I think the Bulls, a young team, that's trying to continue their winning ways, should try to strike gold with this deal I thought of, between them and the Phoneix Suns...The Suns, a team in transition, that's rebuilding, should definitely do this deal also...I suggest the Suns send Amare Stoudemire and Leandro Barbosa to the Chicago Bulls, for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, James Johnson, the Bulls 2010 first round pick, and cash considerations...This deal finanically works and basketball wise, it makes sense...The Bulls are in need of a star post player, and Amare can be that player for them...Amare also would love to be the star, in a big city such as Chicago, after playing under the shadows of Nash for few seasons now...And Barbosa could definitely replace the bench scoring of Ben Gordon...Phoneix in return gets a true back up point guard, for Steve Nash, in Kirk Hinrich..They get an emerging young power forward in Tyrus Thomas, and a player who has the potential to be an elite shot blocker, something they lack...They get James Johnson, who aside from Earl Clark and Austin Daye, was the other player the Suns were targeting to draft...They get a first round pick in the 2010 draft, after losing their 2010 pick...and they get some cash back, so all in all, this is a great trade for both teams...A starting lineup of Noah, Amare, Deng, Salmons, and Rose, with bench players like Barbosa, Brad Miller, Pargo, Aaron Gray, Taj Gibson, and etc, would launch the Bulls into a contender.
The Suns would also have a nice lil' squad, that's long, athletic, and versatile...Their team would feature, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Jason Richardson, Earl Clark, Tyrus Thomas, James Johnson, Kirk Hinrich, Goran Dragic, Tim Thomas, Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley, Alando Tucker, and imagine if they do do that Ben Wallace for Tyson Chandler deal, with New Orleans, they would have a deep deep team
I suggest the Suns send Amare Stoudemire and Leandro Barbosa to the Chicago Bulls, for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, James Johnson, the Bulls 2010 first round pick, and cash considerations.
Stoudemire ( who may opt out) and Barbosa ( who's better off the bench) for 5 PLAYERS? No way...
yeah the bulls are giving up way to much. cash + next years pick put it way over the top. i really like amare on the bulls if the extend him and barbosa would be very nice off the bench.. i really like this trade for both teams though but bulls shouldnt give up that much
yes Amare is a star and Barbosa is a potential 20 ppg allstar for a raw potential star in Tomas and a bunch of role players
Even if Amare opts out, you think he would want to leave the Bulls? No!!! Amare been starving to be a star on a big market, and the Bulls, could be that team for him...Just like how Joe Johnson wanted to leave the Suns, and be "the man" for a big market city, like Atlanta, Amare wants to do the same thing...The Bulls could resign him after the season...Come on, who would'nt want to make a name for themselves in the city the greatest basketball player, shoot, sports athlete period, played for? Amare would'nt leave the Bulls if he was trade there, trust me
Yea, take out the Cash and 2010 pick...
Well, it depends...A team like The Knicks can offer him max money and he has chemistry with Mike D...
Also, Stoudemire would be the #2 option....he probably wants to be a #1
Hinrich is the only proven player the bulls would be giving up and he is expandable. The suns may lose Amare anyways. I'm just not sure what the Suns are thinking. At first when they dealt shaq, I figured they were rebuilding. But then they resign Hill and reportedly are gonna resign Nash, so obviously they are still trying to win now. But overall I like this trade for both teams.
Plus you gotta look at team needs.
Stoduemire and Barbosa to CHI for Deng, Johnson and Hinrich and a 2010 1st rounder sounds better
I don't think it's too much, because in Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa, u have two guys that can give u 20 per for a season...Barbosa could drop 20 per game easy, off the bench, the same way, Ben Gordon did for the Bulls
next years pick ain't gonna be very high. Tim thomas is not part of the bulls plans. James Johnson is unproven. And Hinrich is unnecessary with rose in town. In exchange the bulls get a all-star big and another explosive gaurd to take Gordon's spot. I don't think the bulls are giving up too much. Plus, theres no reason to believe Amare would'nt want to stay in chicago.
I dont think the Suns would go for that deal either.
