[PrecociousNeophyteParticipant]

 Would any of you guys consider/take Brandon Ingram over Ben Simmons as the first pick? Ingram has been very impressive to me this season and especially of late. I love so many things about his game, from his smooth jump shot, to his athleticism, to his defensive potential and wingspan. I could go on and on about him. We all know he has to put on weight and get stronger, but i’m sure that will come with time. I hate comparing 18 year old players to NBA all stars, but he reminds me so much of a certain player on the OKC Thunder at the same stage.

So what do you guys think? Is Simmons a lock for you at #1 or would you consider taking Ingram? If it were me with the potential of getting the #1 pick i’m taking a good hard look at Ingram.

[Hype Machine]

This is a bit of a re-post from a couple of days ago, but since the last thread has an ambiguous title I’ll assume you didn’t see it.

The KD and comparisons are easy to see…but KD was one of the best freshman in NCAA history. And he was probably even less physically developed than Ingram at the time.

He averaged 26 points, 11 boards and 2 stls/blks.

Coach K has proven that he’s willing to let one player on his team be ‘the man’…I hope he tells Grayson Allen that passing the ball is perfectly OK cos I want to see these Freshmen dominate since they’ll be gone after a year.

If I see a few more of the games like he’s had recently, I’ll gladly bump him to #1.

But Simmons is hurting his stock by being so unselfish…especially early in the season when the team was missing other starters. He went into pure scorer mode and dropped 43, and I’m convinced he can do that whenever he wants.

 

[Hype Machine]

This is a bit of a re-post from a couple of days ago, but since the last thread has an ambiguous title I’ll assume you didn’t see it.

The KD and comparisons are easy to see…but KD was one of the best freshman in NCAA history. And he was probably even less physically developed than Ingram at the time.

He averaged 26 points, 11 boards and 2 stls/blks.

Coach K has proven that he’s willing to let one player on his team be ‘the man’…I hope he tells Grayson Allen that passing the ball is perfectly OK cos I want to see these Freshmen dominate since they’ll be gone after a year.

If I see a few more of the games like he’s had recently, I’ll gladly bump him to #1.

But Simmons is hurting his stock by being so unselfish…especially early in the season when the team was missing other starters. He went into pure scorer mode and dropped 43, and I’m convinced he can do that whenever he wants.

 

[UncledrewParticipant]

Taking Ingram over Simmons would be a mistake at this point. The only thing Ingram does better than Simmons is shoot the rock. Every other aspect of the game Simmons is better. Simmons has more responsibilities which has showcased more of his skills where Ingram sole responsibility is to score which he hasn’t fully taken advantage of. The main thing to me that separates them as prospects is Simmons is much more fluid and mobile in his 6’10 230 lb frame versus Ingram at 6’9 190. Ingram should hold a quickness advantage being so light but he often looks like he lacks the quick first step to get by or get separation from nba small forwards which I think Ben will have no trouble doing.

[UncledrewParticipant]

Taking Ingram over Simmons would be a mistake at this point. The only thing Ingram does better than Simmons is shoot the rock. Every other aspect of the game Simmons is better. Simmons has more responsibilities which has showcased more of his skills where Ingram sole responsibility is to score which he hasn’t fully taken advantage of. The main thing to me that separates them as prospects is Simmons is much more fluid and mobile in his 6’10 230 lb frame versus Ingram at 6’9 190. Ingram should hold a quickness advantage being so light but he often looks like he lacks the quick first step to get by or get separation from nba small forwards which I think Ben will have no trouble doing.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Both are top prospects but Simmons has an NBA body and could mix it with the guys in the paint from day 1. I don’t think that Ingram is quite the prospect KD was back in 2006/07 but KD is a good upside for him.

