the bulls future
i've seen a lot of rediculous comments about the bulls. its crazy how many people love ben gordan. did people not see his game where he went 42 pts 0 reb 1 ass 0 blks 1 stl. how is that a good stat line again. yes he can score in bunches but he plays 0 defense and his man is usually right behind him in points. plus he has also turned down 10 and 11 million dollar per year contracts and is free to sign with whoever.
all the people who want to trade hinrich and deng obviously hate good defensive players. let's make that great defensive players. deng is the only sf we have on the team right now. salmons is too small to play sf with his average defense and did a horrible job guarding pierce. pierce averaged 23.1 points at 42.7%. salmons scores more efficiently and plays better defense than ben gordan tho for way less money next year.
also how does everybody love bj mullens at 16 and think he is going to produce in the nba. he averaged 8.8 points last year in the big 10 that had no dominating defensive presence. he averaged 8.8 and people think hes going to double that in the nba against nba players. he's aaron gray 2 i think we can pass on him.
that being said the only team needs for next season is a big man who can score down low and a backup sf/ insurancy policy to luol deng. he's missed significant time the past two seasons. they can possibly answer both in the draft but it might be hard getting the big man who can score. there is plenty of quality sf's
i like idealy drafting blair at 16. his 7'3'' wingspan more than makes up for his lack of height. he dominated one of the best defensive big men in college last year and his numbers are light years ahead of mullens in a tougher conference. noah will continue to start at center and get stronger and better and miller will be the backup for next year. a backup pf is the one thing the bulls dont have and its obviously better to have 4 big man who can play instead of 3. they should also be able to get a good backup sf in the draft. i like sam young personally. i think his offense is nba ready and i think he has a pretty good body to play sf. if blair is not around take budinger or james johnson at 16 and then take lawal,gibson,adrien,pendergraph,hansborough. i like gibson then hansborough outta them. hansborough equals hustle and role player which is needed with this pick
I dont know how much offense the frontline of Blair and Noah would give you, but there probably be a lot of Defensive Intensity and rebounds. I like youre James Johnson idea and possibly Hansborough later that would give them some depth. Let some other team overpay Gordon.
I think that 42 pt game sums up Ben Gordon very well. When he is on he can really, really score. And when he is really on he can do other things but score like...um...er...score?
i think blair and noah are a better offensive team than tyrus thomas and noah. dejuan blair bangs down low and thats the type of big man we need. one who actually scores in the paint.
paxson is bad at drafting players. he was just lucky the bulls got the number 1 overall pick last year. rose needs a post player to play with. i don't know who you want to keep in that roster but there's a lot of talent in that team. hinrich is too expensive to come off the bench. deng regressed this season. i think one of the primary reasons that people want gordon back is that he was one of the few who actually played well next to d-rose (they're a good inside-outside combo).
the bulls need a new coach. i dont think tyrus is strong enough to play the pf position, and not skilled enough to play the 3. if budinger falls, maybe the bulls can get him (some mocks project him at the mid to late 1st round). if amare's available. the bulls should call. hinrich, tyrus and might be enough to get gm kerr on the phone. if not, maybe tyrus for david lee in a sign and trade.
I think the Bulls have the right pieces and cap flexibility to do some damage this offseason. Bosh is a free agent in 1 year and Toronto doesn't want to lose him and get nothing in return, so I think the Bulls make a move. I think they should work out a sign and trade for Ben Gordon and package him with the 16th and Tyrus Thomas to bring CB4 to the Windy City. Once here, they can sign him to an extention and get the guy they want before 2010. That still leaves us with Hinrich, who I'd love to stay in Chicago, but for salary cap reasons, has to go. So, I'd suggest moving him for expiring contracts and sign a back up combo guard in free agency or a straight up Hinrich/Aaron Gray and the 26th pick for Travis Outlaw and Rudy Fernandez. Sounds good to me.
That's a sweet 8 man rotation in the East. All they'd need then is a steady back up PG. Dee Brown could be had for cheap.
Why would the Blazers do this trade?
Seriously, they are not going trade what they feel is 2 up and coming players for Hinrich and the 26th pick in a weak draft.
