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Bulls 2 1st Round Picks

With 2 mid-late 1st Round picks, and Deng, Hinrich and possibly Tyrus Thomas as bait, what will the Bulls wind-up doing to better their team? They need to add another player or 2 to their rotation and need to build around Rose. What would it take to land Bosh? How about Deng, Thomas and a 1st round pick? If they re-sign Gordon, they would have Rose, Hinrich, Gordon and Salmons who could also play small forward. They would have Bosh, Noah and Miller in the frontcourt and could draft either a small forward or Hansborough who will be a solid if not spectacular pro for a long time. He also fits the Bulls recent formula of draftees. If they fail to sign Gordon, I'd like to see them grab Ellington at 16 if they keep the pick. Any rumors????


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If Toronto was willing to

If Toronto was willing to trade Bosh I think that trade would do it. But I think Hinrich is an underrated part to the Bulls success. He actually did a better job guarding Pierce than Salmons did in the series. You didnt miss Deng last year and would be upgrading at PF from Thomas to Bosh. Nice Trade.

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League-wide appeal

I am a Bulls fan and have a different view of Bulls players than those around the league. How are Deng, Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas viewed around the league in terms of value in a trade? Thomas has unlimited potential. If his shot selection would improve, he would be an unbelievable player. No reason why a man with his size and hops should be 15 feet from the basket. Hinrich is versatile and tough. Not a great talent, but a very nice guy to have on a team. Deng......who knows. Could be 18 pts. and 7 boards or out for months with a wimpy injury.

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Both picks to The Suns for

Both picks to The Suns for Barbosa and Stoudemire.

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I wish you were Suns G.M.

That would be a gift and would put the Bulls among the elite teams. I think Kerr left the Bulls on a good note, but not THAT great of a note!

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take blair at 16 and young

take blair at 16 and young at 26.

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No way the Suns would give

No way the Suns would give up Barbosa and Stoudemire for #16 and 26. You also have to take salaries into account when proposing trades.

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agree

i like the trade a lot if the raptors were to trade bosh. I think the raptors have been pretty high on deng for awhile so i can see a trade like that happening. as well as at the end of the season interview the raptors GM had said he was probably going to look to get more draft picks. i also agree with knicksfreak that hinrich is highly underrated and i think is very coachable. I think he could be a starting PG on a different team. as for what the bulls should do i would like to see them get someone who can stretch out the defence like ellington (if he is still there) as well as some more inside presence if they do not get bosh from the raptors (cuz i am not sure weither or not the raptors want to trade bosh or not as even tho he did not want to sign an extension he can still sign next summer for more money than his extension. especially since bosh wants a max contract)

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Ellington

I would love to see the Bulls get Ellington especially if Gordon leaves. Ellington may be the best shooter in the draft other than Curry. I love N.C players and the last time the Bulls drafted a shooting guard from N.C. who played on a NCAA championship team, it was M.J. Yeaah, I know Ellington is no Jordon, but Ellington would stretch the d. Hansborough also has a place in the NBA and if he's there at 26, I'd love to get both Tarheels. Too bad they don't have a third #1. They could grab Lawson while they are at it! Budinger is also appealing. Great athlete and 3 point shooter. Hard to believe he lacks a mid-range game and his defense isn't up to par. I think he may make a very good pro.

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Trade Hinrich & 26th pick to

Trade Hinrich & 26th pick to the TWolves for Craig Smith, Telfair, Brewer
Trade Deng & 16th pick to the Nets for Simmons, Chris Douglas Roberts, 11th pick
Don't re-sign Ben Gordon. Sign free agent Rashad McCants.
Trade Salmons & the 11th pick to Golden State for Anthony Randolph & Stephen Jackson

PG- Rose, Telfair
SG-McCants, Douglas Roberts, Brewer
SF-Randolph, Jackson, Corey Brewer, Simmons
PF-Thomas, Smith
C-Noah, Miller

Now that would be a fun team to watch not to mention a very good team that would go deep in the playoffs.

