So now I supposedly assume someone is attacking me everytime they disagree with me? Wow... There's been plenty of disagreements with me... Just like anyone else, sometimes I come back with something and sometimes I don't... It depends on how close I am to the situation or how I feel about it.
I think this is funny coming from you, someone who can come across as being high and mighty and preachy... You've assumed the wrong things before and came act me incorrectly... Of course then I might get a little defensive with you.
You quoted me as writing, "It was a big deal in the MVC", which was untrue. I corrected you on it because you made it sound like this happened during "conference play" which I never wrote. This is the same thing you did during a thread about Blake Griffin where you assumed just because I said Griffin was working hard, LeBron James wasn't... Even though I mentioned LeBron's name nowhere in the post.
"You better come clean..."
Who the F are you? I don't have to prove anything to you. I'm getting a kick out of you bums trying to jump on top of the pile...
This dude is like a VCR with all this back-tracking.
Smh... why lie to strangers? Pointless.
I'm through with it though. This guy clearly has stalkerish issues... I'm afraid he may be able to get my IP address or something. What's next? Scratched cars and flat tires?
Talking about I need to come clean... YOU need to come out of the closet and admit you got a crush on me... Nothing against gay people, but I'll have to pass on ya... You'll have to find somebody else to do the sticking to ya. - INdiana
Pretty sure that sounds like a man who is pulling excuses out of the air to cover his own ass...First hes gonna pull the stocker card, followed abruptly by the gay card...Niiiice
hey boy wonder..... did u ever play against Oakland Community College?
Nothing to prove to me, but the whole NBA Draft forum. You are lying to everyone on the INTERNET. Why? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Really? That is sad man.
How can you even try to have a basketball argument/discussion with someone when you know they aren't even who they say they are?
he said he graduated in 2006 so idk if this helps
First of all, I could honestly care less about where Indiana Basketball went to college, and second and more importantly, as much as we love basketball, as huge of a chunk as it is of our life, the truth is that it's not gonna pay the bills for 99.9% of us. IB got his education and has a job. I'm sure all of us in High School or College aspire to do the same. So I think it's rather foolish that we're making a big deal about this. And Third, do you guys realize that this BoyWonder troll is playing us like a violin? Do you realize that every comment saying this thread is "interesting" or "entertainment" has like 10 points, and anyother post that acknoledges it as a waste of time, has probably 15 negs by now. Have you realized that Boy Wonder has at least 5 points on each post no matter how absurd it is? Let's put this aside and do what we came here for, which is to talk ball.
And what do you guys think about the upcoming free agency? I think that a lot of GMs will give in and overpay big men like Illyasova, Hibbert, McGee(god, please don't give a man with that IQ that much money), and the emerging Jason Thompson. Someone will give each of those guys at least 20 mil, and Hibbert and McGee will get 40 mil+. I also think that KG will stay in Beantown, but if he goes anywhere else that team will get a big boost. He can still turn the clock back pretty often like Timmy. They're both good for an average of 15 and 9, but can give you 20 and 8 on several nights. And both of them have cranked it up as of late, adn they both still protect the rim, not as amazing as they were 5 years ago, but still very solid.
This junk is garbage. I think Perez put it best. Though I wll say, there are far too many people hating on Indiana for no reason.
Aamir I accept you and your social awkwardness
Yea I played against OCC Jouberts first year there.
Everyone just get back to basketball talk, he's a fraud and now everyone knows its a wrap im done.
And mikey v it's all good bro, I just had to prove my point.
I play varsity ball @ Lawrence North (Brandon Heath) & I'm pretty sure IB's profile name used to be tezo. I know who he is. He helps train w/ 100% Hoops here in Indy. I'm positive his family (Chris & Jeff Thomas) runs that training business & they train all of the best players in Indpls & Chicago. They're the best.All of them either played are or associated w/ basketball of some form. This website should help. http://www.100percenthoops.com/about.asp
Idk what level he played @ but the isu & vincennes combo makes sense because ive seen him w/ david ragland who was an assistant w/ vinceness and now at istate. i saw him on crutches too about durin the summer so im sure the knee issues are legit. good dude regardless.