Some people just need to think.
Bulls need to keep BG and get rid of HInrich...Hinrich is injury prone,he is 2 years older,he is our backup making 9.5 mil, he is inconsistant,Rose is only going to get better...we dont need him as much as we do BG. Marcus Thornton at #26 would be a great replacement for Hinrich. BG needs to stay or else the Bulls arent going to win much games. He is the leading scorer of the team for the last 4 years. Salmons is a FA next year...he will be looking for big money...Bulls arnt going to give a 30year old big money. Re-sign BG. Trade Hinrich and Tyrus in a package for Bosh.
well most of you are. john salmons is under contract for two more years and is only making 5 mil plus for the next two years while ben gordan has turned down multiple contracts that are double that amount. ben gordan is only better at scoring at the end of games and a slightly better free throw shooter. thats it..salmons is better at every other aspect of the game. ben gordan is an unrestricted free agent so there is no sign and trade for him. hinrich is not injury prone besides this last season he has only missed 9 games in the two seasons prior to that. luol deng is borderline injury prone and needs to prove he can stay healthy during the season. if he doesnt this next season coming up then i would be open to trading deng but he is are only sf and are best wing defender. marcus thorton does not play point guard and i would rather not see a rookie point guard again. hinrich can teach a lot more to rose than any rookie.
a backup sf is a must in the draft so we can answer that with one of are draft picks. luol deng doesnt have much trade value after being hurt the past two seasons and has a bigger contract than he has been playing. the small forward we draft will be perfect insurance policy to deng. if we cant get blair at 16 i like trading tyrus thomas and a pick for a pf who plays with-in his own potential and plays in the post. thomas would be a good backup tho when we get the big man in 2010 free agency if he could accept that roll. i dont think thomas would accept a backup spot tho and prolly needs to get traded. i would hate to see him in a contract year. i also personally like amare more than bosh. a center is harder to come by. amare knee has seemed healthy and his eye was a fluke injury. not something you worry about happening again
Fact is...Hinrich is going to be losing minutes from here on out. Rose will be getting 30+ minutes from now on. Salmons has proved he can play 30+ minutes...why pay Hinrich that kind of money to sit the bench. Looking at the stats this year...Gordon has actaully averaged the same amount of Assist as Hinrich did and Hinrich actaully average more turnovers then Gordon in less minutes. You have to keep Gordon and make him your 6th man. He would be torching guys coming off the bench...and also his defense wouldnt be such a issue either, playing against guys with less talent in the 2nd units. Hinrichs numbers are falling while Gordons numbers are getting better and better every year. If your investing your money go with Ben Gordon and just draft a solid backup PG with your 26th pick. You cant just lose 20ppg and think your ok...5-10ppg you can make up for that...BUT 20ppg no way...your defense better have gotten a whole lot better from last year.
Blair is just a undersized PF with no jump shot....ill go with Mullens.
They need a big man and Mullens would be the best choice. They have Brad Miller so they can afford to give him a year to develop. Also Ben Gordon is too expensive right now, and they will have too little minutes on the perimeter once Deng comes back. they are alreadly looking to trade Hinrich to Portland and who knows they may get Frye in that deal because Frye is a free agent only if Frye accepts that though. Portland has lot of talented backup points that would work with the bulls like blake who once HInrich came onboard would not get many minutes. I just tried a Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw Trade for Kirk Hinrich and it works obviously you can add draft picks and players to this to make it work more easily for both teams but this trade would give Portland their starting point and give Chicago 2 talented backups to key positions. After this trade all they would need would be some more bigs and they would be a better and well put together team. I hope this move is made.
blair has a 7'3 wingspan. there are 6'9 guys that have 7'0 wingspans. blair is essentially as tall as them. if they both stood straight up there fingers would touch the ball at the same time. so how is he undersized again. because you care about height which really doesnt matter.
there is 96 minutes to go around for 3 players at the pg,sg spot. that equals 30+ for rose, 30+ for salmons, and 36- for hinrich. plenty of minutes to go around for hinrich. hinrichs contract is 9.5 mil, then 9 mil, then 8 mil. its decreasing overtime.