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@gatorheels

I don't understand the trades. I really think they are terrible for different reasons. I think that the Bulls are a SIGNIFICANTLY worse team while also adding 2 guys in Telfair and Stephen Jackson who have been nothing but trouble since they got into the league. I mean, how on earth could you actually think that this Bulls team could go deep into the playoffs? One guy who was arrested multiple times for gun possession and kicked off his team and another who has been suspended multiple times? Neither of which have ever been to an All-Star game? I swear it's like you are taking the worst parts of the TERRIBLE Minnesota Timberwolves and adding them to the Bulls for Deng and Hinrich who have been starters on the Bulls for half a decade.

1. Hinrich and #26 for 3 guys who the Bulls don't really want/need. Telfair hasn't done anything in the league and I don't know why the Bulls would want to put a project (probably will always be a project) with a troubled past behind Rose. Brewer hasn't done anything in the league, is coming off an injury plagued season, is known for defense and if the Bulls wanted that kind of player they could have found some room for Thabo. I barely even remembered there was a Craig Smith in the NBA until just this minute. So, the Bulls are trading away a 4-year starter and their best perimeter defender for 3 guys who might not contribute EVER in the NBA. Oh, and they are throwing in a draft pick for the fun of it.

2. Deng for Simmons, CDR, and #11? So, they best guy there is Deng. Simmons has an expiring contract, yes. But, the Bulls were offered Bobby Simmons for Hughes last year and they instead opted to take Jerome James and Tim Thomas, two guys who they knew weren't going to play. CDR could offer them a whopping 4,1, and 1.

3. Rashad McCants to replace Ben Gordon? Why would the Bulls take McCants, who hasn't been a factor in this league ever? He's consistently averaged around 10 points per game. You are getting rid of a 20 + point scorer in Gordon, you are getting rid of an 18 point scorer in Salmons, and you are putting a 10 point scorer in McCants. I don't think that he is going to start on an NBA team this year, hardly the kind of guy that you ship 2 legit starting SG's out of town for.

Now, you take the 11th pick in a crappy draft and Salmons for the troubled Stephen Jackson who has had suspensions from the league and multiple fights with gun possessions, one of which was where he fired his gun outside of a strip club and was suspended 7 games not even 2 seasons ago (oh and his contract goes for another 3 seasons at about $9 mil per, ending when he's 35) and you get him to back up Anthony Randolph, who is a really good player that the Warriors have absolutely no reason to trade. I would love to have him on the Bulls, but he hasn't done anything in the league yet. This trade is actually lopsided in the Bulls favor in the long run, with most people thinking that Golden State is giving away too much. All of that to give away a guy who the Bulls KNOW is a good fit in Salmons (which is sometimes not always the case after a trade). It's like the Bulls are just moving players around for no reason.

Of course, Stephen Jackson has decent career numbers. But why would the Bulls move 23 year old Deng for 31 year old Jackson when:

Jackson Career: 15.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.3 spg
Deng Career: 15.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 2.2 apg, 1.0 spg
Simmons Career: 9.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.7 apg, 0.9 spg

Shooting Guards, Gordon + Salmons Out, McCants In ?

Gordon Career: 18.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.8 spg 2008-09: 76 starts, 20.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.5 apg, 0.9
McCants Career: 10.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.3 apg, 0.7 spg 2008-09: 3 starts, 9.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.2 apg, 0.8
Salmons Career: 8.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.4 spg 2008-09: 79 starts, 18.3 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.1

Yes, Deng makes $3,000,000.00 more a year than Jackson, which I guess would buy the Bulls 8 years worth of potential and also ZERO gun possessions and crowd riots. Simmons makes $10,500,000.00 in 2009-2010 before his contract is up, while combined with Jackson's $7,600,000.00 have the Bulls paying about the same as the combo of Salmons/Deng at the SF.

