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- Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:38am #16579
knicksfan7ParticipantI have decided to make a thread about this so other threads don’t lead to this. Personally, I think we make basketball much more race related than it is. When posters do go into race they are not looking at the big picture. First of all, the reason there are less white players in the NBA has nothing to do with lack of skill or abilities. Same goes for a large amount of black players in the NBA has nothing to do with being more skilled or have better abilities than other races and ethnicity’s. Basketball out of all the sports in the world (or at least the popular ones) is the cheapest sport to play. You don’t need cleats, you don’t need special equipment (bats, sticks, pads), nor do you need a specialized setting (ice rinks, baseball diamond). All you need to be able to play basketball is to be near a park that has hoops. While white people are the highest amount in #’s that are in poverty, african-americans are disproportionately the poorest. When it comes to playing sports basketball is the most accessible as well as cheapest. It is not very likely you will see black people playing golf because of the amount it costs to buy clubs as well as to play on a course as well as be registered to a country club. The same can apply for sports like tennis, lacrosse, baseball, and ice hockey because the amount of equipment necessary to play is expensive. Also, young african-americans can relate to basketball players more so than players in any other professional sport on the basis of race. For some, that can motivate them to continue playing the sport when a sport like baseball or hockey may not interest them due to lack of people of the same race. My point to all this is that ability has nothing to do with this issue it is about taking up a sport at a young age and the reasons for it.
If you think I am racist because of this post, well I can’t help you. I don’t care if you think I am a racist because I know I am not as well as the people who are closest to me. That’s all, ready to hear some good input.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:46am #326109
delfamParticipantI agree, great post.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:47am #326110
knicksfan7ParticipantDelfam, I hope you’re referring to my post.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:49am #326114
delfamParticipantI agree with athleticism, but NBA coaches are reluctant to use zone defenses which I think hurt white players. Because there not as athletic their skills have to be really good, but with the man to man defense it is hard for them to cover opposing players. Not sure why the zone isn’t used more, but if it was I think white players would be more productive.
Edit: i was referring to your post
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:52am #326116
knicksfan7ParticipantOkay. Though this has nothing to do with the NBA. Rather the sociological aspects of sports. Rather white athletes focus on other sports than basketball because a lot are raised that they have no chance and that it is a black man’s game.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:53am #326118
MagikKnickParticipantYour definetly right. Basketball is byfar the most accessible sport, all you need is a basketball and a hoop. And its also the most relateable sport as far as race goes, and I can be proof to that matter, I’m black and always found myself to gravitate to basketball above every other sport..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:55am #326122
MagikKnickParticipantWow, I mean I don’t agree that black people are natural better athletes…
I mean, yeah, it tends to be evident in popular sports, but I doubt there is a gene that only blacks can receive that makes them run faster and jump higher0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:55am #326123
knicksfan7ParticipantMagikknick, you don’t even need a basketball (you yourself that is). I am sure you can walk to your local park and get in a game where there is already a ball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:56am #326106
ilike.panochasParticipantGood point.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:56am #326121
StF616ParticipantAgree, the reason why there are less white folks playing basketball
is just, Fewer white kids try out for basketball
Race has NOTHING to do with how good you are
On my junior high team, out of 24 players in the A and B teams, there were 2 white players
The Only two that Tried Out0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:00am #326126
JNixonParticipantI feel that baseball is also easily accessible too. Basketball is more popular than baseball amongst Africa-Americans, but I feel that baseball could have as much of a following and more black people started playing. But interested has dwindled for whatever reason. Baseball pays more, usually requires less athleticism (but more hand-eye coordination) and usually has less wear and tear on the body, so I’m not sure why more black guys don’t play it.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:02am #326127
delfamParticipantBaseball is more skilled base than basketball, you can be good at basketball with minimal skill if you have great athleticism. Athleticism does nothing for you in baseball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:02am #326128
knicksfan7ParticipantEquipment for baseball is expensive. You need Cleats that can be as much as $100, a bat that is a couple hundred dollars, a glove that can be close to $100, a batting helmet is about $30, it adds up. Realistically for basketball you need a ball and a pair of sneakers that is no more than $200.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:09am #326131
JNixonParticipantYou don’t need cleats or helmets if you’re practicing or preparing to play organized baseball. Or even to play for a school. I played varsity baseball my 11th grade year, and the team supplied gloves and bats for all the players, and dues (which you’ll have to pay no matter what sport you play) bought cleats for the team. I have a bat, a glove, and about 5 baseballs in my garage right now, and all of that combined didn’t cost more than about $125.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:12am #326132
IndianaBasketballParticipantI agree with you, but it still doesn’t answer the question to why the NBA is mostly black.
