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C.J Leslie

I feel bad for any team that drafts this kid. I've heard he can be a big time team killer and is very inconsistent with life in general.


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Where have you heard this? I

Where have you heard this? I don't recall anything negative been said about before (at least on this forum) and he's had quite a good season thus far. If he falls into the second round teams will be scrambling to draft him.

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He is a

He is a 6'8.5" 200lbs PF at this point. Excellent athleticism and quickness and is very inconsistent. Doesn't have a high basketball IQ considering his raw talent and upper classmen status either. I wouldn't draft him any higher than the 20's and being a fringe 1st rounder is what he is until he develops more SF skills and or gets bigger.

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What makes you say he doesn't

What makes you say he doesn't have a high BB IQ is it the efficiency at which he scores, or overall motor and hustle he plays with?

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Yeah, I dont know where you

Yeah, I dont know where you got that info either. I am a Raleigh native and privy to a lot of State info. (I am an engineer and do a lot of projects for NC State)

CJ's problem is, he is inconsistant. An enigma. Getting him to lock in every game is the issue. He is a late 1st rounder simply because he is more of a project. GM's will have to HOPE that he puts it together. If he gains weight and maintains that athleticism, he will be a pretty good guy for a lot of teams to bring off the bench.

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Kind of reminds me of a

Kind of reminds me of a Julian Wright/James Johnson type, but I don't think anyone's going to bite on him in the 1st round because he hasn't really improved much over his 3 years with the Wolfpack.

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He's shown very little

He's shown very little improvement skill wise, understanding of the game and physically in 3 yrs. There could be some work ethic issues with this kid.
I'm not sure why anyone would draft him in the first round.

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I'm a hug NC State fan and

I'm a hug NC State fan and I've watched Leslie at least 60 times over the last three years.

He's a junior by class but everyone has to remember that during his first season he had Sidney "I can't coach college players" Lowe as his head coach. There was not a coach in college sports that got less out of his players than Lowe did.

Mark Gottfired is the one of turned things around for Leslie. Inconsistency is an issue at times and so is strength. He has that Josh Smith mentality at times and tries to do things that he just doesn't have the skill set to do.

He's a late first rounder with a lot of upside if he can work on his handles and improve on his jumper but as for the OP's comments about him being a "team killer," that's just not true.

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I feel like

CJ Leslie is the next Shawn Marion munis the all star appearances. He's super athletic and basically lives on floaters and dunks. Like Marion I don't think he has a real position and plays best when the team is out and running.

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Shawn Marion

Shawn Marion also played defense unlike Leslie. Leslie gives an illusion he plays defense because he makes the highlight reel blocks ala Josh Smith. But is often out of position defensively and sometimes gives up points because he is playing strictly for a steal or block.

Marion also was shorter by 2 inches and had a strength advantage/25lbs on Leslie. Marion also was essentially a 20 and 10 plus 2stl and 2blk guy his one year in college. CJ Leslie isn't even that as a Jr! Would he be best used in a run and gun fast breaking system? Most definately but I see Hakim Warrick/Stromile Swift as a more reasonable expectation for Leslie rather than Shawn Marion.

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Warrick

Warrick was FAR more skilled offensively than Leslie at this point...remember, Warrick was a 20 and 9 guy as a junior in the Big East. I think Stro Swift is a better comparison...maybe Tyrus Thomas with lesser defense

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Warrick

Warrick was FAR more skilled offensively than Leslie at this point...remember, Warrick was a 20 and 9 guy as a junior in the Big East. I think Stro Swift is a better comparison...maybe Tyrus Thomas with lesser defense

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Tyrus Thomas

Tyrus Thomas is spot on! Only difference is Leslie was highly regarded as a prep players and Thomas was not.

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whoa whoa whoa....to compare

whoa whoa whoa....to compare Warrick to Leslie based on stats is way off base. Leslie at another school could easily average 20 and 9. So to compare numbers at the same stage in totally different scenario is very shallow. Although he is viewed as the main guy....Leslie plays with 3 other guys that have scored over 1000 points for their career....something that Warrick never did, so that comparison is not even valid. Brown, Howell, or Wood could average more points on another team, but they have to share the offense, that is why its more balanced, not because Leslie cant avg 20ppg. I am not super high on Leslie's NBA potential but you cant fully assess him by how he looks at NC State either.

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Leslie is the leading scorer

Leslie is the leading scorer on a team that has 4 other double figure scorers and Rodney Purvis avgs 9ppg. (Purvis would avg double figures damn near at any other school) Although he is still not the most refined offensive player, not averaging 20ppg on a team that has good scorers is hardly an indictment of his of ability.

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Leslie's teammates aren't the

Leslie's teammates aren't the problem. Lorenzo Brown makes everyone around him better. In the college game, it is a luxury to play with a point who drops 7 assists per and can manage the game. Every game, Leslie has a couple easy baskets that are a result of Brown setting him up. I don't think Leslie's scoring has anything to do with his teammates holding him back.

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I didnt say his teammates

I didnt say his teammates were holding him back. I definitely didnt say they were the "problem". Leslie gets a lot of points in the paint because he is lightning quick, whether facing or back to the basket. What I am saying is.... Leslie doesnt need to score 20ppg on that team, but just because he doesnt....that dont mean that he cant. Leslie is an unselfish player, sometimes too unselfish. He doesnt have a total feel for the game so sometimes he forces passes. Sometimes he gets timid on offense. To knock him because he avgs 15ppg on a team that has 3 other 1000 pt scorers and two big time freshman scorers is just way off base. If he were on Wake Forest's team you dont think he could avg another 5ppg? come on.

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Yeah, but you could say that

Yeah, but you could say that about anyone dropping 15 ppg for a better team, I'm not saying he can't but it's not exactly like that makes him better than he is. Same way Kevin Martin dropped 24 for the Kings and 17 for the Thunder. I agree, whoever was knocking him for dropping 15 was off base, but saying he could average more for a worse team doesn't make him that unique. I personally really like Lorenzo Brown, I think he's one of those pg's who makes his teammates better. Eric Green would probably be averaging about 14 if he played for Kansas or Indiana.

Anyways, I think I misunderstood your original tone. I don't think we are really disagreeing.

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I see more Dairus Miles....

I see more Dairus Miles....

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Peanuts for brains. Cost his team down the stretch, yet again.

Think in the final minutes he had 2 turnovers, 1-4 from the free throw line, and 0 baskets, even though they kept going to him. He would blatantly travel then &$#%#&@! about the call.

NC State: Where celebrating pre-season accolades means more than post-season accolades.

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Fan ejected

And now it's getting out that the NCSU fan who was ejected late in the game for throwing something on the floor was actually aiming at CJ.

LOL

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