[JNixonParticipant]

Baylor:

Perry Jones- A big-time talent at PF…Can handle the ball well for a 6’10 guy…Very good athlete…Pretty smooth…Possesses decent shooting touch…Can pass the ball well… Lacks consistent shooting range, and is best from 18 feet…Isn’t all that polished yet…Not very aggressive or tough…Will shy away from the paint, and doesn’t care for contact…Still getting stronger…Will disappear at times…Doesn’t have a killer instinct, so likely not a franchise player type

Quincy Miller- A top SF prospect…6’9 SF with a thin, but developing 215 lb body…Long…Good athleticism…Smooth…Excellect footwork and ball-handling skills for a 6’9 guys make him a threat as a slasher…A potential matchup nightmare…Can operate in the post or face up and hit shots…Very confident…Not a devoted defender or rebounder right now…His ACL injury is a concern, athough he has gotten bigger and stronger through rehab…Great scoring potential

Anthony Jones- A 6’10 210 SG/SF, who can shoot the deep ball and handle the ball…Very good athlete who will make "wow" plays at times..Very nice touch…Long arms…Not a bad rebounder…Has underachieved given his tools and athleticism…Been waiting for him to break out for a while…Very much lacking in aggression…Similar to Omri Casspi

Quincy Acy- 6’7 235 athletic freak with very long arms…Will try and dunk EVERYTHING at the rim, and usually succeeds…Works hard to get himself shots at the rim…Runs the floor well…Sets strong screens…Very strong and tough…Decent rebounder…His blocks and dunks often change the momentum of games…Doesn’t defend all that well for a guy who will have to to have a spot in the NBA…Pretty low skill level…Not likely to score with his back to the basket or shooting facing up…

Deuce Bello- A thin 6’4 SG/SF…Explosive athlete, with big-time speed, quickness and leaping skills…Pretty long…Loves to play above the rim…Will be a huge threat in the passing lanes in college…Terrific in transition…Dynamite 1^st step…Not a very good shooter…Ball-handling can improve…Plays more like a swingman than a 6’4 180 lb guy should

Kansas:

Tyshawn Taylor- 6’3 190 PG who is probably the most experienced player in the conference…Solid athlete with nice quickness and size…He’s a PG, but his floor vision and ball-handling are decent at best…OK shot, but is pretty good when left open…Some times falls asleep on the floor and lacks awareness…Has some character concerns…Focused enough?

Thomas Robinson- 6’9 225 PF…Great athleticism…Pretty strong…Plays with energy…Able to be a mismatch player offensively, using his quickness against bigger matchups and strength on smaller ones…Can score without plays being run for him…Great running the floor…Solid rebounder…Has a developing mid-range game…Low post game is a work in progress…Should watch out for fouls…Should be very productive for a KU team that loss 1^st rounds talent as his position

Elijah Johnson- 6’2 combo guard with freak athleticism and good size if he was an actual PG…Good defensive potential…Not a real PG and a mediocre shooter…Really just an athlete who plays basketball right now

Kansas State:

Jamar Samuels- One of the bigger matchup problems in the Big 12….Can face up and post up at 6’8 215….Can use quickness against big PF’s…Played great D at times, but he’s a bit too foul prone and is prone to gambling…Poor ball-handler…Makes mental mistakes at times…Complains to the refs too much…Needs more lbs…Struggled pretty badly last year…Will be look at for production next year as a Sr. leader

Mizzou:

Kim English- 6’6 195 Sr. SG with a nice upside…Mid-range skills are good, and he has a nice 3-ball too…His shooting skills off screens is promising…Decent athlete and physical presence on the wing…Charismatic leader…Needs to improve his defense and shot-selection a bit…Also needs more strength…Ball-handling isn’t very good

Lawrence Bowers- Sr. athletic monster who finishes explosively at the rim…A combo forward at 6’8 210, he’s not a scorer really and plays like a Renaldo Balkman/DeMarre Carroll type…Rebounds and plays energetic D, especially off the ball for steals and blocks…Not an offensive player

