Here's the issue...
He doesn't know me. He doesn't know my name. He doesn't know anything about the situation involving me. So how can he aggressively make claims? How can he aggressively accuse someone of being a fraud without any information or facts from me? You can't just build a "case" against someone and call them out because something makes sense to you. And you can't come at someone that way and expect them to come back at you with respect. It's one thing to "jab" each other, but it's a completely different thing to dig deep on someone and try to question their integrity. People "jab" each other non-stop on this site. What's new? And I poked fun about his JUCO not to say I was better than him (when have I ever portrayed myself as better than someone else on this site?), but only to jab at him like he was doing me. But digging into someone's personal stuff and then questioning who they say they are without any real information is wrong. IF you're going to question someone's integrity, you better be 100% sure and have the facts.
And it's funny to me that people consistently act like I've had a problem talking about me. I think I've been more open with my experiences, etc than MOST people on this site. The 100% Hoops website has been posted by me before on this site... It's not new. I only stopped posting about it because Aran doesn't like it. I've brought up my associations with that site, etc plenty of times on here. Not only 100% Hoops, but also St. Vincent Sports Medicine. These things are not new. The injuries, etc. Not new. The fact that people are acting like I've never cited my sources or how I'm affiliated with things is confusing to me. The only thing I've never done on here is mentioned my actual name, which 95% of people haven't. And MikeyV says he got my name off of the fantasy league roster. I'm sure he can put two and two together and go to the 100% Hoops website and see the association with the other people on the site. IF MikeyV was THAT interested in who I was, you could've asked me. You've e-mailed my PERSONAL e-mail before. Why not do it again?
Point blank is you can't make claims against someone without knowing their situation. He tried to air me out without one fact and failed. Failed because he tried to prove I lied about things that I NEVER claimed I'd done. I never said I averaged tons of points, won awards, etc. I never said I was a big deal. IF anybody goes back and reads anything of what I've ever wrote, you'd find I said the complete opposite... And that I did other things.
Why do you feel compelled to respond anyway? All it is is immature kids acting like imature kids.
To everybody else: This is suposed to be a basketball website... not a little girl/&$#%#&@! chat.
I didn't read everything but I really wan't a honest answer did IndianaBasketball actually do the tip dunk on Patrick O'Bryan. Not hating or picking sides just want that answer
FckkSwagg and TOL23 summed it up perfectly. You are still a good poster Indiana, but no one is going to believe your Juco basketball career or knowing Eric Gordon anymore when you use it in an argument. I'm Jay Kaminski. Why wouldn't you want to say your name? We're not little kids who are going to get raped here come on.
Hahaha okay this post has kinda gotten out of hand. Whether or not he played at a higher level than some/most of us on here is up for debate but at least he gets to do what he loves for a living right? I mean if I could get a career training athletes and working with athletes, etc. I would jump on that opportunity in a heartbeat wouldn't all of you?
I do however think that the funniest part about this whole thing is that aamir went all OS (original stalker) on wonderchump and found him and posted that guy's name and stats for everyone to see. Tell me that's not almost calling out IB to show some statistics to the guy he "supposedly" called a scrub.
I been called for the thread to calm down. But as I stated and will always believe this guys timing never adds up to the days and the coaches he played for he said he graduated from ISU in 06, but Everick Sullivan first year as Head Coach at Vincennes was 05-06, which means if he was at Vincennes as he says he was playing for him then he would have been a sophomore not graduating. I don't care anymore whether people want to admit it or not the numbers and the story not adding up either way it goes.
And also for the people saying just because his previous school doesn't show up on the ISU website that doesn't mean anything. Name me one school who takes people off their roster for being INJURED, not kicked off, INJURED...NONE.
You're working hard to put two and two together, but here's what happens when you don't have the actual facts to fill in the blanks.
