chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Perry Jones is killing it in this workout. Playing as a 3. Speed, skill, explosiveness, soft jumper. Energy. Another Paul George?
(17 minutes ago).
Number 2 pick?
He better not be, and I'm a fan of his.
I saw that. This guy is really an enigma but I had a sneaky suspicion that he'd be pretty impressive in workouts.
I want video! I hate how these are never taped or anything.
I've always thought he would be best suited as a 3. Hopefully he continues to show what eh can become. I've always been a fan of his.
It's crazy how much meaningless workouts can raise someone's stock. It didn't happen yet, but I've been fully expecting someone to reach for Perry Jones after some time now because of his athleticism and how it would show it workouts. Same for John Henson.
On potential alone I have him 3rd behind Davis and Drummond...Overall ranked 5th because of his sometimes apparent lackadaisical efforts. I have been a huge fan of Perrys as well but just can't see him going 2nd. As a sixers fan I would love to see them make a move to trade up to get him because when he is on he was my favorite player to watch in the NCAA last year.
His game could translate to the NBA a lot better than the NCAA. Think about Ricky Rubio in Europe and how everyone saw the potential but it just didn't work, but then he came to the NBA with a bigger court and no zone defense. Do you think LeBron would be great in college? Not that Perry Jones is close to LeBron but we've seen his physical tools and flashes of greatness. His game could really translate to the NBA, as much as I hate to admit it.
Yes Lebron would have been a beast in college. I do however agree that Perrys game will translate well to the NBA. He should be a tremendous mid post isolation player with his touch and array of moves. I think a lot of his success will depend on who picks him and how he is coached.
If the Blazers pass on him, he will be great. If they pick him he will get injured a lot and be a bust.
to me Perry Jones passes the eye test with his size and probably kills in practice. Its in the game that he disappears. I dont really trust guys who simply cant dominate at the position yet say he will be better at another position. Grant Hill dominated the NCAA PF position. So did Glen Robinson. Can I have some concrete evidence that he will do good at a wing position?
Those guys were in the NCAA 15+ years ago and the game is much different now. It is officiated different and there are many more talented players spread throughout the nation. Jones did dominate at PF on occassion but also disappeared at times. Lets take a look at some more recent players in similar situations.
Look at Beasley who dominated at PF in college and got boards out the butt then moved to SF in the NBA and has not found his place in the league yet. It is really about the individual player and the situation they are in mixed with how hard they work on their game. If PJ3 goes to the right team and is willing to work I could certainly see some all star games in his future whether he is playing the 3 or the 4.
like i said in another topic b4 i saw this one... dont be surprised if he goes top 5 or 6 if a team falls in love with him
this is another reason why workouts are worthless. You can clearly tell he'd be impressive in workouts but in game he does not look impressive.
When you have that much talent and disappear on the floor for minutes on end you don't have a killer instinct. He is soft and doesn't have desire IMO. If anything he's a #3 option on a team if that. Picking this guy in the top 10 would be a mistake and he's just another Jonathon Bender waiting to happen.
I can see PJ III going within the top 10 but top 5 would be a reach but it only needs one GM to like him.
I don't see how people can doubt PJ3. Do people even bother to watch his reels from highschool? The guy is another Kevin Garnett. Skip the Paul George comparison.
I can see the raptors pulling the trigger at 8. Colangelo has never been one to be scared of drafting potential, and if plays the 3, they have a need there
As much as I liked Perry coming out of highschool, I've lost a lot of my love for his game. He simply doesn't have the dominant mindset. The dude only averaged like 12 and 10 in highschool. His game reminds me of Lamar Odom's actually. Dude passes the eye test, and may end up having good numbers in his career but will always leave you wanting more. Maybe he's more Tim Thomas than LO now that I think about it.
Bigger question is who has a list of workouts and participants?
Pretty sure, he'd stand out in workouts, but what about the REAL GAMES?
the Tim Thomas comparison is a good one
exactly my point with your Beasley example. Beasley dominated the college PF position and he struggled on the conversion to a wing. Perry Jones was a high touted recruit and the dude didnt show in alot of games. It could have been the system but since PJ3 was such a highly sought recruit, Im sure the coach did design plays for PJ3. Baylor was a good team last year
has anyone watched his tape from highschool???you serious??? in highschool where he was probably going against people 6'2'' guarding him. what did the guy do against people that are better and taller? Nothing
agree fast and furious. When the lights come on what does he do.. I hope he goes to a team like the 76ers who has a good coach in doug collins.. I think he could help him play more consistently and to learn how to play the right way. gosh i just want him to keep getting better cuss his potential is through the roof
If the team drafting PJIII allows him to play SF and only forces him into the Post on mismatches... he'll be awesome.
If the team drafting PJIII forces him to be a PF this early in his career he'll struggle to get off the bench.
The Anthony Randolph comparisons are overblown. Jones is stonger, more cerebral (Randolph has a bit of Mcgee in him) and Jones can/will play within an offense...
