There is however 1 thing bad with the article, he said if he's unable to sign in New York he'll go to the Clippers, he just needs to say its New York for me New York, New York, New York anyway I think it happens soon
I really hope he doesn't go to NY would much rather see him and BG team up and catch oops all day, I'm really not trying to see the whole eastern all star team on 3 seperate teams, it's just disgusting to me...
I'm not hating at all on NY either, I remember last year KD said on twitter "Now everybody want to play for the Heat and Lakers? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!" That can be said for NY too now, but aside from NY fans who is really going to be happy about seeing three top 10 guys on the same team, I'm not.
here we go again... after melo stoud, james bosh.
Now paul and howard : so why this shameful lockout occured to end in the same situation ?
Honestly guys who wants to play for losers, if OKC was as bad as Charlotte KD wouldnt want to stay there, they built their team by drafting well, not every team is the position to have 4 top 5 picks in 3 straight years(07- Durant and Green, 08- Westbrook, 09- Harden) and hit on all of them. Then draft a great defensive PF late in Ibaka.
Anthony, Paul and Stoudemire all have gotten close to the prize, STAT lost in the WCF, Melo lost in the WCF, CP3 almost got to the WCF
Also its not as if OKC doesnt have a big 3 maybe even 4, Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka are going to control the West for years to come, we know the Magic wont trade D12 to the Lakers so the only way he plays in LA is for the Clippers and he said he doesnt wanna play for them, maybe he goes to the Kings when they move to either LA/Anaheim or Las Vegas I think he'd play with them or he might just go to Boston and start a new big 3 with Rondo and Green.
Deron Williams is stuck between a rock and a hard place, nobody wants to play for the Nets, Chicago, Miami, New York and potentially Boston are going to get better, I doubt Dallas can acquire him and as I said the Lakers are in cap hell as far as getting a legit All-Star via Free Agency
Nonetheless, other small markets should take after OKC and get young studs and let them build these friendships and allow them to grow together then you dont have to worry about losing your guys since they'll be winning and growing together and wanting to stay together
CP3 on the Clippers alongside Blake Griffin would make them a play off lock for years to come. If NY do have cap space then they can chase him like any other team and if he did go to them again the Garden would be electric with him STAT and Melo.
What NY do with their PG slot remains to be seen as Billups could be extended, they may try for D-Will or CP3 or perhaps even Nash and then try for another major FA if Nash would take MLE or less.
Phoenix if Nash moves on may have a PG slot depending on if Brooks comes back from China and how he pans out so maybe a big name PG goes there.
If Kidd does retire after this year then Dallas would no doubt be looking for a top PG but any moves for D-Will or CP3 would have to be sign and trades.
IMO, they should have introduced the franchise tag. With star players teaming up it makes the NBA:
- less competitive - big 3 vs. another big 3, ex: LBJ, Bosh, Wade vs DeRozan, Bargnani, Calderon
- less interesting - why would you want to watch the NBA when you know the Heat, Knicks, Clippers, Lakers or Mavs will win a championship
- by having a franchise tag, it helps small market teams be competitive and with a balance on each team, it makes players work harder to earn and win a championship
- Remember back in the day having all those rivalries? It made the NBA interesting! MJ vs. the Jazz etc.
Its not fair to the players imagine CP3 being tagged and stuck in New Orleans all his career, these guys want to win we complain when guys take huge contracts and stay with their teams(Joe Johnson) but when a guy who wont do it for the money and wants to win wants to move it ruins competition(Chris Paul), honestly look at Football every year there is a team or 2 who comes out of nowhere and exceeds expectations(Bengals, Lions and 49ers) but the main teams still are on top(Saints, Patriots, Packers, Ravens, Steelers, Jets) the owners suck at building teams in basketball its that simple and at the end of the day guys want to win, you cant be mad if a player chooses where he wants to play and do his job, no one complains about where you work at
LAC's first priority is to sign Dwight Howard...
Howard and Griffin would be the best combo since Robinson and Duncan.
