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I would say the team is going

I would say the team is going to try to make a killing in transition. Is Del Negro still the coach? If so I thought he was more of a half-court style coach. Not really sure didn't watch many clipper games last season. But I would definitely say pick and roll and a lot of running.

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I liked a Billups/Gordon

I liked a Billups/Gordon backcourt a lot more then a Paul/Billups? backcourt, especially defensively. They really didn't need to make this move at all. Gordon is a fantastic up and coming sg to go along with Blake and Jordan down low. Then Billups brings veteran leadership and you can even use Bledsoe as a change of pace pg when Billups is out.

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I guess that mo williams or

I guess that mo williams or bledsoe are going to be traded i would guess they would trade for a sg

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Can the Clips still amnesty

Can the Clips still amnesty Williams?

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why Amnesty an expiring Contract???

They may want to keep that for Jordan or Butler down the road(IF PERMITED BY CBA)...They have to get rid of a of a few guards...we forget that Bledsoe and Mo can play some Sg if the Clips go small guard...I'm sure they regret claiming Billups off waivers if the Paul trade DOES GO THROUGH...they could have focused in on Rip Hamilton or Nick Young earlier, even Jamal Crawford might have even come around...they certainly need a starting Sg at this point, Im sure they'll be doing their best to get one...

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I know this deal is over the

I know this deal is over the top, but don't forget that they have Caron Butler.

I know he may be out of shape, but at 1 point in his career he was able to play the 2. Hopefully if the Clips know what's good for them, they would get Butler familiar running the offense at the 2 for awhile, until they bring in someone else to take over the duties.

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f, I was looking forward to

f, I was looking forward to the next best wing-big combo since Kobe and Shaq.

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So, the Lakers had no chance of getting Chris Paul? He was definitely going to sign with the Clippers if he stayed on New Orleans? Here is what I think is funny, how everyone was assuming that the Clippers could low ball the Hornets as if they were the only team interested in signing or trading for Chris Paul. Seemed like their were other deals.

I see no reason how this situation compares to the lockout. Because, quite obviously, their was leverage. Because this trade happened. You guys are the ones who talk about fairness. You talk about Blake Griffin being a complete player, like he is the only player in the league working on being one, but than you get up in arms when Eric Gordon gets traded for Chris Paul.

People were acting like this with Melo last year as well. But, now New York has Carmelo Anthony and Denver has a, bright future? Now, let's look at New Orleans end of the deal here. They have to now try to sign Eric Gordon, who is not assured to sign an extension with them. He very well might take the qualifying offer and peace out after next season.

I guess I am not worried about Paul walking. NOW the Clippers have leverage. They can sign him to more than anyone else can, he will be playing with Blake Griffin and he might feel some obligation. Before, I feel like the Clippers had no sway. Gordon is a beast, but he has yet to prove he can lead a team anywhere other than mediocrity. Not the case with Chris Paul, not to mention playing with Chauncey Billups.

Personally, I am not angry about this deal. I guess the Clippers probably gave up more than one would expect, but we were always talking about fairness during the lockout. I personally have little emotional investment in the deal. I am not angry with it, I will tell you that much. I do not feel it makes the Hornets the team of the future and screws the Clippers.

It would be one thing if Chris Paul said, "I will only play for the Clippers". But, he didn't. This could means he leaves (though I am fairly confident he won't), but I think the Clippers now having an ability to sign him for more money than any other team out there gives them a major boost. Plus, with the signing of Caron Butler, plus DeAndre Jordan (who a majority of people were b!tching about the Clippers having to sign, though I was not one of them), plus the fact that they were going to sign Eric Gordon to an extension, would they have been able to sign Chris Paul as a free agent? I don't know, but I feel like Chris Paul would have been looking at other options, or could have even surprised us and signed for less money. Now, I do not think that happens.

So, I do feel that the NBA was obnoxious in this trade, but they obviously created leverage that truly helps both teams. The Clippers are a better team right now and their was no assurance that they had a formula to a championship with the things they traded away. Time will tell, my friend. But, I think they may very well have gotten the best player in the deal. He is older than the other players, he has injury concerns, but no one seemed to be bringing this up when they thought he was going to be playing with Eric Gordon.