Marcus Denmon- A sturdy 6’2 205 combo guard…Great mid-range game…Solid athlete…Good scoring skills…Competes on D, and will get steals…Good fit in the up-tempo style Mizzou loves to play…Not a true PG

Ricardo Ratcliffe- A solid talent as a 6’8 240 PF…Pretty strong…Strong rebounder and plays with the energy needed for their press…Decent scorer…Needs to refine his low post game more…Relies on his strength a bit too much at times

Phil Pressey- Long term prospect…5’10 160 Soph. combo guard…Very quick and athletic…Sweet shot…A very good scorer…Not all that true a PG…His lack of size hurts him on D and around the rim…Pesky ball thief

Oklahoma State:

LeBryan Nash- A physical specimen for a SF as a Fr., having an NBA body already at 6’7 225…Excellent athleticism…Pretty good perimeter game…Nice shot…Can post up, and will only get better as he continues to grow and work on his game…Will put points on the board in a hurry…Pretty decent rebounding skills…Not all that unselfish…Has a rep as a bit of a malcontent on the court…Mediocre D…Will be an immediate impact player in OK State’s wide open style of play offensively…Probably a 2 year guy, but wouldn’t surprise me AT ALL to see him being 1 and done

Texas:

Myck Kabongo- A skinny 6’1 160 Fr. PG…Great athlete…Big-time quickness…Pure PG…Understands how to change pace off the dribble…Remarkable passing ability…Will thread the needle from far away…Unselfish…Long arms…Excels in the drive in dish…Can pressure the ball on D, and use his length to be a pest as a ball thief…Mediocre shooter, who’s mechanical form is only truly effective when he’s left open…Doesn’t look for his own shots a lot…Lacks strength and size and likely will struggle finishing around the rim in the Big 12…Touted PG prospect

J’Covan Brown- 6’2 combo guard with a stocky frame…Confident scorer and shooter and will let it fly when he gets the ball…Nice shooting touch…Makes no mistakes from the foul line…Not a PG…Very selfish…Doesn’t defend well…Lacks athleticism…Not very quick…Character concerns?

Texas A&M:

David Lobeau- Athletic and long 6’8 Sr. PF/C…Can finish at the rim…Really looks good running the floor…Can face up a little…Not very polished…Weak at 220 lbs…Doesn’t block shots or rebounds anywhere near as good as he should, considering his physical and athletic profile…Has a jump hook, but past that it’s tough for him to score with his back to the basket…Long term intrigue

Khris Middleton- A 6’7 205 Jr. SF with very good scoring skills…Very smooth athlete…Plays the game at his own pace…Nice jump shot and can shoot the 3 ball…Best from mid-range though…Unselfish player…Average defender and rebounder…Can improve his handle and shot-creating ability…Will be a candidate for a 1st round pick and for the Big 12 Player or the Year award next year

 

[TRC1991Participant]

jorrye loubeau is 6’8” not 7’0”

[TRC1991Participant]

jorrye loubeau is 6’8” not 7’0”

[JNixonParticipant]

Thanks

[JNixonParticipant]

Thanks

[providencefriars1Participant]

Very nice man, I guess you are not a fan of Keiton Page or JP Oluwekemi who both have outside chances, maybe Naadir Tharpe of Kansas too

[providencefriars1Participant]

Very nice man, I guess you are not a fan of Keiton Page or JP Oluwekemi who both have outside chances, maybe Naadir Tharpe of Kansas too

[scoutguruParticipant]

What you wrote about Elijah Johnson is interesting. I was just looking him up the other day, and was checking out his recruiting. All the different  services I checked seemed to differ in regards to whether he was a pg or sg. Its like Kansas always has those guards who aren’t solely a 1 or 2, but can play a lil of both. They just put quality guards out there that could do a number of diff things on the floor.

