[cp5Participant]

 Just seen on ESPN.com that Williams, Johnson and Lopez are all on the block potentially. What do you think good landing spots could be for these players?

Williams- Lakers (don’t know if they have the pieces to make this trade)

Lopez- Celtics (plenty of young pieces)

Johnson- Clippers (see Lakers reasoning)

obvisouly these trades would have to include other teams but from a basketball/playing style stand point I think these are good fits

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 Brook Lopez and Deron Williams can go! The biggest mistake that could happen is to give up on Joe Johnson. Plumlee fills the role of "missing" Lopez. As for Williams, what is there to appreciate at this very moment? Everyone has a few down years or so, but he does nothing to pick himself back up and get in the mix of re-establishing his billing. Joe Johnson is the heart and soul of what’s left in this franchise. No disrespect to KG’s vocal presence but, Joe Johnson is the leader.

[phila9012Participant]

 Yeah Joe Johnson played well in the post season last year. He could still help a play off team if he was making 7 to 10 million dollars. Then he could be traded for kendrick perkins which would help both teams, but he is making 23 million dollars which is untradable. I didn’t really watch the Nets until the postseason last year, but he definitely looked like he still has something left in the tank for 2 or 3 more  years.

[phila9012Participant]

 Yeah Joe Johnson played well in the post season last year. He could still help a play off team if he was making 7 to 10 million dollars. Then he could be traded for kendrick perkins which would help both teams, but he is making 23 million dollars which is untradable. I didn’t really watch the Nets until the postseason last year, but he definitely looked like he still has something left in the tank for 2 or 3 more  years.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 Brook Lopez and Deron Williams can go! The biggest mistake that could happen is to give up on Joe Johnson. Plumlee fills the role of "missing" Lopez. As for Williams, what is there to appreciate at this very moment? Everyone has a few down years or so, but he does nothing to pick himself back up and get in the mix of re-establishing his billing. Joe Johnson is the heart and soul of what’s left in this franchise. No disrespect to KG’s vocal presence but, Joe Johnson is the leader.

[prophetmeirParticipant]

I want to see Lopez to the lakers but hes only 26 I doubt that would happen

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine    A trade of jermey lin and steve nash for Deron workes well. They shed salary while adding lin who can still help them in a playoff contention

[prophetmeirParticipant]

I want to see Lopez to the lakers but hes only 26 I doubt that would happen

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine    A trade of jermey lin and steve nash for Deron workes well. They shed salary while adding lin who can still help them in a playoff contention

[prophetmeirParticipant]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine  Jeff Green and Brandon Bass for Brook Lopez, If nets want more brook lopez and andre for jeff green brandon bass and marcus smart

[benny15Participant]

i honestly liked your initial idea, the one without smart if only brook lopez’s trade value wasnt so low due to the risk on his health and jeff green’s is i think at an all time high. i mean, if it was an off-season deal, i could have seen that go down, currently, think boston might pass.

[benny15Participant]

i honestly liked your initial idea, the one without smart if only brook lopez’s trade value wasnt so low due to the risk on his health and jeff green’s is i think at an all time high. i mean, if it was an off-season deal, i could have seen that go down, currently, think boston might pass.

[prophetmeirParticipant]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine  Jeff Green and Brandon Bass for Brook Lopez, If nets want more brook lopez and andre for jeff green brandon bass and marcus smart

[CodySLCParticipant]

 Not big news but I also here rumors of A.K. being shipped back to Utah for Jeremy Evens and Torre Murry.

[CodySLCParticipant]

 Not big news but I also here rumors of A.K. being shipped back to Utah for Jeremy Evens and Torre Murry.

[r377Participant]

I heard Clippers and Cleveland both interested in AK47

[r377Participant]

I heard Clippers and Cleveland both interested in AK47

[DolanCareParticipant]

This is hardly news, what will be news is if they are actually able to move these Eric Gordonesque contracts. Joe Johnson’s contract is unmovable, so good luck finding a trade partner for that one. Deron Williams’s horrid play this season will make him very hard to move as well.

There are a few teams out there that will be tempted by Lopez because of his unique skill set. (You can count the league’s legit post scorers on one hand). But again, the contract is massive for someone who can’t stay on the court. 

If I were the Nets, I’d focus on shipping KG’s expiring to a contender for future picks (even if they are in the second round). His leadership and Bball IQ are valuable on an up-and-coming team. 

