well. You can already isolate Davis on the block and have him get a bucket, while Drummond is for the most part relegated to lobs and putbacks.
I will say that Drummond's skill level is also overlooked and when he was being compared to Deandre Jordan I said Drummond could average more as a rookie then Jordan averages this year, and now that the Howard comparisons are coming out, I'll point out that Drummond has a much better feel on offense and skill on offense then Howard had coming into the league.
Both of these guys are going to be dominant big men, I just feel Davis has the potential to be the next Olujuwon while Drummond is going to be a Howard type force with a little more skill on offense.
I don't see why you got negged. Great post. Only thing that is a little far fetched is Davis and Dream comparison
Trust me I know, people freak out when I compare him to the Dream, but it's not as far fetched as it sounds when you actually look at their physical abilities. But people compare him to Garnett very often the only big difference is that I believe Davis will turn into a more selfish scorer whose quickness, footwork, length, and willingness to to bang underneath will turn him into a nightmare matchup on offense. Like I said before he was even drafted Davis is far more advanced offensively then people realize, and he's already being touted as being further along on offense then people thought. He's actually having more trouble on defense this year then offense as Davis is having trouble adjusting to reading the PnR. But Davis' shotblocking, rebounding, and offense I believe will become this generations Dream who himself was an undersized slim bodied center.
One thing to take into consideration is that Drummond has played most of his minutes against 2nd units while Davis has mostly been facing starters.
I have to take Davis anyways because I have a grand bet on him making an all star team within four years (3 more years now). What you guys think my odds are at this point?
He's in the West, but I belive Davis will start putting up All Star Numbers as early as next year when he should be averaging 17 and 10 with 2 blocks and a steal per game.
this is such a useless debate.... their only 19.... and rookies.... give them a couple years for pete sakes
It's too early to decide.
One thing I will say though is I know Drummond has a lot of hype on this site recently, but have people stopped watching Davis? He's pretty damn good and he's more skilled than people realize. The Kevin Garnett comparisons are real.
These two are two different players though. Drummond more of a center and Davis more of a power forward. The funny thing is they'd actually compliment each other extremely well.
If only Drummond fell one more spot to New Orleans at #10. I was surprised to see Drummond fall out of the top 5, especially since Drummond and Davis were considered the top 2 prospects for most of the season. And it's not like Drummond had a bad season. He went for 10-8 if I remember correctly, which is pretty good considering he was one of the youngest players in college last season.
If I had to choose, I'd take Drummond, as I've always been higher on him. I am starting to see the comparison between Davis and Garnett, but I think Davis still has a ways to go to get on that level. As for Drummond, I don't know who he is comparable too. I think his potential is somewhere in between DeAndre and Dwight, but his play styles aren't the same as those two.
"The funny thing is they'd actually compliment each other extremely well."
Oh yeah, and to think these two came oh so close to becoming teammates. If Drummond had dropped one more spot on draft night (big if), we could be looking at the most terrifying PF/C combo to ever lace up basketball shoes
I agree Davis also doesn't have a guy like Monroe to play off of in the post, his free throw and jumpshot form is very good, I believe both players will be very very good it's just Davis may have a longer career as he has the skills to match the athleticism, Andre still has a ton of time to improve though offensively.
Couldnt understand the love N.O. had for Rivers during the draft. Once you saw Drummond slipping, my heart (Not a Hornets fan) was pounding at the thought of pairing Davis with Drummond. We all knew Detroit would have taken him at 9- N.O. could have swapped 10 with TOs 8. TO could have then taken either Ross or Lamb. I would have jumped on the bandwagon then.
But for this topic- Ill stick with Davis. If he doesnt work on his weakness, ironically his strength, and only improves upon his strengths, he will at the least become a very good player. Drummond is getting by only on athleticism and hustle. He has a lot of weaknesses to work on to be considered over Davis at this point. If he doesnt improve, his strength, hustle, and athleticism will not make him an all-star caliber player. Look at D. Jordan in lobb city. Many of us fell in love with him in the begginning of the season, now not so much.
Personally I'd pick Drummond because Davis is already showing signs of being a injury prone player. It seems like everytime I read about Davis he is injured.
Davis would be a good player, not great IMO. Drummond reminds me a lot of ben wallace...I always hear alot about dwight howard, but I personally see ben wallace. Drummond has the similiar defensive tendacies, Drummond has the potential to guard mult. positions like Wallace did, he's quick on his feet and he's wants to dunk everything (like ben wallace earlier in his career). I think that he doesn't develop any offense I think he could pan out to be a Ben Wallace-type, but if he does develop offense, or a least a aggressive go-to move he could be a dwight howard type.
As for Davis, I see him more of a Chris Bosh w/ defense kind of player throughout his career. I don't see KG, because players like don't come around often. KG always played ferocious, high energy. I just don't see that in Davis. But Davis will be a very very good player, just not great.
So again, if I had to pick, I'd roll with Andre Drummond, and not being biased because im a pistons fan.
Davis. I understand everyone on this site gets a chub when Drummond is mentioned, but I'd still take Davis.
I like Davis but think he'll always be a little too small to play center against the Gasol's, Howards, and Bynums of the league. Yes he could be a great PF but center is the far more valuable position. So with that....I'll take Drummond. A 6'11 280 lb man child that can jump out of the gym.
drummond and davis should have good careers. i take anthony davis. i would take kevin garnett easily ahead of dwight howard on that other debate you had to. and i believe if howard were playing in the big man era of twenty years ago he would not look as good against those great post players. he could still play but he would not lead a team to a finals in that era. i take elite skills over freak of nature.