You assumed those names I posted were just of the coaches I played for and not people/mentors that have helped me. What you don't know is that I've been knowing Everick Sullivan since I was a kid due to the fact my uncle played ball against him (Sullivan went to Louisville and my uncle to Kentucky). My grades sucked in high school and without Sullivan, I don't get into VU. He knew Sparks. I wanted to go to Wabash (where Sullivan was at during that time), but there was no space... Plus he wasn't sure how long he'd be there and was planning on taking another job (he ended up leaving to a different JUCO in 2004-2005).
VU 03-04. VU 04-05.
ISU 05-06 and graduation Fall of 2006 (yes sir, I graduated EARLY and did my internship the second semester).
So what's NOT adding up in your head?
And what are you not getting about "career over before it started"??? What are you not getting about training? What are you not getting about any of the facts I've stated??? I was a blessed dude to have good people in my life that gave me chance after chance. Like I've said 10 times now in this thread... Poor grades and injuries got to me early, but I was fortunate enough to have good coaches like Sparks and Waltman who kept me around regardless.
You're so blinded by your "gotcha" moment that you'll stoop to any lengths to get it. Thing is, you've FAILED misterably.
Your uncle went to Kentucky? Thats siiiick bro, thats my fav. team this year. You got them tonight?
you've had every opportunity to take the high road here & let this die, but you refuse to do it...grow up brother! you've said all you need to say...keep it movin
Now I will admit that I do do my fair share of stalking, but I think Boy Wonder took it a bit too far, and the crazy part is that is that we actually CARE about this. It makes little difference to me whether Indiana went to Kentucky and was hailed as the next MJ, or if he's some 400 pounder going all Eddy Curry on the cheesecake plopped onto the couch.
I'm too lazy and don't care to look up if Indy is telling the truth (I believe he is telling the truth), but I'm sure someone else'll do that for me, lol.
Let' put this behind us and talk ball, the main board has been painstakingly slow the past couple weeks, let's turn that around.
I have a suggestion just to lay everything to rest.
Indiana you are obviously comfortable with Mikey knowing who you are, so instead of posting your identity for everyone to know, why not just have a private conversation with him?
Once Mikey vouches, this is officially done, because I know nobody is going to call you both out.
I've said before though that this is a sports forum. The realness of this argument is pretty valid, however I think this has dragged on too long, because all sides are just not taking that extra step to finish this. Come on Indiana please for the sake of the forum we all know and love just finish this without another defensive word. You and Mike talk and he'll finish it for you.
This &$#%#&@! is embarassing for everyone. We're all grown men, I think?
MikeyV giving longer than needed answers since childhood
Haha I love this kid!!! omfa Im dyin right now n I aint smoked in months. His teeth...haha omfg. Too much man, I needed that. That kid been messin with that jenkem.
me too m-dymes, i just watched it right now and i think i startled the neighbors with my laughter.
Sorry M after agreeing on Ms. Rivers I couldnt even joke on you bro
Thats fine man. I ain't ashamed of my fondness of tree. As long as it, like many other things, is used in moderation, there is no reason 2 be ashamed. I am who I am and I do what I do. If people find it funny then all the more power 2 them, all I know is I'm having a good fu*kin time. If someone else gets a kick out of talkin bout the stuff I do, that's awesome. Just livin my life n ain't givin a thought less into what others think. If anyone wants to make M-DYMES stoner jokes, more power 2 em. I get a kick out of em 2 occassionally.
That's a great attitude, and I would recommend that nobody takes anything said here personal. In fact, I think everybody who can take it without throwing a fit gets picked on from time to time. McPunchingBag, mikeyv, RUDEBOY, M-DYMES, The DragonBallers, etc...
I, however, cannot take it. I will throw a fit, report you to Mollom and turn you into cyclo in one swift motion.
You're feeding the fire bro. He got his 15 minutes of fame, let it go. If you know what you did that's all that matters. It's obvious you've been around the game awhile. Just keep doing you. Let the children have their fun. You don't owe anyone here any kind of answers.
