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- Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:32am #31841
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantI know this was a hotter topic when LeBron and Bosh signed with Miami, but i still find it an interesting debate. Which type of team is more likely to win championships- a team with a Big 3 (i.e. Boston and LA (new and old teams), old Pistons teams), or a team with a pure team concept with everyone playing defined roles (teams like Dallas, San Antonio (though some could argue them having a big 3), and like OKC is designed now)?
Personally, I think that having a team with a singular franchise/go-to player, a couple of very good secondary players, and a slew of good role players is more crucial to winning a title than having the three best players on the court. Despite LeBron and Wade being 2 of the top 5 players in the league, and Bosh being in the top 20, they just got overwhelmed because they had no other options besides those three. Dallas won because they got huge contributions not only from Dirk, but also guys like JJ Barea, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tyson Chandler, and Jason Terry.
It seems though, that everyone that’s won a title has one of the all-time greats/franchise guys on their teams. The only exception I can think of is the Pistons back in…was it ’03 or ’04?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:10am #571985
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Heat’s big two of the Big Three don’t really complement each other well, and we still don’t know who the alpha dog is. With the Celtics, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett complemented each other and each played their roles well. PP was the true Celtic and the offensive go-to guy but he was more laid back compared to KG so KG was the emotional leader and the defensive backbone.
The old Bulls had the Big Three with MJ being the super star alpha dog and with Pippen being the superstar Rodman. Both were very versatile and great on defense. Both could score, but Jordan was clutch and the best scorer ever while Pippen was better at handling the ball and running the team. Jordan was the best Batman ever and Pippen was the best Rodman ever. MJ played the 2 and Pippen played the 3 but both could play any of the perimeter positions. Then they had Horace Grant the first go around who was the third option and the rebounder and banger inside. He was also good defensively and ADDED to the team and didn’t get in the way. On the 2nd three peat teams Dennis Rodman came in and was a better rebounder and defender than Grant but didn’t score as much. But, Rodman added more smarts and played mind games with the oponents and didn’t take shots away from Jordan and Pippen. Each Bulls three peat had a clear Big Three and the pecking order was clear. With the great Big Three established to go along with a great coach and offensive/defensive philosophy it was easier to build around the core. Each Bulls championship team had a few good non-core role players (Cartwright, Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley).
I like the Thunder because they have a young Big Three with Durant, Westbrook, and James Harden. KD needs to be the alpha dog and Westbrook needs to be the Robin. Harden complements the two superstars. Outside of the Big Three they have a good core player in Serge Ibaka and some solid role players in Perkins, Thabo, Maynor, and Collison. I still think they need a low post scorer and a scorer off the bench. Other than that they look to be in good shape.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:10am #571842
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Heat’s big two of the Big Three don’t really complement each other well, and we still don’t know who the alpha dog is. With the Celtics, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett complemented each other and each played their roles well. PP was the true Celtic and the offensive go-to guy but he was more laid back compared to KG so KG was the emotional leader and the defensive backbone.
The old Bulls had the Big Three with MJ being the super star alpha dog and with Pippen being the superstar Rodman. Both were very versatile and great on defense. Both could score, but Jordan was clutch and the best scorer ever while Pippen was better at handling the ball and running the team. Jordan was the best Batman ever and Pippen was the best Rodman ever. MJ played the 2 and Pippen played the 3 but both could play any of the perimeter positions. Then they had Horace Grant the first go around who was the third option and the rebounder and banger inside. He was also good defensively and ADDED to the team and didn’t get in the way. On the 2nd three peat teams Dennis Rodman came in and was a better rebounder and defender than Grant but didn’t score as much. But, Rodman added more smarts and played mind games with the oponents and didn’t take shots away from Jordan and Pippen. Each Bulls three peat had a clear Big Three and the pecking order was clear. With the great Big Three established to go along with a great coach and offensive/defensive philosophy it was easier to build around the core. Each Bulls championship team had a few good non-core role players (Cartwright, Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley).
