Basketball and Race
I'm black and completely agree with the original post.
I think it's funny that so few star players in the NBA are white americans. But there lots of all star caliber "white players" from overseas. How come the Steve Nash's, Andrew Boguts, Dirk Nowitzki's and Pau Gasol's are all from outside the country? It's not because non-american white dudes have some gene that gives them an edge over their American counterparts. It's probably because of sociological reasons.
Nash and Nowitski can not guard. Gasol would be grouped with Latin America. Bogut is a nice player from Austrailian who played in Europe and he is very skilled. He is not very Explosive athletically but he is pretty athletic. Most of these player cept Bogut or smaller with their athleticism. I have yet to see a white version of Shaq. Tom Chambers comes close but he was not as big but he was tall and a super athletic.
Pau is European Sheltwon. He's from Spain.
I know that Mr 6000. Am I wrong to say that people from Spain would not be group as Latin Americans. I could be wrong. He is not white though.
Spain is in europe. And is predominantly white. Latin america is central and south america. Not sure what you are talking about on that one sheltwon.
I dont claim to know everything. I did not realize people from Spain were considered white and people from Mexico or South American countries aren't even though they speak the same language and look about the same cept some are darker and some are lighter.
You think down south is bad, people from Spain are the most racist on earth, there was a soccer game where they were throwing bananas at the African players. When they played in China for the Olympics they slanted their eyes back when the had their photo take to mock the Chinese. They take big time insult when you confuse them with Latinos. And the funny part is that probably 25 percent arent white(they think they are) they are Arab/Moorish mix.
Im just letting you know then. Spain is considered white. It is right next to france. People in south america or "latin america" are spanish speakers becasue of spanish explorers that spread there and most have a mixture of Spanish and other cultures such as asian or native american that gives them a darker complextion. But the country of Spain where Pau Gasol is form is very european and they are white.
it would be pretty hard to get a mid major scholarship without playing aau.....it is leaps and bounds more important than HS as far as recruiting is concerned....
and there is no rule on playing time in AAU....at least at the HS level....
I missed a good conversation. I wish there were more informative topics like this one. I learned a lot.
For the record, black people do not have an extra leg muscle.
if someone pays me I will give them my secret formula to telling if a white dude is good or not.....
if someone pays me I will give them my secret formula to telling if a white dude is good or not.....
I agree with knicksfan7 that culture is a big part. But you guys need to look at some stats. There are WAY more white people in this country than black. Black people are like 11 percent of the population yet make up 75 percent of the L. And even if black economic status is lower by percentage, there are still way more poor white people in this country than anyone else in terms of sheer numbers.
I'm mixed myself (like most "black" and a lot of "white" Americans who don't know it) and I can say for certain that besides being quicker and better at leaping, black people also usually have much longer arms and legs, which is just if not more important than athleticism in bball. If you doubt this, look at the measurements that come out every year, the guys with the worst wingspans are usually white (or Asian, I think Yao had a shorter wingspan than his height).
And why does it always have to be a black and white thing? How many great Asian high jumpers are there? Or Mexican sprinters? For that matter, why are the strongest men in the NFL often white (for example Chris Snee of the Giants had the bench press record this year) in a league thats more than 60 percent black?
Another example not involving black people,. Why does Lithuania, with only a few million people, have usually several players every year in the NBA, yet China, who is just as basketball crazy but with over a billion people, have only 2 players?
Despite what I've said, I don't think any group of people is a better "athlete" than another. There are socioeconmic reasons for everything. But I strongly believe that different groups evolved to suit their environment which translates into athletic success today.
I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of negative points for this post, but I think its silly to say that different groups of people can look different without also being naturally good at different sports.
Maybe the term "white men can't jump" should be changed to "nobody but black men can jump"?
Also that "extra muscle" thing is too retarded for words. I've heard rednecks say that &$#%#&@! before haha. What happens to a half black half white person? Do they get "half" the extra muscle?
Plus black people usually have really small calves and a long achilles tendon. My cousin has the smallest calves ever but he was a state high and long jump champ.
there are always going to be a few exceptions over a 30 year period which I call my lifetime and of course Larry Bird flies in the face of all logic....bottom line would be that if you want to lose your job as an NBA GM start spending high draft picks on American born white dudes....its a proven fact, they have the highest first round bust rate of anything you can seperate into a category....