This deal makes perect sense for the Suns to make...Thomas still isn't a finished product and he's a future double double player and he's a very good shot blocker, so you never know.. Going to the Suns, getting more playing time and playing with one of the league's best point guards, in Steve Nash, could have him playing like an All-Star, much like how Kenyon Martin's game went to another level, when Kidd arrived in Jersey...Plus they acquire other young players, to help them rebuild, why would'nt Kerr pull the trigger on this deal? It makes a lot of sense to me..Then if he adds Chandler, even better, he gets even more depth, and the Suns would be a better defensive team with Chandler (a shot blocker) Ty. Thomas (a shot blocker), Earl Clark ( a shot blocker), Kirk Hinrich (a good perimeter defender), and Robin Lopez (a good shot blocker), and everyone knows denfense win games, plus all those players can run, so they will fit well in Alvin Gentry's scheme.
But the reason Gentry still is the coach is because he let the team run.
Unless you have a deal where you can move Nash, no one wants a 11 million dollar backup. Tyrus Thomas is a bust in my eyes. He can barely shoot but can defend well. Tim Thomas is a scrub...lets move on. James Johnson is a rook, you dont know what your getting and a 2010 pick that wont be too high with or without the trade.
The 2nd reason is....The Suns can get more. I think to move Stoudemire, you can get a better Package. I think the Suns can get more from teams like Portland, Houston, New Jersey even a team like New Orleans can put together a better Package.
also the Pistons
This deal is not as bad as it looks but I think it would be hard for Suns to do this deal even thought they could come out ahead if everthing falls in place.
I think one piece of Bulls package would have to be left out in order for them to do deal. Either Johnson or 1st round pick.
What really amazes me is the value and fluctuation of the value of draft picks. Remember one week prior to draft, rumor was Stoudemire to Wizards for Ist ound pick in a relatively weak draft. That's quite a difference in value. A couple weeks later, we're talking about a guy drafted #16, a player drafted #4 just a couple years ago, next year's 1st round pick in what is supposed to be a deep draft, cash, an established good player and a huge expiring contract. This concept never ceased to amaze me and happens not only every year in NBA, but the NFL as well. The kicker is that it's not that bad of a deal!
Actually Hirinch is slated to make ova 9 mill for next season, and this is the modern NBA, Iverson was making ova 20 something mill coming off the bench for Rip, during the last few months off the season, with the Pistons...Dallas always have guys making 10 mill or more, to come off the bench, so I don't see the big deal with that...Ty. Thomas to me is a young Shawn Marion, and I think he can pan out to be a better player than him because unlike Marion, his jumper looks more fundamentally sound...Tim Thomas use to play for the Suns, and he actually played real well for them too, back when D'Antoni was the coach and Gentry, was the assistant, so maybe they can lit a fire into him again.. As for James Johnson, he's a player the Suns were high on, before the draft, so that's why him being included in this deal makes sense...Compared to what Golden State was offering for Amare, my deal is much more better for the Suns to make..And how in the World could Portland, New Jersey, New Orleans, Houston, or the Pistons come up with a better deal, than what I thought of?...See this is where I'ma have start shutting people down..lol Portland already made it well aware they don't want to get rid of LaMarcus Aldridge, so who else would be packaged for Amare? Then I don't know if you was reading what I said about Amare wanting to play for a big market, but umm Portland isn't no where near a big market... Also Roy is already "the man" there, and Amare wants to be "the man", so he could be mentioned in the same light as LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, D-Wade, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard...And how in the World would Amare end up in Jersey, when their saving money towards the 2010 free agency, plus rebuilding? Who would they give up, Courtney Lee and Brook Lopez, who their rebuilding with? No!!! So Jersey makes no sense..Come on guys think!!! As for New Orleans, that's another small market, so that's already out the question, plus would the Suns be dumb enough to trade Amare to another West coast team and would have to play him 4 times a season? No!!! And who New Orleans have to trade for Amare? They would be willing to trade Chandler for Ben Wallace, to clear cap, so who in return, would they give up, for Amare, David West, I don't think so!!! That's one of Chris Paul's best friend's on the team and a Byron Scott favorite...Saying the Pistons Knicksboy34 was just plain ol' idiotic, and shows your not thinking..The Pistons just spent almost all their free agency money on Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon, so why would they trade for Amare, and he plays the same position as Charlie V.? As for the Rockets, who on their team could they possibly trade for Amare? The often injured Tracy Mcgrady? Hell no!!! Phoneix would'nt want him...So yeah...Sorry guys, try a little more harder, this deal, my deal, makes the most sense.