Basketball is cheap to play… Then why aren’t more white people in the NBA? They have the same availability, opportunity and affordability that young black kids do.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:14am #326133
delfamParticipantI think they’re trying to say whites have more opportunities, like with golf and tennis, that some blacks do not because financial issues.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:19am #326136
IndianaBasketballParticipantI also think the price of playing basketball is more than people realize.
Training sessions, camps, exposure camps, etc aren’t cheap. It costs more than just a pair of basketball shoes and a basketball.
Look up how much it costs to train with St. Vincent’s Sports Performance, the Champions Academy or 100% Hoops. It’s not cheap at all.
And AAU isn’t cheap either. You have to pay entry fees, traveling fees, etc. I remember doing fundraisers, working camps, doing car washes, etc to earn that money.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:22am #326140
delfamParticipantI agree stuff like AAU is expensive, but you don’t need that to be good, you can go through public school which is free and make a name for your self. You don’t have to go to private schools or training camps to make a college team, it helps but it isn’t necessary.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:31am #326144
knicksfan7ParticipantTezo great points. I didn’t think about that. Though, the reason for less whites in the NBA I think has to do more so with the perception at a young age by people who have a big influence on kids that blacks are better at the game. If they don’t believe it then they can go watch an NBA game and see 7 or 8 of the 10 guys black, and the rest either foreign or white. The white kid then feels out of place.
Sports have become expensive, but basketball in cost will never surpass something like golf. Of course there are all of those training sessions and what not as well as AAU ball that cost money, a lot. Not trying to put your statements down, but the training sessions can be done on your own w/o having to train, just takes discipline.
Delfam AAU ball has turned into a must where college coaches look at AAU ball as more important than HS ball b/c the competition is greater.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:34am #326145
delfamParticipantI agree AAU is more important than high school but I personally hate AAU, from my experience all AAU is is running up and down the court and playing 1 on 1 basketball and that’s why I hate it. High School is more team oriented and I feel like you get a better feel of how they player plays in high school rather than AAU.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:35am #326147
IndianaBasketballParticipant@delfam
You don’t need to attend camps, training sessions, etc to be good at basketball, but you do if you want to be successful at a major school and make it to the NBA or overseas. At that point, just practicing by yourself in the gym isn’t enough. You need specific training. For example… I attended 100% Hoops for years. It focuses on your core strength, first step explosion, secondary/third moves, etc. You can see the difference between players who attend training and those who don’t.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:38am #326151
OrangeJuiceJonesParticipantNowadays, it’s almost impossible to get a D-1 scholarship without playing at one of the big-name camps or for an A.A.U team. There are just too many kids out there. Rodney Carney wasn’t ranked when he came out of high school because he didn’t play A.A.U. Even John Wall had to go to the “Reebok Breakout” camp to get his name on the map.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:39am #326152
knicksfan7ParticipantTezo, out of curiosity these training sessions. How much do they cost, is it a plan or hourly. I have done training in other sports and know a little bit about prices and what not.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:41am #326155
knicksfan7ParticipantOJJ, I wouldn’t say it is almost impossible because if you do well in High School there is a coach out there that would be willing to take a risk on a guy, mid to low major we’re talking. No High Major coach would even think to offer a kid a scholarship if they did not play AAU. Though, one guy who never played High school or AAU (I think) was Steve Francis, but he had to go the JUCO route.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:43am #326158