There haven't been many white Shaqs, but there also haven't been many black Shaqs either. The closest person I can think of off the top of my head is Sabonis, who was very big and a great athlete in his younger days.
It is funny how white Americans are not too connected with European people until they need to make comparisons with black people. Sabonis was super talented. I wish he could have come over a few years earlier. Can people come up with American born white players for comparisons. We all know that Europeans are skilled and athletic.
You will not have an argument here on that.
Also Sabonis in his younger athletic days was not as big as Shaq. He was as big as Shaq when he was older and not as athletic. Europeans have a better basketball system than the US. They actually train their players to be great basketball players from young. Rules in the US prevent a lot of that.
I don't know if this helps but there is a study showing that African Americans have denser muscles mass. You hurts us in floating but it would appear helps us in sports relying on bursts of speed and quick jumping.
I would agree that African-Americans on average are more athletic, I'm just responding to Shaq comparison. And to say that "white Americans are not too connected with Europeans" is pretty damn racist in itself.
My opinion is that African-Americans tend to be more athletic than white people, but I don't think that the discrepancy is as great as the NBA and NFL numbers would tend to indicate.
As far as the "Nobody but black people can jump" statement, the last three gold medalists in the high jump have been white, and four of the last five have not been black. I understand that technique is a big part of high jump, but you also have to have ridiculous hops.
The biggest discrepancy that I can see is speed, specifically the 50m and 100m. Clearly, black people have dominated, but training has a great deal to do with success in this event as well (see the success of Jamaica). In the NFL, corner backs are almost exclusively black, with a few exceptions (I can only think of Jason Sehorn).
I believe you're right about that study. I think there was a legitimate medical study done relatively recently that showed that black men on average have less body fat than their white counterparts. Even in terms of having similiar to identical BMI's.
Having naturally less body fat would contribute to more lean mass and should in theory result in better speed.
Edit: I found the study. It's pretty interesting although I guess it's kinda old now 1988 and the sample size is relatively small. It's a bit of a read. Go to page 59 for the info about less body fat.
I could not post late last night because my posts were considered spam. First of all Sheltwon, Spain is in Europe, and is not Latin America by any means. People in Spain speak a different version of spanish than people from Latin America.
Also what ItsDwightHoward said about the Euros being "white" that is a good point, but culturally they are so much different than the whites in the league.
There people go trying to say that what I said is racist. Americans tend to make fun of anybodies cultural and ways but their own. You have Americans making fun of people in England and France. I know yall have heard this stuff. Right off the back, what issues would most black people have with England and France. Majority of the people making fun of other countries and their ways who have shaped most of Americans society are white.
At what point am I lying.
I unlike so of you who get offended because you happened to be white and this stuff is said about you actually get facts and stuff.
There is nothing I have said that can not be proven. White Americans are not that connected with White foreigners. That is true. The same can be said with black people and actually people from Africa.
Everything that offends you is not racists. I know you are trying to play it like when black people get offended and say someone is racist for saying something they may not like to hear.
I am black and a lot of times, the white people they say stuff are not racist but slavery in this country and black people's lack of rights made certain things insensitive but not necessarily racist.
There is a difference.
I said something that may have been insensitive to white people but in no way is racist.
I have nothing against white people in general but it is pretty obvious that white Americans are not that connected with foreign white people.
You don't get it. It's the part where you took the stereotype that "white americans aren't connected to Europeans" and then applied it to people posting here on the board in an accusatory fashion. That's the racist part.
I did not know that was a stereotype. Can people please list all the stereotype out there because I just took it from what I know and seen. Also how many countries have you been to.
I have been to different countries. Americans and other countries are not connected like that.
There is separation even though we have treaties with many countries in Europe and places where people are white in the sense of their skin color. Australians and Americans are not on the same page. I am just saying dude, if you go to other countries there is a big difference in how you are treated if they know you are American.
It is not my fault you have never been overseas and you don't know.
I get tired of people on here throwing the racist word out like it candy.
Some of yall most not know what racist really is.