At this moment I’d have Simmons at 1 and Ingram in the top 3 and battling it out with Jaylen Brown for 2nd spot. With Skal having fallen back do people think there is a bit of a gap between the top 3 and the rest. Maybe like in the 2014 draft for example.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Both are top prospects but Simmons has an NBA body and could mix it with the guys in the paint from day 1. I don’t think that Ingram is quite the prospect KD was back in 2006/07 but KD is a good upside for him.

At this moment I’d have Simmons at 1 and Ingram in the top 3 and battling it out with Jaylen Brown for 2nd spot. With Skal having fallen back do people think there is a bit of a gap between the top 3 and the rest. Maybe like in the 2014 draft for example.

 

[bigtymer32Participant]

 taking ingram over simmons would get a gm fired!

[bigtymer32Participant]

 taking ingram over simmons would get a gm fired!

[Butter13Participant]

 Not really. If you take away that 43 point game Simmons had, him and Ingram have performed similiarly with Simmons showing better rebounding. Also, I don’t know if you remember, but back in the 2008 draft, many were skeptical of OKC drafting Russell Westbrook #4 when nearly every mock draft had them taking Jerryd Bayless instead….and look at what happened. 

[Butter13Participant]

 Not really. If you take away that 43 point game Simmons had, him and Ingram have performed similiarly with Simmons showing better rebounding. Also, I don’t know if you remember, but back in the 2008 draft, many were skeptical of OKC drafting Russell Westbrook #4 when nearly every mock draft had them taking Jerryd Bayless instead….and look at what happened. 

[Hype Machine]

 This isn’t rhythmic gymnastics where the judges deduct the highest and lowest score. 

[Hype Machine]

 This isn’t rhythmic gymnastics where the judges deduct the highest and lowest score. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Simmons is more of a sure thing and an immediate impact guy. I think Ingram has a shot at #1 for the same reason I thought Towns would go 1st (since his last day of HS): he has no holes in his game. Yeah, he’s got to add weight, but that’s pretty simple to fix. He can shoot from anywhere, defend, drive, use either hand, etc. Simmons might go 1st, but Ingram can play off the ball and is a nice add for any team. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t do very well. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Simmons is more of a sure thing and an immediate impact guy. I think Ingram has a shot at #1 for the same reason I thought Towns would go 1st (since his last day of HS): he has no holes in his game. Yeah, he’s got to add weight, but that’s pretty simple to fix. He can shoot from anywhere, defend, drive, use either hand, etc. Simmons might go 1st, but Ingram can play off the ball and is a nice add for any team. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t do very well. 

[HitsterParticipant]

If both players turned out to be all stars taking one over another isn’t always seen as a disaster. We could argue that Denver might have taken Bosh or Wade before Melo if we discount Darko or even Houston missed out on MJ when they took Hakeem and 13 teams passed on Kobe in 1996.

[HitsterParticipant]

If both players turned out to be all stars taking one over another isn’t always seen as a disaster. We could argue that Denver might have taken Bosh or Wade before Melo if we discount Darko or even Houston missed out on MJ when they took Hakeem and 13 teams passed on Kobe in 1996.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I agree with bigtymer32,

GM’s don’t like to do things that can get them fired — ironically, that is ALSO the reason that they get fired.

RIGHT NOW, a GM like the embattled Sam Hinkie CANNOT take Ingram over Simmons with the first pick.  Too much can go wrong.

By the end of the year though Simmons might be 1, and Ingram might be 1a.  So then you might look at fit…

BUT, I would still think that great franchises could get away with taking that gamble over a team like the Sixers.  The C’s do it?  Red Aurbach’s ghost made a shrewd selection!  The Lakers do it?  Dangerous, but the Lakers are BACK!

If the Sixers do it, the leash shortens, and the fans get even more anxious.

For Philly: I think you look at upside.  I mean, Okafor looks good, but man, Kristaps might have been THE GUY to take.  He and Embiid could have been NASTY inside.  So, if they think that Simmons has the UPSIDE and STAR POTENTIAL then I think they go there.  So, go with the UPSIDE guy over the diaper dandy from Coach K’s One and Done Factory, umm, I mean the distinguised, prestigious liberal arts institution that IS Duke University.