JoeWolf1I think a lot of the socioeconomic reasons knicksfan7 stated are valid in why there are more black athletes in basketball, but I really don’t think that as a mean african american people (not just atheltes) are more atheltic than white americans (not just athletes ). There is the arguement that where is a white equivalent to Lebron James, and well there is but he doesn’t play basketball. Brian Urlacher is 6’5” 258 lbs ran a 4.4 40 and repped 225 27 times and had a 38” vertical coming out of college. Yes, there are amazing athletes in the NFL that are black, but there are plenty of equally athletic white athletes. I don’t want this post to come off pro white, because that isn’t my intent, I just believe that the human race as a whole, from a genetic standpoint is so so so similar if you tested every white, black, asian, american indian, and every other race in the world the results would be extremely similar.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:47am #326164
knicksfan7ParticipantYes that is absolutely right, JoeWolf1. Your race has nothing to do with your skill in a sport because skill has to be acquired and learned. Sure some people are more athletic than others, but that only makes it easier to pick up the sport. I am sure there are certain things we pick up faster than others, but that has nothing to do with our race. I did not know that about Brian Urlacher. Very interesting I must say.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:48am #326163
IndianaBasketballParticipantThe prices are based on how many sessions you attend. They’re broken down into individual training sessions, packages, yearly memberships, etc.
I remember it used to cost like $500 for like 18 sessions with the Champions Academy. $225 for 8 sessions.
Here are a list of players that trained with the Champions Academy:
Greg Oden
Mike Conley Jr.
Carl Landry
Wayne Simien
Jarret Jack
Mario Chalmers
Danny Granger
Daequan Cook
Kareem Rush
Rodney Carney
Romain Sato
James Singleton
Kory Barnett
Luke Zeller
Eric Gordon
Mike Green
Gordon Hayward
Matt Howard
Miles PlumleeThat’s how I’ve gotten to see a lot of the players I talk about. At these training sessions.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:49am #326168
knicksfan7Participant$500 for 18 sessions. If these are hour long sessions that is an amazing deal. In New York training sessions for an hour can be anywhere from $60 to $100, maybe even more.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:50am #326169
OrangeJuiceJonesParticipantYeah, that’s what I meant, getting an offer from a high-major school. But the scenery is shifting more and more towards A.A.U. basketball for mid-major schools. Regular high school ball may be more team-oriented and organized, but coaches like to evaluate their talent at camps and A.A.U tournaments now.
You’re right, Steve Francis never played high school/A.A.U ball. Here’s a pretty good explanation of what happened during his high school/college years.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:53am #326175
knicksfan7ParticipantOJJ, congrats on post #1400. Yes, I saw that story, it was sad.
AAU is just to see talent, how your team does is irrelevant it is how you, the player, does individually. Personally, I think High School ball should still be looked at closely because you can get an idea on how the player plays in a system and with teammates. His attitude, and his competitive streak.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:53am #326172
IndianaBasketballParticipantIndividual training sessions are $150 per hour… And that’s off of a brochure I grabbed almost two years ago.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:00am #326182
delfamParticipantExactly, in AAU it doesn’t matter if you win or not, its about you individually. That’s why I hate it personally. You want to see how a person gets his teammates involved and how he makes them better. How is he in the clutch when his team needs a shot. In AAU you can’t evaluate that stuff, and that’s why I think some really good players go unnoticed by colleges.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:06am #326187
knicksfan7ParticipantI must say I am proud to have started this thread and get such wonderful input.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:13am #326189
OrangeJuiceJonesParticipantThere will always be players that go unnoticed and under-evaluated. Even guys at A.A.U events will go un-scouted, simply because they won’t get any playing time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:15am #326196
knicksfan7ParticipantOJJ, I do not know much about AAU, so you or someone else can help answer this for me. I thought everyone on an AAU team must get equal playing time??
