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Bill Simmons All Stars

West

G CP3

G Kobe

F Melo

F KD

C Gasol

Bench:

G Manu
G Deron

G Westbrook

F Love

F Duncan

F Griffin

F Dirk

East

G Rose

G Wade

F LBJ

F Amare

C D12

Bench

G Rondo

G Felton

G Allen

F Pierce

F KG

F Bosh

F Horford

I dont know about Love...outside that i pretty much agree, thoughts?


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People will disagree on this,

People will disagree on this, but how is CP3 an All-Star from everyone's perspective when he's having his worst stats since his 2nd year in NBA? It seems to me that CP3 holds some sort of entitlement for being an automatic all-star, when I feel like someone such as Monta Ellis is just as deserving and perhaps deserves a spot even more. I just think CP3 gets pampered and crowned a little too much.

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I agree ^^^ Unfortunately,

I agree ^^^

Unfortunately, CP3 is getting voted in. He hasnt been an impact scorer and even his assist numbers arent as crazy as they usually are.

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Why do you know "idk about

Why do you say "idk about Love"?

He's averaging just 1 point less than Griffin but has 3 more rebounds per game, he makes more free throws a game, he shoots a better from 3 than Griffin while shooting 3 a game. Fouls less, turns the ball over less. And he does all this while playing less minutes. He has more double doubles than Griffin. His scoring effiency is better than Griffin. His overall effiency is better than Griffins.

Now tell me, why don't you know about Love?

Because he's not fancy or cute? FK OUTTA HERE!

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Tongue Out like

Tongue Out like 23-

Apparently, you arent familar with apart of basketball called winning. Stop throwing efficiency bs at me.

When is the last time a player from a 10-33 team made the all star team?

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Uhh... David Lee's Knicks

Uhh... David Lee's Knicks were like 19-32... Blake Griffin's Clippers are have like 5 more wins than the wolves?

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so why did u not say

"idk about griffen" ??? clipps aint tht good either man

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"Why do you say "idk about

"Why do you say "idk about Love"?

He's averaging just 1 point less than Griffin but has 3 more rebounds per game, he makes more free throws a game, he shoots a better from 3 than Griffin while shooting 3 a game. Fouls less, turns the ball over less. And he does all this while playing less minutes. He has more double doubles than Griffin. His scoring effiency is better than Griffin. His overall effiency is better than Griffins.

Now tell me, why don't you know about Love?

Because he's not fancy or cute? FK OUTTA HERE!"

Teams with All-Stars don't go 10-33. Teams that lose can get statistics too, they just don't mean as much. Love is not as good as Lamar Odom, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, or LaMarcus Aldridge. He is not. Plain and simple. The only thing Minnesota did was change who was getting numbers. NOBODY IMPROVED, which is why the results are exactly the same. LaMarcus Aldridge is probably the most deserving of the group because he is carrying a crippled team to a 23-20 record. It is probably the second most impressive accomplishment of the year behind Derrick Rose just leapfrogging the East while not having his $60 million center and $76 million power forward on the floor together.

I'd also make the point that right now Josh Smith is playing at a higher level than Chris Bosh. Raymond Felton isn't more deserving than Joe Johnson. No other team can play .650 ball and get so little respect.

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lol..people always say ( well

lol..people always say ( well love team isnt winning so he shouldnt be on the team) but they forget the Clippers are a losing team as well or they think somehow its differentr

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lol..people always say ( well

lol..people always say ( well love team isnt winning so he shouldnt be on the team) but they forget the Clippers are a losing team as well or they think somehow its differentr

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Love is in the same situation

Love is in the same situation K.G was in awhile ago and he was still an all star player, if your good, your good, you cant do it all on your own anymore in this league

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Sometimes I agree with that

Sometimes I agree with that 'he's not helping his team win' arguement, but let's face it, the Clips have had a ton of injuries this season (Davis, Kaman, Foye) and for a good stretch there they were starting 3 rookies (Bledsoe, Griffen, Aminu), along with two youngsters in Jordan and Gordan. I don't care how good you are or what kind of stats you put up, that team isn't going to win games. A starting lineup with a combined 4 prior years in the NBA should be like 2-40, but the fact that they arn't is a testiment to how well Griffen has been playing and how important he is on that team.

