[ilike.panochasParticipant]

It wasn’t a blockbuster trade by any means, but I am a Darren Collison follower since his days with UCLA. I’ve been trying figure out what the Pacers’ main intention of acquiring Hill, I know it’s always good to have a good back up PG, but a 15th pick overall is a steep price for a back up PG. Hill may indeed have the tools to be a starting PG, but I don’t see him being better than Collison. 

Is this trade meant to light a fire under Collison to take his game to another level? Or perhaps they weren’t satisfied with Collison as their starter? Or do they really mean to play these two PGs together giving them +30min a game? I thought their main need was a PF, rather than a PG. 

[nateoak10Participant]

 Hill is mainly a SG

[nateoak10Participant]

 Hill is mainly a SG

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Simply for depth.  You can never have enough scorers off the bench, especially Hill, who is one of the better combo guards off the bench in the league.  Especially since Granger may be traded soon and George will be their starting SF, that SG position is going to milk minutes for Stephenson, Rush and Hill.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Simply for depth.  You can never have enough scorers off the bench, especially Hill, who is one of the better combo guards off the bench in the league.  Especially since Granger may be traded soon and George will be their starting SF, that SG position is going to milk minutes for Stephenson, Rush and Hill.

[GottaFeedTheFamParticipant]

Theres been a lot speculation over this trade and whether Hill and Collison will play together or if the move was made for depth purposes. I really dont know what Indiana plans to do them, but I would expect them to play together for parts of the game especially when the Pacers go small, because Hill is better than any other 2 guard on the team (hes def more ready to play everyday minutes than Stephenson, who Frank Voegel does not seem to be too enamored with and i’m not sure where the Pacers see Paul George fitting in, is he a 2 guard or a 3?) With Hill being a solid player that can play defense and play within the limits of an offensive system I definately think hell be getting around 25-30 minutes a game. Last year it looked to me Hill was the better player between him and Collison, however Collison has a lot of potential as seen by his run 2 years ago when he took over the Hornets when CP3 went down and tore it up. Should be interesting to see what happens there.

[GottaFeedTheFamParticipant]

Theres been a lot speculation over this trade and whether Hill and Collison will play together or if the move was made for depth purposes. I really dont know what Indiana plans to do them, but I would expect them to play together for parts of the game especially when the Pacers go small, because Hill is better than any other 2 guard on the team (hes def more ready to play everyday minutes than Stephenson, who Frank Voegel does not seem to be too enamored with and i’m not sure where the Pacers see Paul George fitting in, is he a 2 guard or a 3?) With Hill being a solid player that can play defense and play within the limits of an offensive system I definately think hell be getting around 25-30 minutes a game. Last year it looked to me Hill was the better player between him and Collison, however Collison has a lot of potential as seen by his run 2 years ago when he took over the Hornets when CP3 went down and tore it up. Should be interesting to see what happens there.

[BigDParticipant]

Hill played SG mainly with the Spurs, so why people freaking out now he’s going to be doing it with the Pacers? Hansborough is quite capable of filling in that PF spot for the time being, had a couple of 30pt games towards the end of the season, best they wait on him and McRoberts for another season to see how they develop.

[BigDParticipant]

Hill played SG mainly with the Spurs, so why people freaking out now he’s going to be doing it with the Pacers? Hansborough is quite capable of filling in that PF spot for the time being, had a couple of 30pt games towards the end of the season, best they wait on him and McRoberts for another season to see how they develop.

[theEDGEParticipant]

Hill was to become the starting PG for the Spurs, but he can play SG as well.

Pacers might have their hidden gem at PF already, because Hansbrough should be something special.

A.J. Price could also play the PG as well as Stephenson who also could be a back-up SG.

Rotation could look like this:

PG: Collison / Hill / Price / Stephenson

SG: George / Hill / Rush / Stephenson / D.Jones / Posey

SF: Granger / George / Rush / D.Jones / Posey

PF: Hansbrough / Granger / Posey

C: Hibbert

 

[theEDGEParticipant]

Hill was to become the starting PG for the Spurs, but he can play SG as well.

Pacers might have their hidden gem at PF already, because Hansbrough should be something special.

A.J. Price could also play the PG as well as Stephenson who also could be a back-up SG.

Rotation could look like this:

PG: Collison / Hill / Price / Stephenson

SG: George / Hill / Rush / Stephenson / D.Jones / Posey

SF: Granger / George / Rush / D.Jones / Posey

PF: Hansbrough / Granger / Posey

C: Hibbert

 

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Hill played all three perimeter positions for the Spurs and is an above average defender at each guard position.  He plays more like a wing than a pg.  The Spurs probably traded Hill because they have a glut of young guards, and in SA Hill was most important on offense for spot up shooting and being able to handle to ball as a pg off the bench, but not necessarily to create plays.  I doubt that the Pacers (or the Spurs) see Hill as a future starting pg.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Hill played all three perimeter positions for the Spurs and is an above average defender at each guard position.  He plays more like a wing than a pg.  The Spurs probably traded Hill because they have a glut of young guards, and in SA Hill was most important on offense for spot up shooting and being able to handle to ball as a pg off the bench, but not necessarily to create plays.  I doubt that the Pacers (or the Spurs) see Hill as a future starting pg.