And although J’Covan has some shortcomings for the next level, I really like that kid’s toughness. Since I seen him as a freshman, he just plays with that edge and doesn’t back down from a challenge. Watching him, got me immediately thinking like yo, this kid has a lil Jamaal Tinsley in him in the way he plays and moves out there on the court. The thing is just his point guard skills, he just has the mentality of a scorer. After Balbay went down last year, and he was put at the point, he struggled making good decisions and initiating offense, which isn’t uncommon for a frosh but he’s just is a guy looking for his shot. With all the underclassmen declaring he should play a prominate role in Texas’ offense the next 2 yrs, so we’ll see how he can develop as a playmaker somewhat even though he’ll be probably not be the sole pg-decision maker with Kabongo there.

[scoutguruParticipant]

What you wrote about Elijah Johnson is interesting. I was just looking him up the other day, and was checking out his recruiting. All the different  services I checked seemed to differ in regards to whether he was a pg or sg. Its like Kansas always has those guards who aren’t solely a 1 or 2, but can play a lil of both. They just put quality guards out there that could do a number of diff things on the floor.

And although J’Covan has some shortcomings for the next level, I really like that kid’s toughness. Since I seen him as a freshman, he just plays with that edge and doesn’t back down from a challenge. Watching him, got me immediately thinking like yo, this kid has a lil Jamaal Tinsley in him in the way he plays and moves out there on the court. The thing is just his point guard skills, he just has the mentality of a scorer. After Balbay went down last year, and he was put at the point, he struggled making good decisions and initiating offense, which isn’t uncommon for a frosh but he’s just is a guy looking for his shot. With all the underclassmen declaring he should play a prominate role in Texas’ offense the next 2 yrs, so we’ll see how he can develop as a playmaker somewhat even though he’ll be probably not be the sole pg-decision maker with Kabongo there.

[JNixonParticipant]

"Very nice man, I guess you are not a fan of Keiton Page or JP Oluwekemi who both have outside chances, maybe Naadir Tharpe of Kansas too"

Keiton Page MIGHT have a chance to be a prospect, but I wouldn’t think it’s anything of note. There are mid-major PG’s out there that are just like him and haven’t sniffed the NBA.

Oluwekemi might be in the long term, but I have to see how he does with Guerrero, Page, and Nash on the team.

I don’t even know who Naadir Tharpe is.

[JNixonParticipant]

"Very nice man, I guess you are not a fan of Keiton Page or JP Oluwekemi who both have outside chances, maybe Naadir Tharpe of Kansas too"

Keiton Page MIGHT have a chance to be a prospect, but I wouldn’t think it’s anything of note. There are mid-major PG’s out there that are just like him and haven’t sniffed the NBA.

Oluwekemi might be in the long term, but I have to see how he does with Guerrero, Page, and Nash on the team.

I don’t even know who Naadir Tharpe is.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

shiiit, when did Baylor get so stackedd

[MagikKnickParticipant]

shiiit, when did Baylor get so stackedd

[WizardofOzParticipant]

How did you watch all these incoming freshman? Did you go to there games, or did you see them on TV? Or did you just go by what other scouting reports said? Just curious, because I don’t think guys like Quincy Miller and Deuce Bello had games on TV last year.

Great writeup though!

[WizardofOzParticipant]

How did you watch all these incoming freshman? Did you go to there games, or did you see them on TV? Or did you just go by what other scouting reports said? Just curious, because I don’t think guys like Quincy Miller and Deuce Bello had games on TV last year.

Great writeup though!

[JoeWolf1]

 Naadir Tharpe is an incoming freshman point guard at KU, from what I’ve read he is a pure point who thrives in the open court and is a pass first player.  High PG IQ, but apparently he has improved his jumper but it still needs work and he has a slight build at 6′ 170lbs.  He’s ranked high out of high school, but when it comes to NBA prospects I think we’ll have to see how he develops in college to put him in that category.  He certainly has the potential to, but with his shaky jumper and current skill set he’s drawn a lot of comparisons to former KU point guard Aaron Miles.