I like the Thunder because they have a young Big Three with Durant, Westbrook, and James Harden. KD needs to be the alpha dog and Westbrook needs to be the Robin. Harden complements the two superstars. Outside of the Big Three they have a good core player in Serge Ibaka and some solid role players in Perkins, Thabo, Maynor, and Collison. I still think they need a low post scorer and a scorer off the bench. Other than that they look to be in good shape.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:11am #571987
NO EZ BUCKETSParticipantI think the "big 3" concept is only good when you have other good players too. For example the Celtics have a "big 3" but they have other good players, heck their best player isn’t even considered in the "big 3". But I don’t like Miami’s type of big three at all. After the "big 3" their talent level drops ALOT.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:11am #571844
NO EZ BUCKETSParticipantI think the "big 3" concept is only good when you have other good players too. For example the Celtics have a "big 3" but they have other good players, heck their best player isn’t even considered in the "big 3". But I don’t like Miami’s type of big three at all. After the "big 3" their talent level drops ALOT.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:20am #571994
Sonics96FinalsParticipantWinners win and losers lose. LeBron, harshly, is a loser in Title terms. Team concepts will always win over a big three. The term big three should be set aside forever. Dumbest crap ever dubbed a term for b-ball, there are always five on the floor at one time. When GM’s begin understanding that having twelve men that can contribute is far better than eight or nine rotation players, big three’s could start winning a team game.
Even though the Heat have a great team on paper and making the Finals is no fluke, until LeBrick can develop a JUMPER, deep or mid-range the Heat have no shot to win a championship. Why? LeBrick will be forced into LeBrick shots at crunch time. Clutch shooters drain shots on the regular, if Lebrick is inside 15 feet and moving towards the hoop, great, any two foot shot or jumper is a scarp proposition for a Heat bucket.
Basketball is a team game and always be one. Look at what has transpired in the way of drafts. Year after year more team oriented skilled players are coming from other nation’s besides the USA. LeBron was the last generation of high school phenoms with underdeveloped games splashing into the NBA. College and AAU are not the answers. For teens to grow into men as basketball players they need development of skills, like a jumper or a post hook. I am not LeBricking this to death but when I watch him play I cannot tell what part of the court he feels comfortable on.
Good Post. TEAMS all day every day. BIG THREE vs. FIVE PLAYERS, I’ll take the 5 on 3 fastbreak.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:20am #571850
Sonics96FinalsParticipantWinners win and losers lose. LeBron, harshly, is a loser in Title terms. Team concepts will always win over a big three. The term big three should be set aside forever. Dumbest crap ever dubbed a term for b-ball, there are always five on the floor at one time. When GM’s begin understanding that having twelve men that can contribute is far better than eight or nine rotation players, big three’s could start winning a team game.
Even though the Heat have a great team on paper and making the Finals is no fluke, until LeBrick can develop a JUMPER, deep or mid-range the Heat have no shot to win a championship. Why? LeBrick will be forced into LeBrick shots at crunch time. Clutch shooters drain shots on the regular, if Lebrick is inside 15 feet and moving towards the hoop, great, any two foot shot or jumper is a scarp proposition for a Heat bucket.
Basketball is a team game and always be one. Look at what has transpired in the way of drafts. Year after year more team oriented skilled players are coming from other nation’s besides the USA. LeBron was the last generation of high school phenoms with underdeveloped games splashing into the NBA. College and AAU are not the answers. For teens to grow into men as basketball players they need development of skills, like a jumper or a post hook. I am not LeBricking this to death but when I watch him play I cannot tell what part of the court he feels comfortable on.
