Dallas Mavericks Draft-Markannen or Ntilikina

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Posted on: Wed, 03/29/2017 - 5:28pm #66012

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Dallas will likely pick 9th to 11th in this draft. As mentioned before this is a very high draft pick for this team and they have a great track record developing talent. I usually see Ntilikina being selected with this pick in mocks despite Yogi Ferrells strong play and alot of the time this pick is made despite Markannen being available.
I like the idea of putting Ferrell in a reserve role as I feel he would be able to develop inti a potential 6th man candidate in that role. I also feel like Ntilikina and Ferrell would play well together.
Yet Lauri Markannen probally has posters of Dirk on his walls and a picture of his one legged fadeaway as his screensaver. Given Dallas’ track record in developing players and Markannens productivity and potential would that not be a match made in heaven. Ive seen mixed opinions on this. Thoughts?

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Posted on: Wed, 03/29/2017 - 7:29pm #1094740

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As a lifelong fan I really hope we don’t take Markannen. I see him being a very hogh level role player at the next level. He doesnt do anything besides score- hes a below average rebounder, a below average defender, and not a terribly great passer. Now you might say, Dirk is only a scorer too! Dirk is one of the greatest scorers we’ve seen at the four spot, and a servicable rebounder in his prime. I don’t want us to pass on one of the point guards that will inevitably fall to us due to a dream of Lauri being the next Dirk- when in reality they play very different games. Dirk is not a particularly prolific 3pt shooter, making most of his bread and better from the mid range area. Lauri will most likely make the bones of his money being a great floor spacer out at the 3 line. That isn’t to say thats his only skill- hes a terrific offensive player who has shown the ability to put it on the deck and score from a multitude of spots on the floor, but he isn’t the juggernaut that you can run an entire offense through that Dirk was.
If Ntilkina, Smith, Fox or Monk falls to us, I want them. If Lauri is the only guy available when we are picking, I’m not mad with that pick. I think he will fit well next to Noel. However, if we take him expecting him to be the second coming of Dirk, a lot of people are going to be extremely disappointed over the next 5 years.
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Posted on: Wed, 03/29/2017 - 10:44pm #1094749

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to me Markannan better suited for the 3 position in the nba, cause he’s great shooting from outside and also will be able to post smaller player if he play that position…
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 3:50am #1094765
  
  Jr. ROXAS
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  Man what Markannen is already slow for a 4 man, let alone a 3.
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Posted on: Wed, 03/29/2017 - 11:17pm #1094751

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Markannen is a stretch 4 through and through. He is not guarding any wings on the next level. Theoretically he would work very well next to Noel as they kind of mask each other’s weaknesses and would give the Mavs a nice duo of bigs that could grow together. Even with the Mavs picking around 10th they are in a decent position. If any of the top 5 PG’s drop to them I think they would fit and Markannen and TJ Leaf would also fit nicely.

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Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 2:12am #1094757

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Dallas have both their 4 (Barnes) and 5(Noel) for the post Dirk era, and Dirk is likely not retiring.
It should not even be a question if Ntilikina is still available (very unlikely though).

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Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 3:53am #1094766

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If Dallas does wind up with markannen, the Dirk comparisons will create an almost impossible standard for him to live up to. I almost hope, for his sake, he doesn’t go there.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 5:27am #1094774

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If Frank is not available then they need a backup center for rebounding. Dallas is dead last in rebounding at 45 RPG, 29th are the Bucks at 48 RPG, then Pacers at 49 RPG.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 5:35am #1094775

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A lot depends on how Dallas with Yogi since they gave him a run in the team and of course where they pick. If they were picking at 9 and all 5 PGs and Monk had already gone then they may consider themselves unlucky.
If it was a choice between the two players mentioned then I’d take Ntilikina every time. As said above if Dallas see Barnes and Noel as their long term frontcourt, they may be reluctant to use a good pick on a guy who would likely be a back up to them.
As Dallas haven’t drafted this high for many years, it will be interesting to see what they do. In 2013 they were late lottery and passed on Dieng, Schroder and of course Giannis so they will want to get it right this time. I think they will be keeping a very close eye on who is going where and if someone starts to fall within their range, I could see them looking to move up very quickly to nab him. I’m talking moving from say 11th/10th to 7/8th type move.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 6:40am #1094779

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See I feel like alot of people generalize Markannens game without knowing much about him. It seems as if they see a tall white guy that can shoot and isnt Porzingis so they automatically group him with Kaminsky, Bargnani and Anderson. Hes way more unique.
As far as him being slow for a 7 foot power forward you guys are crazy if you believe that. His best skill other than his offensive abillity would likely be how quickly he can move his feet for his size and how good his footwork is. On a team like Dallas where the coach actually teaches defense I think Markannen would be a great defender in the pick and roll because of his abillity to show on the ball handler and recover. Where his defensive weakness lies is in the post. He has been exposed down low do to lack of strength and lower body thickness which is unlikely to change even if he adds weight but its not due to a lack of fundimentals or effort. He makes people work for thier buckets which is more than you can expect from most guys in the NBA today and he is a tough kid that doesnt back down despite any size or strwngth advantages his opponents might have.
Theres really nobody in the league like him and this maybe another forced comparison but he kind of reminds me of what Kelly Olynyk would have been if Olynyk was a bit more athletic. Such a smart player with so much skill.