Yes, McCants makes less than Gordon will command, while John Salmons makes a barely-over rookie scale salary of $5,500,000.00 in 2009-10 and only $5,800,000.00 in 2010-11

You have 4 small forwards coming to the Bulls, none of which have been starters in the league except the troublesome Jackson. You bring a troublesome project PG to the team who doesn't provide the defense the Bulls would be missing without Hinrich or the offense he can provide for that matter. He has never shown that he can be an effective back-up except for only 1 season on a TERRIBLE team that had no playoff aspirations and is never going to start. The best small forward of the whole bunch is Luol Deng, the best shooting guard of the bunch is Gordon, the second best shooting guard is Salmons, and the best point guard exchanging teams is Hinrich. The four best guys you have leaving and the only person coming to the Bulls is Anthony Randolph, who's 36 minute average is about what Luol Deng will already provide. Stephen Jackson probably wouldn't even play on the team with John Paxson and Vinny Del Negro (and with Skiles in the past) choosing to keep away players who they feel aren't high character guys. I know that ex-teammates claim Stephen Jackson is a good teammate and Don Nelson claims that he is one of the best people he's ever met, but how can all of his transgressions not set some sort of precedent? I don't think that team would be fun to watch and they wouldn't even make the playoffs. They would be one of the worst teams in the league. They are giving away 4 starters and bringing in 1 starter. They are getting rid of good citizens and bringing in guys who have been arrested for guns and suspended for fighting with fans and coaches. Oh, and they aren't really getting much long term salary relief. I just don't understand the logic. I don't want to sound like a total dick, but this is the worst trade scenario that I have seen. I think that Gar Heard would be fired, unless his motivation is to win the 2010 draft lottery. Please, tell me your logic because it seems that other people agree with you here and I am just floored by that. Are you looking at statistics? Yes, Anthony Randolph has a CHANCE to be a good player, but it's not like he is a lock to even make 1 all-star game in his career. He started 25% of the games for his non-playoff team. What was he, the 8th or 9th best rookie last year after Rose, Mayo, Westbrook, Beasley, Gasol, Love, Brook Lopez, Eric Gordon, and maybe DJ Augustin or even Jason Thompson? I don't think that the Bulls would give up Salmons just for him. Maybe they would, but they would probably have to throw in their 2009 1st rounder if the Bulls are going to take Stephen Jackson off their hands, who is signed until 2013 when he'll be over 35. You have the Bulls giving UP a pick. How on earth would this team have beat the Celtics in the playoffs last year? You haven't even traded for low post scoring, unless you are counting on 6'7'' Craig Smith to be a difference maker. I am open to a lot of trade scenarios but there is absolutely nothing that I can see here that makes any sense. I have had a frown on my face from the second I read Hinrich & #26 for 3 terrible, fringe NBA guys. Those guys are going to struggle to have a 10 year NBA career. All of them. Deng and # 16 for another 2 guys who won't start on ANY of the 2008-2009 playoff teams. Have you never seen Luol Deng play? I mean, Bobby Simmons had one decent season which was out of character. Luol Deng had one so-so season, which was his worst as a pro. Stephen Jackson is a total punk, which is a shame because that dude can REALLY PLAY! Plus, he's a really good defender.

Look, Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon were the core of a team that made 3 straight playoff appearances. I don't think that I am overvaluing them here at all. I mean, at what point do they get any credit for winning the majority of their basketball careers? The majority of the guys you have coming to the Bulls haven't even sniffed the post-season and haven't even been on a winning team in their NBA career. The only person coming to the Bulls that has any REAL long term value was barely in the Top 10 out of his rookie class at the end of the season.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I AM MISSING HERE! How on earth would this team even make the playoffs? These moves would be talked about in the same breath as the Pau Gasol trade as some of the worst in NBA history.

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what about?

what about sending deng, hinrich, and thomas to phoenix for amare and barbosa? then sending the two picks, barbosa, and miller to the clippers for kaman

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Bosh, Dirk, Amar'e or Trade Up and Bye Kirk?

CHRIS BOSH?

3 Team Trade Proposal:

To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Julian Wright
To Raptors: David West, Luol Deng and a 1st Round Pick
To Hornets: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas (hometown kid)

* It rates out a +4 for the Bulls, an even trade for the Raptors and +2 for the Hornets

DIRK NOWTIZKI?

4 Team Trade Proposal:

To Bulls: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kapono, Patrick O'Bryant, and Julian Wright
To Mavs: Chris Bosh and Tim Thomas
To Raptors: David West, Luol Deng and a 1st Round Pick
To Hornets: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas (hometown kid)

* It rates out a +2 for the Bulls, +1 for the Mavs, an even trade for the Raptors and +2 for the Hornets

AMAR'E STOUDEMIRE?