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:26am #326206
OrangeJuiceJonesParticipantNo, there are no rules for playing time as far as I’m aware. I know several people that have played for A.A.U teams, and the best players get the most minutes. It could be different for other A.A.U teams, but that’s what they told me.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:29am #326209
delfamParticipantI think it might be different for every team because when I played A.A.U. everyone received equal playing time, don’t know if that was the coaches decision or not but we all got time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:12pm #326229
ajthejuicemanParticipantthe answer is blacks see it as a way of living a job,success,feed your family,whites see it as just a game and they know more opportunities are out there for them
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:24pm #326232
armanto white guys sport isnt everything… we black guys(most of us) have 2 option sport or gangbanging
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 1:57pm #326284
leppyParticipantyou dont read in history books about how bad we really treated slaves. the U.S. doesnt like to paint a bad picture of themselves. Its def easier for a kid to get a pick up game of basketball going than baseball or other sports and it is cheaper. but african-americans are superior athletes because they were bred that way. just like horses. white slave owners would take the biggest slave they had and breed it with every woman they had to make the strongest slave possible. then they would take the same slave and have him sleep with his own children if he was the strongest slave still. they didnt know about inbreeding back then and prolly didnt care either. you take your strongest slave and breed him with all the girls if you didnt impregnate them yourselves. anybody who thinks slave owners didnt do this is ignorant. its common sense to want to make the best slave you can. genes are a huge factor for blakcs. football and basketball athleticism is highly valued and its why you see so many black players playing them. you dont see africans dominating sports like african americans do. its not really about blacks its about african-americans. no africans come out lebron’s size. inbreeding has made them superior athletes
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 2:04pm #326288
llperezthis is a touchy subject. I think its a combination of both athleticism as well as culture where black people tend to take the game more seriously. But i think if you look around the world where even european countries that are white are playing ball all their lives, im not seeing quite the level of athleticism. WHere are the lebron james and dwight howards and shawn kemp type white athletes all around the world. Also, more then 30 black men have been recorded in the world with a 100m time of less then 10 seconds. No white man has ever been recorded under 10 seconds. So i think it goes both ways.
But some serious talk, people shouldnt get too caught up in why. Many white players are doing well in the nba and it shouldnt bother anyone if the game is primarily black or why that is.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 2:22pm #326293
delfamParticipantgreat post leppy, never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 2:30pm #326296
leppyParticipantand there maybe a few white players who dont think they have a chance and dont put in all the hard work they need to or see a better opportunity in another sport. but there are plenty of division 1 athletes who are white who worked plenty hard enough and just got a scholarship and got to play overseas. i think its bullshit to say black kids work harder than white kids. there are way more and higher percentage of black kids who didnt pick up a ball til highschool and made a d 1 college team. to think white kids who go far in basketball havent worked as hard as black kids is rediculous. kids who are slower with less jumping ability and short arms have to work more not less
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 2:36pm #326298
sheltwon3ParticipantJust curious what is the ratio of white people to black people in America. I will probably look it up but I was wondering if any of yall knew?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 2:50pm #326305
sheltwon3ParticipantI think there are as many white kids as black kids that want to make the NBA but there is a closer playing field with Basketball because of all the things you have stated before.
It would be politically incorrect to say one race is better than the other at something but just from living it does seem that way since none of us are scientist who have done studies, everyone of us can say whatever based on theories or our own emotional states. Black people are doing more than just play basketball just like white people are not just playing golf, running companies, being doctors. I love basketball but because of my height and what not, it was not a strong option. I am pretty sure the world is not full of black people that are meant to play basketball. Some things are cultural.
White people are more vast in numbers than black people in the states.
If 80 percent of black people wanted to do something.
80 percent of black people would not even be like 20 percent of white people wanted to do something.
