[[email protected]Participant]

New rumor is that Dallas and Cavs are in discussion of trading the #13 pick for #31 and #33.

The Cavs would obviously like the move because they would be in prime position to get a player that slips outside the top 10 and they need quality players to surround Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson, and who ever they draft #1.

Dallas is trying to move this pick so that it frees up cap space($1.65M and some change) that a 1st round pick would take up and allow them to make a major run at Dwight Howard. The second round picks also allow them the chance at 2 quality players who just slip the first round or potentially stash foreign players who will not come over this season.

There is also talk of the cavs eating Shawn Marion’s contract and getting #44 pick for the #19 pick, which fits the cavs want of a vet player and not having to many rookies.

The guy has been making very shrewd moves as GM of the Cavs.

He took on Baron Davis contract and got an unprotected lottery pick(turned out to be #1 Kyrie) for only Mo Williams.

Later he traded Ramon Session and “Bust” Christian Eyenga to the Lakers for Jason Kapono, Luke Walton, and there 2012 or later 1st round pick lottery protected (ended up #19 2013).

They also made a major steal by trading bench warmer big man Jon Leuer to Memphis for Josh Selby, Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington, and a future 1st round pick.

Sources:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4696123/sources-mavs-trying-to-trade-no-13-overall-pick

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2013/05/if-im-chris-grant-my-first-call-is-to-the-dallas-mavericks/

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=268&f=2144&t=11584893&p=5

[nick5354Participant]

He is being very proactive. He has been very clear that he will be very active in the off season so this is no surprise. I am loving these aggressive moves, really showing that he wants to make the Cavs as good as possible and not have what happened with Lebron James occur ever again (not surrounding him with the best talent he can).

[nick5354Participant]

He is being very proactive. He has been very clear that he will be very active in the off season so this is no surprise. I am loving these aggressive moves, really showing that he wants to make the Cavs as good as possible and not have what happened with Lebron James occur ever again (not surrounding him with the best talent he can).

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Any thoughts on who the Cavs might target at #13?

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Any thoughts on who the Cavs might target at #13?

[wrectorParticipant]

I was hoping the Cavs would nab Steven Adams at 19 before he skyrocketed in the combine. Maybe they could pull it off with the 13th pick, but I’ve seen some talk of him going top 10. I think he would a perfect project under the wings of Andy and Ilgauskas.

[wrectorParticipant]

I was hoping the Cavs would nab Steven Adams at 19 before he skyrocketed in the combine. Maybe they could pull it off with the 13th pick, but I’ve seen some talk of him going top 10. I think he would a perfect project under the wings of Andy and Ilgauskas.

[MikezParticipant]

I thought of 19 31 and 33 for 13 when i heard the mavs wanted out of the 13th spot, now I’m getting excited about taking otto porter 1 and alex len dropping to 13, OH MA GAWD I GOT THE TINGLES

irving, waiters, porter, thompson, len sounds like a scary lineup.

[MikezParticipant]

I thought of 19 31 and 33 for 13 when i heard the mavs wanted out of the 13th spot, now I’m getting excited about taking otto porter 1 and alex len dropping to 13, OH MA GAWD I GOT THE TINGLES

irving, waiters, porter, thompson, len sounds like a scary lineup.

[SkipHippoParticipant]

Len is cracking the top 6 on Draft Express now. But probably could get Steven Adams at 13. I think he actually has alot more potential then Len. As long as they don’t draft 206 rail thin injury prone Nerlen Noels they will be set.

[SkipHippoParticipant]

Len is cracking the top 6 on Draft Express now. But probably could get Steven Adams at 13. I think he actually has alot more potential then Len. As long as they don’t draft 206 rail thin injury prone Nerlen Noels they will be set.

[WITNESS2014Participant]

I would take B-Mac with first pick to complete the backcourt. With the 13th pick try to get Shabazz. Then with the 19th pick get bpa or some help in the front court.
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Then have Bazz, Waiters, Speights, Zeller, Ellington come off the bench.

Either way I think they can get a steal at 13 or 19.

[WITNESS2014Participant]

I would take B-Mac with first pick to complete the backcourt. With the 13th pick try to get Shabazz. Then with the 19th pick get bpa or some help in the front court.
Irving- bmac-gee-Thompson-varejao

Then have Bazz, Waiters, Speights, Zeller, Ellington come off the bench.

Either way I think they can get a steal at 13 or 19.