People were busy trying to think of ways to make the Clippers the golden team of the NBA, but I think this trade shows that it is not that easy. Hey, Chris Paul makes a couple teams happy. How is this trade that bad? I never said it was fantastic for the Clippers, but it is NOT THAT BAD. They ended up trading three young players and an expiring contract for a top 10 player in the league. Eric Gordon could be an All-Star, Al-Farouq Aminu could be a solid combo forward and their is a pick from Minnesota that we have little idea about. I think the Clippers have done worse, and you left out the fact that Chris Paul is pretty amazing when he is healthy. Which he seems to be. I know this trade is not optimal for you as a Clippers/Eric Gordon fan, but it works fine for me. I like that the trade was fair. I do not know why that offends you.

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Maybe they can try to sign

Maybe they can try to sign terrico white. At least it sounds good with all the other athletes.

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If we are going to talk trades at any point

why not trade Mo Williams to Miami for Mike Miller(If Healthy, not sure if he's still on The Injured list)...Miami gets a solid shooter at Pg, one that has chemistry with Lebron and could help spread the floor in the Heat's starting line up or has a instant offense type off the bench behind Chalmers...Miller(if healthy) would actually like like a perfect fit between Paul and Butler in the Line Up...Paul-Miller-Butler-Griffin-Jordan-Billups-Bledsoe-Foye-Thompkins-Leslie...of course they'd still love a young 2 guard to start over Miller long term, but this roster in set to try get into the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may after...Paul and Griffin leading the Abismal Clippers franchise into the Playoffs would be a great story...It would become story book if they crossed paths with The Lakers in a 1 vs 8 or 2 vs 7 matchup, and actually WON...that would put all this early chaos into a very interesting perspective...

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i cant tell if you guys are

i cant tell if you guys are F**king kidding. BAD TRADE? are you guys mad. you guys are always saying how chris paul is one of the best point guards in the game. oh and believe me, i love eric gordons game. but he is NO chris paul. i remember watching a couple years ago CP3 vs the spurs. he dominated. him and griffin is gonna be a problem. i see them being a Malone/Stockton type duo. Give griffin a year or 2 to develop his game, and he's gonna be one of the best power fowards too. add in caron butler who i personally believe still has a year or 2 left in the League, and you have a SQUAD. you guys are just mad...

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And let's not act like Eric

And let's not act like Eric Gordon is always healthy. He is a very good player. Realistically, the clippers gave up a young athlete that can be a good player. A big man they weren't going to keep. An oft injured but very promising sg. And a pick that wasn't their in the first place which could be top 5 but also easily be in the 8 to 12 range.

They got probably the best pg in the game to pair with an upcoming power forward. Let's give the clippers some credit for actually trying to be relevant.

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Amnesty expires this Friday I believe

IMO the Clippers got ROBBED. Hornets have a much brighter future without Chris Paul. They'll be getting a top 3 pick, Eric Gordon and an expiring contract? David Stern is a G. Clippers depleted their line up for CP3, guess it's quality over quantity.

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@mikeyvthedon What does my

@mikeyvthedon

What does my opinion that this was a bad deal have to do with my thread about Blake Griffin working hard on his weaknesses and becoming a complete player??? I won't even reply to the rest of your post after that ignorance.

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Quality over quantity usually wins trades

Man, how can you say they are getting a top 3 pick? Lol. They could be getting anywhere from 4-9, who knows? Every spot lower they go, the less chance they have at getting a big time player. Chris Paul was the 4th pick, but he is truly better than most first picks in the draft on a given year. He is a franchise level player. Chances are, the Hornets do not have one of those guys.

They could draft one in 2012, but it is not guarantee. Not to mention, they now do not have a point guard. PG is not the most crucial position, but do people really think the Hornets are the next big thing after this trade? Have to say, they have a long way to go. The Cavaliers had the first in fourth pick in this past draft, and they still have a long way to go.