Also, while CP3 numbers are down they are are still amoung the best in the league. And since we vote players into the allstar game based how they stack up against their peers, and not themselves from 4 years ago, I just don't see how that's a relevent arguement.

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Love and Griffin are both All-Stars. It is for the best players, not the best players just on playoff teams. And CP3 is averaging 16.3, 9.7, 2.7 steals, and shooting 48.3%, 46.3%, and 90.4% on a very average team. And he has them at 27-16 so CP3 is definitely an all-star.

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When exactly was Kevin

When exactly was Kevin Garnett's run of losing three out of four games for three straight years? I must have missed that.

LAKESHOW, I don't think Blake Griffin should be the lock that so many make him out to be, but the combination of the Clippers play of late and the game being in Los Angeles makes a significantly stronger case for him. The case for LaMarcus Aldridge is inescapable because he is winning games without $30 million worth of teammates. The case for Tim Duncan is 36-6 with four rings as the cherry on top.

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So if Kevin Love isn't an

So if Kevin Love isn't an All-Star because his team is struggling to win games, let's say if you put LeMarcus Aldridge or Blake Griffin on the Timberwolves would they be a winning team all of a sudden? Or you could think about it like this, throw any of those players i just mentioned above onto a Cleveland squad which has the same level of talent as the Wolves, do you expect those players to carry the team to winning records? You can only do so much as 1 player, theres 5 players on the court at a time.

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"Love and Griffin are both

"Love and Griffin are both All-Stars. It is for the best players, not the best players just on playoff teams. "

In the NBA, the best players win games, and you cannot find an All-Star in the history of the NBA to be on a 10-33 team.

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I would not have had Grififn

I would not have had Grififn on there if not for the run of late.

Aldridge is very deserving, and i hope he makes it over Love.

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Those All-Stars also have the

Those All-Stars also have the great benefit of having great teammates to work with. Name one All-Star who led a team to a winning record all by themselves?

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"So if Kevin Love isn't an

"So if Kevin Love isn't an All-Star because his team is struggling to win games, let's say if you put LeMarcus Aldridge or Blake Griffin on the Timberwolves would they be a winning team all of a sudden? Or you could think about it like this, throw any of those players i just mentioned above onto a Cleveland squad which has the same level of talent as the Wolves, do you expect those players to carry the team to winning records? You can only do so much as 1 player, theres 5 players on the court at a time."

LaMarcus Aldridge doesn't have a problem trying on the defensive end. Blake Griffin tries, he just doesn't always know where to be. That alone makes the team better. Minnesota has nine former lottery picks. They aren't bereft of talent. Martell Webster and Luke Ridnour contributed on playoff teams last year. Don't try to make it sound as if Love is the lone bright spot on an expansion team loaded with D-Leaguers. His laziness defensively and the culture of apathy defensively is a big part of the reason for why that team is the bottomfeeder it is.

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BTPH

Dam dude you are being stubborn as a mule on this bad teams with all-star players thing. The only knock you can find on Love is his lack of defense (dude does nothing in the blocks department for my fantasy team) and who the hell doesn't want to see Blake Griffin in an all-star game? It is for viewing pleasure after all. As for the no time in NBA history has this happened thing, there is a first time for everything!

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Those All-Stars also have the

Those All-Stars also have the great benefit of having great teammates to work with. Name one All-Star who led a team to a winning record all by themselves?

What point are you trying to make? All stars bring a winning mentality to teams, something Kevin Love doesnt know anything about. Stop twisting it around like Love is so misfortuned. Where are all these Stars on Portland? Hell, Derrick Rose has Chicago as a top 5 team in the league with Keith Bogans nad Kurt Thomas starting.

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"Those All-Stars also have

"Those All-Stars also have the great benefit of having great teammates to work with. Name one All-Star who led a team to a winning record all by themselves?"

Keith Bogans, Luol Deng, Taj Gibson, Kurt Thomas, Omer Asik, Kyle Korver, C.J. Watson, and Ronnie Brewer. Derrick Rose can do it. You like that 8-33 Cleveland team, LeBron was able to do it. Those are All-Stars.

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Easy BTPH, get ready for the

Easy BTPH, get ready for the "Luol Deng is an all star" and "Kyle Korver is the best shooter in the NBA" rants from all the Love ball huggers.