My point was, I do not think everyone was attacking you. Because, they aren't. You love to throw things in other peoples face, but when it comes time to face the music you start calling people names and saying they aren't worth your time. That is not a good way to handle disagreements. It gets less than nothing accomplished.
All I was doing was trying to show you what led to these actions. You take this as an attack. Guess that is the usual.
i agree with aamir the indian
the dude pays his bills with being a trainer and seems he likes what he does....
whether hes lying or not..... doesnt matter to me....
Out of curiosity, did any of us history junkies out there realize that when I mentioned Muhhammed Ali in my joke that I wasn't reffering to the legendary boxer, but rather the political figure that was the head and founder of the Muslim league and advocated for a seperate Pakistan for Muslim, and poor Gandhi gave into him and all the other guys. They say that the other guys like Nehru also slyly played games and tried to get a seperate Pakistan, but the truth was that Gandhi was the only one that wanted to keep the country together, and the others kept pressuring him, and eventually he gave in, and one misconception is that his hunger srtrikes were only to get the British out. Although that is true, his hunger strikes were when he was toward the end of the line, and he did that because of how upset he was that Muslims and Hindus were fighting. Sorry about the off-topic history lesson, lol.
Boywonder you are a b*tch ass n*gga... *In my Riley Voice* what grown man go through all that ish to get another grown man caught in a lie??? The sad thing is you had to go back so far to find out EXACTLY what Indiana said and couldn't get it right... The argument was extremely flawed... MikeyV citing the post and STILL get what Indiana said wrong... No one is on here mentioning how Boywonder tried to pull his card and failed miserably??? The n*gga said Patrick lived and played in Illinois so he wouldn't play in an Indiana Pro-Am... LOL??? What?? Players play all over the country for different reasons... College Players ATTEND camps too... AND Indiana is NEXT to Illinois... Did you fools know D. Wade went to HS in Wisconsin but he's from Chicago??? Smh... If this was a court room Boywonder would be fired as the prosecutor... State FACTS before you come at somebody...
I have no problem with saying his JUCO was trash... The sh*t more than likely is... This is a basketball site where we debate how GOOD or BAD players are... Stop being sissys bruh... Str8 pussies...
tuck why are you opsessed with race? N*gga and white boy is what you say like every other word. Next your favorite words are idiots, pussies, sh*t, and mother f*cker.
You are an a$$hole/internet tough guy
i'm not taking any sides here, but i want everyone to know that this thread has brought me much joy today & i want to thank all involved.
LMAO. What is going on here....what happen to the good old days of talking basketball? WHERE IS THE LOVE
Whatever ur thoughts on this thread or the recent revelations, everyone should still value Indy as a poster. He has been a valuable poster on here for years and has a track record of displaying high bball knowledge. While u may have lost some respect for him as an individual, he is still one hell of a poster, and that opinion of him should not have changed.
I hope Indy continues to post at his usual rate and continue to provide great insight and persepective on bball. I still got love for the poster that is IndianaBasketball. Keep posting.
Tuck, think you missed the entire point of what I was saying. Want to see the exact exchange:
Tezo, serious question.
What was the biggest highlight of your career at ISU??
IndianaBasketball (who used to go by Tezo83, or ButlerBulldogs):
Easy... Tip dunk on Patrick O'Bryant, who was somewhat of a big deal in the MVC.
Yes, I wrote it down wrong. I should have written the exact quote. But, the question is more important to the context of why I did not think that answer was straight up. If you ask Jordan Crawford, "What was the biggest highlight of your career at Xavier?", and he said, "Dunking on LeBron James", that is pretty awesome.
BUT, that is not part of his career at Xavier. You would think a person would say something that happened while they were playing a game for their school. I felt it was misleading if you, even unfortunately, never got to play against Patrick O'Bryant in a MVC game. Plus, using the Boondocks as inspiration for your rant really did little for you.
When you post a lot on this site, we tend to get to know you as a person. Everyone has their limits of what they want to share and that is fine. I just know a lot of people wondered about his past with basketball and I think we would respect anything he said on the matter. If he said, "I never played a game because I got hurt", we would be cool with that.
To say, "You guys are stalking me because you want to know information about when I played in college basketball", just seems unnecessary. As preachy or high and mighty as I may think I am, I do not think I was attacking him and I also know people felt the same way as I do. We just want to know the story behind his playing days. This is not to stalk you, but because we are interested.