[TripleDoubleKingParticipant]

You draft Nerlens first. He won’t be ready until midway through the season in which all likely hood they will be in lottery again. And at 13 you take best available wing. If your saying there trading only 31 and 33, They still have a pick at 19. At 19 double up on big man. I’d take Jeff Whithey From Kansas at 19. With that roster most likely they will still end up with a top 10 pick. If they are lucky top 5. From there you can draft your franchise wing or scoring pf if available(Randle lol)

[TripleDoubleKingParticipant]

You draft Nerlens first. He won’t be ready until midway through the season in which all likely hood they will be in lottery again. And at 13 you take best available wing. If your saying there trading only 31 and 33, They still have a pick at 19. At 19 double up on big man. I’d take Jeff Whithey From Kansas at 19. With that roster most likely they will still end up with a top 10 pick. If they are lucky top 5. From there you can draft your franchise wing or scoring pf if available(Randle lol)

[tli232]

Assuming that the Cavs go with Noel #1 overall, Kelly Olynyk would be a great change-of-pace big off the bench for them considering they’d have Noel and Thompson soaking up most of the minutes. Neither Noel nor Thompson have a refined post/ mid range game yet. Putting Olynyk on the court with one of those two would provide great spacing on offense to Irving-Thompson/ Irving-Noel pick and rolls.

If they had both picks, I’d say they make a run at Olynyk probably wiht the 19th pick.

[wrectorParticipant]

They already have Zeller who can run and spread the floor, it would be kind of redundant to draft Kelly Olynyk.

[wrectorParticipant]

They already have Zeller who can run and spread the floor, it would be kind of redundant to draft Kelly Olynyk.

[tli232]

Assuming that the Cavs go with Noel #1 overall, Kelly Olynyk would be a great change-of-pace big off the bench for them considering they’d have Noel and Thompson soaking up most of the minutes. Neither Noel nor Thompson have a refined post/ mid range game yet. Putting Olynyk on the court with one of those two would provide great spacing on offense to Irving-Thompson/ Irving-Noel pick and rolls.

If they had both picks, I’d say they make a run at Olynyk probably wiht the 19th pick.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Are people forgetting about Tyler Zeller being on the Cavs roster? There’s no way they should take two bigs with their first two picks. Also Andy V was playing exceptionally well last year before he got hurt.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

varajao is probably one of the most overpaid players in the league too.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

varajao is probably one of the most overpaid players in the league too.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Are people forgetting about Tyler Zeller being on the Cavs roster? There’s no way they should take two bigs with their first two picks. Also Andy V was playing exceptionally well last year before he got hurt.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

leuer is decent, but not even as good as speights. that truly was a steal.

as far as the baron davis thing, chris grant (or should i say dan gilbert…..) took a HUGE risk with that baron davis trade, that was before they had an amnesty (lockout refresh) and their cap hold was pretty big (like 10 million over the cap, 69 million, right after they lost lebron). that was a HUGE gamble that luckily payed off..

[hbomb3300Participant]

That wasn’t a gamble at all. Davis only had 1 more year on his contract than Mo Williams and we got a lottery 1st round pick out of it… easy trade for a team with an owner that has tons of money and not even thinking about the playoffs.

[hbomb3300Participant]

That wasn’t a gamble at all. Davis only had 1 more year on his contract than Mo Williams and we got a lottery 1st round pick out of it… easy trade for a team with an owner that has tons of money and not even thinking about the playoffs.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

leuer is decent, but not even as good as speights. that truly was a steal.

as far as the baron davis thing, chris grant (or should i say dan gilbert…..) took a HUGE risk with that baron davis trade, that was before they had an amnesty (lockout refresh) and their cap hold was pretty big (like 10 million over the cap, 69 million, right after they lost lebron). that was a HUGE gamble that luckily payed off..

[r377Participant]

They could also trade andy V to OKC for their 12th pick !!!

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

Or to Portland for the 10th.

[andyV17Participant]

I don’t think they want to have 4 draft picks on the roster, though I would love it.

[andyV17Participant]

I don’t think they want to have 4 draft picks on the roster, though I would love it.

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

Or to Portland for the 10th.

[r377Participant]

They could also trade andy V to OKC for their 12th pick !!!

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

I love the idea of getting the 13th pick. We could offer 31, 33 and 3 million dollars, maybe even a future one. This would open the Cav’s options so much in terms of who you could draft with the No.1.

The idea of getting Marion is even better, it gives the Cav’s a place holder at the three, Marion is a vet that could help with a playoff push who allows the Cav’s financial flexibility after the season. He has a player option for next year at 9 million and he is definitely going to exercise it. With Marion out the way the Mav’s could make a play for Howard and Paul or Howard and Smith. A Howard, Smith, Nowitzki front line is very imposing. Paul is a hard sale and its very unlikely he moves but having Dirk and his boy Smith there could turn Howard closer to the Mav’s than Rockets if he leaves L.A. It gives Dallas some flexibility to if they don’t get a marquee guy. They could go after Jefferson or Pekovic.

I know Tony Snell is mocked for the Cav’s at 19 on .Nets big Board and after seeing him at the combine along the other tweener sg/sf, his stock will rise even more. I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked Snell with that 13th pick. I never saw him play during the season but he looks the part and could put on about 10 pounds and have the athletism of a lock down wing defender. His coach questioned his work ethic while being interviewed at the Combine so he has that going against him but he looks very Terrance Ross-ish/Mo Harkless-ish to me, which is a great mix.

Cav’s fans for the most part have learned to trust Chris Grant. Sometimes its unorthodox, like the last couple drafts but the dude is good. He puts the Cav’s in every trade discussion and only pulls the trigger if its a great deal, like the Memphis one.