Good Post. TEAMS all day every day. BIG THREE vs. FIVE PLAYERS, I’ll take the 5 on 3 fastbreak.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:22am #571996
Memphis MadnessParticipantIn the Mavs-Heat Finals Dirk was the best player on the court. Jason Terry, at times, played better than members of the Heat’s Big Three. In game 6 Jason Terry was the best player in the first half with Dirk being the best closer in the 4th quarter. Dallas’ Big Two was more effective than Miami’s Big Three with the Mavs superior depth finishing the job.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:22am #571852
Memphis MadnessParticipantIn the Mavs-Heat Finals Dirk was the best player on the court. Jason Terry, at times, played better than members of the Heat’s Big Three. In game 6 Jason Terry was the best player in the first half with Dirk being the best closer in the 4th quarter. Dallas’ Big Two was more effective than Miami’s Big Three with the Mavs superior depth finishing the job.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:38pm #571919
andxxxParticipantIts about the superstars the more superstars the more likely you are to win. People seem to think just cause Miami lost this year they won’t get a chance for another ring, which just isn’t true. The Dallas Mavericks, ’94-’95 Rockets, and the 04 Pistons are the only teams that I can think of that relied on having 1 superstar and the rest roleplayers or having an overall good team. Usually you need at least two stars to win a championship in the the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:38pm #572065
andxxxParticipantIts about the superstars the more superstars the more likely you are to win. People seem to think just cause Miami lost this year they won’t get a chance for another ring, which just isn’t true. The Dallas Mavericks, ’94-’95 Rockets, and the 04 Pistons are the only teams that I can think of that relied on having 1 superstar and the rest roleplayers or having an overall good team. Usually you need at least two stars to win a championship in the the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:42pm #571929
sacphil_08ParticipantIt really depends imo… boston has a team that gels well. pierce the go to option in the last few seconds of games because of his 1 on 1 abilities, ray allen provides deep shooting and shooting overrall, kg has the interior game and defensively they all have bought into the system. then they have guys like rondo who has earned a spot to make them a big 4 who doesnt take a lot of shots away from the big 3, their center was perk (theyre still trying to figure that situation out now) and he would clean up around the rim and set solid picks and knock down free throws at a solid clip for a C. So although they have a ‘big 3’ they have a complete team which is why theyre in the hunt every year. miamis big 3 doesnt gel especially well as lebron and dwade are the same kinds of players. slashers with superior athleticism and sporadic jump shots. they were able to beat other teams based off of talent en route to the finals but outside of those 2, theres nothing consistent to fall back on. chris bosh played well at times but statistics showed that miami’s success wasnt very contingent on how well bosh performed. id rather have a team like dallas where they had a ‘specialist’ so to speak for everything. j kidd provided the vet presence. knew what to do with the ball in every situation, played pesky defense and developed a consistent set jump shot. deshawn stevenson wasnt afraid to get his hands dirty, get in the head of the other teams star players and knock down open shots at a high rate. marion is a utility guy that would score on those weird unorthodox floaters, attacked the offensive glass, runs the floor well offensively and defensively. dirk is… dirk. nearly impossible to defend, 7 foot pure shooter nothing more really needs to be said here. and chandler brought the change of culture defensively, made you think twice before going to the rim for a layup or dunk and is athletic to catch the thunderous alley oops from j kidd. barea and terry are incomparable bench guys to any team. terry is as clutch as almost anyone in the league, barea played clutch and was almost a guarantee to blow by his defender and get his teammates in advantageous positions to score.
