[cryan03Participant]

 I just on twitter that the Cavs and Jazz have discussed a trade that would send the #1 pick to the Jazz for Derrick Favors and the #5 pick. The Jazz want Jabari. 

 

Utah would get there guy in Jabari and Cleveland would get a great young PF/C in Favors but who would they take at 5?

 

What do you guys think?

 

[cryan03Participant]

 Would the Cavs take Embiid if he falls to 5? and pair Embiid with Favors if this happens 

[cryan03Participant]

 Would the Cavs take Embiid if he falls to 5? and pair Embiid with Favors if this happens 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 I don’t like Utah trading Favors even if it is for Parker. I want Favors to stay with the team. He’s a very valuable player. I think they should try trading Kanter to the Cavs instead. If Cavs say no, then just stick with the 5th pick and go with Vonleh. I like a frontcourt of Favors and Vonleh better than I do Kanter and Parker. 

I might consider it if Tristan Thompson is included in the deal going to the Jazz. 

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 I don’t like Utah trading Favors even if it is for Parker. I want Favors to stay with the team. He’s a very valuable player. I think they should try trading Kanter to the Cavs instead. If Cavs say no, then just stick with the 5th pick and go with Vonleh. I like a frontcourt of Favors and Vonleh better than I do Kanter and Parker. 

I might consider it if Tristan Thompson is included in the deal going to the Jazz. 

 

[AstroParticipant]

Jazz get a potential franchise player, Cavs get the big man they need and at #5 they can go a number of ways – e.g. Smart, Exum (who could fit in with Irving in the backcourt) or another big man with Vonleh or Randle.

Favors is poised for a breakthrough season. He’s only 22 and still has many upside years left.

[AstroParticipant]

Jazz get a potential franchise player, Cavs get the big man they need and at #5 they can go a number of ways – e.g. Smart, Exum (who could fit in with Irving in the backcourt) or another big man with Vonleh or Randle.

Favors is poised for a breakthrough season. He’s only 22 and still has many upside years left.

[JCliff24Participant]

I love the idea of bringing in Favors. What I don’t like are Cleveland’s options at number 5. They wont be drafting another PF/C to fill their roster as it seems to be a log jam there as is. Which leaves the SF / SG position. From what I’ve read it seems like Marcus Smart wants to play PG, not an option in Cleveland. So what if Exum is gone? The closest SF or SG  available would be Zach Lavine, Nick Stauskus, Gary Harris and Rodney Hood. ALL who would be a reach with the 5th pick.

[JCliff24Participant]

I love the idea of bringing in Favors. What I don’t like are Cleveland’s options at number 5. They wont be drafting another PF/C to fill their roster as it seems to be a log jam there as is. Which leaves the SF / SG position. From what I’ve read it seems like Marcus Smart wants to play PG, not an option in Cleveland. So what if Exum is gone? The closest SF or SG  available would be Zach Lavine, Nick Stauskus, Gary Harris and Rodney Hood. ALL who would be a reach with the 5th pick.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

I don’t like it, the jazz need to stay put and they will be fine

[BallinmvpParticipant]

I don’t like it, the jazz need to stay put and they will be fine

[festar35Participant]

If I’m Utah I would ask for Tristan Thompson as well, just to add someone to that 4 spot.

[festar35Participant]

If I’m Utah I would ask for Tristan Thompson as well, just to add someone to that 4 spot.

[festar35Participant]

I would love to see Parker in a Jazz jerse. They just need a face up 4 to compliment Kanter and then you have
Burke, Burks/Hayward, Parker, ?, Kanter

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 how about Anthony Bennett?

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 how about Anthony Bennett?

[festar35Participant]

I would love to see Parker in a Jazz jerse. They just need a face up 4 to compliment Kanter and then you have
Burke, Burks/Hayward, Parker, ?, Kanter

[r377Participant]

The Jazz must want him bad. I heard the other day it was Burks and the pick, now they have upped the ante to include Favors.

This is too much to give up. As festar said I would ask for Thompson or even Bennett back

[r377Participant]

The Jazz must want him bad. I heard the other day it was Burks and the pick, now they have upped the ante to include Favors.