Grant also mentioned how every draft has 9 to 15 quality NBA players in it and he doesn’t care about the overall density of the class just that his team gets one or two of those guys every draft.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

I love the idea of getting the 13th pick. We could offer 31, 33 and 3 million dollars, maybe even a future one. This would open the Cav’s options so much in terms of who you could draft with the No.1.

The idea of getting Marion is even better, it gives the Cav’s a place holder at the three, Marion is a vet that could help with a playoff push who allows the Cav’s financial flexibility after the season. He has a player option for next year at 9 million and he is definitely going to exercise it. With Marion out the way the Mav’s could make a play for Howard and Paul or Howard and Smith. A Howard, Smith, Nowitzki front line is very imposing. Paul is a hard sale and its very unlikely he moves but having Dirk and his boy Smith there could turn Howard closer to the Mav’s than Rockets if he leaves L.A. It gives Dallas some flexibility to if they don’t get a marquee guy. They could go after Jefferson or Pekovic.

I know Tony Snell is mocked for the Cav’s at 19 on .Nets big Board and after seeing him at the combine along the other tweener sg/sf, his stock will rise even more. I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked Snell with that 13th pick. I never saw him play during the season but he looks the part and could put on about 10 pounds and have the athletism of a lock down wing defender. His coach questioned his work ethic while being interviewed at the Combine so he has that going against him but he looks very Terrance Ross-ish/Mo Harkless-ish to me, which is a great mix.

Cav’s fans for the most part have learned to trust Chris Grant. Sometimes its unorthodox, like the last couple drafts but the dude is good. He puts the Cav’s in every trade discussion and only pulls the trigger if its a great deal, like the Memphis one.

Grant also mentioned how every draft has 9 to 15 quality NBA players in it and he doesn’t care about the overall density of the class just that his team gets one or two of those guys every draft.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

My biggest hope is he can work the Magic’s hand, if they trade up and give up like Harkless for the number one pick. Maybe they do it for control or so the Cav’s don’t pick there guy or trade it to a team that will pick the Magic’s preference. Its an unlikely swap but that would be ideal for me.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

My biggest hope is he can work the Magic’s hand, if they trade up and give up like Harkless for the number one pick. Maybe they do it for control or so the Cav’s don’t pick there guy or trade it to a team that will pick the Magic’s preference. Its an unlikely swap but that would be ideal for me.

[KHAM83Participant]

Remember rumors of Cleveland being interested in Aldridge, who I think would be a good fit. They’ll have more ammo to pursue him. IMO, I think they jump at adding a young vet to give this team a playoff push.

[KHAM83Participant]

Remember rumors of Cleveland being interested in Aldridge, who I think would be a good fit. They’ll have more ammo to pursue him. IMO, I think they jump at adding a young vet to give this team a playoff push.

[KHAM83Participant]

Dude! You’ve mislead us. This rumor has no basis. You’re first link is just the report that Dallas is looking to trade out, the other two are Cavs fans making up deals. I was thinking that Dallas could do much better. Yes they want to save cap space, but Ill think they’ll rather future first rounder(s) instead of 2 second rounders this year.

A team that could provide a future first rounder, plus take Marion’s contract will get Cuban’s ear, although Cleveland can do that themselves. If Im Dallas, I say give me 2014 unprotected for their 2013 #13 pick. Your making a push for the playoffs right? Then gamble your pick next year.

If Im Dallas, Ill also reach out to Chicago. If on draft night KCP falls to #13, I can see Chicago being interested. They may be willing to part with that Bobcats pick that they own.

[wrectorParticipant]

1st round picks are guaranteed contracts, the Mavs are better off receiving 2 of the 3 first 2nd rd picks and drafting foreign prospects who they can let develop overseas before they sign them. Especially in this draft which is full of foreign players. Future first rounders are good, but for a team like Dallas who can attract bigger name FAs it’s just less salary available to them.

[wrectorParticipant]

1st round picks are guaranteed contracts, the Mavs are better off receiving 2 of the 3 first 2nd rd picks and drafting foreign prospects who they can let develop overseas before they sign them. Especially in this draft which is full of foreign players. Future first rounders are good, but for a team like Dallas who can attract bigger name FAs it’s just less salary available to them.

[KHAM83Participant]

Dude! You’ve mislead us. This rumor has no basis. You’re first link is just the report that Dallas is looking to trade out, the other two are Cavs fans making up deals. I was thinking that Dallas could do much better. Yes they want to save cap space, but Ill think they’ll rather future first rounder(s) instead of 2 second rounders this year.

A team that could provide a future first rounder, plus take Marion’s contract will get Cuban’s ear, although Cleveland can do that themselves. If Im Dallas, I say give me 2014 unprotected for their 2013 #13 pick. Your making a push for the playoffs right? Then gamble your pick next year.

If Im Dallas, Ill also reach out to Chicago. If on draft night KCP falls to #13, I can see Chicago being interested. They may be willing to part with that Bobcats pick that they own.

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