Yes, this draft is better and they have Eric Gordon, but the odds are, they will still have a ways to go unless they get lucky in the lotto. They are young, but it does not necessarily mean these players would have the impact Chris Paul would have. Plus, all these players would eventually have to be paid as well. That is why, I truly believe, this trade is not as bad as people are making it out to be for the Clippers.

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trade haha

Hey scarecrow good trade idea, I was thinking the same thing. Actually, I already did think of it and post it in this forum, under this exact post... lol

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Seriously?

How is it ignorance to notice that you seem to have possible biases that involve the Clippers? Not to mention Eric Gordon. Man, you dish it out a lot, but someone brings up something completely legitimate and you call them ignorant. Nice, man. You constantly call other people out for being biased, you bring things up from the past all of the time and I do the same thing in noticing a trend, so now I am ignorant?

Man, here is some news: THIS TRADE HAPPENED. You may not like it, but maybe, just maybe, I am not the one being ignorant here. I never called you ignorant for saying the Hornets had no leverage, even though, well, THIS TRADE HAPPENED! Why do two wrongs make a right? I feel like your original post to me was super condescending addressing the entire "lockout" scenario that you and I both did not like.

So, if the Clippers had kept Eric Gordon and gotten Chris Paul, that would have been well and good, but the trade being fair sucks. I just thought it was funny that people felt this way, when people usually complain about a lack of parity. If I was wrong about the trade, than I would have given you full credit. But, the fair trade happens and now I am ignorant?

When you highlighted complete, who was that a shout out to? Man, I do not think you are ignorant, but I feel that you saying my bringing the Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon thing up than calling me ignorant just makes little sense. I do not know what I wrote that got you so upset, but I respect you as a poster and I try not to get into name calling, that I feel you just resorted to.

I apologized about saying you "hate" LeBron as opposed to "strongly dislike" LeBron, so I do not think you can resort to that whole thing as a reason why you suddenly blew up. All I said was that Blake Griffin working on becoming a complete player, by working on his weaknesses, is largely what other players do as well. Blake may do it better, have no idea, but I do not know how that is ignorant or how it was that offensive. If you took it that way, I apologize, but you seem to be angry about the trade and I guess my opinion just brought this out? I don't know, but I was not asking for a long explanation, just not expecting you to resort to what you just did.

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One thing I will say Indiana

Is I just read your first post and I am sorry for your friend. That sucks. But, as I said, I do not have emotion in this and my only analysis of this is from the standpoint of a basketball fan who actually appreciated it being a fair trade. I think even you know though, this is a business and Eric was part of a franchise that has a history of lying to players.

I mean, dude, Donald Sterling. Plus, he will excel as a go-to guy and he has a bright future, just not with the Clippers. But, that does not necessarily mean that Chris Paul will not also be successful and make them a better team. Plus, you have to admit, the Lakers would have signed Paul to an extension, and their was no guarantee that he would have signed with the Clippers next summer. I realize why you have emotion, so I am no longer at loss for an explanation to your reaction. If you still think I am ignorant, so be it, but I at the very least have told you where I am coming from.

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i dislike the trade bc like

i dislike the trade bc like everyone else thinks, the clippers gave up too much.

however, i will say the same thing as i did for the lakers... if you have a chance to snatch arguably one of the top 5 players in the league, you make the deal, and worry about the rest later. if paul stays healthy and clippers get him to sign an extension, this is probably a great trade for the clippers. Blake Griffin is a potentially a top 10 players in the league this season, which means the clips would have two top 10 players in the league. They have good supporting cast in jordan, butler, and any of the other 3 PGs. They also have a number of developing young players too. I see this team as one of the team to beat in the future if they lock up paul and paul stays healthy

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Mikey, I do believe the T-Wolves will be one of the worst teams in the league this year. With that being said, when I did say it'll be a top 3 pick I do expect the T-Wolves to have one of the top 3 highest probabilties to land the #1 pick.

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as much

as much as I hate EJ being gone... This trade is definitely something that the NOH needs... young players and draft picks that could enthuse potential buyers in the future... I understand why the league did veto the first deal, though I don't appreciate what they did, because when you look at guys like Scola, Martin and Odom, they're not getting any younger... This deal is good in particular with the Hornets franchise... I mean, they got two potential lottery picks on a draft class that is as strong as perhaps the 2008 or 2003. They have a lot of options going forward with this... PLUS Eric Gordon is gonna be the man for them..