y would you pay ben gordan 12 mil plus a year to be john salmons backup. he cant play the point and salmons cant play the 3. hinrich was hurt this year and had to adjust to being a backup. he still had .5 more assist and .7 less turnovers in ten less minutes. now that we have salmons who can replace ben's scoring and rose who can replace gordan as the guy to take it over in the end there is no need for him.
gordan scores 20 pts im guessing his man scored 30. its not a winning formula. the bulls need an insurancy policy to deng and a backup big man in the draft. they cant waste a pick on a backup pg
pg- derrick rose
sg- john salmons
sf- luol deng
pf- tyrus thomas
c- joahkim noah
pg2- kirk hinrich
sg2- kirk hinrich
sf2- sam young/terrence williams/dejuan summers
pf2- dejuan blair
c2- brad miller
backup sf and backup big man can be answered in the draft. i dont see how the bulls can get a better team than that. trades are always possible but there team is fine without making one here. people underrate defense. defense wins championships.
I think Deuan Blair is nice but two things. I don't see him fitting with the Bulls Especially when the picked up Mike Sweetney who was also wide and slightly undersized and did not work for them. They will take a young big man to develop in Mullen and any combination of the best available swingman at the other pick unless they can trade and get a veteran but I think they will keep the people they have and let Gordon go and and just add some draft picks and maybe trade some of their bench that are not playing for depth. They can go after a start player in 2010 when Miller contract come off the books.
I like Gordon and think it would be in the Bulls best interest to resign him. However, there is no way they should offer him one penny more then what they already did last summer. If Gordon thinks he can get more then 10 mill a year(especially in todays economy) then I think he is wrong. The funny thing is I think Ben looked at the 10 mill the Bulls were offering as a safety net in case no on else stepped up and offered more. But now with Salmons in the mix and Deng returning, the Bulls might just lower the offer even more and tell Gordon good luck with the market. It could prove to be a big backfire on Gordon's behalf.
If the Bulls are considering trading Hinrich for a post prescence( Al Jefferson) then they should consider picking up Nick Calathes with the 26th pick(if they dont trade it away). He is a talented PG/SG out of Florida and has good height too(6'5")
Please tell me you did'nt just suggest the possibility of a Hinrich for Al Jefferson trade?
Jdubsram, you have been banned from posting for 3 days, see you then.
Jdubsram, you have been banned from posting for 3 days, see you then.
Im back. And yes I was suggesting hinrich for Jefferson
Tyrus Thomas and Joah Noah cannot coexist because non of those two can score but can do everything else like rebonding, defense, and blocking shots.
Salmons is a FA next year...do you think the Bulls will re-sign him for 10+ mil when he is 30 years old? Im not sure...if they dont then they are stuck with Kirk Hinrich at the 2 guard. Hinrich averaged more Turnovers this season then Gordon did in less minutes.Hinrich is a solid all around player...but he doesnt give the same impact as Gordon does...Gordon is a game changer while Hinrich is just a very good role player. I would not give Gordon 12 mil...no way...like another person said, offer him what they did last season or up too like 9 mil...similair to what Jason Terry makes. Gordon would be going for the 6th man of the year every single year.
Trade- Hinrich,Tyrus, Tim Thomas Contract, and a future 1st rounder FOR Chris Bosh and Kapono
Re-Sign- Ben Gordon
Draft-Mullens and a backup PG with the 26th pick
Rose, Marcus Thornton (6'4)/Nick Calathes (6'5)/Patty Mills/Holiday/Teague...whoever is there
Blair is 6'6 300 pounds though...if he goes a offseason without working out very hard, the guy will just be a big blob. In 4 years his vertical will just get worse and worse...ill pass on him. His long arms will just commit dumb fouls imo.
everything you said should not be taken into account at all. again john salmons is not a free agent. hinrich did not average more turnovers. everybody is now dumber for reading your comment. i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul
he is 6'6 287lbs i think. his long arms didnt commit dumb fouls in college. he produced in college and dominated the best defensive presence coming into this draft. he fits with the bulls because he scores down low. he will slow down the bulls offense like brad miller does. its no big deal. they actually will have a guy who can free up shooters and score in the paint. plus he wont start so you dont have to worry about him gettin tired.