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

This is hardly news, what will be news is if they are actually able to move these Eric Gordonesque contracts. Joe Johnson’s contract is unmovable, so good luck finding a trade partner for that one. Deron Williams’s horrid play this season will make him very hard to move as well.

There are a few teams out there that will be tempted by Lopez because of his unique skill set. (You can count the league’s legit post scorers on one hand). But again, the contract is massive for someone who can’t stay on the court. 

If I were the Nets, I’d focus on shipping KG’s expiring to a contender for future picks (even if they are in the second round). His leadership and Bball IQ are valuable on an up-and-coming team. 

 

 

 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Not much of a mock trade guy, but as a Suns fan I would love to do Tyler Ennis, Archie Goodwin, and first round pick (not lakers pick) for Brook. Nets can start building towards the future with two young talented players and a pick and Suns could possibly "fix" Lopezs broken body under Aaron Nelson. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Not much of a mock trade guy, but as a Suns fan I would love to do Tyler Ennis, Archie Goodwin, and first round pick (not lakers pick) for Brook. Nets can start building towards the future with two young talented players and a pick and Suns could possibly "fix" Lopezs broken body under Aaron Nelson. 

[PHXSUNDREAMPICK13Participant]

 Would like your trade of the guard flux of the Suns for a big.  Might make a logjam for A. Len who im not completely impressed with anyways as such a high draft pick.  Not up todate with Lopez’s rebounding ability. Wish the Suns woud pick up KG.  If Grant Hill and Steve Nash can play so well up in age then i would bet on KG.  Would love some toughness on my baby bottom soft Suns : )

[PHXSUNDREAMPICK13Participant]

 Would like your trade of the guard flux of the Suns for a big.  Might make a logjam for A. Len who im not completely impressed with anyways as such a high draft pick.  Not up todate with Lopez’s rebounding ability. Wish the Suns woud pick up KG.  If Grant Hill and Steve Nash can play so well up in age then i would bet on KG.  Would love some toughness on my baby bottom soft Suns : )

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

I seriously doubt they’ll be able to move any of these guys, although I don’t blame them for trying. Williams and Johnson are among the highest paid players in the league even though they are clearly no longer elite. No contending team would be able to absorb those contracts and no rebuilding would want to give up young assets or draft picks for past their prime overpriced veterans. Lopez’s skill set and relative youth might generate some interest, but he’s a high priced gamble who comes with huge medical red flags.

The Nets best bet at this point is probably to just play the season out with the roster they have and fight for a playoff spot because they are still talented enough, especially in the east. This team really swung for the fences and sacrificed their future hoping to acquire enough talent to win a championship. Now that it clearly hasn’t worked out, they are kind of stuck with the fallout of their own questionable and short-sighted decision making, which was bound to happen anyway. Maybe Kidd knew what he was doing getting out of there as quickly as possible. 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

I seriously doubt they’ll be able to move any of these guys, although I don’t blame them for trying. Williams and Johnson are among the highest paid players in the league even though they are clearly no longer elite. No contending team would be able to absorb those contracts and no rebuilding would want to give up young assets or draft picks for past their prime overpriced veterans. Lopez’s skill set and relative youth might generate some interest, but he’s a high priced gamble who comes with huge medical red flags.

The Nets best bet at this point is probably to just play the season out with the roster they have and fight for a playoff spot because they are still talented enough, especially in the east. This team really swung for the fences and sacrificed their future hoping to acquire enough talent to win a championship. Now that it clearly hasn’t worked out, they are kind of stuck with the fallout of their own questionable and short-sighted decision making, which was bound to happen anyway. Maybe Kidd knew what he was doing getting out of there as quickly as possible. 

 

 

[KHAM83Participant]

I can see Lakers or Knicks doing something desperate. Neither team is likely to attract top free agents anyway.

Lakers- send Nash/Lin expiring deals

Nets trade Williams

 

Or

Knicks trade Stoudamire, Bargnani, either (Shump or Hardaway) and possibly 2015 draft pick.

 

Nets trade Williams, Lopez and Kerilenko

 No way Nets turn down 25+ mill in expiring contracts, plus a young prospect and a draft pick.

Knicks, get two good pieces to run their triangle. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KHAM83Participant]

I can see Lakers or Knicks doing something desperate. Neither team is likely to attract top free agents anyway.