Just saying that so and so plays at a $hitty JUCO and than feeling he is being personally attacked just seems to be an excuse not to tell it.
What is opsessed??? Really??? If you are going to insult me at least spell words right... Or is it too "big" for you little guy??? Or better yet pu$$y, idiot, moron, n*gga, jackass, cornball!!!
I think he answered that question adequately, but he's a grown ass man and I won't continue to come to his defense... All I'm saying is he doesn't have ish to prove to anyone on his personal life... And if he feels that its invading his privacy then it is... You went and found a post that was made in 2010... My dude its 2012... You can very well insinuate that he meant he dunked on him in a regular season game BUT that's not what he said... And like I said if you are going to attack a man's character like BoyWonder did at least come with facts... Those need to be EXACT to a "T"... If you read what all BoyWonder came at him with in the beginning of this thread he has answered majority of the "Shady Facts", but clearly that's not enough??? In order for him to prove this last fact is to give out his personal info??? smh... You don't think that's bugging???
Hahahahah Tuck, easy there internet tough guy.
Dude, how? I admit I quoted it wrong, but it was not to attack his character. It was to say that he had claimed to do something during his "career at ISU" (that is what the question was) that was not part of his wearing a jersey for that school. I just found that weird, people usually would say something about there college teams accomplishment or something they did while playing at college.
Is it a big deal or the end of the world? No. Were my intentions to do anything close to assassinate his character? Not in the slightest. Just stating that this was written and that people just wanted to know details about his college playing career. Plus, how is he giving out personal info? His stats that are available on the internet? Or to know why there is no record of someone at that time playing for both Vincennes and Indiana State?
Yeah, that is SUPER shady on the part of the interested party. Glad you put things in place, tuck. Pick on someone saying "opsessed". I even said the guy did not have to give out any info! I just said, when you diss a guy and have given out places where you said you played, they have no right to see if that was the case? Tuck, you would do the same thing. "It's 2012" Tuck. Seeing that you can nitpick and all.
Finding posts about someone dunking on Patrick O'Bryant are really easy. So, someone can use the information that someone "stalked" (which was what Aamir basically did to get Boywonder32's JUCO stats), but than it is too much for them to give out that information. He could write it down if he does not want us to know. Ballpark it. The fact is, no one is stalking him and you just lack reading comprehension if you my intentions were to "attack a man's character". But, you have everything exact I guess. To a T.
I gotta say, its probably one of my favorite things when MikeyV takes the time to write you a narrative about how wrong you are in every way while still making it seem informative and classy lol.
Honestly, I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal out of this. Personally I'm not too big of a fan of IB but for the sole reason of his stance on Kevin Love but other than that I totally respect him and his opinion as a poster because he does have a very high basketball IQ which is kinda important for the game of basketball. So what if injuries limited him, he can still analyze a game of basketball. Ya'll make it seem like playing in college is everything (while it is pretty cool) when in reality, would you want someone like Javale Mcgee talking basketball with you? Try talking to him about why the triangle offense works. He'd probably come up with some of the most ignorant dumb sh*t you ever heard. But he could back it up because he plays in the NBA?
Honestly, this thread should've been locked or deleted. It's gotten to the point that it's become an insulting match with some people trying to play the peace-maker while others watching on.
All this energy could've been applied elsewhere.
Oh yeah Subpar?!... well... you're... dumb! Ha! (childish tuck243 voice)
You sound like my lil cousin(3yrs old) when she's throwing a temper tantrum shut up, you not tough.
