If you were starting a team, and you could pick one of these two players to build around, who would you pick?
THOSE 2 PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!! NOT ANY PLAYER!
Oh sorry. I will take Evans then
how many dominate big men win championships that are that short. none john wall for sure
wow ur soooooooooo funny dude. say another joke.
leppy: griffin is not short, hes one inch shorter than duncan and d-howard...plus he jumps way higher than duncan.
also, how many great pgs have won a title recently:
The Los Angeles Clippers.
^ How is that for a joke?
Clippers, what's the point of asking for our opinion if you're just going to get mad and try to give us fake facts like "great pgs without a ring" just to try to prove us wrong?
You're just on the Blake Griffin bandwagon and it's ok, he's just the next Greg Oden. And if you haven't seen Greg Oden's playing style in the NBA. Then you know what I mean. Blake will never be what he was projected to be.
If you want a list where John Wall will fall, according to you.
I'll show you a list
#1 Bigmen drafted over the last 10 years.
2000: Kenyon Martin, Injuries killed him.
2001: Kwame Brown
2002: Yao Ming, look at him now., injuries
2003: Darko Milicic
2004: Dwight, the exception, but then look at Okafor/Araujo
2005 Andrew Bogut, derailed by injuries.
2006: Andrea Bargnani
2007: Greg Oden, hasn't even played.
2009: Griffin.. still don't believe it? Thabeet. STILL DON"T BELIEVE IT? B.J. Mullens.
Anybody can make a stupid list to make players look bad.
There is a big thing on dominate big men with a less than nine foot reach never winning any championships. Kidd made it to the finals and tony parker won finals MVP and so did chauncey. I'll take a pg any day
I do think Blake can be a 20-10 guy in the league. He is a freak athlete but has IQ as well.
In my opinion, he is as close to a Karl Malone type player as anyone I have seen since the Mailman.
It is just too bad he plays for the Clippers.
I don't see the 20-10. Maybe a 15-10. I just don't see the SUPERSTAR potential.
Lets think about it the last championships have all had what? There's Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Ray Allen(granted not the best but very key), Rip Hamilton and Manu Ginobilli. They are all SG's to me they have been the key to the too championships, so going through all that Evan Turner would be my pick.
I think people forget how good he is because he hasn't played all year.
He put up 19.2 10.8 and 3.2 assists in 5 summer league games. I know it was just the summer league but he looked like a monster.
I think Blake Griffin will be a solid pro with all star years but with the way the game is played John Wall should be the pick. I think people are looking too deep at him and finding faults. Dude is 6'4" with long arms and athleticism. He can pass well and is a decent shooter now. There are not many point guard like that. He will be an All star in maybe 2 or 3 years mainly depending on where he goes because there are so many good point guard ahead of him but I am sure once he finds his groove he should be top 5. He will put up All Star numbers though just like Deron Williams had to wait. It is tough to make the All star game as a guard when guards roll deep. If you are a big man it is easier.
BTW, I would take Wall I just think Blake is going to be a stud as well.
hes going to average more than 10 rebs in his prime. he averaged over 14 rebs a game in college and along with having excellent technique, athleticism, and great leaping ability, he wants every rebound more than anybody else on the court. also, the 15-10 projection was a joke. it'll be about 25-12. i've always thought that, not just after the lottery last year. i think wall will be an incredible pg, but i would rather have a dependable, dominant big man to throw the ball to at the end of the game, then a pg who is turnover prone and has an iffy shot.
the lakers couldn't win till they got gasol, the celtics couldn't win till they got garnett, the celtics are now not as good due to garnett declining even though rondo has improved. the hornets can't do anything in the playoffs, nor can the jazz....
The Celtics also got Allen and had a PG named Rondo running that show. KG couldn't do it in his prime.
Gasol plays like a center as does Duncan.
Yeah, you know who else led the NCAA in rebounding?
Who? Yeah, exactly.
I would take Blake Griffin he is a beast, I can't wait to see him battle against Bosh 4 times a year next year for the title of the best PF of LA. Gasol will work Kaman.
D3Wade, c'mon, that is a terrible comparison. Blake went number 1 for a reason. He did that in the Big12 against much better talent.