It’s almost the same with the Lakers.  They already took a non-sexy pick at 2 going with D’Angelo Russell, passing on the uberpotential of Merry Kristaps.  

So, if Ben Simmons is on the board, and he is number 1 on all the mocks, I think they play it "safe".  

Hey, this could be one of those years where the top pick is GREAT, BUT being at 2 is a safer bet… take one guy or the other…  

Like the Oden-Durant draft if Oden had been good.

Maybe that would be like the Shaq draft where Shaq was THE guy (ok, also an LSU guy), but he was gone so at number 2 the Hornets get an awesome guy in Alonzo Mourning, who could have been a very solid number 1 pick in most other drafts.

I really like Ben Simmons’ potential, but for all we know his upside could be closer to Lamar Odom’s than Magic Johnson’s.  

Haven’t seen enough of Brandon Ingram to do comparisons.  I have literally only seen him play for 15-20 minutes TOPS of game action on TV but he looks long and athletic.  

Here’s hoping for a Duke-Kentucky matchup during March Madness, preferably in the Final Four.  And, here’s hoping for LSU to even GET IN the tournament.  

Ben Simmons’ "tournament" might actually be LSU’s conference games against Kentucky.  Maybe in the SEC tourney, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I agree with bigtymer32,

GM’s don’t like to do things that can get them fired — ironically, that is ALSO the reason that they get fired.

RIGHT NOW, a GM like the embattled Sam Hinkie CANNOT take Ingram over Simmons with the first pick.  Too much can go wrong.

By the end of the year though Simmons might be 1, and Ingram might be 1a.  So then you might look at fit…

BUT, I would still think that great franchises could get away with taking that gamble over a team like the Sixers.  The C’s do it?  Red Aurbach’s ghost made a shrewd selection!  The Lakers do it?  Dangerous, but the Lakers are BACK!

If the Sixers do it, the leash shortens, and the fans get even more anxious.

For Philly: I think you look at upside.  I mean, Okafor looks good, but man, Kristaps might have been THE GUY to take.  He and Embiid could have been NASTY inside.  So, if they think that Simmons has the UPSIDE and STAR POTENTIAL then I think they go there.  So, go with the UPSIDE guy over the diaper dandy from Coach K’s One and Done Factory, umm, I mean the distinguised, prestigious liberal arts institution that IS Duke University.

It’s almost the same with the Lakers.  They already took a non-sexy pick at 2 going with D’Angelo Russell, passing on the uberpotential of Merry Kristaps.  

So, if Ben Simmons is on the board, and he is number 1 on all the mocks, I think they play it "safe".  

Hey, this could be one of those years where the top pick is GREAT, BUT being at 2 is a safer bet… take one guy or the other…  

Like the Oden-Durant draft if Oden had been good.

Maybe that would be like the Shaq draft where Shaq was THE guy (ok, also an LSU guy), but he was gone so at number 2 the Hornets get an awesome guy in Alonzo Mourning, who could have been a very solid number 1 pick in most other drafts.

I really like Ben Simmons’ potential, but for all we know his upside could be closer to Lamar Odom’s than Magic Johnson’s.  

Haven’t seen enough of Brandon Ingram to do comparisons.  I have literally only seen him play for 15-20 minutes TOPS of game action on TV but he looks long and athletic.  

Here’s hoping for a Duke-Kentucky matchup during March Madness, preferably in the Final Four.  And, here’s hoping for LSU to even GET IN the tournament.  

Ben Simmons’ "tournament" might actually be LSU’s conference games against Kentucky.  Maybe in the SEC tourney, too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProximoParticipant]

 I’d take Ingram over Simmons.

[ProximoParticipant]

 I’d take Ingram over Simmons.

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