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- Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 4:20pm #1094808
  
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  How do you see him comparing to Davis Bertans?
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  - Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 9:27pm #1094812
    
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    Thats a tough one for me because Bertans is one of those guys where it seems everytime Ive seen him play he was amazing. Same thing with Mcdermott.
    Personally I think Bertans is more athletic. His game is much more focused on addressing a certain role so its hard to ssay what he hasnt shown. All he really is expected to do offensively is shoot threes and attack closeouts. He cant gaurd the post at all.
    Markannen is two or three inches taller and about the same weight but should fill out a bit more. Theres alot more Markannen has then Bertans. His pull up jumper, post moves, potential to gaurd the post and play Center when he gets stronger. Bertans has no midrange or post gane. Also a more creative player in terms of getting his shot off and ball handling.
    Markannen isnt just a three point shooter I cant stress this enough. If another big takes his space away on the 3 point line he can take one quick dribble and pull up for an uncontested J like a wing. If you put a smaller guy on him hes butter chicken in the post. He also has great footwork and is a smart cutter or roller.
    Im pretty high on Markannen though. I jist feel like the concerns on him defensively arent really an issue. You dont need to be superquick to gaurd PFs because they dont move quick with the ball. Even Draymond Green doesnt move quick with the ball. You just gotta move your feet and hes shown he can. In the post he tries hard and isnt scared of physicality. Hes fundamentally sound just needs to bulk up. This draft has very good players throughout the lottery so I dont mind when people expect him yo go 10th-12th but I believe he will be more than a role player. More like a key 3rd option with a great +/- and PER.
    
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    - Posted on: Fri, 03/31/2017 - 5:26am #1094825
      
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      I like it. Only reason I asked is because Bertans got some "young Dirk" comps when he was coming up. I pretty much agree with you that his skill set, especially his shooting stroke is what the NBA is all about.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 11:17am #1094795

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I think we have zero chance on Fultz/Ball/JJ/Fox
Very unlikely with Tatum/Isaac/Denis but if one of them was available even via reasonable trade we should do take him.
After those I hope to get either Bridges or Monk could fit well in Coach RC system as undersized SG who can hit jumpers like Jet used too (Jet was probably much better player than Monk will be IMHO) and I am huge fan of Bridges
If it came down to Markannen or Ntilikina I would go for former
Ntilikina ball handling is something that make me doubter,I am starting to think he will be a 3&D SG rather than a future starting PG
Lauri would fit the system nicely IMHO,he is better rebounder than Barnes at PF and even if he just became a stretch 3 this will fit Barnes and Noel game IMO
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/30/2017 - 12:29pm #1094799
  
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  I am wondering… What do you think of Ntilikina as a 3&D SG? Because personally I think he seems pretty elite and perhaps more than at PG actually. I view him as a better SG prospect than Malik Monk. The guy is 6’6" 7’0" wingspan with vision and playmaking good enough to be labelled PG and is best strengths are the 3 and perimeter defense.
  Dallas could certainly use him at that position also.
  
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Posted on: Fri, 03/31/2017 - 1:22am #1094817

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Well,we can always use 3&D SG for sure,but isn’t that what Wesley Matthews for? And while there 12 years difference I am not sure that is really what we need,may be if the Mavs thought Lauri is gonna be bust then they will take Ntilikina over him. But overall I think we have bigger room for Lauri for the moment,for the future and for bigger chance to develop as a Mavs
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- Posted on: Fri, 03/31/2017 - 2:05am #1094818
  
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  Matthews plays SF a lot right now. Most common lineups are with him, Yogi and Seth Curry currently, and before he played a lot with Williams-Curry lineups as well.
  Oh, and Ntilikina’s measurements should also be good enough to play SF.
  I understand your point but imo it’s way more concerning for Markannen. Who should be behind Noel/Dirk at the 5 and Barnes/Dirk at the 4 next season. Dallas has a much more crowded frontcourt than backcourt.
  
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Posted on: Fri, 03/31/2017 - 6:26am #1094832

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Minnesota are winning and Dallas are tanking so they will prob get the 8th pick.
With 5 good PG available, you would have to think they would take a PG. Whether that is Smith of Franky N who knows…
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