2 Team Trade:

To Bulls: Amar'e Stoudemire and Alando Tucker
To Suns: Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas and maybe a pick

* It rates out +1 for the Bulls and even for the Suns

TRADING UP?

How about trading #16 and #26 to Golden State, who is looking for a PG, for their pick at #7? The Bulls could target either DeJuan Blair or DeMar DeRozan?

BYE KIRK?

I heard the possiblity of the Bulls trading Kirk Hinrich to Minnesota for at least one of their 1st round picks, maybe two (#18 and/or #28)? I guess the Bulls are high on Terrence Williams and Sam Young, which makes sense, so getting Minnesota's picks at #18 and #28 could land them each one of those guys.

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Good Ideas, But...

Ben Gordon cannot be traded. He's an Unrestricted FA. As of Game 7 vs. the Celtics, he's no longer a Bull.

Mark Cuban loves, I mean LOVES Dirk. No way Dirk ever leaves Dallas unless he opts out for FA.

The Bulls played so well against down the stretch and against Boston that I don't see them doing anything drastic with their core. Expect Hinrich and Thomas to be wearing Bulls uniforms next season. I could see the right deal for Deng, but it'd have to be something unique, maybe involving Antawn Jamison.

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Trading Hinrich for 3

Trading Hinrich for 3 benchwarmers hurts the bulls

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BG7 - Sign and Trade

BG7 can be traded through a sign and trade.

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Don't trade Tyrus. ha How

Don't trade Tyrus. ha

How do you know how the trade rates for each team??

I would trade Hinrich for picks 18 & 28 in a second, I wouldn't even have to think about it.

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Hinrich is better than

Hinrich is better than anyone you can get at 18 or 18. He is a very underrated player for the Bulls.

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I don't know dude, I am not

I don't know dude, I am not to impressed by Hinrich. Telfair would be a good backup to Rose which the Bulls need. Also Smith gives Chicago some interior toughness. Brewer is a defensive specialist who can also hit 3's when he is open. Even though they might all come off the bench they provide some high quality depth. Plus Brewer is still young and could develop into the player everyone was expecting him to be.

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Trading up?

I like the idea of trading #16 and #26 to Golden State for #7. With G.S. looking for a PG, as well as having strong interest in Budinger and the Bulls in need of a big-man like Blair or a SG to play with Rose this deal could make sense.

I'm pretty sure G.S. can find a PG at #16 and chances are Budinger could drop to #26. On the otherhand, unless the Bulls trade up and get ahead of the Raptors, the Nets, the Bucks, the Pacers and the Suns, I can't see them getting their hands on Blair or DeRozan.

If I were JP or GF, I would BE AGGRESSIVE and go get the guy I want.

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I disagree, I could find at

I disagree, I could find at player at 18 that will be better than Hinrich eventually. Summers, Williams, Young.

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Hinrich defended Pierce

Hinrich defended Pierce better than Salmons did in the playoffs. He is a smart player who can shoot. He has no weaknesses. He does everything well and he has good size at the point. Telfair is an undersized and overhyped player.

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I just don't think Golden

I just don't think Golden State would want to do that trade. Golden State would much rather have Flynn, DeRozan, Evans, Jennings, etc... over Budinger & Lawson/Maynor.

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Yeah Telfair is overhyped

Yeah Telfair is overhyped and overrated but he is a pretty good backup.

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Jennings dropping

I'm not so sure about what G.S. would do. I saw an article about Budinger liking it there and the feeling could be mutual. Plus, a lot of mocks and/or sites have Jennings dropping.

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Hinrich and the T-wolves

Maybe the Bulls can pry the #6 pick from the T-Wolves by using Hinrich and their picks as bait?

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Blair, Young and T-Will

Step 1.) Trade #16 and #26 for #7 and get DeJuan Blair

Step 2.) Trade Hinrich to the T-Wolves for #18 and #28 and get T-Will and Sam Young

JP and GF...get it done!!!