In short (lol) i’d take a ‘team’ over a big 3 any day of the week. big 3s really rely on their big 3 to produce really well almost every game and if someone is having an off night or series, it makes it tough
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:42pm #572075
sacphil_08ParticipantIt really depends imo… boston has a team that gels well. pierce the go to option in the last few seconds of games because of his 1 on 1 abilities, ray allen provides deep shooting and shooting overrall, kg has the interior game and defensively they all have bought into the system. then they have guys like rondo who has earned a spot to make them a big 4 who doesnt take a lot of shots away from the big 3, their center was perk (theyre still trying to figure that situation out now) and he would clean up around the rim and set solid picks and knock down free throws at a solid clip for a C. So although they have a ‘big 3’ they have a complete team which is why theyre in the hunt every year. miamis big 3 doesnt gel especially well as lebron and dwade are the same kinds of players. slashers with superior athleticism and sporadic jump shots. they were able to beat other teams based off of talent en route to the finals but outside of those 2, theres nothing consistent to fall back on. chris bosh played well at times but statistics showed that miami’s success wasnt very contingent on how well bosh performed. id rather have a team like dallas where they had a ‘specialist’ so to speak for everything. j kidd provided the vet presence. knew what to do with the ball in every situation, played pesky defense and developed a consistent set jump shot. deshawn stevenson wasnt afraid to get his hands dirty, get in the head of the other teams star players and knock down open shots at a high rate. marion is a utility guy that would score on those weird unorthodox floaters, attacked the offensive glass, runs the floor well offensively and defensively. dirk is… dirk. nearly impossible to defend, 7 foot pure shooter nothing more really needs to be said here. and chandler brought the change of culture defensively, made you think twice before going to the rim for a layup or dunk and is athletic to catch the thunderous alley oops from j kidd. barea and terry are incomparable bench guys to any team. terry is as clutch as almost anyone in the league, barea played clutch and was almost a guarantee to blow by his defender and get his teammates in advantageous positions to score.
In short (lol) i’d take a ‘team’ over a big 3 any day of the week. big 3s really rely on their big 3 to produce really well almost every game and if someone is having an off night or series, it makes it tough
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:09pm #571948
Cardinal_FanParticipantImo its only good having a big 3 if they complement each others games. I am a hug D’Wayne Wade fan and of course i root for the Heat since he plays for them, but i have no allegiance to the team, if he were to leave whatever team he went to i’d root 4. With that being said i wasnt a fan of Lebron coming. I like Lebron im not a huge fan of his but i do enjoy watching him play. But my perfect big 3 would have been resigning D’Wayne Wade of course, but instead of Lebron and Bosh, i would have signed Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire. Joe Johnson would have stretched the floor for Wade because he is a really good shooter, while also making you think twice about doubling Stoudamire. Stoudamire is the aggressive post player that can create his own shot, attacks the basket and not settling for jumpers alot like Bosh but being able to knock them down when needed. I also think the role players would have blended in better because Lebron has the tendency to play with the ball alot as does Wade sometimes. But with Wade he’s not going to settle for hoisting a off balanced 3 pointer with 2 seconds left on the shot clock.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:09pm #572094
Cardinal_FanParticipantImo its only good having a big 3 if they complement each others games. I am a hug D’Wayne Wade fan and of course i root for the Heat since he plays for them, but i have no allegiance to the team, if he were to leave whatever team he went to i’d root 4. With that being said i wasnt a fan of Lebron coming. I like Lebron im not a huge fan of his but i do enjoy watching him play. But my perfect big 3 would have been resigning D’Wayne Wade of course, but instead of Lebron and Bosh, i would have signed Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire. Joe Johnson would have stretched the floor for Wade because he is a really good shooter, while also making you think twice about doubling Stoudamire. Stoudamire is the aggressive post player that can create his own shot, attacks the basket and not settling for jumpers alot like Bosh but being able to knock them down when needed. I also think the role players would have blended in better because Lebron has the tendency to play with the ball alot as does Wade sometimes. But with Wade he’s not going to settle for hoisting a off balanced 3 pointer with 2 seconds left on the shot clock.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:17pm #571950
andxxxParticipant^^^ You do realize the Heat were 2 games away from winning the finals right? They finished with the third best record during the regular season. If Lebron plays like he did earlier in the playoffs they most likely win the NBA finals.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:17pm #572096
andxxxParticipant^^^ You do realize the Heat were 2 games away from winning the finals right? They finished with the third best record during the regular season. If Lebron plays like he did earlier in the playoffs they most likely win the NBA finals.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 3:09pm #572175
aamir543ParticipantIf i had to choose, I would choose the type of players the pistons had, 4 all stars, and several solid complementry role players.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 3:09pm #572027
aamir543ParticipantIf i had to choose, I would choose the type of players the pistons had, 4 all stars, and several solid complementry role players.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:01pm #572220
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantPeople always point out how Miami’s big 3 lost to the Dallas but we completely forget that Miami beat three "complete teams" with Boston, Chicago, and Philadelphia.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:01pm #572070
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantPeople always point out how Miami’s big 3 lost to the Dallas but we completely forget that Miami beat three "complete teams" with Boston, Chicago, and Philadelphia.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 6:23pm #572282
nba00ParticipantDwayne wade and lebron james are 2 of the most versatile players in the nba. They can compliment each others game if they want to, but first they need to forget about being the kind of player that they used to when they are alone on their old teams and try to fit with the stars that they have right now.