You are better than that!
DNYCE, you've got to stop daydreaming about bosh cuz its not going to happen. theres a better chance of john wall being a laker next season...well not quite but either way bosh is not going to be a laker.
Yeah.. Lol.. I'm just hating on Blake.. I don't see a 25-13 guy as people thought.
I do see a 15-12 guy.. i'll be realistic.
oh and his work ethic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUej8x_WvvE
I just love this dunk over Sloth
For the people who took Evans and Jennings remeber this...there is a reason Griffin was undoubtedly the number 1 pick in the draft. Its easy to think of those guys right now because they played an entire season, but I think Griffin will outshine both of them if healthy. thats a big if, but this entire thread is based on 110% speculation so theres mine.
The Big man vs PG debate is a good one. There are alot of cases where teams have won without good PG's and C's and there are cases where a PG or a C is the missing piece. It all depends on the team. Some teams need a big guy more and some need that PG to run the show.
I personally would take Griffin barring health concerns because he seems to have a higher floor and a higher ceiling. He seems like he would be less likely to bust, and also more likely to be a force. Wall is a heck of a player, but I can believe it or not see him not living up to expectations...I think its unlikely, but I think it is more likely than Griffin.
I will always take a big man over a guard. Blake Griffin is my pick.
Clippers you said Griffin be 25 and 12 guy.
I really doubt he can do that!
Please tell me what makes you think this can happen?
Star PG's hardly ever win championships
For that reason alone Griffin
Star PG's hardly win championships?
Rondo is an all star
Parker is an all star - finals mvp
billups is an all star - finals mvp
you could really consider wade to be a pg - finals mvp
Duncan has a career average of 21 and 11.5.
You're saying that Blake is going to average 25 and 12? Duncans best year was 26 and 13, and I promise Duncan is much better than Blake will ever be.
At best I see Carlos Boozer type numbers being put up.. 20-10.
somebody please find me a dominate big man who has won a championship and had a reach under nine feet. exactly
everybody wants to hate on my coments but they cant prove me wrong.
tony parker and chauncey billups finals mvps.
PG over short big man anyday. Dominate centers win championships not power forwards and yes duncan should be a center
Wall...major injury to a big man's knees scares me off
Id take a great guard over a great bigman because a big mans drop off is way worse than a guards drop off you can always reup on shot blocking and athletic bigmen you cant always get a pg who knows the game well
I go Cousins bigs win titles (Shaq and TD) Cousins has a the sky as his limit he is so aggresive and not a soft big either he goes at you.
It's a tough question to answer right now considering Griffin missed the entire season. We didn't even get to see him play a regular season game. We need to see how he bounces back from this knee injury.
I realize not too many people watch Clippers games, but I guess you can call me a Clippers follower because of Eric Gordon. Griffin surpassed my expectations of him during the summer and pre-season. Everything about him. His work ethic, focus/dedication, demeanor, passion for the game, leadership, the way he talks on the floor, IQ, hustle, athleticism, rebounding ability, ability to defend the pick and roll, versatility... The way he carries himself. And the dude is super funny and down to earth. I think he's going to be a superstar. He just has the game and the personality.
Sebastian Telfair, a player who's played against the best and seen the best, named him "Amazing". I've been knowing Gordon since he was little and he doesn't show excitement about too many players. To this day he's only shown excitement about a few players that I know of... OJ Mayo and Derrick Rose during high school, LeBron James in the NBA, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Brandon Roy and Blake Griffin. When I asked him about Griffin, his eyes got big lol.
The only thing that worries me is injuries. His style of game is high energy and hustle at 110%. You hate to tell a player not to be himself, but he needs to learn to tone it down a bit. The season is a marathon, not a sprint.
^^^^However, John Wall is also an injury risk because he does some dumb things when finishing to show off at times. for example, he will have an open easy dunk and instead of going in for it easily, he'll pull up, get more momentum, and then dunk will a guy near him and then hang on the rim in an care-free manner. it doesn't make sense reading it, but if you watch him on fastbreaks, he was goes for the max style play over the easy safe play. not a big deal unless he is foul while dunking by a big man due to wall not be that strong.