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I like

Gatorheels trade scenario was actually a good looking trade

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Hinrich

Once again, Hinrich is one of the best defenders in the league. If it weren't for the Bulls winning the lottery with a 1.7% chance (worst odds to win EVER) and drafting the ONLY TRUE PG to be taken #1 in the NBA Draft since Magic Johnson, Kirk Hinrich would be going on his 7th straight season of starting for the Bulls. A team that went to the playoffs 4 of the last 5 seasons. He would be in the consistent playing rotation on almost every team in the NBA. I am not saying that he would start, although he would start for many NBA teams, but he would be in the rotation for almost every team.

If someone in this draft, after the 18th pick, is on the All-NBA Rookie First team this year, he will be considered a steal. Hinrich was on that team in 2003 along with Bosh, Wade, LeBron, and Carmelo. Have you not actually seen Kirk Hinrich play?

Oh, and Kirk Hinrich was on the 2006-2007 NBA All-Defensive team. 2 seasons ago? So he can give you:

GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
Career 440 380 34.1 .415 .380 .814 3.4 6.1 1.3 .2 13.9

Those aren't amazing numbers, but they show that he isn't a scrub on offense and has been voted by other NBA coaches as a great defender. Does defense and basketball IQ mean nothing? How about when you can give 15 points and 6 assists? Oh, and his playoff numbers are even better. When he was the full-time starter he put in 20 and 7 in the playoffs.

I mean, seriously Hinrich for #18 and #28? I seriously don't think you guys have watched Hinrich play. I don't think that #6 for Hinrich is going to happen, but I would be less surprised at Hinrich for #6 than I would with Hinrich for #18 & #28. I think that 2 or 3 point guards are going to pan out from this draft, although people act like 7 or 8 guys from every draft are going to make it. If 3 guys from this draft are doing more at the PG position than Hinrich in the next 4 years it would be a MAJOR shock. I mean, tell me 1 guy from this draft who can stop Paul, Williams, Parker, Devin Harris, Arenas, Rose, Billups, Westbrook, Rondo, Mo Williams, Jameer Nelson, Monta Ellis, or even John Wall from next year. That's forgetting about Iverson, Kidd, Nash, Bibby, and a few other older elite PG's. Also, how many can also guard some of the elite scorers that aren't PG's? Like Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Dwyane Wade? Now, how many of these guys are going to do better than 15 and 6? 1? Maybe 2? More than that would be a REAL stretch. The NBA is going to all of these stud PG's and no one thinks that there is going to be a premium on defending the PG position?

Summers, Williams, Young? You think that they are going to have better careers than Hinrich? Maybe, but I think that the MAJORITY of NBA GM's, if not all would disagree with you. If they were forced to pick the player who will have the better career, 90% would pick Hinrich over Summers, Williams, or Young. I am NOT an expert on the NBA by ANY stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about. Terrence Williams might make an All-Star team in the next 5 years (when he could be a restricted free agent anyway), the other guys might not make a playoff team's rotation within the next few years. Don't you wonder why a team like the Timberwolves just keep running around not even coming close to the playoffs? They don't have a veteran leader who can help them develop. Would Sam Young make the rest of the Timberwolves better? I don't think you could find 1 scout, coach, or GM in the NBA who would say that DeJuan Summers or Sam Young would make the players around him better over Hinrich. Do you really think that? Seriously?

I mean, let's look at the playoffs that the Heat won the championship in 2005-2006. The Bulls lost to the Heat in 6 games, where Ben Gordon was jacking up shots and getting all of the publicity, but look at the numbers Hinrich had WHILE guarding eventual Finals MVP and Superstar Dwyane Wade

Game 1 -
Hinrich 19 points 8 assists
Gordon 35 points 3 assists
Wade 30 points 11 assists

Game 2 -
Hinrich 29 points 7 assists
Gordon 13 points 4 assists
Wade 21 points 7 assists

Game 3 -
Hinrich 22 points 11 assists
Gordon 24 points 3 assists
Wade 26 points 4 assists

Game 4 -
Hinrich 21 points, 9 assists
Gordon 23 points, 2 assists
Wade 20 points, 10 assists

Game 5 -
Hinrich 9 points, 4 assists
Gordon 10 points, 3 assists
Wade 28 points, 5 assists