What numbers are you getting that white people dont like basketball. White people make up most of the basketball fans. If you like basketball, chances are if you could play you would. You can get millions in a couple of years and change your career. That is just like rappers who use it to get into movies which if you are a big name you can make more money easier.
Michael Doleac who wanted to be doctor bu was tall and good at basketball played ball first and then when he retired after like 8 or 10 years I think he became a doctor or is working on that. I have not kept up with his progress but I know that was what he mindset was towards.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 2:53pm #326310
bobbybParticipantThere are at least 3 or 4 whites for every black. The idea that certain people cant be successfulin Baseball because of money is crap. The most dominant players in the league are Domincans most of which come from areas where they cant afford shoes. Money means nothing. People who think they are dissadvantaged are just looking for an excuse. If you can speak , read, have electricy and a computer, you are far ahead of immigrants who come to this country with nothing.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 3:01pm #326316
bobbybParticipantI recently saw an interview with Doctor J, about maybe more should be done to help black become better golfers to find the next tiger woods. He disagreed, he said that if there were another great golfer that they would overcome the adversity to become the greatest, Just like the president. Wether you like Obama or not he overcame adversity with tough upbringing without his parents. If he didnt have that tough childhood, he would not be president right now.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 3:26pm #326331
sheltwon3ParticipantI think that as other races get money you will see if it is about money or just there are some things some races may have that advantage on. It is a touchy subject because no race wants to admit they may not be good at something that another race is but life shows us that they may be true. Is reality a lie? Black people have the same chance to be as good at baseball that Domicians have and yet that is not the case right. Some of it is cultural because you have had some good black players that were good at more than one sport choose basketball. Charlie Ward could have went the the NFL and Stephon Curry said he thought about playing in the MLB but made the choice to follow his dad and play ball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 3:42pm #326337
SpencerIsHawesome2ParticipantYou’re all lying to yourselves if you think black people are not more naturally athletic than white people (generally.. obviously there are some naturally gifted white athletes, but they are the exception not the rule)
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 4:00pm #326349
NathanStaceyParticipantEverybody knows that black people have an extra muscle in their leg. That’s why they’re able to jump so high
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 5:29pm #326399
leppyParticipanti wouldnt call slave inbreeding natural. look at the africans you wouldnt say that about them
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 6:07pm #326420
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantI’m black and completely agree with the original post.
I think it’s funny that so few star players in the NBA are white americans. But there lots of all star caliber “white players” from overseas. How come the Steve Nash’s, Andrew Boguts, Dirk Nowitzki’s and Pau Gasol’s are all from outside the country? It’s not because non-american white dudes have some gene that gives them an edge over their American counterparts. It’s probably because of sociological reasons.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 6:13pm #326424
sheltwon3ParticipantNash and Nowitski can not guard. Gasol would be grouped with Latin America. Bogut is a nice player from Austrailian who played in Europe and he is very skilled. He is not very Explosive athletically but he is pretty athletic. Most of these player cept Bogut or smaller with their athleticism. I have yet to see a white version of Shaq. Tom Chambers comes close but he was not as big but he was tall and a super athletic.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 6:34pm #326443
JNixonParticipantPau is European Sheltwon. He’s from Spain.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 7:27pm #326464
sheltwon3ParticipantI know that Mr 6000. Am I wrong to say that people from Spain would not be group as Latin Americans. I could be wrong. He is not white though.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 7:30pm #326465
llperezSpain is in europe. And is predominantly white. Latin america is central and south america. Not sure what you are talking about on that one sheltwon.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 7:33pm #326466
sheltwon3ParticipantI dont claim to know everything. I did not realize people from Spain were considered white and people from Mexico or South American countries aren’t even though they speak the same language and look about the same cept some are darker and some are lighter.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 8:46pm #326486
bobbybParticipantYou think down south is bad, people from Spain are the most racist on earth, there was a soccer game where they were throwing bananas at the African players. When they played in China for the Olympics they slanted their eyes back when the had their photo take to mock the Chinese. They take big time insult when you confuse them with Latinos. And the funny part is that probably 25 percent arent white(they think they are) they are Arab/Moorish mix.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 7:40pm #326468
llperezIm just letting you know then. Spain is considered white. It is right next to france. People in south america or “latin america” are spanish speakers becasue of spanish explorers that spread there and most have a mixture of Spanish and other cultures such as asian or native american that gives them a darker complextion. But the country of Spain where Pau Gasol is form is very european and they are white.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 8:05pm #326475
midwestbbscoutParticipantit would be pretty hard to get a mid major scholarship without playing aau…..it is leaps and bounds more important than HS as far as recruiting is concerned….