let me just start by saying that i'm a frequent viewer of the site and it's my hands down favorite place to browse through some legitimate bball talk/debate,i don't have time to be a frequent poster so i've never seen use in creating an account,but i had to voice my disbelief over the development that occured in this thread. so boywonder,he called your junior college a piece of &$#%#&@!,i'm not saying that he's right to do so,but why do you care what some indiana basketball guy,that you don't even know,thinks about your junior college? you had to publicly call him out and throw anything you could find/think of at him,starting a riot against the guy,calling him a fraud and turning everybody against him...why? to get even? to feel better about yourself? hope you had a nice trip back to elementary school...nothing personal man,but you should've just taken the high road,i'm assuming you're a grown up,start acting like one. and y'all who plus one boywonder,and the rest of the mob,and negg indiana basketball...reason being that you don't like the guy,cause he made you look ignorant at times,or you resent him for some other reason...fight your own battles,voice your own opinions,don't just stand by and cheer them up. all you notable posters,namely rudeboy,nomoney,mcdunkin...way to just stand by and crack meaningless jokes when the guy is getting kicked while being down,nice,real class acts...keep your points,you showed your true colors here. it's a shame jnixon wasn't around to talk some sense and reason into y'all,unlike mikey's attempt to be a voice of reason that failed miserably...lengthy posts that are completely unnecessary in this kind of thread,constant bickering,emphasizing the obvious and ending up taking shots at indiana...and no mikey,i don't want to read your book reply,so don't even bother,i'm sure you called it as you've seen it,i call it as i see it,so we'll just have to disagree...i believe that your heart was in the right place,but your role in this thread was not a positive one. shout out to llperez,aamir,basketbalallan...who've played "the devil's advocate",swimming upstream,not just letting the current to drag them down along with everybody else. at the end of the day,just like tuck tried to state,if this was to be a legal case,boywonder wouldn't be able to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt,it's basically his word against indiana's,but no indisputable facts are presented...considering that,it's baffling that indiana is taking all this heat. respect indiana,hang in there and don't get downhearted by these bandwagon junkies/wannabe tough guys/attention whores...you're a top 3 poster on this site,with a high bball iq,insightful observations and actually relevant bball info...keep it up dude,you're a rare breed on this site. hope that these kind of threads won't start appearing here more often,cause this is a basketball forum,not a chat room for personal rants! smh
Good first post and Imma let you finish but... This quote is one of the most ironic things of all time, OF ALL TIME.
"lengthy posts that are completely unnecessary in this kind of thread,constant bickering,emphasizing the obvious and ending up taking shots at indiana"
Lengthy post from you basically saying everyone is in the wrong and making sure to name names as to who is specifically adding to it. Tell me, how's the view from your high and mighty horse?
I see you corrected my spelling. Thank you, but I do not need you to do that. This is an internet forum, not a college class. Now calling me out on my spelling would be a nice comeback if I was insulting your intelligence, but I was not doing that. I was actually insulting you as a person. I was insulting your personality. I was insulting your character. I was insulting you as a poster. You are the worst kind of poster. Instead of listening to another person’s view point, you just attack them for disagreeing with you. Often you sprinkle some choice words in your write ups. I have tried to tell you that it is possible to have a conversation without verbally assaulting someone, but you just can’t seem to wrap your mind around that crazy idea. O look, it looks like I did insult your intelligence. In my 20 years on earth, never once did I think I would grow up to be a garbage man, but since no one else will do it, it looks like I have to be the one to take out the trash.
Not to get in his business, more to his defense but i talked 2 some guys from the team @ school today who trained w/ 100%hoops and they said he had a livingston type knee injury & ended up up helping train @ istate so he didn't lose scholarship/grant $ to pay for school. he worked w/ basketball, football and baseball too. and after college he did an internship w/ the los angles dodgers. now he works w/ a eli lilly and tains part time. readin back on what hes said, i don't think hes made false claims. at leas tnot what ive read. i couldnt find any stats or accomplishments that he claimed. gotta give the man props to keep @ somethin else when he blew a knee and couldnt play.
I miss April Fools Day and I come back and I find that IndianaBasketball has not only been called out, but he has been SUCCESSFULLY called out, judging by the points on his posts compared to the points on BoyWodner's posts! IndianaBasketball's sterling reputation crumbling before my very eyes!
I still believe the man and I still respect him more than just about any other damn poster on this whole damn site.
^ That post by ProudGrandpa is everything wrong with this site; he based his entire assessment of the situation on the points allotment, when actually reading the comments would reveal that IB is more or less who he says he is, and the "case" made by boywonder is sloppy at best given that he doesn't actually know who IB is. Oh and there's the post made by an Indiana local which pretty much ended the debate about the veracity of IB or his connection to hoops in Indiana.
Don't mean to feed the fire, but people really need to read more than the thumbs before making judgments.