Howard and Griffin are good but Duncan is on a whole other level than Griffin as far as skillset goes, Blake is a highlight reel and needs to acquire some post moves, a jumper rather alley hoops and put backs, anyway Howard wont go to the Clippers because Sterling is a cheap &$#%#&@! who will pay D12 and Blake and not key role guys also I got a feeling when Boozer's contract expires in Chicago, Eric Gordon will make his way to Chicago
as a die hard knicks fan, i would love to see paul in a knicks uniform. with that being said, i do see where some of you guys dont like having all stars teaming up with eachother. and i somewhat agree. but if you think about it, the bad teams will always be in the lottery building up there team. so in the future there team will also be good and competitive.
You mentioned how in the NFL there are two or three teams that come out of no where and exceed expectations but in the NBA it is hard to come across that. For example, a few years ago the Warriors' team that beat the Mavericks was amazing, it came out of no where, no one really expected it considering Dallas' success, but they the Warriors did end up losing to the Jazz in the 2nd round.
With that being said, imagine a league where more teams are competitive and no one knows who will except for the five teams that people know one of them are going to win. With what you said about Chris Paul, don't you think he should be grateful about the Hornets' giving him a change in the league (yes I know he has been with the Hornets' for six years) but by having a franchise tag, I think that player should have some input on what players to go after. With that kind of title, I do believe that player should have more of a role on the team, as opposed to just playing on the court all the time.
Am I the only one who wishes Paul would just stay in New Orleans? With the lockout resolved maybe the NBA can find itself a buyer for the team who will inject money into the franchise and give the Hornets a chance to win. Would just be too strange seeing CP3 in another uniform.
I know it's a bit of a pipe dream for him to stick around, but worst case scenario is New York for me. I love watching great matchups in the NBA, where one star is driving his team to beat the other's. Doesn't work so well when the stars are all on the same team.
the issue is rather simple : the team drafting young potential kids, take the risk to make some mistakes (that's the game afterall), put some time developping them and after that, when it's time to get the reward from the player, to bring his team to the next level...
nothing happens... the player will decide to leave (the effortless decision) and team up with another (self)proclaimed star instead of struggling some years to become stronger (too hard ???). (that is an issue in professional soccer business leading to specialization : a franchise for training, one for scouting....and always the same winning)
finally players don't really progress with that kind of behaviour and nba is less competitive, cause it is always the same teams at the end of the day. That's the saddest side of the new cba : apparently nothing really change.
It's only about economics : concentration of talented players in several competitive organization bringing oligopoly positions and so false competition.
If Paul reaches UFA he's signing with NY, it's pretty much a given. With the Hornets currently being controlled by the NBA they really can't trade him because it just looks bad having the league dictate where one of it's star players goes. I read earlier the league doesn't want to deal with the PR nightmare it would face if Paul was traded while they're running the organization. So unless someone steps up & buys the franchise in the next 2 months(not very likely) then he's gonna have free reign to go where he pleases next summer.
Dwight's situation is a bit different as Otis Smith has made it known he doesn't feel comfortable just letting D12 just walk for nothing and would likely trade him if he doesn't feel they can keep him. The most enticing destination for him to be traded is the Clippers, as they have the young assets(Gordon, Jordan, Aminu, Bledsoe) expiring contract(Kaman) and high draft pick(MIN unprotected 1st rounder) in this upcoming deep draft. Dwight & Blake would be a force on the glass and would live at the FT line on the offensive end. The Lakers rumors don't really make much sense from Orlando's end because LA has 0 young talent to offer back and Bynum or Gasol won't have nearly the effect Dwight does on both ends of the floor being the main focal point of a team. If Dwight does somehow reach free agency next summer...don't discount the possibility of him teaming up with D-Will for the Brooklyn Nets. They'd have the cap space to sign him outright and still keep their players, they have another star in D-Will who likes feeding his big men and can take over late in games, they have the best shooter in the league in Morrow who would punish teams for doubling either guy, Lopez could move to PF or be traded, and they have just drafted a talented young scorer in Brooks. They will be opening a brand new arena in a the big market Dwight is said to crave and have an owner with deep pockets who isn't afraid to spend.