 

[JoeWolf1]

 Naadir Tharpe is an incoming freshman point guard at KU, from what I’ve read he is a pure point who thrives in the open court and is a pass first player.  High PG IQ, but apparently he has improved his jumper but it still needs work and he has a slight build at 6′ 170lbs.  He’s ranked high out of high school, but when it comes to NBA prospects I think we’ll have to see how he develops in college to put him in that category.  He certainly has the potential to, but with his shaky jumper and current skill set he’s drawn a lot of comparisons to former KU point guard Aaron Miles.

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Richardo Ratcliffe is a poor man’s Zack Randolph.He might be a mid to late 1st round pick..He and Thomas Robinson are almost similar..

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Richardo Ratcliffe is a poor man’s Zack Randolph.He might be a mid to late 1st round pick..He and Thomas Robinson are almost similar..

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

i aint trying to start nothing..but aint it strange all those skinny black dudes they’re bringing to baylor? lmao

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

i aint trying to start nothing..but aint it strange all those skinny black dudes they’re bringing to baylor? lmao

[JNixonParticipant]

Ricardo Ratcliffe isn’t much like Thomas Robinson at all. Ratcliffe isn’t nearly as athletic, and he’s more of a back to the basket, rugged low post player.

Quincy Miller played AAU in his Jr. year, that’s when I last watched him play. He missed his Sr. year due to an ACL injury. Deuce Bello played in a tourny in California as recent as early this year on TV, and even though it was an All-Star event I picked up on a couple of things about him. Bello also was in a camp on of my old HS teammates played in, and I’ve seen footage of it.

[JNixonParticipant]

Ricardo Ratcliffe isn’t much like Thomas Robinson at all. Ratcliffe isn’t nearly as athletic, and he’s more of a back to the basket, rugged low post player.

Quincy Miller played AAU in his Jr. year, that’s when I last watched him play. He missed his Sr. year due to an ACL injury. Deuce Bello played in a tourny in California as recent as early this year on TV, and even though it was an All-Star event I picked up on a couple of things about him. Bello also was in a camp on of my old HS teammates played in, and I’ve seen footage of it.

[JNixonParticipant]

"i aint trying to start nothing..but aint it strange all those skinny black dudes they’re bringing to baylor? lmao"

They target long, ultra athletic players on the wings. They have ever since Scott Drew has been there. They are starting to get more and more high profile guys now though, so all of the long athletes they are scooping up now are nationally ranked recruits.

[JNixonParticipant]

"i aint trying to start nothing..but aint it strange all those skinny black dudes they’re bringing to baylor? lmao"

They target long, ultra athletic players on the wings. They have ever since Scott Drew has been there. They are starting to get more and more high profile guys now though, so all of the long athletes they are scooping up now are nationally ranked recruits.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

i thought for sure thomas robinson was coming out this year..i felt he would turn pro to help take care of his sister..He might’ve went top 10..next year he might slip to the 14 to 20 range..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

i thought for sure thomas robinson was coming out this year..i felt he would turn pro to help take care of his sister..He might’ve went top 10..next year he might slip to the 14 to 20 range..

[JoeWolf1]

 One thing Thomas Robinson will benefit from this year is the fact he is going to produce at a very high level.  He’s going to play a lot of minutes next year and I wouldn’t be surprised if he rebounded in the 11-12 rpg range.  You make a good point about his stock next season, because the class is much stronger, but even gets a consistant jumper at 10 feet so that defenders can’t lag off he’ll be fine.  That’s a big if though, I think with what he brings to the table with his rebounding, frame and athleticism alone he’s at least a late lotto guy next year.

[JoeWolf1]

 One thing Thomas Robinson will benefit from this year is the fact he is going to produce at a very high level.  He’s going to play a lot of minutes next year and I wouldn’t be surprised if he rebounded in the 11-12 rpg range.  You make a good point about his stock next season, because the class is much stronger, but even gets a consistant jumper at 10 feet so that defenders can’t lag off he’ll be fine.  That’s a big if though, I think with what he brings to the table with his rebounding, frame and athleticism alone he’s at least a late lotto guy next year.

[surveParticipant]

You hit it on the head bro….BAYLOR has got talent for days.  If Bello can become a decent ballhandler, he is definitely a prospect to watch for, because he is long as the day.  I cant wait to see Jones and Miller together, possibly to 2 most skilled big men in college period.

