[WolfRobParticipant]

 Beal clamping down on Lamb early. This is that fire I talked about separated the two… Beal moves his feet very well and I’ve been very impressed by his defense so far.

This is one of the better match ups of summer so far.

[UNCbasketballbumParticipant]

Lamb looking shaky early, slipping, Beal picking it up and going for a dunk, then Lamb turns it right back over…

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Beal is making the most of his size as he’s bullying lamb

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You can tell Beal has had some great coaches. He just plays the game the right way and has a great understanding at such a young age. He makes the right passes. He moves without the ball. He’s not one of those guys trying to do his best Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant impression. He either shoots it, makes a decisive move and attacks or he moves the ball. He’s not a great athlete and his first step isn’t the quickest, but he’s a very strong athlete with the body to finish. He doesn’t shy away from contact.

Defensively, he’s impressive. Closes out very quickly and can adjust and slide his feet either way. Long arms. He can just cover you pretty quick.

A lot to like here and all of it will translate. He’ll contribute immediately.

[joecheck88Participant]

 Jeremy Lamb is looking like an NBA player though. He is a smooth scorer. Beal is always going to play hard and good defense. He has been shaky offensively this game. 

Tomas Santoransky looks good too. Had a nice mid range jump shot and a nice left handed dunk. He also looks comfortable handling the rock. 

The best part of this game so far was Chris Webber mixing up Ron Jeremy with Ron Burgundy. Lol. 

[WolfRobParticipant]

 Webber has been awhful… I couldn’t stand listening to him bash T-Rob the game before. He doesn’t seem educated on any of the guys playing. 

[surveParticipant]

 I didnt catch CWebb talking about TRob before the game.  I did hear his commentary during the Lakers vs Kings game.  He actually was praising TRob and said he answered a lot of his questions…like getting his shot off and finishing around the basket….etc…

He said that there has never been a great undersized PF except for Barkley.  He mentioned Weatherspoon as an example of the guys who were in the Barkley mold but werent as great.   I have to agree.  I dont see TRob becoming a great player by any stretch.   I do not subscribe to the "undersized" theories fully, because TRob is not much shorter than Karl Malone. (dont see how a 1/2 inch makes one guy short and one guy avg height for their position).

So I agree, you have Barkley…and if you count Rodman, they are really the only greats below 6’9", probably the closest guy who was on his way to being great if not for his bad back was Larry Johnson.  Thats not a knock on TRob, he will be as good as a guy like Milsap or KMart, which is not bad at all, just not great.

 

[surveParticipant]

 CWebb: "I drop the ball, somebody dive on the floor for me!"

RFox: "I’mma tell you right now, I’m not diving on that ball!"

ROTFLOL

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

And that is not a knock on Lamb. Lamb will be okay but he cant create space, he takes really tough shots.

 

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Lamb can create space as he has great dribble moves its just he’s too laid back and he coasts too much, its still fun to watch him hit Kobe like jumpers this guy is smooth with the ball

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

Kobe doesnt create space he literally shoots with guys directly on top of him. Thats not space its just his greatness hitting great shots. That gets anyone not Kobe or D Wade pulled out the game in the League. Everyone checking him looks like Shane Battier in his prime. He still hit shots which is good but nobody, (idk know why exactly) I mean nobody was willing to take Marshon Brooks in a 3/4 way trade for D12. The Clips were reportedly offering a really protected forever pick for him. The Cavs who he killed wouldnt give up a Heat pick. Lamb reaks of a guy that going to shoot 39% from the field.

[Zeke313Participant]

I don’t see how Lamb and Beal can both be listed as 6’5, Lamb is clearly taller.

[rileymcshea3Participant]

Beal is I obviously not 6’5 but there is no way he is taller then 6’3

[Raef LaFrentzParticipant]

Royce White is struggling.. FT’s aren’t really his thing and he seems to be most effective when the ball is in his hands, creating the offense.

[Raef LaFrentzParticipant]

EDIT: Free throws are his worst enemy.

[joecheck88Participant]

 I was thinking the same thing. Royce really doesn’t look comfortable out there without the ball. 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Lamb reminds me of Nick Young.

[Raef LaFrentzParticipant]

I can see that. Less of a handle right now, but he reminds me of him too.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I’ve been using that comparison for months. Both are soft SGs that can only score. I think Lamb’s handle are a little better though and has more potential as a playmaker.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Yea, I’ll give you credit for that. I couldn’t remember where I’d read it, but yea I agree with you.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

No way lamb is like Nick young, Nick was a chucker who didn’t see a shot he didn’t like and Nick has no ball handling ability and can’t play D, lamb is a very efficient scorer, has a tight handle, and uses his length to play good D, he reminds me more of Rip Hamilton/ Kevin Martin

[Raef LaFrentzParticipant]

Nick Young doesn’t have handles?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

As a Wizards fa, I can say that that Nick Young has poor handles. If he takes more than 2-3 dribbles, he gets into trouble.

[surveParticipant]

 yeah, I agree, I was never impressed with his handle…not that he cant dribble, but its useless dribbling…its like he over dribbles sometimes and his handle seems ineffective in a lot of regards.  

[surveParticipant]

 Lamb I think has a chance to be special.  I always say there are two prototypes for SG’s in the league.  One is the one one one guy who breaks you down and creates his own offense.   The other is the guy who moves without the ball.  Hamilton and of course Ray Allen fit the latter, but Allen could really create his own offense as well.  So I say if Lamb learns to be very effective off ball, he can kind of have a little Allen/Hamilton to his game.   He creates his offense a little more though and of course he is not the shooter that either of the aforementioned are.  So I agree, Lamb should be much better than Nick Young….maybe better than Kevin Martin as well.