first it is just a forum, no need to call people idiots. i like your plan for the most part. i say get rid of bg. start hinrich at the 2, a little undersized but gives great defensive effort. and deng at the 3, who when healthy is a solid defender and can give you 17ppg, and 7rpg. so starting would be rose, hinrich, deng, thomas, and noah. which is a great defensive lineup with improving offense. now the 16th pick is tough but since hinrich is starting draft ty lawson or eric maynor as backup pg. then later grab a big ala hansborough or pendergraph or sf like tyler smith, dejuan summers, or t williams. because not all weaknesses can be filled in 1 draft. so u have your starting lineup with salmons, miller, lawson, and other draft pick. getting a bosh or amare will be tough or they would already have one. this is what i would do if i couldn't trade for a bigman. tell me what you think.
i like starting salmons over hinrich. with no big man who can score salmons is the number 1 offensive option. rose will be a big option too but salmons is a 20 ppg scorer. i think hinrich can backup pg and the sg and no reason to draft either one. hinrich,rose,salmons is a good combo for the pg,sg and even if they start hinrich. he can still play point when salmons comes in. i think the sf they draft will be able to play shooting guard possibly. sam young and terrence williams are g/f. idk if young/williams are good enough to defend a top notch sf. they are 6-6 like salmons is and i worry about who will be able to guard a player like paul pierce if deng was to get hurt again.
in my mock draft i have the bulls taking chase budinger. he is a sf before sg. at 26 i think they would take hansbrough/lawal. maybe they should just take the best possible player at 26 if they cant get blair at 16. i dont think they need hansbrough or lawal. i dont think those players will produce in the paint but i like hansbrough tho. he is a perfect role player on any team.
i also dont think they should trade for a big man unless they get areally good deal on a player that is expected to leave there current team. they are going to be able to get a big man the year after. how much is it worth trading for a big man to have him a year earlier. rose and bosh/amare are going to be the stars of the team. time to put some role players on it. tyrus thomas is the only player who isnt willing to accept that he is a role player. so they should prolly get rid of him.
rose, noah, hinrich, deng, salmons will be the only people on the roster when the big free agency happens. tyrus has a qualifying offer but they should dump him. the rest of the players are solid players to put around the new guys coming in. they can prolly sign 2 big names in that free agency too.
John Salmons has a players option on his contract for this offseason. Considering he is either being paid exactly what he's worth or a little under, then there is reason to believe he may opt out. But if the Bulls and Chris Bosh were able to convince Toronto that Bosh will be coming here anyway and we can get him a year early, Salmons may actually have a bigger role than he could get anywhere else. Also, John Salmons is absolutely a 3. He is no where near quick enough to guard most 2 and his handles are far too suspect to be considered a guard. He may be a little undersized at the 3, but he's a matchup problem on offense for most 3's.
Kirk should stay. He is an ideal running mate (sans consistent jumper) for D Rose and a more than adequate backup if we do end up with a 2. There is a reason Kirk has such a high trade value (his declining contract has already been mentioned), but with Derrick Rose needing someone to push him in practice and show him the ropes Kirk has way too much value here unless (again) it lands the Bulls Bosh.
Let Ben walk unless he accepts less than 7 mil and a role off the bench. There isn't another playoff team that he could start for.
Loul's contract sucks for the Bulls and unless Portland is still in love with him (or maybe Scott Skiles and the Bucks? doubt it) he's gonna be around; healthy or not.
I don't kno anyone who would pay a 6'2 ball hog 10 million a year, he's a freaking drive killer... He shoulda took the 11 mil last year... The bulls need scorers, they OVERRPAID Deng with that 12 mil a year contract for 6 years... I don't see him making it to the All-Star game anytime soon...
They need to get faster and athletic because the only people that can do that is Rose and Tyrus... With a fast PG like Rose, they need more athletic players around him...