Man who cares about all this...Wow.
Man, I just was interested to know and did not know how to address you about it. I thought what I wrote initially was low pressure and sufficient enough, than this dude went on a rant. Believe me, if you are doing well for yourself that is awesome. Think everyone was just curious to know about the circumstances and why you seemed to ignore questions asked about your career. You may not have meant to ignore them, but it happened on occasion.
The times I e-mailed you was through the fantasy basketball league. I was trying to help you out as you did not update your team. Obviously, you did not care about it very much (do not blame you, it is not for everyone), so I left you alone. I always said you did not have to answer everyone and I never told people your name.
I just kind of never knew if you were still upset over the whole Chris Paul trade fiasco thread, so I did not exactly know you would have been cool with me asking in another format. Either way, think this went on long enough and I am sure I could have handled things better. The amount of misunderstandings on these couple threads were monumental and time consuming, but I guess that is how things work on this site from time to time.
Ok man you can now try to say you didn't play for those coaches they were mentors or whatever the case is, fact is you never put on an ISU jersey like you CLAIMED you did. Good for you, you got ya degree, you train people or whatever it is you've done or do.
No Vincennes transfers on that roster period from the time you were at ISU.
No such thing as failing when you bring the truth to people's attention, your the one who failed my brother for lying to people you don't even know.
And last thing, because none of what you saying is adding up, why when you ragged on my JUCO and I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU were did you play you responded just like this:
North Central High School - Doug Mitchell
Vincennes University- Dan Sparks/Everick Sullivan
Indiana State University- Royce Waltman
Now your saying these were your mentors? lmao gimme a break.
ISU+IndianaBasketball= Never Played.
You can write ya lil sob story about my "INJURIES" and "GRADES" and have people agree with you or whatever the case is and say it prevented you from playing, but you clearly stated you played for ISU, and grades in HS don't matter for D1 if you get your associates in JUCO.
Just admit you never played college ball at the D1 level.
Boywonder you seem like the kind of dude who would stalk an ex-girlfriend to the point where you'd end up stabbing her to death on her front porch. Give it a f*cking rest.
Boywonder is right though.
Lets just end it here please. Ok Indiana got caught in an awkward lie but we have all had our moments
When your mother walked in on you umm mid hand check or watching &$#%#&@! did she still love you?
Indiana lied for whatever reason but like we have all said he has been a good poster. My points have all came from jokes and gifs his came from straight up basketball knowledge.
I dont think you guys would like me any less if you found out that Im also a member of the Pound Puppies forum(aye that cartoon was dope when i was little)
Damn my dude you just don't let up.... We all might need some proof from you that you actually leave the house on a daily basis as you claim, because you are so caught up in some other dudes life, and the fact that somebody may or may not have lied over the internet. I'm not sure where you got the mind boggling idea that every piece of information, and everything that comes out of some1's mouth on the web is indeed fact. If you like to be a detective so damn much why dont you go to eharmony and do some research as to why every chick out there is blonde, athletic and sport teet's the size of dodgeballs, and just why you can't find these kinda chicks in your neighborhood.
I don't understand why everyone feel's like the guy owes them an explanation. Some of ya'll are acting like you're his &$#%#&@! child and he left you in a trash can at birth. Maybe he lied, maybe he didn't. What impact does this exactly have on your life to post about it every 5 minutes if he did anyways? The fact that a dude said he played at a D1 school and possibly didn't isn't even in the realm of &$#%#&@! i care about on the daily.
"When your mother walked in on you umm mid hand check or watching &$#%#&@! did she still love you?"
I agree this probably went too far, I think what bothered most people about it is this.
No matter how little credibility boywonder has, he brought a legitimate argument, and had grounds to do so.
Indiana, instead of responding to the problem he just went the whole "No credibility/stalker/not enough facts/i never said i dunked on obryant in a MVC game" route, and that's what made it hard for people to just say, oh yeah this is just bs.