Lakers- send Nash/Lin expiring deals

Nets trade Williams

 

Or

Knicks trade Stoudamire, Bargnani, either (Shump or Hardaway) and possibly 2015 draft pick.

 

Nets trade Williams, Lopez and Kerilenko

 No way Nets turn down 25+ mill in expiring contracts, plus a young prospect and a draft pick.

Knicks, get two good pieces to run their triangle. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I sure hope the Lakers don’t make that deal.  Would much rather see them go after rondo, dragic or possibly Reggie Jackson.  

Knicks nets deal could be plausible if Knicks are willing to take on that kind of salary. Lopez is the type of player that would fit well in the triangle if healthy.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I sure hope the Lakers don’t make that deal.  Would much rather see them go after rondo, dragic or possibly Reggie Jackson.  

Knicks nets deal could be plausible if Knicks are willing to take on that kind of salary. Lopez is the type of player that would fit well in the triangle if healthy.

 

[tuck243Participant]

because of the contracts or players injuries.  D-Will showed he’s a system player and/or fat/lazy.  Joe is a beast, but like y’all said $23 Million beast?  Ummm…No….   Brook is Broke…  No way I’ll trade for him especially if he’s potentially a free agent the end of the season…  Any max paid big man that’s not Dirk type talent that doesn’t average 10 rebounds is overrated IMO…  Brook never averaged that and slow as hell…  He played in 112 games out of the last 265…  Maybe I would want KG to help protect the basket…  The Cavs can use him, but the way he was w/ LeBron…highly doubt it…   The Nets are currently in this position until the contracts are up sadly.

[tuck243Participant]

because of the contracts or players injuries.  D-Will showed he’s a system player and/or fat/lazy.  Joe is a beast, but like y’all said $23 Million beast?  Ummm…No….   Brook is Broke…  No way I’ll trade for him especially if he’s potentially a free agent the end of the season…  Any max paid big man that’s not Dirk type talent that doesn’t average 10 rebounds is overrated IMO…  Brook never averaged that and slow as hell…  He played in 112 games out of the last 265…  Maybe I would want KG to help protect the basket…  The Cavs can use him, but the way he was w/ LeBron…highly doubt it…   The Nets are currently in this position until the contracts are up sadly.

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Nets trades are really coming back to hurt them they gave up a load for what was one year of Paul Pierce and two years of an end of career Kevin Garnett.

They also took on Joe Johnson’s huge contract, Joe is putting up fair figures but nothing like that of a guy who is the 4th highest paid player in the NBA and next year will be the 2nd highest paid provissionally and also he is 33 now. So any trade takers would be very limited.

Lots of teams are set at PG now so moving Deron Williams would be very hard especially with his big contract having nearly 3 years to run. Also Deron is 30 now and could be one of those guys who has played his best basketball perhaps.

Brook Lopez is a good scoring big but recent year injury concerns put questions on his durability and his fairly modest rebounding will always count against him.

More worryingly according to this site the Nets owe the following picks:-

Hawks have right to swap 2015 first rounder and own their 2nd rounder plus their 2017 2nd rounder

Celtics receive Nets 2016, 2018 first rounders and have right to swap 2017 first rounder 

The Hawks are likely to end up swapping picks next summer as things stand and then almost everything goes to Danny Ainge and co at Boston.

What moves the Nets can make short of the owner flipping some of these big contracts when they are near expiry for other win now guys I don’t really know.

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Nets trades are really coming back to hurt them they gave up a load for what was one year of Paul Pierce and two years of an end of career Kevin Garnett.

They also took on Joe Johnson’s huge contract, Joe is putting up fair figures but nothing like that of a guy who is the 4th highest paid player in the NBA and next year will be the 2nd highest paid provissionally and also he is 33 now. So any trade takers would be very limited.

Lots of teams are set at PG now so moving Deron Williams would be very hard especially with his big contract having nearly 3 years to run. Also Deron is 30 now and could be one of those guys who has played his best basketball perhaps.

Brook Lopez is a good scoring big but recent year injury concerns put questions on his durability and his fairly modest rebounding will always count against him.

More worryingly according to this site the Nets owe the following picks:-

Hawks have right to swap 2015 first rounder and own their 2nd rounder plus their 2017 2nd rounder

Celtics receive Nets 2016, 2018 first rounders and have right to swap 2017 first rounder 

The Hawks are likely to end up swapping picks next summer as things stand and then almost everything goes to Danny Ainge and co at Boston.