I did read parts of the posts (not all of it, that would take forever with guys writing essays the whole time) and I DO believe IB's story and that BoyWonder's argument is sloppy and I know that BOYWONDER MADE A THREAD SAYING HE WAS WRONG AND SHOWING ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF IB PLAYING. So, though IB may be adequately defending himself against these weak accusations, THE POINTS reveal to me that many of the other users DO NOT believe him. And that's a shame.
So, my friend, perhaps I am one of the few who is reading what IB is posting, when others are just looking at the large positive or large negative point totals and automatically thumbing up or down to match with the majority. So, chill...
Forgive me for interpreting this - "he has been SUCCESSFULLY called out, judging by the points on his posts compared to the points on BoyWonder's posts!" - as you making a judgment based on the points of posts.
If you knew all those things why make that post? Points grab if I've ever seen one, but okay, I'll go chill now lol.
When I say that he has been "Successfully" called out, I mean that he successfully convinced the majority of the other users that he is right and that IB is a fraud.
I just wish he would have approached things differently and tried to take the high road instead of going on the defensive. It just dug into a deeper hole. I admit, my posts after my first one did not help the matter, but Indiana is not the only person who feels disrespected by a posters tone at times. Also, Grandpa, if you actually watched the footage, you probably would feel like the kid in that avatar right now.
@PG; The emphasis on "successfully" was yours not mine, I was just quoting you verbatim, the latter part of the sentence is what I was referring to "judging by the points on his posts compared to the points on BoyWonder's posts!" about making judgments based on points.
@mikeyv; I think taking the high road was no longer an option after so many people bought into boywonder's madness, and his initial post wasn't too defensive in tone and I thought it countered about as many of boywonder's allegations as possible without compromising the privacy of his identity. It was only after people took his reluctance to reveal personal information as guilt that he started to get understandably frustrated and defensive, although once that line was crossed he did say some incendiary things. You two have butted heads like this before to no ill effect, I wouldn't worry about it, you're both still highly respected by the majority of users on here.
Garbage. This cat who started this thread is a child. 2 threads just to try and blast dude. Call me crazy, but it seemed to me that he attacked Indiana before Indy said anything to him. Commenting on dudes vid pumping a friend of his up should have had no need for a smart-ass douchey remark like "Whack post", especially when we've got a million posts about why so and so isn't in the 2012 mock draft a month after the 2011 draft. Just seems petty to me.
I wouldn't give my personal information out to someone who is in fact internet stalking me and quite possibly endanger myself or my family/friends. At this point it's not even about defending Indy, but simply talking some sense into the situation. I beg, nbadraft.net friends/enemies/newbies alike, let us all allow this immature thread(and the other one wonderBOY32 started) die in peace and not rehash it over and over. Let this be the last post made and lets kill it/nip it in the bud.
Damn... My knees aren't THAT bad! Yea, but I definitely busted my ass to get through college to keep some money. I was just blessed to have people willing to work with me and not leave me out to dry. And I did my internship with the minor league affiliate of the LA Dodgers, not the actual pro team, but a lot of their players got sent down, so it was coo. Hated every bit of working for a baseball team (basketball definitely my number one interest), but the networking was nice. Which AAU team are you playing for this summer and who do you train with?
I just don't get you dude... You steadily bring up how I wrote his JUCO was garbage, but just ignore why I wrote it. And then you're justifying a guy's reasoning, who doesn't know anything about me, for digging into my past and then trying to call me a "fraud" without knowing anything about the situations surrounding me. You think me plainly writing his JUCO was garbage justifies all of this? As a level headed person, I don't know how you're even okay with that... You say I could've handled it better and not gotten defensive, but my first couple of posts weren't defensive at all. I just don't get you... I doubt it is, but the fact you're excusing/ignoring so many factors makes it seem like it's personal or something. But to each is own.
Yea, it's weird how the "mob" jumped on me and everyone I thought was coo has been making jokes, etc. I didn't realize I had so many enemies on here, especially with the insight, etc that I try to give whenver I post. I'll still keep posting though because it's a solid hobby to do during some of my spare time.
It's nothing personal with Kevin Love.