This is too much to give up. As festar said I would ask for Thompson or even Bennett back

[Captain LParticipant]

 Although I love Parker, I’m not sure the Jazz FO wouldn’t take Wiggins, most Jazz fans want Parker but the FO like Wiggins just as much as Parker according to Chad Ford,  Parker probably fits the Jazz needs better but Wiggins fits a need too, and his upside is hard to pass up.  I’d hate to see Favors go, I too think he will have a break out year, this last year I think he learned alot about what he has to do to play at a high level and although he made progress last year, he knows he has much to improve on.  Trading Favors would be difficult to swallow but getting a potential go to, #1 option would probably be worth it.

[Captain LParticipant]

 Although I love Parker, I’m not sure the Jazz FO wouldn’t take Wiggins, most Jazz fans want Parker but the FO like Wiggins just as much as Parker according to Chad Ford,  Parker probably fits the Jazz needs better but Wiggins fits a need too, and his upside is hard to pass up.  I’d hate to see Favors go, I too think he will have a break out year, this last year I think he learned alot about what he has to do to play at a high level and although he made progress last year, he knows he has much to improve on.  Trading Favors would be difficult to swallow but getting a potential go to, #1 option would probably be worth it.

[JCliff24Participant]

The Cavs give up their number 1 overall pick and this years number 1 overall pick for #5 and Derrick Favors?
The Cavs give up Tristan Thompson (11.7ppg/9.2rpg) and the number 1 overall pick in arguably the strongest draft in years for Derick Favors (13.3ppg/8.7rpg) and the number 5 pick?

I agree that Favors is a better talent than Thompson and Bennett but if you think you’re getting anymore more than the number 1 pick, you’re crazy.

[JCliff24Participant]

The Cavs give up their number 1 overall pick and this years number 1 overall pick for #5 and Derrick Favors?
The Cavs give up Tristan Thompson (11.7ppg/9.2rpg) and the number 1 overall pick in arguably the strongest draft in years for Derick Favors (13.3ppg/8.7rpg) and the number 5 pick?

I agree that Favors is a better talent than Thompson and Bennett but if you think you’re getting anymore more than the number 1 pick, you’re crazy.

[CanadianGMParticipant]

 Cavs have been offered Phillys 3 & now the 10. Dream offseason scenario. Take Wiggins if you have any shot at Lebron. They need star power and already have enough talent on bench in my scenario.( Thompson-4, Bennett-1, Zeller-17. Lebron is either staying with The Heat(most likely) or deciding to raise the family n OHio.

PG – Kyrie Irving

SG- Dion Waiters

SF- Wiggins

PF- Lebron James comes back

C- Bring floor spacer Hawes to play similar role to Chris Bosh

Bench- G – Jack, Delladova , F – Thompson & Bennett.  C- Zeller

[CanadianGMParticipant]

 Cavs have been offered Phillys 3 & now the 10. Dream offseason scenario. Take Wiggins if you have any shot at Lebron. They need star power and already have enough talent on bench in my scenario.( Thompson-4, Bennett-1, Zeller-17. Lebron is either staying with The Heat(most likely) or deciding to raise the family n OHio.

PG – Kyrie Irving

SG- Dion Waiters

SF- Wiggins

PF- Lebron James comes back

C- Bring floor spacer Hawes to play similar role to Chris Bosh

Bench- G – Jack, Delladova , F – Thompson & Bennett.  C- Zeller

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 I think the Cavs might do it to entice Kyrie Irving to sign on that dotted line. Irving is probably not interested how good Wiggins will be 3-4 years from now, Kyrie wants to win now. Favors and the #5 is a good hedged bet for keeping Irving while still adding 2 young players with high potential (although no superstar pot.)

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 I think the Cavs might do it to entice Kyrie Irving to sign on that dotted line. Irving is probably not interested how good Wiggins will be 3-4 years from now, Kyrie wants to win now. Favors and the #5 is a good hedged bet for keeping Irving while still adding 2 young players with high potential (although no superstar pot.)

[RakkiParticipant]

I dont get why Jazz didnt tank for the top three pick. 

[RakkiParticipant]

I dont get why Jazz didnt tank for the top three pick. 

[benny15Participant]

 cause tanking creates a loosing culture and the only thing a small market, unattracted fa destinantion team like the jazz can do is keep a consistent competitive culture who will try to win each and every game. if the jazz tanks for picks, their organization would be one of the embarassments of the league and will not get any support from their fan base. 