[kevnix5Participant]

I think the Pacers got a steal in that trade. Don’t get me wrong I think Kawhi Leonard will be a good NBA player but George Hill is bringing more to the table right now. George Hill is well worth the 15th pick in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory. There were no sure things at that pick but you know what you are getting with Hill. He can shoot, he can drive and he plays tough on defense. I can see them using a quick line up of Collison, Hill, Paul George, Granger and Hansbrough/Hibbert (neither of these two are quick but you have to have some size at C) when they want to get out and run. Collison is the better PG I don’t think there is any question about that but Hill is probably the better defender and even though he is undersized can guard most SG’s in the league.

[kevnix5Participant]

I think the Pacers got a steal in that trade. Don’t get me wrong I think Kawhi Leonard will be a good NBA player but George Hill is bringing more to the table right now. George Hill is well worth the 15th pick in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory. There were no sure things at that pick but you know what you are getting with Hill. He can shoot, he can drive and he plays tough on defense. I can see them using a quick line up of Collison, Hill, Paul George, Granger and Hansbrough/Hibbert (neither of these two are quick but you have to have some size at C) when they want to get out and run. Collison is the better PG I don’t think there is any question about that but Hill is probably the better defender and even though he is undersized can guard most SG’s in the league.

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 I rather start Hill at shooting guard and Collison at Pg but have Hill bring the ball up the court and allow Collison to play more off the ball to score more

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 I rather start Hill at shooting guard and Collison at Pg but have Hill bring the ball up the court and allow Collison to play more off the ball to score more

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

The move could work because of the versatility of their roster. I dont know which direction they’ll go but I would love to see Hill coming off the bench as a super 6th man because he could fill in for any of the three perimeter starters. He could check in for Granger, sliding George to the 3, and putting him with Collison in the backcourt; and obviously he could fill in at either backcourt position. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him play 30+ minutes filling in all over the place. He can defend either backcourt spot.

Perhaps most important, he will sell some tickets for his hometown team.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

The move could work because of the versatility of their roster. I dont know which direction they’ll go but I would love to see Hill coming off the bench as a super 6th man because he could fill in for any of the three perimeter starters. He could check in for Granger, sliding George to the 3, and putting him with Collison in the backcourt; and obviously he could fill in at either backcourt position. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him play 30+ minutes filling in all over the place. He can defend either backcourt spot.

Perhaps most important, he will sell some tickets for his hometown team.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The Pacers have always been high on Hill.

During high school, he’d workout with and play against Artest and other Pacers players in open gym during the summers. And while he attended IUPUI, he did the same thing.

It’s good to see that some people actually watched Hill during his tenure with the Spurs. He plays both guard spots. He played alongside Parker and he also played alongside Ginobli. He defends both guard spots well. Obviously, you don’t want him defending Joe Johnson or other bigger two guards in the league, but Hill does have the length to make up for being only 6′ 2″. He’s a very good defender.

I just don’t see a problem here. What’s funny is a lot of the same people who are questioning the Hill trade are the same people who thought Fredette would be a good pick for the Pacers if he fell to 15.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The Pacers have always been high on Hill.

During high school, he’d workout with and play against Artest and other Pacers players in open gym during the summers. And while he attended IUPUI, he did the same thing.

It’s good to see that some people actually watched Hill during his tenure with the Spurs. He plays both guard spots. He played alongside Parker and he also played alongside Ginobli. He defends both guard spots well. Obviously, you don’t want him defending Joe Johnson or other bigger two guards in the league, but Hill does have the length to make up for being only 6′ 2″. He’s a very good defender.

I just don’t see a problem here. What’s funny is a lot of the same people who are questioning the Hill trade are the same people who thought Fredette would be a good pick for the Pacers if he fell to 15.

[TRC1991Participant]

i actually like hill better than collison. i think he deserves to start at the 1

[TRC1991Participant]

i actually like hill better than collison. i think he deserves to start at the 1

[kobyzParticipant]

i think this trade is failure for the Pacerc, Kawhi Leonard has much more potential, boardline allstar potential(Shawn Marion like), i saw almost every George Hill game in the NBA and i can say he is no more than ok backup combo guard, first off all he can’t run a team for long parts, not at all a pure PG, and also as a player somthing just not right about him, he has skills and some talent but he is so erratic!

i don’t understand Pacer’s decision in this trade, i do agree that Darren Collison may be on the weak side of the starting PGs in the league but they didn’t get any upgrade in this trade over him, just to get a backup PG?! it’s a low price for what they gave, and anyway i think A.J. Price is good enough for that role, they could have use much more Kawhi Leonard who would have been give them a player to play both wing positions and to complete well Granger and George in a 3 player rotantion, player with strong intangibles, winning attitude and upside.