You can say your open to talking about yourself but saying I was some former Chicago stud, who knew Jon Scheyer and Derrick Rose personally and I never quite made it and all this other crap is easy for me to do, and easy for any of us to do. If I actually was that guy, and I actually was getting called out for not being that dude, I would come up with some simple clean evidence to proving who I am. Again, I get the whole "I dont want people knowing my personal information" and such, but if you are smart, your email accounts/facebook/twitter/ etc are all properly protected from being hacked, or in the case of something like facebook, you can stop strangers from even looking at it. I'm just saying, wouldn't it have saved you a hell of a lot of time, effort, arguments, pointless debates about Patrick O'Bryant, and much more by saying, heres my ISU bio, here it is on ESPN.com, this is me. The route you took might make perfect sense to you, and many people reading this, and I am not even doubting you are telling the whole truth. But the fact is, the way you went about it allowed for this argument to drag on because it didn't seem legit when you just say "This guys a stalker, wtf?!?!"
its time for indianabasketball to walk away from this site..... he has always been a fraud in my opinion and this just sheds light on his shameful ways
why lie? why lie on an internet forum? LOL pathetic
Lol. Walk away from the site because some people think he is lying about playing basketball. C'mon son. I wasn't there so I don't have the full details but here I go. Should Indiana have bashed someone's JUCO ball, no. Did he lie about playing at Indiana State? Idk nor do I care. Should we call him crazy for lying on the Internet? Only if we call the guy that wasted his personal time searching for proof crazy as well.
IndianaBasketball is one of the true good posters on this forum. You know the BASKETBALL forum where we are supposed to be talking about basketball. Where Indiana talks about basketball and is one of the few that do. Maybe I'm getting old but I remember when we posted only basketball topics. Who cares if he did or didn't play at ISU? I'm pretty sure everyone on this site didn't have a basketball career that is noteworthy. That's why we are here. To talk about a game we love but weren't good enough to be relevant. If any of us were relevant players, we wouldn't be talking, we would be playing.
Im done with this thread. It is everything that is wrong with this site lately.
not doubting you play but its weird that you dont know athletes train, go to camps and play amatuer pro leagues in other cities.and that you dont think its normal for coaches to connect w/ other coaches & get players n2 schools. idk what coaches u deal w/ but thats how it is around here at least its a huge network. he said sparks & gave credit to sullivan too 4 gettin him there. gotta give u "kudos' tho for managin to turn an entire site against a dude thats legit w/o any incrimidatin info. i disagree w/ those who say u'd get fired n a courtroom. ud actually be the top lawyer n town 2 win bogus cases.
I'm tryna get on Indiana Elite this yr, but if not... I'ma play w/ a team from Gary. I'm doin just reg trainin now since i can't afford the top notch expert stuff rite now. Arent these u? I found these on FB on this girl's page.
I couldnt get em to post but got em off of this girl's page who plays for NC. Is that your sis? Shes a killer
Not gonna lie, this might be one of the most amusing threads I've read
Andrew Bynum level maturity in this thread...
Upon further review, it seems his goldfish just died.
I kinda figured he was full when he said Indiana North HS. I'm pretty sure there is no such place. In his rush to indict, he forgot to check his facts. He took a misinterpretation of a misunderstood comment made several years ago, and turned it into a Super Internet Conspiracy. Some (me) think IB didn't need to respond to such childish accusations. Some think he didn't respond the right way, either to soft, or to hard, to logical or to PC. Apparently kanyedabest (Gay fish, yo! LOL) thinks it is enough to end his life as a poster here. I hope he continues to bring the same knowledge and insight he has always brought to the forum. His (alleged) involvement with an Indy area sports clinic helps give me a look into an area where I have great interest.
*Gay fish comment was a dig at kanye from a South Park episode, not a comment by me on the posters species or sexual preferences.
Yea, that's my sister's page. I'm only in one of those pics, which is the one with my little bro at VU. The other pic with EJ in it is of my little bro. He was a senior during EJ's soph season.
