Better Player, Johnny Flynn or Ty Lawson
I think Flynn was a better college player and I think he will make a better NBA player than Lawson
But the better question would be Flynn or Maynor an in that case Maynor would win out.
flynn's the 6th best guard behind
please tell me why people on here who have seen rubio only in highlights or in some olympic games (in which he averaged 4pts 3ast and 2 turnovers) keep saying hes the best point guard in the draft...i mean seriously ya;\'ll really evaluate talent off of highlights...i mean i dont see anyone saying maybe ya'll are saying for sure lik eya'll have been scouting him or have seen him play a couple of full games
IF were talking PG's, i would go...
Lawson will have to make a living on the perimeter becuase he wont get nothing downlow. His shot is just okay anyways. I really like Patty Mills, he is very quick and can score, i think he is underrated. Teague has a lot of potential. Maynor is a stud and can run a team. Mike Conley Jr. was highly praised coming out of college and he is just a solid PG in the league. I think Lawson will be the same.
lawson showed neared the end what it takes to lead a team to a championship. He not only was driving hard to the basket hard every time in the regular season but was also increasing the number of outside shots taken and they were going in. Now for potential, you can argue flynn has more...but better as of now, lawson easily is better, i think, and besides flynn is way to flashy and takes too many shots with his boy devendorf
I would have to give the edge to flynn. Is it just me or has anyone ever seen lawson dribble for an extended period of time with his left hand?
Lawson size is really going to hurt him in the NBA. THats just what i think. Flynn at least has the athletic ability.
How could you say Flynn is better then Lawson when Ty made the all american 2 team and was acc player of the year.....Flynn made honorable mention all american and doesn't have a better assist to turnover ratio then lawson..........Both will be good pg's in the league but I gotta go with Lawson as the best choice
How is Ty Lawson's size going to hurt him in the NBA when Chris Paul's (6'0") and Jameer Nelson's (5'11") sizes don't hurt them?
no...Flynn is better than Jennings and Rubio...T-WILL and Harden are not true PG!! Flynn is the best PG in the draft
Cshparp, are you trying to infer Lawson doesn't have the athletic ability. There was no one faster end to end than Lawson this season. I was on the fence in this debate before the tourney, but I give Lawson the edge now. Look at his a:t ratio, his fg%, and 3fg% they are just off the charts. He takes good, smart shots. He is developing a mid-range shot and is now equally lethal in the halfcourt and running the break. I will give you that Flynn may have more upside, but IMHO Lawson is the better player now. Lawson combines an off the chart basketball IQ and elite NBA level quickness.
Lawson had a slightly better college run but I think Jonny Flynn is the better player. He will be a better pro, an all star level point guard. Lawson will be just like Raymond Felton, a point guard who is a starter on a bad team but would be a great backup on a good,championship level squad
By the way I REALLY wanted to see this matchup in the tourney but obviously that didn't happen. Lawson IMHO will be a much better pro than Felton. He takes care of the ball better, finishes better, and can shoot MUCH better.
i watched Rubio in Euroleague several times and he's worst than Flynn, Lawson, Jennings. You have right
It's easy for us as fans to say that lawson was better than flynn or vice versa, but let me ask everyone a question, if lawson & flynn switched teams do u think carolina still wins the national championship? Just look @ the personell of both teams, carolina, obviously had better talent around lawson. Put those weapons around a player of flynn's caliber & tell me the outcome wouldn't have been same. Now, put lawson in flynn's shoes & ask yourself does syracuse make the run that they made in the big east & in the ncaa tournament?
Skin thats a moot point we will never know. I can say with confidence that without Lawson UNC is just another average tourney team.
You switch them, I think both teams have the same results, thats how close I think they are as prospects.
Lawson is going to be a better pro because he's more of a pass first point guard. Flynn is more of a scorer play point guard, like a Jerrod Bayless. Lawson led a team with star power but he took that team to another level. Flynn had solid players as well, Harris and Devendorf were both McDonalds All-Americans. Flynn just didn't make them better once he got there. Lawson made Ellington a better shooter, made Hansbrough an All-American, and made defenses look slow. I give it to Flynn, he's tough as nails, strong and fast, but you are lying to yourself if you say Lawson isn't tougher, stronger and faster. He also has developed a much more consistent shot.
Flynn! Are you serious Jonny Flynn is..... more prudent and understands the game better. Ty Lawson is another Jordan Farmar. By the way Terrence Williams and James Harden aren't point guards. Top point guards in order:
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Brandon Jennings
3. Jonny Flynn
4. Eric Maynor
5. Patrick Mills
6. Jeff Teague
7. Ty Lawson
Csharp3410 has almost the same order. Woohoo!
Its Lawson, his impact on the game was tremendous. Even with Ellington and Tyler the offense just wasn't the same without Lawson's speed and playmaking ability. I think defensively Lawson has Flynn beat as well. Flynn is more dynamic though.
I don't know... I think the ACC is year in and year out the toughest college basketball conference in the nation so I gotta give the edge to Lawson.
How is it not Lawson? 21 ppg in the tourney, 34 assists to 7 turnovers. you guys are dumb. Flynn couldn't get his team out of the sweet 16. Flynn averages one more point per game just because he shoots at least 5 more shots per game.
i much prefer Flynn. hard to argue with Lawson's college success, but i think Flynn will make a better pro. something tells me Flynn will be a starter and Lawson will be a backup.