What moves the Nets can make short of the owner flipping some of these big contracts when they are near expiry for other win now guys I don’t really know.

 

 

 

 

 

[sixersman111Participant]

If i was a nets fan I wouldn’t trust billy king to make any trade after what he has shown.  He desevres to be fired

[sixersman111Participant]

If i was a nets fan I wouldn’t trust billy king to make any trade after what he has shown.  He desevres to be fired

[HitsterParticipant]

The Nets effectively gave up Kanter, Favours and Lillard to get their current line up if you look at who was drafted from the picks they gave up. I recall D-Will said he would have wanted them to trade the rights to Anthony Davis if they had won the lottery in 2012, the thought of that makes the mind boggle.

Also the KG and PP trade looks totally ridiculous now, PP would be a FA in 2014 so could easily have retired or skipped to another contender. He ended up at Washington but could have gone to virtually any contender if he had so wanted. Kevin Garnett was 37 when he was traded for and in his last year at Boston was managed carefully playing under 30mpg. Given his age and the amount of games/minutes he had played he was never going to improve and could go over the hill almost at any time. There was also a risk that if PP moved on or retired then KG could retire from the last year or his contract. Luckily KG has the pride to honour it but this is almost certainly his last year and he will not play huge minutes across a busy remaining 60 odd games if they want to keep him as durable as possible.

KG had the Boston no trade clause which he waived so the Nets could try and flip his expiring deal for a younger talent but this would take up cap space. They may also be able to flip KG to a contender but what they would get back would be limited. Shaq was only worth a 2nd rounder when traded to the Cavs and that was after he had been an All Star that year. Unless a contender had a major injury issue then getting any first rounder for KG would be hard and if he went to a lottery team, I think he’d likely retire unless he ended up back at Boston or T-Wolves somehow.

[HitsterParticipant]

The Nets effectively gave up Kanter, Favours and Lillard to get their current line up if you look at who was drafted from the picks they gave up. I recall D-Will said he would have wanted them to trade the rights to Anthony Davis if they had won the lottery in 2012, the thought of that makes the mind boggle.

Also the KG and PP trade looks totally ridiculous now, PP would be a FA in 2014 so could easily have retired or skipped to another contender. He ended up at Washington but could have gone to virtually any contender if he had so wanted. Kevin Garnett was 37 when he was traded for and in his last year at Boston was managed carefully playing under 30mpg. Given his age and the amount of games/minutes he had played he was never going to improve and could go over the hill almost at any time. There was also a risk that if PP moved on or retired then KG could retire from the last year or his contract. Luckily KG has the pride to honour it but this is almost certainly his last year and he will not play huge minutes across a busy remaining 60 odd games if they want to keep him as durable as possible.

KG had the Boston no trade clause which he waived so the Nets could try and flip his expiring deal for a younger talent but this would take up cap space. They may also be able to flip KG to a contender but what they would get back would be limited. Shaq was only worth a 2nd rounder when traded to the Cavs and that was after he had been an All Star that year. Unless a contender had a major injury issue then getting any first rounder for KG would be hard and if he went to a lottery team, I think he’d likely retire unless he ended up back at Boston or T-Wolves somehow.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I doubt they can move JJ because his contract is $24 million. I also shudder at the contracts they would have to bring back to do it if it was even possible. But he can score, score in the clutch at the end of games on ISOs when everyone knows he is going to have the ball and he has the best defender on him. That is a great skill. And his defense is solid. It isn’t dynamic and you can run past him a bit. But his great size means that in general other guards and SFs play away from the basket when he is guarding them. So he generally slows them down. 

DWill is still very good. I watch a lot of Nets games and the team is basically good when he plays and not when he sits. He makes everyone on the team better. He lost a lot of athelticism to his ankle injuries, but since the surgery this summer he has been much more spry. But he is also just dealing with age at this point. Of course he isn’t as fast at 30 as he was at 26. No real mystery there, happens to lots of guards in those years.

Lopez is good, but now such an injury risk that I don’t know who would take his contract either.  

I suspect they don’t trade these guys. And I hope they don’t. The team was very good by the end of last year. Yes they went out against the Heat. But not too many teams were beating the Heat last year. So no shame to lose to them. Toronto series went to 7. But again that team was very good at the end of the season. Most people don’t realize that. They look at Toronto’s great record and think they’ve improved. Nope. The team this year is the same good team that existed last year for the last 3 to 4 months of the season. 