No way Orl would take bynum for howard, but interesting they are willing to move both
Yeah thats a Laker pipe dream it just aint happening
the Clippers could offer every thing but Griffin but I'd be reluctant to give up Gordon
Clippers get- Dwight Howard
Magic get- Deandre Jordan, Al-Farouq Aminu, 2012 Minnesota 1st, 2013 Clippers 1st, 2015 Clippers 1st, 2 2nd rounders, 3mil cash
Thats a legit Center, potentiall packed young SF, a sure fire top 4 pick and 2 more 1st, 2 2nd's as kickers and some extra cash to play with, either this or the Clippers sign him in the off-season and draft Harrison Barnes
Howard-Griffin-Barnes-Gordon-Bledsoe would trump OKC in my opinion
Griffin will never match Duncan's impact defensively, but I think he can become a better offensive player and maybe even a better rebounder.
The Clippers ARE NEVER GOING TO SIGN A FREE AGENT WITH THE SIZE AND STATURE OF DWIGHT HOWARD....
You made The Clippers offer sound like it was the greatest the world as ever seen
DeAndre Jordan(a carreer backup C so far, and an average one at that, one that will command a 7 to 8 miilion $ salary for blocking a few shots next to Blake Griffin)...He's not a legit Center by any standards...WOW
Al Faarooq Aminu(again this guy has done jack shyt and had maybe a handful of games to suggest that he's any thing more than a solid Sf/Pf in your rotation)...This guy isn't a top tier prospect, sorry try again...
Then you threw out a slew of picks(none of which have any value at this moment in time, and the Wolves pick will not be a sure fire Top 4 pick this year, they will improve a ton this season under Coach Rick Adelman...
If I were to revise that trade to an acceptable level, It would look like this...
Eric Bledsoe/Eric Gordon/Al Faaroq Aminu/Chris Kaman/De'Andre Jordan/Wolves 2012 Draft pick/Clipper's 2012 draft pick for Dwight Howard and Earl Clark...I would never make such an offer to a guy That as openly said he doesn't want to play For The Clippers...But If you are going to throw out Wild "Sheen Like" scenario's you may want to at least get a view of the other side of that Ridiculous Trade Offer...
The Knicks would'nt trade Amare for Aminu/Jordan and those Draft picks unless it involved geeting Gordon as well...why would the Magic accept that offer for Howard????
Again I'll wait for some one to reply with busted Logic....
but robinson as duncan (from his first day) were two very high skilled bigmen (defensive skills, offensive moves) with astonished bball IQ (and I'm not a spurs fan).
dwight as blake are both athletic freaks but with limited skills. They are very efficient in different teams but they will hamper in the paint. bad idea. I'd rather see him in the same paint of a stretch 4 "à la bargnani".
I agree that the NBA would be reluctant to trade CP3 from NOH but if David West moves on then the team is perhaps a late lottery or early exit play off team with CP3 this season. But if he moves on via FA then the team would be in freefall during the 2012-13 season and perhaps miss out on getting assets via a CP3 trade and a higher pick in the 2012 draft.
The NBA no doubt hope that they can find a buyer for the team but any new owner coming in and trading CP3 would not go down well with the NOH fans, so either way I can see CP3 seeing out a full seaon at NOH.
Griffin has more offensive skills than people realize... And his jumpshot is a lot better than people think too. Post moves, he could still gain a few, but he already has a couple of go-to moves in the post. You can run an offense through him. And it wouldn't be insane to at least argue that Griffin could be the best passer at his position already. He can play both the low and high post. To think the two wouldn't work is foolish.
I didn't write they'd be better than Robinson and Duncan... Said they'd be the best big man combo since Robinson and Duncan.
People have a problem with that around here...
Who would fill out the Clippers roster if they make a trade for Howard???
we can all agree the Magic wouldn't accept an offer unless it involved Gordon/Aminu/Bledoe and Kaman plus the Wolves unprotected Draft pick(people stop adding the Clippers pick because it belongs to The Celtics)
So after they gut the Team, who will play alongside Griffin and Howard??? And how does that lineup stack up to any other "Contender" in the NBA...It looks incredibly Improbable to see a lineup of Mo Williams,Randy Foye,Tayshaun Prince(let's Imagine he signs for the full MLE) Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard get the 8th seed out west...