Lebron should be the 3rd scoring option because he is the best playmaker, bosh should be the number 1 since he is the big guy and wade is the second option being the outside scoring threat and better in moving without the ball than lebron. The heat big 3’s stats must fall for them to get their role players involved. If they are getting the same numbers as they used to it will always be a 3 man team.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 6:23pm #572132
nba00ParticipantDwayne wade and lebron james are 2 of the most versatile players in the nba. They can compliment each others game if they want to, but first they need to forget about being the kind of player that they used to when they are alone on their old teams and try to fit with the stars that they have right now.
Lebron should be the 3rd scoring option because he is the best playmaker, bosh should be the number 1 since he is the big guy and wade is the second option being the outside scoring threat and better in moving without the ball than lebron. The heat big 3’s stats must fall for them to get their role players involved. If they are getting the same numbers as they used to it will always be a 3 man team.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 6:31am #572204
sacphil_08ParticipantIt’s pointless to say "if" this and that… If dallas didnt shoot an abysmal shooting percentage in games 1 and 3 then they would sweep miami. its really stupid to say if… if in 2005 in game 5 if the pistons make someone besides robert horry shoot that 3 then detroit wins the chip that year. if derrick rose wasnt tired like he claimed to be in the conf finals then the bulls might win.
also, philadelphia and chicago are not complete teams. philly has no deep shooting outside of a couple streaky guys. they had no legit starting center. chicago although well coached lacks the talent to win a championship right now. they need another guy outside of d rose to be able to consistently create his shot, they need more production out of their frontline, namely boozer… d rose played out of his mind, thibbs preached defense to an extreme that we havent seen since maybe boston and thats how they won 62 games believe it or not. also, not to take from miami, but boston was minus a legit starting center and rondo wasnt fully healthy.
better arguments please…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 6:31am #572354
sacphil_08ParticipantIt’s pointless to say "if" this and that… If dallas didnt shoot an abysmal shooting percentage in games 1 and 3 then they would sweep miami. its really stupid to say if… if in 2005 in game 5 if the pistons make someone besides robert horry shoot that 3 then detroit wins the chip that year. if derrick rose wasnt tired like he claimed to be in the conf finals then the bulls might win.
also, philadelphia and chicago are not complete teams. philly has no deep shooting outside of a couple streaky guys. they had no legit starting center. chicago although well coached lacks the talent to win a championship right now. they need another guy outside of d rose to be able to consistently create his shot, they need more production out of their frontline, namely boozer… d rose played out of his mind, thibbs preached defense to an extreme that we havent seen since maybe boston and thats how they won 62 games believe it or not. also, not to take from miami, but boston was minus a legit starting center and rondo wasnt fully healthy.