and there is no rule on playing time in AAU….at least at the HS level….
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 8:21pm #326481
butidonthavemoneyI missed a good conversation. I wish there were more informative topics like this one. I learned a lot.
For the record, black people do not have an extra leg muscle.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 8:41pm #326483
midwestbbscoutParticipantif someone pays me I will give them my secret formula to telling if a white dude is good or not…..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 8:43pm #326484
midwestbbscoutParticipantif someone pays me I will give them my secret formula to telling if a white dude is good or not…..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:27pm #326498
HaakaanParticipantI agree with knicksfan7 that culture is a big part. But you guys need to look at some stats. There are WAY more white people in this country than black. Black people are like 11 percent of the population yet make up 75 percent of the L. And even if black economic status is lower by percentage, there are still way more poor white people in this country than anyone else in terms of sheer numbers.
I’m mixed myself (like most “black” and a lot of “white” Americans who don’t know it) and I can say for certain that besides being quicker and better at leaping, black people also usually have much longer arms and legs, which is just if not more important than athleticism in bball. If you doubt this, look at the measurements that come out every year, the guys with the worst wingspans are usually white (or Asian, I think Yao had a shorter wingspan than his height).
And why does it always have to be a black and white thing? How many great Asian high jumpers are there? Or Mexican sprinters? For that matter, why are the strongest men in the NFL often white (for example Chris Snee of the Giants had the bench press record this year) in a league thats more than 60 percent black?
Another example not involving black people,. Why does Lithuania, with only a few million people, have usually several players every year in the NBA, yet China, who is just as basketball crazy but with over a billion people, have only 2 players?
Despite what I’ve said, I don’t think any group of people is a better “athlete” than another. There are socioeconmic reasons for everything. But I strongly believe that different groups evolved to suit their environment which translates into athletic success today.
I’m sure I’m going to get a lot of negative points for this post, but I think its silly to say that different groups of people can look different without also being naturally good at different sports.
Maybe the term “white men can’t jump” should be changed to “nobody but black men can jump”?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 9:33pm #326499
HaakaanParticipantAlso that “extra muscle” thing is too retarded for words. I’ve heard rednecks say that shit before haha. What happens to a half black half white person? Do they get “half” the extra muscle?
Plus black people usually have really small calves and a long achilles tendon. My cousin has the smallest calves ever but he was a state high and long jump champ.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:31pm #326503
midwestbbscoutParticipantthere are always going to be a few exceptions over a 30 year period which I call my lifetime and of course Larry Bird flies in the face of all logic….bottom line would be that if you want to lose your job as an NBA GM start spending high draft picks on American born white dudes….its a proven fact, they have the highest first round bust rate of anything you can seperate into a category….
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 4:41am #326558
PureshooterParticipantThere haven’t been many white Shaqs, but there also haven’t been many black Shaqs either. The closest person I can think of off the top of my head is Sabonis, who was very big and a great athlete in his younger days.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 4:56am #326564
sheltwon3ParticipantIt is funny how white Americans are not too connected with European people until they need to make comparisons with black people. Sabonis was super talented. I wish he could have come over a few years earlier. Can people come up with American born white players for comparisons. We all know that Europeans are skilled and athletic.
You will not have an argument here on that.