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Huh? You don't make any

Huh? You don't make any sense... I never wrote that other players weren't working on having complete games nor was that my intention. The point of my thread was to say that Griffin wasn't all about highlights and actually wanted to play a winning brand of basketball. Most fans are amazed by the excitement he brings, but he's more interested in getting better at the boring things that don't get as much attention. A lot of people seem to think he's more sizzle than steak. You clearly missed the point of the thread.

Then you try to somehow relate my thread about Griffin to my opinons on a trade... Like to try to lower or devalue my opinions about the trade. How does that make any sense??? That's what I said was ignorant, and it is. Once again, what does my thread about Griffin have to do with my opinion that the Clippers had all of the leverage in this deal and caved?

You make it like I said the deal wasn't fair or that Chris Paul isn't a better player than Eric Gordon. All I've written is that the Clippers had more leverage in the deal and the Hornets really didn't have that much to demand what they did. We're talking about a player that they had to trade or was just going to walk away at the end of the season.

I'm through debating with you. As a matter of fact, I'm just going to ignore you for now on. I don't really enjoy reading your opinions anyway.

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come on guys

come on guys, stop it already... it's getting ugly...

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^^ I was thinking the same

^^ I was thinking the same thing man. These well written verbal exhanges from two of the titans of NBAdraft.net were a little intense. Here's a funny classic to lighten the mood


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I just didn't like the fact

I just didn't like the fact that he used my Blake Griffin thread to somehow say I was biased towards the Clippers in this trade. I post threads and comments about damn near every player and subject on this site and try to keep it real regardless. I just thought that was ignorant.

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Yes

Ignore the ignorant.

Am I the only person who appreciates this philosophy?

By the way, I wrote a big response in the Bucks topic but it got deleted before I could send it.

McModerator has a nice ring to it.

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Kinda feel sorry for my

Kinda feel sorry for my friend Eric Bledsoe who had a chance to become a starter this year after working hard on his game this summer,Now that won't happen since CP3 is there. This trade was not fair and the Clippers gave up too much but at the same time they got back the top pg in the NBA and already have a superstar on the team in Blake. The Clippers actually had the leverage because CP3 was only gonna sign with 2 other teams (Lakers,Knicks) and they didn't have the players to trade to get Paul so they should have just waited it out. The Lakers were only gonna give up Gasol and didn't have a draft pick so the Clippers could have sat back and waited (even if the Lakers would have gotten a pick Stern wasn't going to approve the trade imo). The Hornets also look good in this trade because they got a very good SG as well as a top3-4 pick (Minny won't fall out of the top 3-4) a center who should get at least 18-10 which would make him great trade bait, maybe for Love if the Hornets own pick was included, and a SF would has a good future (possibly a taller Thad Young). If not they have 2 lotto picks that they could use or trade up to get a top 3 pick if they fall out of the top 3.

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With Minnesota being the

With Minnesota being the guide to that pick, it is for certain a lottery pick and with this year's draft looking as solid as ever, long-term both teams win. An unselfish PG (CP3) is what the Clippers need and a pure scorer (Gordon) is what the Hornets need. Also, in my opinion the NBA is making the New Orleans Hornets more marketable for a new owner by also adding Kaman and the lottery pick while also creating trade bait (having two solid centers in Kaman and Okafor in a Center-weak league).

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Alright

The point of my thread was to say that Griffin wasn't all about highlights and actually wanted to play a winning brand of basketball. Most fans are amazed by the excitement he brings, but he's more interested in getting better at the boring things that don't get as much attention. A lot of people seem to think he's more sizzle than steak. You clearly missed the point of the thread.

Have to say, I truly did. I feel like most players try to improve as much as possible as complete basketball players. Some are just better at doing so than others. I read into this as a slight to players you maybe did not think were playing a "winning brand of basketball". Read into it too much. Hope that at least makes more sense.