The Magic aren't taken any thing sort of The Clippers core of Bledsoe/Gordon/Aminu and perhaps even Jordan to part with Howard, they'll also want the Wolves pick and Kaman's contract to make the deal official...
who pulls the trigger on that deal, even if you can pair 2 of the best finishers in the NBA...???
lol @scarecrow...The Clippers have plenty of options to improve their team and have the resources to get any one player that becomes available. If the Magic are crazy enough to demand Kaman, Gordon, the Minnesota pick, Aminu, and Bledsoe for Dwight, the Clippers would not be dumb enough to accept. The problem with your argument is that if Dwight makes it clear he is leaving, the Magic will trade him for what they think is the best package. However, if they know that Dwight won't resign with them in the offseason, they won't have the luxury of asking for the world from teams in exchange for Dwight. The Magic will have to settle for the best offer from amongst the teams going after him and would therefore probably accept an offer from the Clippers that contains either Gordon or the pick, and others, BUT NOT both Gordon and the pick because they won't have the leverage to ask for that much. That's especially true considering that no team can offer a better package then let's say: the Minnesota Pick, Kaman, Aminu, and Bledsoe.
@Charlie Sheen "who wants to play for a loser?" Uhhhhh well apparently Carmello Anthony, Lebron James, amare Stoudamire and Chris Bosh. These teams were far from title contenders before they arrived there. Did you forget how god awful these teams were before they received these guys? Do you remember the god awful management the Knicks were under for the last decade, oh and yes the team that was put around Dwyane Wade after Shaq left? I seriously never understand these arguments about how teams like the Magic or the Cavs never brought talent to put around these guys so it makes sense for them to leave. That is not the case at all, these teams brought in as much talent as they possibly could to their market, the simple fact of the matter is that they didn't have the luxury of 2 All-stars dropping in their lap, and 3 best friends saying "hey lets get together and play for a chamionship in Miami".
The Knicks have the benefit of being in NEW YORK...Those cases are not remotely close to this one....Paul/Melo and Amare are friends and will be teamates at some point...they could turn around That Franchise(Amare and Melo did already)...I'm not saying formula for success is going to work out to provide NY a Championship, but they have a shot...
"lol @scarecrow...The Clippers have plenty of options to improve their team and have the resources to get any one player that becomes available. If the Magic are crazy enough to demand Kaman, Gordon, the Minnesota pick, Aminu, and Bledsoe for Dwight, the Clippers would not be dumb enough to accept. The problem with your argument is that if Dwight makes it clear he is leaving, the Magic will trade him for what they think is the best package. However, if they know that Dwight won't resign with them in the offseason, they won't have the luxury of asking for the world from teams in exchange for Dwight. The Magic will have to settle for the best offer from amongst the teams going after him and would therefore probably accept an offer from the Clippers that contains either Gordon or the pick, and others, BUT NOT both Gordon and the pick because they won't have the leverage to ask for that much. That's especially true considering that no team can offer a better package then let's say: the Minnesota Pick, Kaman, Aminu, and Bledsoe."
Swish. It's a breath of fresh air when I read the post of someone who has common sense...
Like the Magic will be in a position to be demanding things in return when Dwight will walk away for nothing next summer... Smh. Comparing the Knicks and Stoudemire to that of Howard and the Magic... Smh. The funny thing is he doesn't get why that doesn't make any sense.
The Magic aren't going to get back equal value... When teams trade superstars, they rarely ever get back equal value. They usually go for expiring contracts, high draft picks and young prospects.
Kaman, Jordan, Bledsoe, Aminu PLUS a very likely top five pick in a loaded draft is GREAT for a rebuilding team...
The only time I've seen a team not get worse after trading a star is the Denver Nuggets last year, and unfortuantly thier season is screwed due to the Chinese Basketball Association.
But really, the Nuggets got back a solid starting Point (Felton), an ever improving wing that can score, rebound, and defend, and hit the three (Chandler), Another great young guy that can also score well, hit hte three well, and has great length for his position(Gallinari, and a project center with great potential(Mozgov). All three of those guys averaged at least 15 players per game before being traded, and if you mix them with guys like Ty Lawon, JR Smith, Nene, and Kenyon Martin, and Aaron Afflalo, you have a very exciting offensive team that could be a contender if they were more potent on defense.
I don't think the Magic or Hornets will get what what the Nuggests got, so hopefully they can play well enough and have just enough success to convince either that they are headed in the right direction. But if I'm Paul or Dwight, I don't push for a trade publicly, I keep quiet, play my game, and they will probably take a deal if it's decent enough.