I would say a low post scorer but there isn't any in this draft at their spot, and they don't need another hustle man... Tyrus and Noah can do that...Derozan would be nice at that spot if he slides or maybe Chase... Harden would be a perfect fit...
To be honest the best thing they need is for EVERYONE on their roster to develop especially Tyrus... If he can get his jumper to Glen Davis level then he would be golden... But the number one thing to do is GET RID of Ben Gordon ASAP... I've watched that whole series and regardless of the big games and big shots, he still showed me that he only cares about himself... He played for a contract that series, he didn't care about winning... You can see it in his face....
Salmons is a FA next year...so if he leaves, then what do you do? Have Hinrich be you starting SG? No way. Some one made a great point...Hinrichs value is high right now...So get rid of him! People are thinking he is better then he really is, his value might not be any higher then it is right now. Blair is a good college player because he isnt going against guys that are 6'10 260 or 7 footers...he will be solid but he isnt what we need. And like i said, in a couple of years, as his legs get older, his jump will get worst. And What do you do with a guy thats 6'6 290 with no jump shot? Big Baby is succeeding because he can shoot. I see Blair being a better Tractor Traylor.
Blair will be a very average player in this league. Is he 6'6.
Think Elton Brand or David West and Blair does not have the Jumpshot that they do.
Neither are stars and I would not put Blair on there level.
You want to win a chip right.
Who has won a chip with a 6'8 or smaller big butt power forward.
None. Your PF has to be 6'9-6'10 and have the ability to run the floor.
Thomas does that. His jay is getting better.
If they can count on him to run pick and roll what more could you ask for out of your PF.
The bigger problem is Deng and Noah.
Two players with limited offensive games.
You've got one superstar in the making with Rose. .
That leaves you three positions to find another star.
One of these players Deng, Noah. or Salmons can be replaced.
That's what they need to concentrate on.
I hope they don't make a stupid move like the Sixers.
Signing the wrong player because they think they are close.
You have to remember Garnet did not play.
If I was them I would not bring Gordon back.
I would try to sing and trade him.
Just don't send him to Philly.
I would love to see you get Tyreke to play with Rose.
Now you have two guys who can run pick and roll get to the basket at will and initiate your offense.
Deng the defensive SF for Lebron, Noah clogging the middle with Thomas helping form the weakside.
its just an idea, i just think the bulls will need scoring off the bench so draft best available player and let it work itself out. they have most of the pieces they need to be successful just need 1 or 2 role players and experience
i dont see anywhere that salmons can opt out of his contract. i heard that he can opt out the year after but is under lock and key for the year coming up. blair dominated the best college defender in 7'3'' thabeet. whoever else he dominated he dominated the best college had to bring at him. while b.j. bum mullins only averaged 8.8 points against these non 6'10 260 or 7 footers. blair is only 20,21. how is his legs going to get worse in a couple years. when he is at the old age of 23,24. blairs 7'3'' reach makes him taller than he really is. how many smaller than 6'9 players have that kind of reach. name one please before you try to compare him to a player of similiar height. also i think blair should only be a backup for the bulls. he shouldnt play starter minutes.
whoever tried to say salmons is a 3. sg and sf handle the ball on the wing just as much. salmons dribbles fine and gets to the lane with his dribbling. its not like he is going to bring the ball up the court. pierce is slow an easy to go by now. but he is still too big for salmons. salmons is a matchup problem on defense for the bulls against most 3's too. he should only play sf sparingly. this is the nba not college. sf should only be 6-7 to 6-10 unless they got freakishly long arms which make up for lack of height.
the problem with the bulls in the celtics series was there defense. they scored plenty of points. is 12 million really that much for a top notch defender and somebody who can average 17pts and 7reb. maybe a little much but no one would say a word about deng if he stayed healthy. not being able to stay on the court is the only problem with deng
most of my thoughts about what the bulls should do is already posted but im not opposed to taking budinger at 16 and then still taking terrence williams or sam young at 26. 26 should be the best possible player young or williams could eventually take over sg once salmons contract is up
I want both those guys on the Bulls front-line come next season!!!
May be going down soon?