[benny15Participant]

 cause tanking creates a loosing culture and the only thing a small market, unattracted fa destinantion team like the jazz can do is keep a consistent competitive culture who will try to win each and every game. if the jazz tanks for picks, their organization would be one of the embarassments of the league and will not get any support from their fan base. 

[DS LewisParticipant]

 The coach was too stuborn and prideful to focus on player development and establishing a defense and instead put everything he could into winning meaningless games.

[DS LewisParticipant]

 The coach was too stuborn and prideful to focus on player development and establishing a defense and instead put everything he could into winning meaningless games.

[Andrew1984Participant]

Why would the Cavs trade Tristan Thompson for an almost identical player in Derrick Favors?

Tristan Thompson: 23 years old, 6-8, 225, averaged 11.7 points and 9.2 rebounds on 47 percent shooting in his third season
Derrick Favors: will be 23 in a few weeks, 6-10, 246, averaged 13.3 points and 8.7 rebounds on 52 percent shooting in his fourth season

Favors is a few months younger, a little bit bigger, averaged only 1.6 more points than Thompson, grabbed fewer rebounds, and shot it slightly better, but with Tristan’s recent switch to right-handed shooting, I expect his FG percentage to increase.

I’m not a staunch Tristan defender and ultimately I wouldn’t mind seeing him either replaced in the lineup or traded, but not for someone who is hardly an upgrade!

[Andrew1984Participant]

Why would the Cavs trade Tristan Thompson for an almost identical player in Derrick Favors?

Tristan Thompson: 23 years old, 6-8, 225, averaged 11.7 points and 9.2 rebounds on 47 percent shooting in his third season
Derrick Favors: will be 23 in a few weeks, 6-10, 246, averaged 13.3 points and 8.7 rebounds on 52 percent shooting in his fourth season

Favors is a few months younger, a little bit bigger, averaged only 1.6 more points than Thompson, grabbed fewer rebounds, and shot it slightly better, but with Tristan’s recent switch to right-handed shooting, I expect his FG percentage to increase.

I’m not a staunch Tristan defender and ultimately I wouldn’t mind seeing him either replaced in the lineup or traded, but not for someone who is hardly an upgrade!

[BA30Participant]

 I guess if you only look at stats and not their games you could think they are similar players. They are not. Favors, when he is on is a dominant low post presence and a pretty good defender (helps when wingspan is 7’4"). Thompson is not dominant anywhere offensively and is not as good of a defender. Where he is better than Favors is with energy. TT will ultimately be a good energy player off the bench but isn’t a starter. Favors could be a 20ppg/10rpg player if he applies himself and by all rights should be a starter.

[BA30Participant]

 I guess if you only look at stats and not their games you could think they are similar players. They are not. Favors, when he is on is a dominant low post presence and a pretty good defender (helps when wingspan is 7’4"). Thompson is not dominant anywhere offensively and is not as good of a defender. Where he is better than Favors is with energy. TT will ultimately be a good energy player off the bench but isn’t a starter. Favors could be a 20ppg/10rpg player if he applies himself and by all rights should be a starter.

[Andrew1984Participant]

If you’re going to trade the No. 1 overall pick for the No. 5 overall pick, you better be getting a player who is MILES AND MILES better than the player you’re sending. Favors is nowhere near No. 5-for-No.1 better than Thompson.

[BA30Participant]

 1 – Neither of these players are done growing, but based on top end potential, Favors is miles ahead of TT. I am not sure Favors has the drive to get there

2 – TT wouldn’t be traded, just Favors and #5 for #1, which means Cavs have both. Favors puts in about 15ppg and 8rpg, TT comes off the bench and scores 8ppg and 8-10rpg. You aren’t losing all of the production. You have gained production. Plus the player you take at #5.

I would never make the trade myself, but I don’t see how Thompson is a factor here. He goes to the bench where he belongs.

 

 

 

[BA30Participant]

 1 – Neither of these players are done growing, but based on top end potential, Favors is miles ahead of TT. I am not sure Favors has the drive to get there

2 – TT wouldn’t be traded, just Favors and #5 for #1, which means Cavs have both. Favors puts in about 15ppg and 8rpg, TT comes off the bench and scores 8ppg and 8-10rpg. You aren’t losing all of the production. You have gained production. Plus the player you take at #5.