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Andre Miller and Nicolas

Andre Miller and Nicolas Batum and Wesley Matthews, you can't say they don't greatly help LaMarcus Aldridge?

Derrick Rose, has had either Boozer or Noah for the most part, thats at least 2 very good players, alongside Ronnie Brewer and Luol Deng.

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The difference between Andre

The difference between Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum, and Wesley Matthews and Luke Ridnour, Michael Beasley, and Martell Webster is what exactly?

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Quite a big difference.

Quite a big difference. Nicolas Batum is a stud, Andre Miller is a VETERAN. Wesley Matthews is a defensive stopper with a outside shot.

Luke Ridnour is a backup point guard, but theres no one else.

Martell Webster was shipped off to give room for Batum and Matthews. Because they're were better players and better defenders.

Michael Beasley is the only other good player on the Wolves roster, him and Kevin Love are the only players that can be counted on to show up and play most of the time.

Stop hating on good players on bad teams. Every All-Star has good players to work with which makes their team good. Theres 5 players on the court at a time, Kevin Love is just 1.

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i think love should be in. DO

i think love should be in. DO you see the team he is on? Beasley, ridnour and darko are his best teammates and none of those guys are more then role players. And after those guys, its gets really ugly. Trying to watch flynn, webster, brewer create for themselves is painful. Love is getting it done and no i do not think the wolves would be any better if you exchanged love for most any other pf outside of maybe 2-3 guys.

ANd paul deserves to be in there too. He is one of the most efficient pg's in the league. He is defending better then i have ever seen him defend. His percentages are top notch. He has his team in the playoffs. He is not a flashly take over game type. He just consistently runs the offense and makes sure his squad gets quality looks each time down. Real basketball fans know his true value to a team.

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BigD- Nic Batum is a stud

BigD- Nic Batum is a stud now? he averages 11.5 points per game. Since when did that qualify as a "stud". And Andre Miller is a veteran? So is Kurt Thomas, that doesnt make him better than any mediocre center in the NBA.

There are good players on bad teams. But there arent all stars. All stars make there teams rise up and win games, and stop playing it out luike the T Wolves have nobody.

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Is that all you look at

Is that all you look at points? Batum is a lockdown defender for starters.

Did you really just compare Kurt Thomas to Andre Miller?

Do the Wolves have any veterans by the way on their roster? If so, name them.

I never said they always have All-Stars around them, but they have "good" players as you said, who does Kevin Love have apart from Beasley?

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Nic Batum looked totally

Nic Batum looked totally lockdown against KD.

Or, when he gave up Luol Deng's lone 40 point performance of his career.

You are drastically overrated Miller, who is just mediocre at this point.

And i dont care if the T Wolves stink. Webster, Brewer, Beasely, Ridnour, and Milicic are all NBA players. This isnt the Cavs roster.

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love should be in, hes playing better than most other players that you listed... possibly beside from big al.. but look at minny's team... they START darko... simply put theyre best players are beasley and love... basically the rest of their players would be 2nd or 3rd string on any other team...

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"DO you see the team he is

"DO you see the team he is on?"

You mean the team with nine former lottery picks that team. The team with Martell Webster who started on a 50-win Blazer teams? The team with Luke Ridnour who was the best backup point guard in the league last year on a 46-win Bucks team. A team that would love to have a point guard of Ridnour's caliber right about now.

Please, find me the NBA All-Star who was ever on a team that went 46-138 at any point in their career. Find me the player who made the All-Star team in a year his team was 10-33. It has never happened AND FOR A VERY GOOD REASON!

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Ummm Rose has Boozer and a

Ummm Rose has Boozer and a much improved damn near 20ppg scorer dang...big difference.Look at the Clippers

Baron former Allstar

Gordan one of the top scorers in the leauge

Blake killing

And a bunch of first round lotto picks yet they still dont have a winning record yet Blake seems to get a pass on many things to alot of people.

Like i said before we shall see what the people who get paid to knwo talent think when they pick the Allstars. And they are known to not pick guys from losing teams so if Blake and Love are picked then that should tell ya alot

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@btph, i dont know why you

@btph, i dont know why you keep bringing up loves past teams records, nobody was callign him an all-star the last 2 seasons. He is 21 years old, he grew into an all-star caliber player. ANd its interesting you bring al jefferson up as being better but ignore the fact jefferson was on those last 2 teams as well.

