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D-League vs Overseas

One question I always wanted the answer to is Why would a player choose to play in the D-league instead of playing overseas? I have heard that D-league salary is in the upper 20's to low 30 thousand dollars.When most players that are above average get six figures offers when they cross that water. So what I would like to know is why would someone pick the D league instead of Overseas? Also would any of you people take the lower money to stay in the states?


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If I was someone like Greg

If I was someone like Greg Ostertag and I already made a great living playing in the NBA and I wanted to still play Pro I'd go to the D League.

If I was a guy close to being an NBA player, just needed a tiny bit more development to get there someone like a Manny Harris I'd go to the D League as well.

But if I'm someone like Eric Devendorf I really have no position and im not ultra athletic but I had a great college career at a big time school I'd go overseas.

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dude one question to ask is

dude one question to ask is if ostertag played in the d-league because he needed the money. i mean he's from dallas and didn't want to sell his house so instead he decided to suit up for a d-league team to make money to pay his bills. plus his kids are in school and he didn't want to ship them off to timbuktoo for school. i think the transition is a lot easier. ostertag could've made more money overseas but it was worth the cost to stay put where he didn't have to sell his house or pay rent for a new place, didn't have to move his family to a foreign city, and didn't even have to worry about learning a new language. ostertag made a wise decision to stay put. he chose to return to play ball because he needed the money. let's be honest, he didn't really like basketball when he played, but he made a butt load of money. since then, the only reason he returned to the sport he doesn't like is because he was desperate for the money.

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Some players don't like

Some players don't like living overseas. They prefer to play closer to friends and family. Also, the D-League allows players to get called up by an NBA team during the regular season (unlike somewhere overseas where the player is contractually obligated to play for the team during the season). The player most likely thinks he has a good shot at being called up by an NBA teams (ex: Gaines) and is ready to reap that opportunity by playing for a D-League team.

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True, but some guys go to the D-League and they don't have a chance to make an NBA team, but if your that high caliber of player to where you are in the D-League getting decent minutes, chances are there is a nice contract in the 6 figure range waiting for you across the water as opposed to the 30,000 dollars in the D-League.

And another thing people don't know about the D-League not everyone get's 30,000 dollars there are 3 different type of contracts in the D-League(A,B,C)

A(30,000):This is for guys who have already made it in the NBA, or guys that NBA players send down to get development.

B(25,000): This is guys who get drafted to the D-League from college.

C(15,000-20,000). This is the guys who make it in open tryouts.

But the killer part about contrac C is not many guys make it in open tryouts, the D-League roster holds 12 spots, most teams bring 4-5 guys back from the previous year, then they get 2 to 3 guys in the draft, then they HAVE to hold roster spots for the NBA players that might have to come down and develop, so they might bring in ONE guy from the tryouts out of the hundred who tryout.

It's alot people don't know about D-League it's damn near like making the NBA, just not as talented,but far as making it, it's just as tough.

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Basically from what you guys

Basically from what you guys are saying I have came to the conclusion that crossing water might be the better option.Even if living overseas may feel funny at first.Your getting a nice check to do what you love at the end of the day.

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risks

there are also the risks of not even gettin paid overseas i remeber years ago when nique went overseas and the team didnt pay him for months and ive heard about other players saying the same thing plus theres always the family factor if a player has a family do they really wanna up and move their family overseas imo i wouldnt

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I'd go to the D-League

I'd go to the D-League

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Crossing the water might be the better option IF your not getting looks from NBA teams, as I said earlier if your an small adjustment away and NBA teams are checking for you, of course go to the D-League if your ultimate goal is to play in the NBA. But you don't necesarily have to go to the D-League to get to the NBA, look at Jeremy Pargo, I thought he was for sure going to be in the NBA after his career at Gonzaga, but he went overseas took care of buisness and now he's getting rewarded, another guy Bo McCalebb is destroying overseas and the NBA is calling him after he couldn't get a look from a team when he came out of college.

Point is if your good enough the NBA will come calling no matter, where you are, but if your had a great career in college but just not good enough for the NBA, why not go overseas have a good career, get paid and when you come back home and retire you can live it up just like and NBA player?

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There were 60 D-League

There were 60 D-League call-ups in the shortened 2011-12 regular season. That's a pretty high number consiering there are only 16 teams and around 200 players. That's about a 30% chance of playing in the NBA if you're in the D-League. That's a dream come true for many of these guys, a forward step in their career and a 10 day contract in the NBA is usually about 25,000.

I also read an interview with Brady Morningstar, a former KU guard, who said after his first D-League season that he wanted to test his skills to see if he was good enough to compete in pro basketball. He knew he wasn't getting called up, but was encouraged by his progress and thought he might go to Europe in the future. In other words, it's a good place to start if you're not a high profile prospect.

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True but 16 of those callups were guys who already had been in the L before, so now were down to 44, which I stated earlier these guys already have a great chance at getting back to the L.

Now Jamario Moon(1st call up but already been NBA player), Jerome Dyson, Keith Benson(Drafted), Edwin Ubiles, Bobby Simmons, Lance Thomas,Ish Smith, Courtney Fortson, Jamaal Tinsley(Already NBA player) were guys who the NBA were checking for and had good chances of getting there which I already stated.

I'm not discounting the fact that guys are getting called up but honestly they are guys already on NBA radars, or just need a tiny adjustment which I stated earlier as well.