Then you try to somehow relate my thread about Griffin to my opinons on a trade... Like to try to lower or devalue my opinions about the trade. How does that make any sense??? That's what I said was ignorant, and it is. Once again, what does my thread about Griffin have to do with my opinion that the Clippers had all of the leverage in this deal and caved?

I apologize, as it definitely seems that way, but I did not mean to devalue your opinion. But, your lockout analogy was very much along the same lines and as I said, two wrongs do not make a right. I felt like you were gung-ho about the Clippers in general and the prospect of getting a guy like Chris Paul when Eric Gordon was involved in that process. But, once he was not, than you seemed to be really upset about the trade. Again, I felt like the Blake Griffin thread was a slight to certain other players (ie. LeBron James), so I misread it. For that, I do again, apologize.

You make it like I said the deal wasn't fair or that Chris Paul isn't a better player than Eric Gordon. All I've written is that the Clippers had more leverage in the deal and the Hornets really didn't have that much to demand what they did. We're talking about a player that they had to trade or was just going to walk away at the end of the season.

I'm through debating with you. As a matter of fact, I'm just going to ignore you for now on. I don't really enjoy reading your opinions anyway.

Well, my apologies were sincere and I never say anywhere that you said Eric Gordon was better than Chris Paul. The thing I thought was funny was that I believed you, and other posters, thought that the Chris Paul trade was amazing until it involved Eric Gordon. Almost like if the Clippers indeed would have used their "leverage" (a term I am quoting because I still do not believe they had as much as people believe), that they could have had Chris Paul, Eric Gordon and a ready made formula for a championship.

I think the Carmelo trade, Paul trade and heck, even the Miami Heat signings of last summer, show that it is not that easy to have a team set up from top to bottom. Hence, the Clippers now do not have that "true" shooting guard. Also, as I said before, I believe the Clippers were not the only team bidding on a Chris Paul trade, that the Lakers and other teams could have emerged. The guy was still suing the league over the Lakers trade, so he was pushing to be dealt rather than spend an unhappy year in New Orleans and walk. I also have to say I find it funny that you feel with Eric Gordon, they would just sign Chris Paul, but without Eric Gordon, he is incredibly likely to walk at the end of his contract. That, to me, does not sound like a lot of leverage for the Clippers.

Now, if you want to ignore me, as I said, so be it. I for one am fairly forgiving, but if I committed a cardinal sin by stating my point of view when being questioned as to why I had it, well, I am willing to suffer the consequences. If you felt like I belittled your opinion, I apologize, but I tried to tell you where I was coming from and as this trade did indeed go down, I felt like I maybe had some apt observations rather than not seeing the big picture, which is what I felt your lockout analogy was pointing towards. If you read my last post before this one, and still feel enough to shun me, than as I said, so be it. I felt I apologized where I needed to and if you do not enjoy my opinions, I am glad you told me so.

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I wonder if the Clippers

I wonder if the Clippers might go with a Nellie Ball type line up with all those PG's on the roster!

Billups and CP3 does give you a nice backcourt and if they can get some trade value for Mo Williams or Eric Bledsoe then they can add depth elsewhere.

Poor Eric Bledsoe must think he is doomed, first he goes to Kentucky and they sign John Wall, now he ends up 4th choice PG at the Clippers!

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So I make a thread about

So I make a thread about Blake Griffin, don't mention LeBron James anywhere in it, and you somehow assume that I'm refering to James? I put an emphasis on Griffin becoming a complete player in the NBA, and your insecurities about your favorite player come out.

James has led his team to the NBA's best record twice, is a two time MVP, has been to two NBA Finals appearances and is the best two way player in basketball and you assume that I'm implying that I think this man doesn't play a winning brand of basketball??? You love adding your .99 cents, but have no clue what you're even adding it to.