This topic is all over this forum and people continually put Rubio, Jenings and Teague in their top 5 point guard listing even with the college season over and all the b-ball that has been played. I wonder, did any Teague fans notice that he was moved off the point and Ish Smith was running the show for the majority of the past season. Yep he was moved to the 2 because he was dominating the ball and not getting the other players in offense, it was the main reason Wake fell off after beating Duke. Yeah he put up alot of points and he tourched Lawson for 30+ early in the season but I'm sure you all know that scoring alot of points does not make you a great POINT guard....riiiiiiight (maybe you dont). My only beef with Rubio and Jennings is I know the majority off the people that list them as top points HAVE BARELY SEEN THEM PLAY. How you gonna go by youtube highlights and last years McDonalds allstar game.....SHAKE YOURSELFS PEOPLE, THATS NOT ENOUGH DATA. While I'm at it where is the love for Steph Curry? Does anyone realize that he was running a squad from DAVIDSON....did any of you even know that school had a basketball team before that kid starting giving everybody the business. It was nothing short of amazing what he did with that team this year considering the talent he was surrounded with. I watched him play several times and from a skills standpoint he is above average in every point guard catagory AND he is the best shooter amongst the lot of them. Anyway Lawson was the better college point because of his body of work (cant argue with what he accomplished) and I think he will be a solid pro but Flynn has a little higher upside and might be the better pro. (sorry for the long rant, just had to get that off my chest)
I think if Curry is going to play PG, he should be ranked among the best, but I'm not sold that he will continue to be a PG at the next level. I think he'd be much more effective off the ball and working off screens. I agree with you whole heartedly about Rubio and Jennings. I'm not sold on Rubio from what I saw. He may end up being a solid back up but I'm not really sold on Rubio as a can't miss prospect. I don't see him materialzing in the pros. I think Jennings may end up being like a Sebastian Telfair. Telfair had talent out the gym but he never put it together. He's a solid player now but not nearly the player people thought he would be. As far as Teague, he has bust written all over him. He needs another year of school for me. He's going to get to the next level and become a D-League star and a NBA 15th man.
I actually like Evans and Holiday too. Evans has a knack for getting to the basket and has the size and strength to finish around the rim. He needs a good coach to get him a little more disciplined though. I've liked Holiday since he got to UCLA. I'm not sold on whether or not he will be a PG because Collison ran the point this year. He'll be a solid defender and he has a decent mid range game as well....
Realistically you guys wouldn't even be having this argument if Flynn wouldn't have beat UCONN in the Big East Tourney in the 6 OT's or 5 whatever it was. Everyone has jumped his bandwagon because of it and its kinda sickening. He scored 30 plus points in 2 games worth of minutes. Not to mention started like 3-14 from the field. Bsihopm.dot says it best. Lawson made the UNC team what it is. Flynn didn't do crap with the syracuse team. They had just as much potential as UNC and they did nothing. Lawson made this year's team what it was.
Lawson is decent at best I mean he played at UNC with about 6 or 7 NBA talented players so they all fit there roles perfectly. Flynn is better than Lawson a better scorer and personally think he has a higher IQ. Flynn is probably the seond or third best pg in the draft behind Jennings. Heres my Top PGs in this draft and Patty Mills should not make the list at all.
4.Collison(Should have been drafted higher)
5.Teague or Maynor
May I add that Rodruigues Beabrouis(howeva u spell his name) has been killin since the summere league....better than a lot of pgs right now also.
Lawson had better college carrer no questions about that , but it looks like FLynn will be better in first years, and in a long run i wouldn't be suprised if lawson would be in same level but i'm still think FLynn is better
BTW Jennings starts to prove that he is might better than them both, mostly i like his three-point shooting, he is really not than raw.
for rookie year
3.Curry(just because he will p'ay more than player after him)
I want to put Curry but his shot isn't falling but I know he will find his stroke and hit the top 5 his IQ is to high right now and he can rack up steals easily.
FLYNN has looked great in the preseason.He'll be starting from day 1....While rook..As Coach Karl calls him..Lawson Will be learning the ropes from Mr Big Shot...
how wa flynn better in college then ty lawson?..that comment made no sense...also its kinda hard to say whos better in preseason seeing as ty is playing behind billups and ty is starting..if they switched teams flynn would be the back up and ty would be starting...here something interesting though...ty averages 4 less points 1 les assist while playing 8 less minutes
First of all, anyone who said that Syracuse had the same talent level as UNC, lets check the lineups shall we...
UNC- Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green, Deon Thompson, Tyler Hansbrough
Syr- Jonny Flynn, Eric Devendorf, Paul Harris, Rick Jackson, Arinze Onuaku
Thats three first round picks to one. Green went in the second round, and Thompson projects as a late second rounder.
Harris and Devo went undrafted, Jackson and Onuaku optimistically can be drafted in the second round. The talent wasn't close.
For the guy who said the ACC was consistantly the toughest conference... did you watch the Big East last year? ACC is top heavy with underachievers (like Wake, GT), while last year you had Cuse, UConn, Pitt, Marquette, Louisville, Villanova, WVirginia, Notre Dame, with GTown underachieving. Last year the Big East was strongest by a wide margin.
you wanna change that point guard list yet lalaila...whats funny is how some people said lawson wont be able to score down low on this level but hes still speeding pat people and scoring lay ups
i have never been a big fan of flynn I like lawson he is in more control than flynn and he knows how to run a team i think right now he is the better player.
yeah the big east was tougher last year easily..and im a big acc fan
Lawson wasn't in my top for this year because he won't get many minutes, when J.R. will be back Billups won't play any SG, this is just because of minutes, if not he is in the same level with FLynn and Jennings and Curry imo.
OK he should be 5th over Beaubios , but not haier..looking for next 3-5 i agree that he could be in top3
he will still get some minutes as a back up pg..just like the first game...this kid is good enough to earn minutes..george karl even said "trust me this kid will get minutes..hes that good"..he needs to be third on that list behind jennings and flynn
then OK, 3rd on my list, competing with Curry
oh yeah..i forgot about curry..but thats because citrus didnt include curry on the list