Indiana, I feel the same way about you. I saw the whole thing break down. Do you know why you said his JUCO was garbage? Was it a good reason for doing so, or was it a defense mechanism over some petty, ridiculous words? You sunk down to his level and you got sucked into the quick sand.
I am not ignoring the fact that he was wrong for saying something like "wack post" (which is, honestly what started this), but the whole "he did this just to get a rep" thing was what brought this on. As someone who knows you well from this board, I just find it hard to believe you would not just give a breakdown than back away rather than keep going on the defensive.
Will say, do not think anyone has any interest in stalking you. We just wanted to know the details of your basketball career and what made it better than his "$hitty JUCO". I posed a simple question on that original thread that I believe was respectful, Boywonder32 decided to make a personal vendetta that was not overly cool. You choose to respond to this with saying he is a stalker.
The thing is, you are in llperez's fantasy basketball league. That may not be your name, but if it is we do not see it on any of there rosters. If you were hurt the entire time and still got a free ride, I am sorry. I think people just wanted to know more about your career. I think it would have brought more understanding and empathy rather than this ridiculous mess of a post that has everyone "choosing sides" (not quoting you, just saying I am not on either side) or hating on each other.
A.I's thing coming from you would have been excellent and would have made everyone side with you immediately. Writing about internet stalking and everyone teaming up on you, not so much.
Someone clearly spent a lot of time creating a lot of usernames to neg IndianaBasketball over and over again.
This is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen on this site...and that's saying A LOT.
Very interesting thread, to say the least.
My take on it, is this. To reinforce what LLperez said, it is true that boywonder kind of started it by being kind of a troll on Indiana's post about the EG video. However, the bottomline is this. If you are going to go on a sports forum with a bunch of random people from all over the world on it, and claim to be somebody, expect there to be someone who is going to look to validate your "career". Indiana, you called this dude out. Point blank. You are a great poster on this website, and always have been, but by calling him out for being a JUCO scrub, you basically initiated the fact that he decided to do some homework and attempt to find out who you really are. Can you call it "Stalker-ish", sure. But facts are facts, he brought into question what your deal was and you pretty much avoided directly explaining why the website fails to acknowledge a transfer from where you supposedly played at. Me, personally, I would go ahead and say my name if I had accomplishments. Maybe thats just me, and I respect you not wanting strangers looking into your stuff, but if you really wanted everyone on this website to shut up, you would just say here I am, this is me, shut up. It's immature and stalker-ish to devolge this far into someone's past, but its the internet. If you were as legit as you claim, it seems like it would be alot easier for you to show us some evidence of who you are. You are a grown man, releasing that information really can't be that damaging, a pedophile isn't going to show up at your door with a 6 pack anytime soon. But at the very least, you could provide some explanation for the points this guy makes, because I believe that is what is making it hard for others to believe your story.
Again, you are a great poster, and I respect you. And I personally will forget about this in about 15 minutes. But when people go this deep, the easiest way to debunk all these rumors is with clean evidence. Just sayin.
And to back that up, what mikeyv said is also true, I really believe no one on here wants to stalk you or do anything to your personal life. They are just wondering about the facts of you as a player.
Yeah, Beno hasn't been on this site in quite sometime...
that we know of.
Isn't this a sports forum where we talk about athletes and how good they are? What's wrong with somebody wanting to know where some of the posters played and how good they were?
We do the same amount of research of John Wall and Shabazz Muhammad and we're praised for digging deep into their personal life and information yet if it's done in reverse and a normal person goes through it, it's considered stalking?
Isn't this what sports is about? Digging deep and finding out new information about athletes? I mean, if you're really that scared of people finding out your sports information, or in IB case, the lack thereof, then why claim you play here and there?
This isn't going to change my opinion on his basketball knowledge because he's not a bad poster, yet it has hurt his credibility. Him using the whole "I played at a better JUCO than you! Ha!" technique where he rubbed it in peoples face has now been murdered and a lot of us now doubt whether or not he has met Eric Gordon, whether he has spoken to Eric Gordon, whether he has met these other basketball players he said he has. Is the information he gets from "talking" to them even credible anymore?
I think AI to 76ers pretty much answered the question about why there isn't a transfer on the ISU roster, not sure what there is to argue about anymore, BoyWonder is playing us all like a violin, yet we continue to turn a blind eye to that.