And what is the problem with my lockout analogy? I don't get it... I asked you did you pay any attention to how the NBA/Owners were able to strong arm the players because they had the upper hand and majority of the leverage. Was that not true??? Were the NBA players not in concessionary bargaining the entire lockout? Business is business. What's "fair" is in the eyes of the beholder. I don't feel it's fair that gas is $3.50 per gallon, but guess what? I'm going to pay it because I need to drive my car and don't have any leverage. IF I had an electric car sitting in my garage, then yea... Then I think twice about paying that money and drive my electric car until they lower the gas price. Majority of the players feel they didn't get a fair deal, but majority of the owners do. LAC was in a position of leverage in the negotiations with the NBA/Hornets, yet they didn't take advantage of it. I just don't understand the problem with this thought.

It's water under the bridge though. Deal is done. It is what it is. You wrote what you wrote. I wrote what I wrote. It's over.

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Just in closing:

I hope it is water under the bridge, because I hold no ill will. I did misinterpret the Griffin thing as a slight, because I have felt like you tend to take subtle digs at LeBron James. Of course I have insecurities about LeBron James! I willingly admit this. He has yet to win a championship and it is hard to explain how he played this past season against Dallas. I feel I go out on the line to support him, but I know he is not perfect. Do you not have uncertainties in general? See, I am usually pretty confident in what I say and I try to do as much research as possible to back it up, but I know I am not always right and definitely not close to perfect. There is usually a large amount of uncertainty when analyzing any trade.

What I will say is, I should not have brought up the Blake Griffin thing as a ways of saying you were biased towards the Clippers. It was something I should have addressed in the original topic if I had any uncertainty. But, when you highlight "complete", and constantly say things about LeBron James as "missing something", do you not see how I could see it as a hidden message? I mean, you took me talking about Blake Griffin as an assassination of character or diminishing your opinion, when it was not in the least.

Didn't you pay any attention to the lockout this summer? The NBA had ALL of the leverage and the players had none, so therefore they were in concessionary bargaining the entire lockout.

Yes, I did pay attention to the lockout. I believe you knew very well I did, but than you ask me if I paid any attention to it, almost as possibly talking down to somebody. I do not know the tone you were using it in, but being familiar with you as a poster, I felt this was a bit of a slap in the face, especially as I had already given my views of why I did not believe the two situations were as close as you might have thought. The Hornets had leverage in being owned by the NBA and in the fact that, even if you do not believe there were, I believe there were other scenarios where Chris Paul might have been traded and signed an extension.

Now, where I think you really got upset was by me implying you had biases. But, you have implied I have biases quite a bit. I do. I think everyone does. I still think you have a point and that it is valid. I wasn't trying to belittle your opinion by pointing this out. Just because one has a closer attachment to a situation and may feel a certain way about it does not mean you do not "keep it real". You definitely do, but you just seemed to have a lot of emotion involved in this. I do not see it as weakness at all and I apologize if I over stepped a boundary, but I was stating my opinion and stating it in a similar way to which you addressed me.

I apologize again if I was hostile. You and I are very passionate in our beliefs and opinions. Yes, these arguments can be draining, misunderstandings often happen. But, I do not know why it came to hostility or a proposed shunning. I truly did not want this to be the case and do not feel "that ignorance", as you referred to it, was reason to just flat give up on everything I said rather than maybe asking for an explanation. We are both love basketball and I at the very least respect your knowledge base to the point where even if I disagreed with something you said to great extent, I would know that you put thought into it or I would know to ask for a greater explanation.

So, I hope it is water under the bridge, which I take as meaning we are back to normal. I think that you and I have great debates and discussions, but this one got out of hand. I definitely did not want the reaction from you I received. I just hope you know that even if you believe what I wrote was enough for you to ignore me, know that was not my intention and I was just debating my stance on the situation. I know you did not want me to write anymore, I will gladly give you the last word, but know that I found it hard to know if you meant water on the bridge as "agree to disagree" or as "I no longer will debate this person again". I hope it is the first one, because I usually enjoy your view point whether it is similar or different from mine. Not to mention, while you may not like some of my opinions, I think we actually agree on quite a bit.

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I was not picking sides, and don't think mikeyv was being ignorant at all. Just thought it was funny that somebody's solution for dealing with ignorant people, is to be even more ignorant back at them.

I'm not looking to get involved past that observation, as I have no opinion on that matter.

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