ANd who cares where guys were drafted, that argument doesnt mean anything. RIdnour is very solid. Beasley can score points which is about it. Darko is still clueless out there although he has skills. After that, that is not a good team. Webster hasnt been the same this year becasue of injuries. Flynn has had injuries. ANyway you want to dice it, minnesota is not a good team. But watching them play, i defenitely think love is capable of doing the things he is doing on a winner.

Fact is love is a borderline all-star. I wont be mad or surprissed either way. Wins do count a LOT as they should. But some of you all are making love out to be a straight up fraud. JNixon iggy said he was a backup on a good team. Indiana basketball said he is good for about 12-8 on a good team. BTPH is making it sound like you could send half the startign pf's in the league to the wolves and they would be better.

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Solid points man. Said it perfectly.

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He has lost 3 out of 4 for

He has lost 3 out of 4 for three years. If people want to make this argument that it isn't his fault, they cannot ignore the fact that a) it has been this way for three years, b) the league mandates a level of parity by giving high drafts picks to the worst team so that they can get better. Minnesota has nine former lottery picks and they still stink and they have stunk for three years. That isn't an All-Star, and there has never been an All-Star with that record of futility. I do know that the poor level of defense displayed by the bottom of the NBA is in no way reminiscent of what you see on the good teams. I know for a fact that good teams don't leave players on the floor when they aren't playing the right way, bad teams do. The only good defensive team that has a really bad record is the beaten up Bucks, and they'll hit their stride when Jennings and Delfino get back. Defense isn't well quantified but it matters, and how you want to assign the blame for that failure is up to you.

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I think Aldridge should be in

I think Aldridge should be in over Love as well. Aldridge is having a crazy year and his team is above .500.

I also think Josh Smith should be in over Chris Bosh.

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Not true Boozer has been a

Not true Boozer has been a bad defender for years as well as two time MVp Steve Nash (worst defensive Point guard in the NBA)

So any player on the Clippers,Warriors who have been in the leauge for 2 years or more is not a Allstar Caliber player?

And i feel ya LLperez. The same guys who say Eric Gordan is so good say Love is just alright even though neither has made there team anywhere close to being a winner

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Other noted bad defenders by

Other noted bad defenders by NBA coach's and Players

Dirk

Jamal crawford

Antwan Jamison

Micheal Redd

Carmelo Anthony

All But Crawford have been Allstars and Melo has been in the MVP race before and Dirk was a MVP. Being a bad defender obviously doesn't make you a bad Player. I'm willing to bet if these guys were sorrounded by the Twolve players you would see there defense be even worst because they wouldn't have the good defenders around them that they have now

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When have any of those

When have any of those players you mentioned lost three out of four games? Kevin Love isn't the offensive player of any of those players and is a worse defender - or if you prefer just as bad, so it is not really comparable.

I will say, however, Carlos Boozer was benched a couple weeks ago for not guarding someone. Even after all these years, he doesn't get a pass for it.

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I watched Love play Griffin

I watched Love play Griffin and he was manhandled Griffin destroyed him the whole first half and scored 21 points in the first half and Love played so poorly agaisnt a good player. Since The Clippers were up by so much Griffin didnt play much in the second half and Love came in and got a double and good stats but if you watched the game Love is not even on Griffin's level as a player

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demarcus oneal, you must have

demarcus oneal, you must have watched a differeent game then me. Love picked up 2 cheap fouls in the first 7 minutes and then went to the bench. He was never matched up on blake again after that. How is that griff killing him?

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I was about to say the same

I was about to say the same thing, What game did you watch?

So because Love lost 3 out 4 games its different?...Didn't Redd lose 3 out of 4 with the bucks?..Didn't Dallas just lose 3 games with Dirk back?

Kevin Love isn't the offensive player that those guys are??? so because He's on a bad team just discount his scoring?

Al jefferson Scores just as well with Utah as he did with the Twolves

Kevin martin Scores just as well with the rockets as he did on a horrible kings team

ZBO scored buckets with a horrible Clippers team and he is getting Buckets with a better Grizz team.