[dolla130Participant]

i honestly think lamb will be better then beal, hes taller and hes alot smoother on offense better handler and can create his shots way easier and is taller beal maybe a tad bit better the shooter but lamb shots off the dribble and screen to me are better and isnt a bad defender his biggest question is motor other wise he woulda been a top 5 pick he has more talent and potiental then beal, beal was a safer pick to teams imo the only reason he went higher then alot of guy, beal will have trouble creating his shots and this is the summer league he needs to get a iso move or a move to just goto when things break down

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Brad  Beal started off aggressive early. Played well in the PnR. He’ll definitely be more of an off-the-ball player than a shot creator IMO, but I think he’ll have trouble getting his shot off as evidenced by this game. He doesn’t have the highest nor quickest release. Lacks an explosive 1st step. He’s a smart player though and a pretty good passer. Played good defense. FT shooting was surprisingly off today. Solid game overall though.

Shelvin Mack sucks. After laying a dud in the 1st game, he got off to a solid start in the 1st half of today’s game, but played terrible in the 2nd half. Below-average quickness and athleticism. Handle is also poor (and he can’t go left), and he doesn’t see the floor very well. He was billed as a great shooter coming out of college, but it was sreaky last yr and has been streaky in these two games. He has done a good job on D though, especially pressuring the ball. I really hope he’s not the 1st PG off the bench though going into the season. We need an upgrade at backup PG ASAP.

Jan Vesely jumpshot looks improved. He’s been a very good PnP option so far. He has looked a little lethargic though to me at least. Not sure if it’s a conditioning issue ore if he bulked up too much, but he doesn’t seem to be jumping as high as he used too. He missed like 3 dunks in the first game.

Chris Singleton needs to stop trying to do too much off the bounce. Usually when he dribbles the ball, he’s out of control. Made a few jumpers today from what I remember.

I’m not impressed w/ Tomas Satoransky. He plas w/ a high center of gravity and his handle looks a litlle shaky. Not sure how he’ll be able to make plays. If I had to guess, I doubt he ever plays an NBA game. He has bounce though evidence by that fast-break dunk he had w/ his LEFT HAND in the 1st half.

No poin commenting on anyone else on the Wizards since they have no shot at making the roster. Garrett Siler turned some heads tonight though.

[WolfRobParticipant]

 Tomas is young. Lots of potential there… All his flaws are correctable. 

 

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Wizardofoz knows what I’m talking about Nick young is slippery with the ball when he tries to put it on the floor, Tony Allen harassed him in the playoffs when Nick tried to create space

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

 Wasn’t beal supposed to be locking Lamb down, guess that went out the window.

[ghettosermonParticipant]

 Did you actually watch the game? or just the boxscore? When they are matched up at the start Beal was forcing Lamb into all types of turnovers and missed shots, a big chunk of Lamb’s scoring came in 4th quarter garbage time down 20 against the Wizards bottom 5 summer league guys. I’m not taking a shot at Lamb because I love his game but lets not pretend he put 26 on Beal, he put up a lot in summer league garbage time against Steven Gray. 

[dolla130Participant]

 Actually he scored 18 of his 26 in the First 3 quarters and couldn’t be guarded beal forced like one turnover on him and that’s when he drove to the basket the first 2 he slipped on that sticker up near half court Comming off a screen beal had nothing to do with that 

[theballerwayParticipant]

What sort of stats do you guys  realistically seeing Beal put up this year. Assuming the minutes are there, considering he was  the 3rd pick im guessing they will be.

I cant see the rebounding translating and he wasnt that high scorer college( although  the team was  fairly balanced overall scoring wise) He at this point doesnt seem to be able to create and that pretty jumper has realy fallen like it looks like it should.

 

all that right place at the right time and  playing the right way stuff is nice but what will his numbers look like?

[lalailaParticipant]

14ppg 5rpg 3apg 1sph 0.5 bpg in my mind 

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

 imo they are gonna put up very similair nba numbers around 15 too 17 points a game and very low fg percentages and not much on d on the beal mention imo hes gonna compliment j wall very well at the 2 and put up around 15 points 3 boards and 4.5 assists a night having a very solid rookie year

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

 imo they are gonna put up very similair nba numbers around 15 too 17 points a game and very low fg percentages and not much on d on the beal mention imo hes gonna compliment j wall very well at the 2 and put up around 15 points 3 boards and 4.5 assists a night having a very solid rookie year

[JoeJoParticipant]

 Lamb’s really impressed me.  Some of the knocks against him out of Uconn was that he shied away from contact and thus didn’t get to the line enough and that he didn’t create for his teammates.  He’s shown no hesitation in going right into big men and draw shooting fouls and while he hasn’t racked up the assists, he’s shown good passing vision.  He’s thrown more impressive passes in two games in Vegas than I remember him doing at Uconn. 

I don’t buy the Nick Young comparison.  I think of Young as the quinessential black hole.  Lamb isn’t close to that selfish.

On Beal, I was a huge fan of his before the draft because I loved how multidimensional he was and I still am but I’m not sure he’s going to be selected to many all-star games.  Perhaps a few but not many.  I’m pretty shocked by how much wider he’s gotten in the hips so soon after college.  Swingman are usually tapered; getting wide at the hips is a bad progression for one’s athleticism.  He also looks pretty small out there.  He doesn’t have much margin to get off his shot off the dribble.

At his size, I think you need explosive athleticism to be great.  He doesn’t have that.

I see him as a Hersey Hawkins who was also really good.

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