I would never make the trade myself, but I don’t see how Thompson is a factor here. He goes to the bench where he belongs.

 

 

 

[jazznationpresidentParticipant]

Favors is not better than the number 5?  I don’t see that.  Favors will be an all-star.  He might not be a top 50 greatest player in the league but he is progressing.  His shot is improving, his post moves getting better, and with a coach/team that can play a little bit of defense he will be an elite defender.  Look at the guys available at 5 and it is all hope that they can be as good as Favors is now and its also hope that they will be better, which Favors still has except that he has proven he can defend at the elite level and has a developing offensive game.  The only reason I trade him if I am the Jazz is the potential to get that elite top 50 all-star.  Sure Jabari might not be that but he has a chance.  I think the Cavs already have that in Kyrie and they have some other nice people but they really lack a legit inside threat and defender.  This does it for them and gets them there 3 years earlier (which as mentioned above is big for keeping Kyrie).  PLUS you get whatever potential is there at 5.  If I’m the Cavs, I do this and draft Vonleh (same reason I believe the Jazz should take him because he matches well with Favors currently!).  That’s a nice core that will be championship contenders in the future with 1 or two more pieces.  And if Bennett ever comes around, he is a nice assett for trade bait!

 

 

 

  

[jazznationpresidentParticipant]

Favors is not better than the number 5?  I don’t see that.  Favors will be an all-star.  He might not be a top 50 greatest player in the league but he is progressing.  His shot is improving, his post moves getting better, and with a coach/team that can play a little bit of defense he will be an elite defender.  Look at the guys available at 5 and it is all hope that they can be as good as Favors is now and its also hope that they will be better, which Favors still has except that he has proven he can defend at the elite level and has a developing offensive game.  The only reason I trade him if I am the Jazz is the potential to get that elite top 50 all-star.  Sure Jabari might not be that but he has a chance.  I think the Cavs already have that in Kyrie and they have some other nice people but they really lack a legit inside threat and defender.  This does it for them and gets them there 3 years earlier (which as mentioned above is big for keeping Kyrie).  PLUS you get whatever potential is there at 5.  If I’m the Cavs, I do this and draft Vonleh (same reason I believe the Jazz should take him because he matches well with Favors currently!).  That’s a nice core that will be championship contenders in the future with 1 or two more pieces.  And if Bennett ever comes around, he is a nice assett for trade bait!

 

 

 

  

[Andrew1984Participant]

If you’re going to trade the No. 1 overall pick for the No. 5 overall pick, you better be getting a player who is MILES AND MILES better than the player you’re sending. Favors is nowhere near No. 5-for-No.1 better than Thompson.

[thunderjerkParticipant]

You’re looking at stats without watching the guy play. Favors is so much better than Tristan Thompson it’s ridiculous. Points and rebounds are not the only things that matter in basketball. Favors’ best attribute is defense without question. He’s a great rim protector and can shut opposing power forwards down if it’s the job a coach wants out of him. The only reason Favors didn’t average more rebounds is because he played often with Kanter who is also a really great rebounder (and who also skews his defensive numbers in the wrong direction with his awful defense) and the reason why he didn’t average more points is because Bonehead Corbin never ran a play for him.  

 

Favors is is a really good player. Maybe a two or three time all-star in the future (especially in the eastern conference). If you’re the Jazz, you make this trade and maybe give up a future unprotected first if they really believe that Wiggins or Parker will be elite. 

[thunderjerkParticipant]

You’re looking at stats without watching the guy play. Favors is so much better than Tristan Thompson it’s ridiculous. Points and rebounds are not the only things that matter in basketball. Favors’ best attribute is defense without question. He’s a great rim protector and can shut opposing power forwards down if it’s the job a coach wants out of him. The only reason Favors didn’t average more rebounds is because he played often with Kanter who is also a really great rebounder (and who also skews his defensive numbers in the wrong direction with his awful defense) and the reason why he didn’t average more points is because Bonehead Corbin never ran a play for him.  

 

Favors is is a really good player. Maybe a two or three time all-star in the future (especially in the eastern conference). If you’re the Jazz, you make this trade and maybe give up a future unprotected first if they really believe that Wiggins or Parker will be elite. 

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