Gasol did work with the grizz now does work with the world Champion Lakers. That should tell you right there you can't discount a players scoring ability just because they are on a bad team. Its actually harder because defenses are focused on you. Its funny because Micheal Jordan once said it was harder for him to score when the Bulls werent that good but became easier as Pippen got better and as he had more weapons around him

As far as All stars if the criteria is you have to be on a winning team i have zero problem with Blake and Love not making it. If its just by individual talent then they should make it. I dont care what team you are on Leading the NBA in rebounding and being the first guy in decades to average 20 plus and 15, that's impressive and hard to do. If it wasn't then someone would have been putting up those numbers every year since there are many bad teams every single year yet no one has put up those numbers

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Why so many forwards?

Usually people take 3 bench guards

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because they take 4 forwards

because they take 4 forwards i think but they dont distinguish between SF or PF just forward

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typically they take 5 bigs

typically they take 5 bigs (pf/c) 5 gaurds(sg/pg) and 2 sf's.

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SHould be Monta .... statistical evidence of him being a all sta

Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per Game (25.9)

Ranks #22 in the NBA in Assists Per Game (5.6)
Ranks #47 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.474)
Ranks #47 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (0.394)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals Per Game (2.27)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game (40.9)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Minutes Played (1678)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made (399)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts (842)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made (71)
Ranks #24 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts (180)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Free Throws (194)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (257)
Ranks #21 in the NBA in Assists (230)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals (93)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points (1063)
Ranks #25 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover (0.7)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (11.42)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes (24.09)
Ranks #37 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (5.55)
Ranks #33 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (7.35)
Ranks #47 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes (6.6)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes (2.66)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (30.4)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Total Turnovers (132)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (897)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (21.88)
Ranks #48 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (25.67)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game (3.22)
Ranks #34 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes (3.78)

Now keep in mind with efficieny stats he is above Melo and Kobe and guy like Nene are #1 so it doesnt directly tell you who is the better scorer or player but just who is the more efficient player. And this is for all positions, he leads SG's who score 20+ ppg in FG% (or top 2 last I checked). Taking all these numbers together into about 1 category only very few players match him in so many high rankings. These guys are guys like KD, LBJ and Dwight. NOT EVER SAYING HE IS AS GOOD but he has certainly really compiled a very nice case for the all star game. ! thing to keep in mind for ALL PLAYERS with TO stats is usage % which didnt show up here, the higher the usage the higher a players TO's , thats just what has happened through history. He has one of the highest Usage %'s in the NBA, the people who often lead the league in assists are usually a full time ball handling PG or a player asked to do to much. You can see what role it is by looking at usage %

My west team

PG: CP3 (doesnt deserve 1st team but will get voted in) , DWill

SG: Kobe , Monta , Manu

SF: KD, Melo

PF: Dirk, Blake

C: Pau, Love

Note: I dont think any Spur deserves the AS game this season, no one has played like an all star individually, they just play amazing team ball and work together extremely well. Like amazingly well, amazing efficiency through the team BUT they aren't asking 1 guy to carry a whole lot, its pretty well distributed and everyone on that team contributes a fair amount . But with Popovich coaching I know he'll pick one of them, either Love wont go cause he plays for Minny on a terrible team (like Monta last year) and put in Duncan or he'll give Manu the spot. I think Russ Westrbook deserves it more but the way the NBA works if your team is really good you have to have an all star.

East

PG: Rondo, Rose, Felton

SG: Wade , Joe

SF: LBJ, Granger

PF: Stat , Jsmith, Boozer

C: Dwight, Horford

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I agree with everything you

I agree with everything you said except the no Spur playing like a Allstar. /Toney Parker and Manu have played like Allstars, each taking turns being the man in different games

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Well Manu too me is a borderline AS this season

TP? No way , very good player but looking at his competition, sorry just no

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Has Chris paul really out

Has Chris paul really out played TP?..forget about the name for a minute and think about that. TP has lead his team to the best record in the NBA while putting up comparable numbers to CP3. Not saying he is better but this year it can be debated although since Paul is a starter there isnt much to talk about

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No he hasnt

I put him in cause hes going to get voted in, I dont like it but itll happen

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