[kobyzParticipant]

i think this trade is failure for the Pacerc, Kawhi Leonard has much more potential, boardline allstar potential(Shawn Marion like), i saw almost every George Hill game in the NBA and i can say he is no more than ok backup combo guard, first off all he can’t run a team for long parts, not at all a pure PG, and also as a player somthing just not right about him, he has skills and some talent but he is so erratic!

i don’t understand Pacer’s decision in this trade, i do agree that Darren Collison may be on the weak side of the starting PGs in the league but they didn’t get any upgrade in this trade over him, just to get a backup PG?! it’s a low price for what they gave, and anyway i think A.J. Price is good enough for that role, they could have use much more Kawhi Leonard who would have been give them a player to play both wing positions and to complete well Granger and George in a 3 player rotantion, player with strong intangibles, winning attitude and upside.

[kobyzParticipant]

^^^ i meant borderline, not boardline, excuse me!

[kobyzParticipant]

^^^ i meant borderline, not boardline, excuse me!

[BigDParticipant]

George Hill was not brought into the Pacers just to be a backup PG, but rather the starting SG or the super 6th man, who plays both spots and gets around 30mpg

[BigDParticipant]

George Hill was not brought into the Pacers just to be a backup PG, but rather the starting SG or the super 6th man, who plays both spots and gets around 30mpg

[kobyzParticipant]

but he is not good enough player, Kawhi Leonard would have made them a better team point-blank!

[kobyzParticipant]

but he is not good enough player, Kawhi Leonard would have made them a better team point-blank!

[BigDParticipant]

Kawhi Leonard wouldv’e struggled for minutes with George and Granger already there. They wanted playoff experience and a level headed guy, George Hill fits the bill, George Hill is also plenty good enough to get around 30mpg with the Pacers, Poppovich was talking him up as Parker’s replacement if you remember until he was traded. The Spurs had a greater need for Leonard and the Pacers had a greater need for Hill. It was a good trade for both teams.

[BigDParticipant]

Kawhi Leonard wouldv’e struggled for minutes with George and Granger already there. They wanted playoff experience and a level headed guy, George Hill fits the bill, George Hill is also plenty good enough to get around 30mpg with the Pacers, Poppovich was talking him up as Parker’s replacement if you remember until he was traded. The Spurs had a greater need for Leonard and the Pacers had a greater need for Hill. It was a good trade for both teams.

[kobyzParticipant]

so you estimate Hill way too much, for a reason Spurs dump him, i saw every  game of Hill in the NBA and i just don’t like him as a player, someone who didn’t followed him closely could get wrong impression and think he’s good, but even with his skills and abilitys he is not at that level, it’s hard to explain why, being so erratic it’s one of the reasons.

[kobyzParticipant]

so you estimate Hill way too much, for a reason Spurs dump him, i saw every  game of Hill in the NBA and i just don’t like him as a player, someone who didn’t followed him closely could get wrong impression and think he’s good, but even with his skills and abilitys he is not at that level, it’s hard to explain why, being so erratic it’s one of the reasons.

[JNixonParticipant]

George Hill isn’t that great to me either. He’s quick and a solid shooter, and his length allows him to play bigger than he is as a combo guard, but he’s not anything special. He’s not a PG at all really, and he’s not all that consistent. He’s a good 2nd unit spark, but he’s not an ideal starter and I dont see him ever being that. He definitely wasn’t brought in to compete for Collison’s spot. He’s not as good a PG as Collison by a good bit, although Collison wasn’t that great, pretty much just decent, as the Pacers PG.

[JNixonParticipant]

George Hill isn’t that great to me either. He’s quick and a solid shooter, and his length allows him to play bigger than he is as a combo guard, but he’s not anything special. He’s not a PG at all really, and he’s not all that consistent. He’s a good 2nd unit spark, but he’s not an ideal starter and I dont see him ever being that. He definitely wasn’t brought in to compete for Collison’s spot. He’s not as good a PG as Collison by a good bit, although Collison wasn’t that great, pretty much just decent, as the Pacers PG.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Spurs always seem to dump guys that seem to be solid back up point guards..A few years ago they waived Beno..I like Beno’s aggressiveness..And Hill filled well when Parker was out..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Spurs always seem to dump guys that seem to be solid back up point guards..A few years ago they waived Beno..I like Beno’s aggressiveness..And Hill filled well when Parker was out..

[JoeWolf1]

 Bench scoring was one of the main weaknesses I noticed while watching the Pacers in the playoffs, I think Hill fills an obvious role here and the Pacers.  A guy to bring off your bench and put up 10 + points and someone who is capable of filling it up in a hurry.  i think the Pacers are a team that wants to win now, and Kwahi Leonard isn’t really that guy when you have Paul George showing some real promise as a rookie.

[JoeWolf1]

 Bench scoring was one of the main weaknesses I noticed while watching the Pacers in the playoffs, I think Hill fills an obvious role here and the Pacers.  A guy to bring off your bench and put up 10 + points and someone who is capable of filling it up in a hurry.  i think the Pacers are a team that wants to win now, and Kwahi Leonard isn’t really that guy when you have Paul George showing some real promise as a rookie.

[cward23Participant]

Hill is a very good addition

[cward23Participant]

Hill is a very good addition

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