Also Sabonis in his younger athletic days was not as big as Shaq. He was as big as Shaq when he was older and not as athletic. Europeans have a better basketball system than the US. They actually train their players to be great basketball players from young. Rules in the US prevent a lot of that.I don’t know if this helps but there is a study showing that African Americans have denser muscles mass. You hurts us in floating but it would appear helps us in sports relying on bursts of speed and quick jumping.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 5:18am #326576
PureshooterParticipantI would agree that African-Americans on average are more athletic, I’m just responding to Shaq comparison. And to say that “white Americans are not too connected with Europeans” is pretty damn racist in itself.
My opinion is that African-Americans tend to be more athletic than white people, but I don’t think that the discrepancy is as great as the NBA and NFL numbers would tend to indicate.
As far as the “Nobody but black people can jump” statement, the last three gold medalists in the high jump have been white, and four of the last five have not been black. I understand that technique is a big part of high jump, but you also have to have ridiculous hops.
The biggest discrepancy that I can see is speed, specifically the 50m and 100m. Clearly, black people have dominated, but training has a great deal to do with success in this event as well (see the success of Jamaica). In the NFL, corner backs are almost exclusively black, with a few exceptions (I can only think of Jason Sehorn).
0- Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 6:33am #326611
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantI believe you’re right about that study. I think there was a legitimate medical study done relatively recently that showed that black men on average have less body fat than their white counterparts. Even in terms of having similiar to identical BMI’s.
Having naturally less body fat would contribute to more lean mass and should in theory result in better speed.
Edit: I found the study. It’s pretty interesting although I guess it’s kinda old now 1988 and the sample size is relatively small. It’s a bit of a read. Go to page 59 for the info about less body fat.
http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Hunter%20David%20William.pdf?osu1261067423
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 6:16am #326603
knicksfan7ParticipantI could not post late last night because my posts were considered spam. First of all Sheltwon, Spain is in Europe, and is not Latin America by any means. People in Spain speak a different version of spanish than people from Latin America.
Also what ItsDwightHoward said about the Euros being “white” that is a good point, but culturally they are so much different than the whites in the league.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 6:56am #326627
sheltwon3ParticipantThere people go trying to say that what I said is racist. Americans tend to make fun of anybodies cultural and ways but their own. You have Americans making fun of people in England and France. I know yall have heard this stuff. Right off the back, what issues would most black people have with England and France. Majority of the people making fun of other countries and their ways who have shaped most of Americans society are white.
At what point am I lying.
I unlike so of you who get offended because you happened to be white and this stuff is said about you actually get facts and stuff.
There is nothing I have said that can not be proven. White Americans are not that connected with White foreigners. That is true. The same can be said with black people and actually people from Africa.
Everything that offends you is not racists. I know you are trying to play it like when black people get offended and say someone is racist for saying something they may not like to hear.
I am black and a lot of times, the white people they say stuff are not racist but slavery in this country and black people’s lack of rights made certain things insensitive but not necessarily racist.
There is a difference.
I said something that may have been insensitive to white people but in no way is racist.
I have nothing against white people in general but it is pretty obvious that white Americans are not that connected with foreign white people.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 7:26am #326648
PureshooterParticipantYou don’t get it. It’s the part where you took the stereotype that “white americans aren’t connected to Europeans” and then applied it to people posting here on the board in an accusatory fashion. That’s the racist part.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/04/2010 - 9:54am #326722
sheltwon3ParticipantI did not know that was a stereotype. Can people please list all the stereotype out there because I just took it from what I know and seen. Also how many countries have you been to.
I have been to different countries. Americans and other countries are not connected like that.
There is separation even though we have treaties with many countries in Europe and places where people are white in the sense of their skin color. Australians and Americans are not on the same page. I am just saying dude, if you go to other countries there is a big difference in how you are treated if they know you are American.
It is not my fault you have never been overseas and you don’t know.
I get tired of people on here throwing the racist word out like it candy.
Some of yall most not know what racist really is.
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