Game 6 -
Hinrich 23 points, 6 assists
Gordon 21 points, 3 assists
Wade 23 points, 6 assists

*note: I added Gordon just to show how his back court partner did taking a lot more shots and not having to play defense against one of the NBA's best*

Hinrich averaged 20.5 ppg, with 7.5 apg
Wade averaged 23 ppg, with 7.2 apg
Wade averaged just under 30 ppg the rest of the playoffs

(On a side note, in your proposed trade above Stephen Jackson is the only player with decent playoff experience and he has slightly worse numbers in the playoffs versus regular season)

Look at those numbers, when the Bulls went against the eventual champs. I just don't think that people notice him because Hinrich is one of those workhorse kind of guys. Look at how close he was there to Wade, who played better than anyone else in the NBA playoffs that year. Now, he has had a couple of injuries the last couple of years and lost his starting spot to the rookie of the year and future multiple all-star Derrick Rose which have hurt his numbers but NOBODY in the league thinks that he cannot regain that form. Now, you think that DaJuan Summers is going to be that kind of playoff performer with that kind of elite level defense? Or Sam Young? I'll be VERY surprised if Sam Young is a consistent starter in the NBA, while Hinrich has started 86% of his 440 NBA games.

I just don't think that your argument against Hinrich being an NBA starter has any merit, and the trade proposal is just preposterous...making the Bulls a worse team and not adhering to the philosophy of the Bulls organization in the slightest. Oh, and you are completely overvaluing the bottom 75% of the 2009 NBA Draft.

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#18 and #28 for Hinrich?

Sorry, this is my last post but I just can't get over how ridiculous this is.

Let's just look at what happened in MUCH better drafts than this one, where you think that a #18 and #28 would be enough for a PG who started 86% of his NBA games, has been a member of the All-NBA Defensive Team, has more starting experience in the playoffs than almost EVERY other PG that is available (who is still in his "prime"), and is a 15 and 7 guy offensively.

2008 - The Blazers acquired the #27 pick from New Orleans for cash
2008 - The Heat acquired the #34 pick from the Timberwolves for cash and 2 future second rounders
2007 - The Blazers acquire the #24 pick (Rudy Fernandez) from Phoenix for cash
2007 - The Rockets acquire the #31 pick from Seattle for cash and a future second rounder
2007 - The Blazers acquire the #30 pick from Philadelphia for #42 and cash
2006 - The Blazers acquire the #27 pick (Sergio Rodriguez) from Phoenix for cash

Hell, even

2009 - The Chicago Bulls acquire the #26 pick for Thabo Sefalosha

So, you are saying that Kirk Hinrich is worth the #18 pick and cash, or #18 and a second rounder? That's stupid. Come on, do you guys really think that is what Hinrich is worth? I mean, why would anyone even want the guy? They should just draft a PG since there are 5 - 10 guys a year that are going to be superstars. This draft alone there are 5 all-star PG's coming in, right?

I think that a lot of people take that "NBA Comparison" part of a prospect a little too seriously. Just cause it says a guy like Corey Brewer COULD be like Stacey Augmon doesn't mean that he IS Stacey Augmon.

Oh wait, I take that back:
Stacey Augmon career - 8.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.6 apg
Corey Brewer career - 5.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.4 apg

Other than the fact that Augmon averaged around 14 ppg as a rookie and the four years after, which Brewer couldn't accomplish because he couldn't stay on the court long enough on a terrible Timberwolves team. Now, getting injured last year isn't something terrible to hold against him, but when he was healthy he didn't produce either.

He IS like Stacey Augmon. He only needs to raise his game a little though with a few long, hard years of practice so that he can get that 1 more basket a game. Now I know why the Timberwolves took him at #7 and why the Timberwolves were picking #3 in 2008 and #6 in 2009 (and #3 in 2010, and #4 in 2011, and #2 in 2012, etc., etc., etc.) They take all of these guys with potential that don't pan out. They take the long shots. Well, I take that back. They draft studs, like Brandon Roy and OJ Mayo, but then they trade them away for guys like Randy Foye and Kevin Love.

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Chill Dude

Most of know Kirk Hinrich is worth more than two non-lottery first rounders.

