[valentine]

Bismack Biyombo is more like a ben wallace player, he rebounds well, Blocks lot of shots, hell of an athlete, his offensive style is still raw but with a good coach, he can be a good player, i dont know if an allstar

but maye a good starter paired up with a Rasheed Wallace type player who can spread the floor with his three point range and defends good,

I think he could be a good pair with Andrea bargnani, though not as good as Rasheed Wallace

 

wat you think??

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

 sheed = bargs’

…OUCH… feel like a great pain in the ass…

[FilipinoElla]

not sheed = bargs, andrea cant defend but he can spread the floor with his range,

i think thats the only similarity that sheed and bargs have

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I posted that Greg Monroe would be a good guy to pair him with.  Monroe is a good all-around fundamental player.  I think Biyombo and Kemba are the best fits for the Pistons.  But they already have a lot of small guards.

[Allen_Iverson_3Participant]

(I think JunkYardDog was being ironic, at least I hope so…)

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

biyombo could be paired  with a skilled big man such as monroe… would be nice.

I’d like to see him in GS with david lee, being the big defensive center the warriors need for a long time… (where is biedrins ?).

+ 1 memphis madness (god I can’t live without that point system… Damned I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue) 

[mds0549Participant]

They don’t even know how old the guy is! This guy has bust written all over him and if he was European most people would be saying the same thing.  He came out of nowhere and will be a lottery pick for some team but I would rather gamble on someone else.  And the Ben Wallace comparisons should stop because Ben was an undrafted free agent that had a legitimate college career that you could look back on.

[Scottoant93Participant]

How about him and serge Ibaka togather, That would be a great defensive duo is Biyombo reaches his potential

[scliddiardParticipant]

There are a lot of players that we don’t have alot of game film to evaluate them on.  Kanter may be the biggest question, yet he is a top 5 or top 3 pick, Irving , we have 11 games to see what he does & he is probably #1,  Biyombo played the last half of the season on a team in the top league in Europe plus the Nike tourney, there is just as much or more film on him as Kanter & Irving, what bothers people is he isn’t an offensive player,  I agree with Givony, when he says BB could be an all star.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

as a pistons fan, theres no way id want boyimbo on my team over other more proven players such as tristan thompson  or valinciunas…

for the record career wise sheed > bargs

[laarethekingsParticipant]

If Biyombo is anything near what Big Ben was as a players you take him top 3 in this draft and don’t look back.

We are taking about Ben Wallace here right? The Ben Wallace thats a

 

• NBA Champion (2004)
• 4× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2002–2003, 2005–2006)
• 4× NBA All-Star (2003–2006)
• 3× All-NBA Second Team (2003–2004, 2006)
• 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2002–2006)

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"Blocks lot of shots, hell of an athlete, his offensive style is still raw but with a good coach, he can be a good player, i dont know if an allstar"

Was this not also said of Hasheem Thabeet (2009), Tyrus Thomas (2006), Shelden Williams (2006), Ekpe Udoh (2010), Hilton Armstrong (2006), Sean Williams (2007), Cole Aldrich (2010), Daniel Orton (2010), JaVale McGee (2008), Mouhamed Sene (2006), Cedric Simmons (2006), Larry Sanders (2010), Robin Lopez (2008), Serge Ibaka (2008), Alexis Ajinca (2008), Ian Mahinmi (2007), Hassan Whiteside (2010), Joey Dorsey (2008), Solomon Jones (2006), Mile Ilic (2006), DeAndre Jordan (2008), Solomon Alabi (2010), and Kevin Seraphin (2010)?

How does that success rate look? These were first round and first round buzz guys. Please take a moment to ask oneself why is it that with a huge recent history of shot blockers from Europe and the NCAA not successfully translating their ability to anchor a defense to the NBA that Biyombo and Valanciunas would be any different? First of all, Biyombo’s 4.1 per 40 rate for turnovers is the highest of anyone on that utterly mediocre list, and that is only the peak of the iceberg for his offensive limitations. Now, I am willing to listen to anything grounded in reason as to why he is a good pick in the lottery or has All-Star potential, but I have yet to hear one. Forget the age argument for the moment, this is a guy who played 14 games off the bench for a cash-strapped ACB team that needed to sell off Esteban Batista. Biyombo backed up current free agent Gustavo Ayon. It was Ayon, by the way, who was on the court at the end of games. Also, in addition to those magical 16 minutes and 2 blocked shots, he also committed 2 fouls and 2 turnovers. He was also foul and turnover prone in the LEB and last year in the EBA. This is not something to be looked over because fouls and turnovers cost teams games. He then skipped out on his club to play in a high school All-Star game, and then sued his team so he could hide before the draft. Here is the thing about the blocked shot, it does not guarantee a change of possession. It is not the same things as a stop. You know what is a guarantee a change of possession? A turnover. Another thing that guarantees a stop is a charge. In his prime, Ben Wallace was always among the league leaders in charges drawn. Also, shot blockers and good defenders are not synonymous. JaVale McGee, Darko Milicic, and DeAndre Jordan are three perfect examples of lousy defenders who only try to block shots. It should be of no surprise that for their shot blocking numbers had no effect on their teams stopping anyone.

Always looking to jump and block shots is a great way to pad numbers, but it isn’t good defense. If you look at Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut, Ben Wallace, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Al Horford, etc. their goal isn’t to block shots. Their goal is to be the right spot and protect the paint, and the subsequent effect of doing so will be to sometimes block shots. I don’t need to invest in a shot blocker with athleticism and not much else. Those are easily found every year, in every league, and aren’t expensive.

[NYFLAVA2K9Participant]

Good post @ bothteamsplayedhard… to add to your point, the high foul and turnover rate are overall indicative of bad timing. Sean Williams could lead the league in blocks year in year out but he’d foul out before halftime which is more of a detriment to a team than a help. I’m not against Biyombo in any way but before you through a Ben Wallace comparison out there, know what made Big Ben special. Ben’s physical strength is that of a body builder first off. Does Bismack have the drive to mold his body like Ben did?… 90% of people in the sports period can’t even match that kind of drive. Also, Ben has some of the best timing EVER and is one of the best weakside helpers EVER in the sport which can be attributed more to his high IQ than his ability. One huge thing people forget to bring up is how many steals Ben gets. He is again one of the best big men EVER at getting steals. And to boot, Ben always ranks near the top of the league in FG%. For me to accept that Biyombo is the next Ben, he’s going to have to show more similar traits beyond them both being 6-9 Centers that can block shots.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/06/11/eurocamp-day-1/

Biyombo apologists out in full force. Of course if the guy who walked out on his Spanish team and has declined all group workouts would shine in team drills. It isn’t like he ever committed fouls or turnovers in 5 on 5 games. It isn’t Biyombo’s fault the chair shut him down, it is his handler’s fault to not put out nine other players on the floor with him to distract observers from the fact that a chair has the ability to shut him down when outside three feet.

BTW, Chad Ford’s twitter questioned why the Wizards skipped this show, I don’t have a definitive answer but the fact that they have JaVale McGee, Kevin Seraphin, and Hamady Ndiaye should signal that they have enough bad shot blocky big men with no awareness or offensive skills on their roster and maybe they don’t need another one. Maybe.

[ChrischiParticipant]

Couldn’t agree more with BTPH.

And it looks like teams are seeing it, too. I think he could take a Hassan Whiteside ride. Being projected a mid 1st rounder who slips to the 2nd round. Maybe not that far, but he will slip.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 i just done see biyombo being any good

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 my bad… i just DONT see biyombo being any good

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