[surveParticipant]

You hit it on the head bro….BAYLOR has got talent for days.  If Bello can become a decent ballhandler, he is definitely a prospect to watch for, because he is long as the day.  I cant wait to see Jones and Miller together, possibly to 2 most skilled big men in college period.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Baylor coach Scott Drew said he think’s Perry Jones can become the #1 pick in next year’s draft. He says he wants him to be more "aggressive and consistent". He also says that he sometimes tends to coast and needs to keep his motor high.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213877/Perry_Jones_Aims_To_Be_No_1_Pick_In_2012_Draft

It’s good that the coach knows all his major weaknesses, and that Perry will work on them. He also talked his perimeter game "improving like Derrick Williams’ did." Maybe he wants to make a full-time switch to SF?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Baylor coach Scott Drew said he think’s Perry Jones can become the #1 pick in next year’s draft. He says he wants him to be more "aggressive and consistent". He also says that he sometimes tends to coast and needs to keep his motor high.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213877/Perry_Jones_Aims_To_Be_No_1_Pick_In_2012_Draft

It’s good that the coach knows all his major weaknesses, and that Perry will work on them. He also talked his perimeter game "improving like Derrick Williams’ did." Maybe he wants to make a full-time switch to SF?

[surveParticipant]

I am not sure Robinson wouldve been a 1st rounder this year, but next year….he most surely will be. 

[surveParticipant]

I am not sure Robinson wouldve been a 1st rounder this year, but next year….he most surely will be. 

[providencefriars1Participant]

Ive heard scouts say that Tharpe could start for Kansas by the end of the year, I wasnt saying he would come out this year but in the future he’s a name to file.

[HitsterParticipant]

Perry Jones needs to really step up with Quincy Miller alongside him if he wants to maintain his draft position. Hopefully another year will help him polish his game a bit more and the arrival of Miller should help to really motivate him.

Seeing the freshmen alongside highly rated returning Sophs, Juniors and Seniors will be fascinating on many teams.

[providencefriars1Participant]

Ive heard scouts say that Tharpe could start for Kansas by the end of the year, I wasnt saying he would come out this year but in the future he’s a name to file.

[HitsterParticipant]

Perry Jones needs to really step up with Quincy Miller alongside him if he wants to maintain his draft position. Hopefully another year will help him polish his game a bit more and the arrival of Miller should help to really motivate him.

Seeing the freshmen alongside highly rated returning Sophs, Juniors and Seniors will be fascinating on many teams.

[surveParticipant]

Perry Jones has #1 pick talent but his demeanor is not of a 1st option type guy, he is more like Lamar Odom, multi-skilled but probably best suited to be a 2nd or 3rd option.  Also, I dont think he will play much at the 3, I think that will be Miller because Miller likes to play on the perimeter more.  Either way, Baylor has ridiculous talent with those two.

[surveParticipant]

Perry Jones has #1 pick talent but his demeanor is not of a 1st option type guy, he is more like Lamar Odom, multi-skilled but probably best suited to be a 2nd or 3rd option.  Also, I dont think he will play much at the 3, I think that will be Miller because Miller likes to play on the perimeter more.  Either way, Baylor has ridiculous talent with those two.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller passed Jones as a prospect. Miller has big scoring potential and he’s a huge mismatch as a 6’9 wing who can post against smaller guys. I actually like him more as a prospect than Perry Jones if he’s 100% from the ACL injury.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller passed Jones as a prospect. Miller has big scoring potential and he’s a huge mismatch as a 6’9 wing who can post against smaller guys. I actually like him more as a prospect than Perry Jones if he’s 100% from the ACL injury.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Elija Johnson didn’t get much time as a freshman but came up big at times when called upon last year.   He showed flashes of being a true PG who looks to get everyone involved and not as concerned about getting his.  I hope T-Rob the best next year and hope to see him in the first round.  I spent time with him last summer and he was a class act and a cool ass dude before the tragedy happened.  