better arguments please…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 6:43am #572211
andxxxParticipantThe fact is the Heat were 2 games away from winning the finals and when they were up 2-1 most ppl thought the Heat were a mismatch for the Mavs. I think its more that the Mavs maatched up better against the Heat than any other team they could’ve faced. The series was close, but it wasn’t that the Heat were not a complete team, but they did not match up well against the Mavs. I disagree with ppl that feel that have to blow up the big 3 just because they lost in the finals when many ppl did not have them even making it to the finals
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 6:43am #572363
andxxxParticipantThe fact is the Heat were 2 games away from winning the finals and when they were up 2-1 most ppl thought the Heat were a mismatch for the Mavs. I think its more that the Mavs maatched up better against the Heat than any other team they could’ve faced. The series was close, but it wasn’t that the Heat were not a complete team, but they did not match up well against the Mavs. I disagree with ppl that feel that have to blow up the big 3 just because they lost in the finals when many ppl did not have them even making it to the finals
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 7:20am #572243
sacphil_08Participantandxxx
you lack knowledge sir if anything miami had all the mismatches. no one was supposed to be able to consistently guard lebron or wade on the perimeter, and bosh was to score almost as much as dirk right? that series was proof that a complete team can get it done rather than a "big 3" which was more like a big 2 with the three of their combined efforts. dirk was the only matchup you could say he is gonna get his. lebron and wade would guard terry negating his offensive punch, lebron or wade would guard barea stopping his penetration. it just didnt work. mind you miami has nothing outside the 3 of those guys but still the big 3 was supposed to be enough against a "soft" dallas team… go figure
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 7:20am #572395
sacphil_08Participantandxxx
you lack knowledge sir if anything miami had all the mismatches. no one was supposed to be able to consistently guard lebron or wade on the perimeter, and bosh was to score almost as much as dirk right? that series was proof that a complete team can get it done rather than a "big 3" which was more like a big 2 with the three of their combined efforts. dirk was the only matchup you could say he is gonna get his. lebron and wade would guard terry negating his offensive punch, lebron or wade would guard barea stopping his penetration. it just didnt work. mind you miami has nothing outside the 3 of those guys but still the big 3 was supposed to be enough against a "soft" dallas team… go figure
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 7:29am #572257
aamir543ParticipantI’ll give Marion credit for guarding Lebron, but somthing was wrong with Lebron’s head. If you refuse to drive against Peja, than you have problems.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 7:29am #572409
aamir543ParticipantI’ll give Marion credit for guarding Lebron, but somthing was wrong with Lebron’s head. If you refuse to drive against Peja, than you have problems.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 7:41am #572417
andxxxParticipantThose guys were not suppose to be able to guard Miami’s guys individually I’ll give you that, but with their combination of zone and tyson chandler in the middle the Heat had trouble getting anything in the paint. If you saw the series they were settling for jumpers a lot of times there was a game Lebron had more 3 point attempts than free throw attempts. Also, the fact that Lebron had by far the worst FG% against Dallas than any other team during the regular obviously meant something. Lebron shot 31% from the field against Dallas during the regular season, of course its his job to step up, but obviously Dallas was able to play the defense against Lebron noone else could. I feel its more about how great the Mavs are than how incomplete the Heat were.
Oh yeah and that "soft" Mavs team got past the Trailblazers, Lakers, and Thunder fairly easily before going against the Heat. They’re really good
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 7:41am #572266
andxxxParticipantThose guys were not suppose to be able to guard Miami’s guys individually I’ll give you that, but with their combination of zone and tyson chandler in the middle the Heat had trouble getting anything in the paint. If you saw the series they were settling for jumpers a lot of times there was a game Lebron had more 3 point attempts than free throw attempts. Also, the fact that Lebron had by far the worst FG% against Dallas than any other team during the regular obviously meant something. Lebron shot 31% from the field against Dallas during the regular season, of course its his job to step up, but obviously Dallas was able to play the defense against Lebron noone else could. I feel its more about how great the Mavs are than how incomplete the Heat were.
Oh yeah and that "soft" Mavs team got past the Trailblazers, Lakers, and Thunder fairly easily before going against the Heat. They’re really good
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 9:00am #572467
dwilks101586ParticipantThis finals kind of reminded me of the 04 finals when the mailman and GP went to LA and lost to the Pistons that was a complete team (pistons).
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 9:00am #572315
dwilks101586ParticipantThis finals kind of reminded me of the 04 finals when the mailman and GP went to LA and lost to the Pistons that was a complete team (pistons).
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