I think this team can figure it out. Simple changes. Move KG to Center permanently, even if that means he backs up Lopez and Plumlee plays very few minutes. Minimize minutes by J Jack and A. Anderson, especially don’t play them together. Don’t play Jack with DWill since he just takes the ball out of DWill’s hands anyway. So you might as well be resting DWill in those minutes anyway. Start Mirza Teletovic at PF. He started against the Spurs because KG was on a back to back rest, dropped 26 and got 15 boards. No one who watches the Nets (except maybe their coaching staff) was really surprised by the 26 points. He scores basically whenever he gets minutes with DWill as DWill sets him up repeatedly. Not saying he would score 20 a night. But he would score 20 one game a week if he played with the starters and he would be efficient in general. So that would be huge scoring improvement for the team over the minutes they get form KG at PF. 

Hollins needs to restablish the movement and the pick and role offense from last year (which is also, broadly speaking, run by all the other successfull offenses in the league). He has to forget about the one on one post plays for Lopez. No one successfully posts up Centers in the league anymore. It just doesn’t seem to work against the way NBA teams play defense these days. And Lopez, while a good scorer, simply isn’t that good to create his own offense again and again, especially not if the other team has a good defensive Center. Or even just a strong Center with good post defense skills that Lopez can’t over power. 

So I’m hoping the Nets improve. They started last season 11 and 20. They are starting this season much better than that. Though there are lots of blow outs. I believe they can improve with the current lineup. 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I doubt they can move JJ because his contract is $24 million. I also shudder at the contracts they would have to bring back to do it if it was even possible. But he can score, score in the clutch at the end of games on ISOs when everyone knows he is going to have the ball and he has the best defender on him. That is a great skill. And his defense is solid. It isn’t dynamic and you can run past him a bit. But his great size means that in general other guards and SFs play away from the basket when he is guarding them. So he generally slows them down. 

DWill is still very good. I watch a lot of Nets games and the team is basically good when he plays and not when he sits. He makes everyone on the team better. He lost a lot of athelticism to his ankle injuries, but since the surgery this summer he has been much more spry. But he is also just dealing with age at this point. Of course he isn’t as fast at 30 as he was at 26. No real mystery there, happens to lots of guards in those years.

Lopez is good, but now such an injury risk that I don’t know who would take his contract either.  

I suspect they don’t trade these guys. And I hope they don’t. The team was very good by the end of last year. Yes they went out against the Heat. But not too many teams were beating the Heat last year. So no shame to lose to them. Toronto series went to 7. But again that team was very good at the end of the season. Most people don’t realize that. They look at Toronto’s great record and think they’ve improved. Nope. The team this year is the same good team that existed last year for the last 3 to 4 months of the season. 

I think this team can figure it out. Simple changes. Move KG to Center permanently, even if that means he backs up Lopez and Plumlee plays very few minutes. Minimize minutes by J Jack and A. Anderson, especially don’t play them together. Don’t play Jack with DWill since he just takes the ball out of DWill’s hands anyway. So you might as well be resting DWill in those minutes anyway. Start Mirza Teletovic at PF. He started against the Spurs because KG was on a back to back rest, dropped 26 and got 15 boards. No one who watches the Nets (except maybe their coaching staff) was really surprised by the 26 points. He scores basically whenever he gets minutes with DWill as DWill sets him up repeatedly. Not saying he would score 20 a night. But he would score 20 one game a week if he played with the starters and he would be efficient in general. So that would be huge scoring improvement for the team over the minutes they get form KG at PF. 

Hollins needs to restablish the movement and the pick and role offense from last year (which is also, broadly speaking, run by all the other successfull offenses in the league). He has to forget about the one on one post plays for Lopez. No one successfully posts up Centers in the league anymore. It just doesn’t seem to work against the way NBA teams play defense these days. And Lopez, while a good scorer, simply isn’t that good to create his own offense again and again, especially not if the other team has a good defensive Center. Or even just a strong Center with good post defense skills that Lopez can’t over power. 

So I’m hoping the Nets improve. They started last season 11 and 20. They are starting this season much better than that. Though there are lots of blow outs. I believe they can improve with the current lineup. 

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