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Elija Johnson didn’t get much time as a freshman but came up big at times when called upon last year.   He showed flashes of being a true PG who looks to get everyone involved and not as concerned about getting his.  I hope T-Rob the best next year and hope to see him in the first round.  I spent time with him last summer and he was a class act and a cool ass dude before the tragedy happened.  

[surveParticipant]

although they are both highly skilled, Miller is a scorer and has a 1st option mentality, Jones doesnt.   Jones just has the look of a Lamar Odom type to me, which I am a huge Odom fan and there is NOTHING wrong with that, but saying that to say…Jones seems to be more of a complimentary piece where Miller looks to be a solid #1 or 2 option.

[surveParticipant]

although they are both highly skilled, Miller is a scorer and has a 1st option mentality, Jones doesnt.   Jones just has the look of a Lamar Odom type to me, which I am a huge Odom fan and there is NOTHING wrong with that, but saying that to say…Jones seems to be more of a complimentary piece where Miller looks to be a solid #1 or 2 option.

[surveParticipant]

I may be wrong, but I like Robinson’s potential better than the twins. 

[surveParticipant]

I may be wrong, but I like Robinson’s potential better than the twins. 

[JNixonParticipant]

Ehhh, I can’t agree. I think there is a reason his minutes were so limited for 2 years behind them, and I don’t think he’s nearly as skilled as either one of them. The Morris twins grew up ALOT every year they were in college, and they were very good all-around players. Robinson hasn’t showed the same types of skills or improvements that the Morris twins showed. I think he’s more athletic and possibly a better rebounder than Marcus was, but I don’t see him having more potential or being as good as those guys were.

[JNixonParticipant]

Ehhh, I can’t agree. I think there is a reason his minutes were so limited for 2 years behind them, and I don’t think he’s nearly as skilled as either one of them. The Morris twins grew up ALOT every year they were in college, and they were very good all-around players. Robinson hasn’t showed the same types of skills or improvements that the Morris twins showed. I think he’s more athletic and possibly a better rebounder than Marcus was, but I don’t see him having more potential or being as good as those guys were.

[JoeWolf1]

 Yeah, his potential lies in his athleticism and although I don’t know for sure I would bet his wingspan is arount 7′.  I don’t think he’ll ever be as skilled as either twin, but I think he’ll be a better rebounder and shot blocker.  Surprisingly the best part of his game as far as more advanced offense is his first step and ball handling.  The guy has about a drop step and nothing else on the low block, but he can beat guys to the hole due to his quickness.  That is why I was saying I hope he gets at least a 10 foot jumper, because if he does and guys have to get out on him a bit that could help his offensive game a lot because he has a quick step for a 6’9” guy.  

[JoeWolf1]

 Yeah, his potential lies in his athleticism and although I don’t know for sure I would bet his wingspan is arount 7′.  I don’t think he’ll ever be as skilled as either twin, but I think he’ll be a better rebounder and shot blocker.  Surprisingly the best part of his game as far as more advanced offense is his first step and ball handling.  The guy has about a drop step and nothing else on the low block, but he can beat guys to the hole due to his quickness.  That is why I was saying I hope he gets at least a 10 foot jumper, because if he does and guys have to get out on him a bit that could help his offensive game a lot because he has a quick step for a 6’9” guy.  

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Thomas Robinson should’ve came out this year..Being the go to guy next season and with extended minutes his weaknesses will be exposed and that might drop his stock might drop…With so many talented players that might be in the draft next year.that will drop him in the draft…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Thomas Robinson should’ve came out this year..Being the go to guy next season and with extended minutes his weaknesses will be exposed and that might drop his stock might drop…With so many talented players that might be in the draft next year.that will drop him in the draft…

[cward23Participant]

I didn’t get a chance to watch Kansas much but from what i have read scouts think he has more potential thyan the Morris twins. I’ll have to watch and see

[cward23Participant]

I didn’t get a chance to watch Kansas much but from what i have read scouts think he has more potential thyan the Morris twins. I’ll have to watch and see

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