Last time I checked...Stoudemire does not have a no trade clause...It does not matter. You can send him to Alaska and he would have to play....
you say Phenoix is in a rebuilding mode...
Stoudemire and Tucker to Houston for T-MAC 23 MIL EXPIRING DEAL, Brooks and like Battier?
Stoudemire and Barbosa to Detroit for Hamilton, Stuckey and a 2010 pick?
Stoudemire to New Orleans for Chandler, Collison and a 2010 2nd rounder?
Stoudemire, Tucker to New Jersey for Yi, CDR, Simmons and a 2010 1st rounder ( from Dallas)?
New Jersey would want Stoudemire because you would now have 2 good players and you could attract a Wade or LBJ.
yeah but they won't give up james johnson for sure also serbia for life!!!!!
Since im idiotic...I guess Stoudemire cant play the 5 in the East?
i want him in nj because we need a good power forward and also we can look in the free angence for someone like glen big baby davis or lamar odom whichever works out
europebasketball...do u actually live in europe?
With each passing year, there's more and more 7'0 footers coming into the league, such as Hasheem Thabeet, BJ Mullens, DeAndre Jordan, Andrew Bynum, Greg Oden, Roy Hibbert, Kosta Koufus, and etc...The East centers are Rasheed Wallace (he's 6'11 260), Dwight Howard (6'11 275), Shaq (7'1 325), Big Z (7'3 290), Andrew Bogut (7'0 260, Samuel Dalembert (6'11 245 with a 7'6 wingspan), Noah (7'0 242, he reportedly bulked up this Summer) and Amare is only 6'10 in sneakers, 6'9 without, doesn't have a long wingspan, which is part of the reason he doesn't block shots or rebound at a high rate, and he's only 240, so u think he really can play center in the Eastern Conference? I mean Al Horford does it, at 6'10 for the Hawks, but that's the reason, why they can't advance further, because they lack a legit center, which they need to address this off-season...But even so, Horford's wingspan, which is 7'3, makes him even bigger than his size, while Amare has a short wingspan for a big man
Most of those 7-0 guys either
Suck, Not good on O or Old. and a good portiton of them are slow
think about it. Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V and Stoudemire are a top 4 team in the east. Also, there are talk of trading for another Center so adding Stoudemire is a good chip. Also, you can let him
walk and have cap space to add a C in 2010. It's a win-win regardess.
The reason the Hawks lose every year is they have no legit #2 scoring option. Smith is kinda raw on his jumper. Bibby is up there and Williams is a 12-15 scorer...
There would be no reason for the Suns to trade for Hamilton, when they have Jason Richardson already
I like the trade and it makes sense. There are two hurdles that would have to be cleared for this to happen though.
First Amare would have to agree to an extension and who knows if that could be done. The bulls wouldn't give up all of that for a one year rental.
Second the Suns would have to move on from Nash. $9 mil for a backup is still a lot and the financially hindered Suns wouldn't do that. The Suns should completely rebuild but they are hanging on to Nash so this hurdle stops the trade.
For Prince then.
The Smartest deal would be with Houston. McGrady makes nearly half of the NBA Cap....he is a expiring contract. If your really rebuilding, you would try to add him.
Or make a trade like
Stoudemire, Barbosa,Tucker and a 2010 2nd rounder for
DeRozan, Bargani and 2010 1st rounder?
Toronto Would Never Trade Bargani he is there franchise player if bosh leaves and derozan is to young and potentially a star....so they won't go for it
noooo i'm from serbia