I see a more explosive Lamar Odom
no surprise here
He's gonna be a great nba player, with that size and versitality, their is no way he can be bad. Unless he gets lazy and don't care like we've all seen him do in college. It's all on him whether he makes it or not. It will be no one else's fault but him. As a sixers fan if they can some how snag him, I doubt it but that would be EXACTLY what that team needs
Does anybody have a list of who and where guys are working out pre draft.
The combine and workouts will raise his stock. I just don't think he'll go in the top 7, still, Joe Alexander and others have wowed people with individual workouts, but his lack of fire and ability to show up in big games will still be in the mind of NBA front office guys.
I personally would take him 10-12, but I think he'll go 8-10, maybe as high as 7
Perry Jones workout.....
Alot of big time prospects have been working out this week..Terrance Jones,Tony Wroten and Fab Melo will be in Santa Monica for workouts later 2day...
It's the exact same thing you have heard about Perry Jones all along. He has all the tools but doesn't produce on the court. Perry Jones = Bust I don't care how good his work outs are. It should come as no surprise he looks great in a workout. That's why everyone is so high on him to begin with. They certainly aren't high on him for his on court production.
Put him in an actual basketball game and he will do the same thing he always does. Not a whole lot. Kwame Brown, Marvin Williams, and Brandan Wright looked really good in workouts too..If anyone can disprove the forum below be my guest.
at the end bball is a 5 on 5 game... practice, 1 on 1, 3 on 3, workouts... are all some clue but not the truth.
the truth is on the court and till now jones has been disappointed almost everytime he was on the court.
The best thing for him would be to slip from the lottery and begin to understand he has to work hard. This kind of slap could wake him up... and he would have less pressure and more time to develop in a team at the end of the first round.
I completely agree with that. If Jones were drafted to a team like the Spurs or Jazz where he wouldn't be the "savior" and had a stable franchise behind him I think he could have a solid career and avoid the bust label but I don't think that will happen. It is more likely he is drafted by a garbage franchise like the Warriors where tweeners go to die (Anthony Randolph/Brandan Wright)
See, I look at that workout, and you'd assume those clips are considered highlights, but his handle looks impressive for a PF, but below average for a SF, he doesn't change direction particularly quick, and while he's fluid for a guy his size, he isn't straight up fluid on the level of NBA wings. I didn't see flashes of an NBA wing, I saw flashes of a very mobile PF.
Also, as far as Beasley playing the SF in the NBA, he was playing the PF his rookie season and was undersized, it was only after he got to Minnesota that he played the majority of his minutes at the 3, and he was showing signs of delivering on his potential before his body started failing him with numerous injuries and the like. I wouldn't point to him as a guy who failed the make the adjustment, because really he was still playing out of position in Miami.
The Jazz has too much quality size as it is so it would not be beneficial to his career at all to be stuck on their bench. He will fit best with team like the Suns who have plenty of minutes available at the 3 and 4 spots. He won't tear the league apart from the start but I think once he finds out what parts of his game work in the NBA he could be really great.
You missed my point. I was just naming a few stable franchises off the top of my head not saying who needs to draft him. I think if he goes to any stable team including the Jazz it will be better for him than going to a barnfire like the Bobcats, Wizards, Warriors, etc. If he ends up on a team like that he is in trouble. If you are a good enough player on any team you will eventually find the court and people will take notice.
It's fine and dandy that he can play well with no one guarding him but I saw him a handful of times at Baylor and he rarely showed up.
Last time I checked, when you play in the NBA, there's a guy guarding you.
I love how Chad Ford is saying that he had high energy in the workout. Again, he doesn't have it in games, and that's all that matters.
"I see a more explosive Lamar Odom"
More explosive Lamar Odom? Are you implying that Jones is a better prospect than Odom was coming out of college? PJIII might be more athletic, but his ball skills and floor game don't come close to Odom. People were calling Odom the next Majic Johnson coming out. The only reason why he wasn't taken #1 was because there were questions about his attitude and demeanor if I recall correctly.
It's easy to kill it when you playing against you're shadow. He always kills it when he's playing against that guy but as soon as he plays against a actual player things change quickly
with PJ3 it's all about assertiveness and confidence, he has all the skills and potential but he dosn't have the mental stuff to accomplish it, right now!
It will be interesting to see if PJ III works out alongside similar prospects in team work outs, if he was alongside say Barnes, MKG he could boost his draft stock by comparing well to them. But often agents would not want their prospects working alongside lower rated players as it could adversely affect their draft stock.
You could see Barnes and MKG maybe working out together and say Perry Jones and John Henso but neither duo could be put up against players much lower than them in the draft.
With PJ III a lot depends on what is seen as his best NBA position as to what his best fit would be. I would not mind him going to NOH with the pick via the Clippers as he would not be their highest drafted player and would be going onto a young roster where he would have time to develop. Portland also could use him with their 2nd pick provided the main pick does not go back to NJ and he could play around Batum and maybe LMA in due course.
It should be no surprise he's doing great in workouts, he has the look of a workout warrior. I want him to develop that killer instinct in games before I say he's the All-Star caliber player he has the potential to be
It's funny how people think someone is better an they are because of how athletic they are then from workouts against no one. Reality sets right back in once they start playing in games again then you realize they are what you thought they were when you saw them in college