Just e-mail the site for training... They work with you on the price, etc. You should also look into the Champion's Academy, which is ran by Ed Schilling. http://www.championsacademy.org/champions/
You can also go to IndianaHoops.com. There's info on AAU teams, etc in the area.
Question: Carl Landry played ball at Vincennes University in 2003-04, have you ever mentioned being a teammate of his? I'm just jumping in and don't know any of you that well, but it seems to me like you would have brought something as cool as that up before.
I never had any problems with him, but Carl and I were never close for some reason. We didn't really become coo until he transfered to Purdue and became friends with one of my good friends (David Teague who went to Pike HS in Indpls).
I support him on here though and have given updates on his training (St. Vincent's Sports Medicine) and with his injuries. I've always looked up to him though because he was able to get through his knee injuries (torn ACL twice and a few other injuries) and still make it in the league.
Did you play with Frantz Dorsainvil? He went to Vincennes around the time you were there and ended up going to U of O. He was a big dude, from Montreal though I believe he was of Haitian descent. Ended up trying to play football for us, with I believe limited success. Also, didn't Shawn Marion also play at Vincennes (though obviously a long time before you were there)?
Yea, big Frantz was there both years I was there. Nice guy.
And I forget what year, but Shawn Marion did play there. His jersey still hanging up in the gym.
I've read this whole thing and most of what your saying adds up, but just to make things clear. Did you actually play basketball at Indiana St.? The whole roster thing that wonder brings up is a fair point, because from what I can tell any player matching your description doesn't appear on that roster. I figure that you played well at Vincennes and earned a scholarship but got injured before you could actually play any games for Indiana St. and they just honored your scholarship by letting you stay on as a trainer. Is that the jist of it?
@TOL23, it's ok to search the history a professional athlete because that is something they sign up for when they become professional. The Spotlight. COmes with the job. Tezo didn't sign up for that when he joined an INTERNET FORUM. This is seriously the worst thread of the year. I'm offended at this cat wonderboy for even getting this deep into things. Especially when all that happened to him was being blasted on an INTERNET FORUM.
Secondly, I'm actually mildly dissapointed in some of the more res[ected posters on here such as yourself for condoning such immature behavior.
Glad to see this thread starting to take turn towards positive. Still the worst thread of the year(along with the other).
Is your sister single tho?
thanx for the info man! ill b a jr next yr & wanna start so i got a lot of work 2 do this summer.
Iguapops are you the maturity police of NBA draft.net forum? I think you need to grow up. Saying you are let down because some of your fellow posters fell into the immaturity of this thread. It is an internet forum buddy, calm down. So I think you need to take your whole INTERNET FORUM advice and don't get to upset over an INTERNET FORUM.
"How can you even try to have a basketball argument/discussion with someone when you know they aren't even who they say they are?"
Uh, I wouldn't think it's that hard. What's gonna happen?
IndianaBasketball: Dwight Howard is the greatest Center in the NBA. He is the league leader in Blocks and Rebounds and a great post scorer.
DurantsWingspan: I don't believe you!!! How can I, if you "aren't who you say you are"?!?! The real best Center must be...Marc Gasol! You liar...
Not a likely scenario
McDunkin: "Is your sister single tho?"
IndianaBasketball: ... (reaches for pistol)
make sure it's a headshot IBB lol
Now, that I think back, big Franzt was abnormally big and strong. At least 6' 9" 270 with very little body fat. I'm not surprised he tried to play football. He was actually just a fresh during my soph season, but I'd drive back from time to time during his 2nd year (VU like 30 mins from Terre Haute) and he'd be beasting. Most of the scouts were there to see him. I can't remember the rankings from back during then, but he had some good buzz. I remember one trip back to VU and Mark Gottfried (former Alabama coach) was there and recruiting him pretty hard.
He was a real good guy though, and smart too.