But guys like JamesOn Curry who has been tearing the D-League up for the past couple of years, has no chance of making it to the NBA, because he's not super athletic and he has no true position, guys like him need to bite the bullet and just get paid overseas and get their money.

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Yeah, I guess it's a personal

Yeah, I guess it's a personal choice. Curry has played overseas and probably got paid more money. It might end up coming down to earning a nice nest egg and coming home and playing close to your family. Guys like Curry too, who have played in the NBA at times in their careers, probably still hold out hope despite out analysis ( I agree with yours).

Jamal Tinsley isn't hurting for money, most likely, and as a 30 something playing for the D-League in hope of getting called up might outweigh making 200,000 in Italy.

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Exactlythat's why I said guys

Exactlythat's why I said guys like Greg Ostertag arent hurting for money so they can go to the D-League and hope that maybe a team that just wants a vet around will call them up, as opposed to going to another country to play for money, when they don't really need it.

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Yeah, that's why I'm

Yeah, that's why I'm personally a fan of the D-League. It's just another option, for NBA teams and their development of their players and for guys trying to make it in the league.

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The thing is some of the

The thing is some of the players are close to making the NBA so they play in the D leauge. As far as those not close , I don't know anymore since even those who don't seem like NBA players end up making it like Lance Thomas so just about all the players have a chance to make it as long they can specialize in one thing.

Also many players just can't cut it overseas. It's a different ball game.

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Wanting to be closer to

Wanting to be closer to family... sometimes it's not all about the money but the love of the game and family...

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Culture shock is a major

Culture shock is a major factor overseas. Also, some of those leagues deal with corruption issues.

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Everybody has some pretty

Everybody has some pretty good answers. I appreciate everyones opinion. Culture shock is definitely a real issue some people cant deal with not being in America and eating what their used to eating. A movie called "Bound" showed all of this in deep detail.

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Language barrier

Language barrier is also another factor overseas. Most players don't speak Turkish, Italian, Chinese or Russian. It can be lonely being the only player on the team not being able to speak the native language. Plus a lot of cameraderie is lost when you can't even communicate with your teammates when away from the basketball court.

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lots of players want to

lots of players want to choose friends and family over basketball. some players don't like the food (rice and noodles all the time) or they feel out of place (being the only african-american in china). some would rather drive their car around than have to take the subway to work every day (imagine driving to practice in downtown bejiing - no thank you). Some players want to still fulfill their dream of playing in the nba and want to be called up by the d-league. in short, there are lots of different reasons why a player might choose the d-league over europe, even though the pay is much less.

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oops, i meant to write "over

oops, i meant to write "over money" not "over basketball". my badd lol.

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I think going oversees is

I think going oversees is better for player development, but not everyone's games here in the states fits there style of play, and a lot of players don't get accustomed to the culture and customs in other countries.

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overseas...

i think the player would be betteroff overseas, not only do you make better money but you playing agant good comp pretty much every night. plus its not aboutyou lnamel its more so about can you play or not. the d league pretty much have you just sitting on the bunch until a bthey demote a nba guy and your left out to dry. me personally id would rather play overseas like i have been...

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i once read an article that

i once read an article that says the The salary of player form the NBA send to the D-league retains, meaning if craig brackins is earning 500,000 it will still remain the same, and the one who would be paying it is the NBA team, plus he has better 24 hour access to the gym and 1st class airplane rides, plus a 500$ per dine and an upgraded hotel room,

what more would you like? while playing overseas, you have to find a place to live to, lets say are Josh Harrelson, you might get six figure contracts playing overseas, then you have to subtract you cost of living plus the long distance call your making,

it is much better in the D-league for once a team calls you up, and get a guaranteed contract?, $$$$

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1 Thing alot of people dont

1 Thing alot of people dont know about going overseas to play,is that those teams give their foreign players a free car,a free apartment and pay all of their utility bills, except the phone bills...

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i made a post about it a few months ago...

Alot of kids who had been told they were going to be a nba player since they were in 8th grade,and later became McDonald All Americans then became successful college players,but go undrafted, feel ashamed and like its a sign that they didnt make it,if they went to play overseas..No matter how much money they can make ..I made a thread about it a few months ago...

I remember reading where Keith Langford the former Kansas player saying he how he didnt feel comfortable going back to the Kansas campus becuz all he heard were people saying he was a loser,becuz he wasnt in the nba...But after getting in debt,he finally signed to play overseas,and really enjoys the lifestyle and the fact he can make more over there,then in the D-League or more than the 9th or 10th man on a nba team....

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Because you have to actually

Because you have to actually be able to produce to get a contract in Europe.

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Language barrier is also

Language barrier is also another factor overseas. Most players don't speak Turkish, Italian, Chinese or Russian. It can be lonely being the only player on the team not being able to speak the native language. Plus a lot of cameraderie is lost when you can't even communicate with your teammates when away from the basketball court.

I hate to burst your xenophobic American bubble, but the Turkish, Italian, and Russian leagues are all operated under the English language.

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It isn't that easy to get a

It isn't that easy to get a Overseas contract, but it pays a ton more.

A guy I played with PG who played in the CBA for a few years. It was tough. The pay was crap, you traveled by bus to games, you got something like $30 a day as a per diem for food and you were constantly eating McDonalds on the road, you stayed in Motel 6 when you got to the game. He did it for awhile, hurt his ankle again and again, while rehabbing his agent told him to to quit and go get a real job. He did and never looked back.

Euro leagues is way better. But those teams only have so many spots for foreigners and they want guys who can deliver right away in those spots.

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