Great defender, great shooter, efficient, good passer, good teammate, hard worker, selfless. That's a pretty rare combination.

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Scott42444, seriously you

Scott42444, seriously you have way too much free time

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Kirk Hinrich Trade options?

I'm thinking Minnesota, Phoenix, Portland, and maybe Sacramento are the places he could be dealt.

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Scott hahah dude chill.

Scott hahah dude chill. McCants, Noah, Thomas, Brewer, Randolph are my 5 favorite players in the league and I was trying to come up with trades that would put them all on the same team.

I am 100% positive that this team would make the playoffs. You said this would be one of the worst teams in the league. R U serious?

Rose/Telfair
McCants/Douglas Roberts/Brewer
Randolph/Jackson/Brewer/Simmons
Thomas/Smith
Noah/Miller

With these trades the Bulls would probably have the youngest most talented lineup in the league who given some time would contend for a title.

With the old Bulls lineup that you r so in love with they would never win a championship, so why do you hate the trades so much?

Hinrich, Gordon, Salmons couldn't beat a Celtics team that was missing Garnett... I mean come on dude be for real.

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Keep it somewhat realistic

Thank you.

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6-3" 10pts 4ast Hirich

6-3" 10pts 4ast Hirich 26 min
6-9" 14pts 6reb 2ast Deng 34 min
6-6" 18pts 4reb 3ast Salmons 38 min
26th pick
16th pick
6-3" 21pts 3ast Gordon 37 min
Gordon wants to much money so you let him go.

Much younger lineup that can only get better.
By signing McCants you save money plus get a younger player.
6-4" 10pts 1ast McCants 19 min
6-0" 10pts 5ast 1 steal Telfair 28 min
6-9" 6pts 3ast 2reb Brewer 21 min
6-7" 10pts 4reb Smith 20 min
6-7" 5pts 1ast Douglas Roberts 13 min
6-6" 8pts 4reb 1ast Simmons 24 min
6-8" 21pts 5reb 7ast Jackson 40 min
6-10" 8pts 6reb 1 ast Randolph 18 min

Look at the stats compared to minutes played. Second team has way more potential.

OK everybody would you rather have the first list or the second list? Scott takes the 1st list. Gatorheels takes the 2nd.

Hinrich, Gordon, Salmons, Deng will never win a championship. The young team has a better chance once all the players develop.

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Hinrich averaged 10 points

Hinrich averaged 10 points and 4 asst this year. Hell yes I am saying give me picks 18 & 28. You act like Hinrich is an all-star...get the f*&% out of here. Dude doesn't even start. I'll take Wayne Ellington & TWilliams with those picks. I'm pretty sure BOTH of them can average what Hinrich does.

Scott no hard feelings. I actually enjoyed reading all that stuff you wrote. I respect your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree ha.

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Either way...

I can live with him or I can live with out him on the Bulls. Getting players like T-Will (#18) and/or Sam Young (#28) might be worth the risk of trading Hinrich.

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That is what I am saying. I

That is what I am saying. I am not saying Hinrich is a scrub by any means. But if you can get TWill & Sam Young I think you have to make that trade.

Sorry if my trade wasn't realistic. ha

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I was wondering how team 2

I was wondering how team 2 was assembled? Who backs up Rose then? Telfair? Having Hinrich is like having a great backup QB in the NFL. He is very undervalued and the Bulls "dont know what you got, til its gone".

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Haha team 2 was assembled

Haha team 2 was assembled like this:

Trade Hinrich & 26th pick to the TWolves for Craig Smith, Telfair, Brewer
Trade Deng & 16th pick to the Nets for Simmons, Chris Douglas Roberts, 11th pick
Don't re-sign Ben Gordon. Sign free agent Rashad McCants.
Trade Salmons & the 11th pick to Golden State for Anthony Randolph & Stephen Jackson

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I still disagree on Hinrich

I still disagree on Hinrich but no biggie. Trades could all be possible except GS. They wont give Randolph away and Jackson is still the heart of that team.

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No Trading Salmons...Use Deng for Bigger Trade

I don't want Salmons traded and I would use Deng in a bigger trade than that (Chris Bosh).

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