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Barea and Kahn

So how bad is the JJ Barea signing for four years and $19 million looking now? I thought it was a silly signing in the first place. Now it is clear that Rubio can play and will continue to play 35+ minutes a night. Luke Ridnour is at least as good as Barea and probably better. But he is definitely another small point guard. What exactly was the point of putting Barea on the team when you already had Rubio and Ridnour? Are the Wolves really going to play Barea at the same time as Rubio? Are you going to take the ball out of Rubio's hands and have him spotting up for jumpers off of Barea drives?

It is crazy that these GMs continue to have jobs when they make signings that are basically immediately financial disasters.

By the way, Kwame Brown is out for the season now after hurting himself delivering a hard foul. $7 million got Golden State 9 games of 6 points and 6 rebounds a game. Way to go Larry Riley!


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I hope they can package

I hope they can package Williams/Beasley+Barea for a C

Anyway, look at the Wolves right now, sure the signing is confusing, but don't be too quick to judge Kahn

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Kwame was actually a great signing considering they lost out on Nene&/or Deandre Jordan. Brown is a premier post defender who provides a defensive presence GSW hasn't had in decades.when u couple him with a scoring PF in David Lee the front court is formidable. Now they are trash up front. Ekpe udoh(pf) is being exposed now bcuz he is giving up loads of strength and size trying to guard bigger centers.

they only signed brown for one year so it doesn't hurt them in the slightest. Injuries are unpredictable and unfortunate. It's not like he was injury prone before, so u can't take a shot at management for that.

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Barea

RuBio has been playing so well I totally forgot about barea. Don't forget what he accomplished in the post season last year he still has great trade value. I'll trade him and one of the wings either Johnson, or beasley (althought Iam a huge fan of his) for a great wing guard

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Houston would give up Kevin Martin for Barea and Johnson Imo

Memphis would give up Mayo for Barea and Johnson, They may also ask for Randolph which should not matter...The Wolves could also trade Ridnour instead of Barea, a value back up point should get them something, I'd love a Ridnour for Mbah Moute trade sending Luke back to Milwaukee... The Wolves need to trade a few players for the Shooter and the Stopper at SG and SF... Barea and Johnson are very good ways to get the SG, Randolph should get you a defender at SF/PF...

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Great trade Idea

How many trade assests do the T Wovles have? I really like the Idea of trading Barea and Johnson for Mayo what a great fit.

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Anyone trying to say the

Anyone trying to say the TWolves current success is because of Kahn is a joke. When you get a bunch of top 5 picks, it's not really you being a genius. The free agent signings, the trades and overall personality clearly haven't helped the TWolves win ball games. Thank the lottery, not Kahn.

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Yea, I've been reading some

Yea, I've been reading some ESPN message boards where T-Wolves fans are acting like Kahn was a genius and knew what he was doing this whole time lmao.

That guy is an idiot...

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Wolves are in last place in the division

I would keep Beasley over Williams. Beasley is a better player.

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Beasley is more talented than

Beasley is more talented than Williams... He's probably more talented than half of the players in the league.

But will he be a professional? Will he stay out of trouble? Will his mind be in the right place? Will he keep working hard?

These are all questionable things about Beasley that I don't think you have with Williams.

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If these guys actually have

If these guys actually have the trade value you think they do, let's see them actually be traded and bring back a legit starter. Barea is kind of a sparkplug, but the games that we all remember from the playoffs and which where so impressive (and fun to watch!) were against Derek Fisher/Steve Blake and Mike Bibby/Mario Chalmers. Only one of those four could be considered a legit NBA-quality player at this stage of their careers.

Yes, not fair to blame the manager on Kwame's injury. But to say that Kwame was a premier post defender is going too far. I will give you that he could play post defense, but opposing centers did fine against him last year and the Bobcats played better when Kwame was off the court than when on. Same thing for the Warriors this year. The warriors are out $7 million with nothing to show for it and they weren't getting that much before Kwame was hurt. They could have used that money and given a 10-day contract to every single D-league player. You think one of them wouldn't have turned out to be better than Kwame Brown? Go overseas, $7 million will bring back a good European player. Heck, save the money and combine it for one of the China league guys like Kevin Martin. Seriously, that was a waste of money. Bad signing the second the ink dried on the contract. Made even worse by injury.

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Kahn is always obtaining

Kahn is always obtaining "Assets"...remember that.

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"Anyone trying to say the

"Anyone trying to say the TWolves current success is because of Kahn is a joke. When you get a bunch of top 5 picks, it's not really you being a genius. The free agent signings, the trades and overall personality clearly haven't helped the TWolves win ball games. Thank the lottery, not Kahn."

I get what your saying, but as of right now the lottery isnt helping us as much as you would think. We have 3 lottery picks on the team that Kahn drafted. Rubio is fantastic, Wes Johnson sucks, and Derrick Williams will be good, but right now he is mostly a bench player and really hasnt been the cause of us winning games this year.

I would say the biggest change is the hiring of Adleman. He has this team working hard, believing they can win, and actually playing defense!

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Martin?

Wait wait wait.. would Houston really do that? Kevin Martin for Barea and Johnson?.. I know Barea played well in the postseason, and johnson still has some upside possibly but that definitely sounds like houston gets ripped off... As a wolves fan I would be so excited about Martin playing alongside Rubio, Beasley and Love.. Not to mention the fact that his playing style would fit in perfectly..

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I love how people rip on

I love how people rip on David Kahn but give countless praise to GMs like Danny Ainge, Pat Riley, and Whoever is running the Thunder. Its a complete load of bs and its not even funny. People are just plain foolish about this, open your mind and stop being so narrow freaking minded.

Pat Riley's Christmas came in June when Lebron decided to go to Miami, Danny Ainge was able to pull off a trade for 2 superstars that wanted to play in Boston, and the Thunder lucked into the best scorer in the NBA. None of these GMs are pulling off these great moves involving savy or knowledge.

How many big time Free agents want to come to Minnesota? How many times have the Timberwolves moved up from their projected spot in the lottery? When Kahn took the job, who was on the team to build around?

Has he made a few blunders? Sure, the Jonny Flynn pick was one, Trading Ty Lawson was another, but lets not sit here and pretend that Johnny Flynn wasnt a prospect alot of teams wanted and I dont think anybody wouldve raised an eyebrow if he would have gone to Sacramento at 4. Trading Ty Lawson was another mistake, but why not blame the other 15 Gms who passed on Lawson in the first place, if people had known he would turn out the way he did, he wouldve gone in the top 10.

People can say all they want about the high lottery picks every year, but when there are 2 franchise pillar caliber players, and you have the 3rd pick, what can you do.

Instead of ripping on a guy because ESPN does, maybe people should learn to think for themselves and look a little deeper into a situation. Name a GM who could do better in Minnesota? Not Boston, Not LA, Minnesota.

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Minnesota was looking to

Minnesota was looking to trade Luke Ridnour. Barea was just insurance because he can be a good back up for Rubio. But as seeing how the TWolves changed their line up its pretty unforeseable as to what they will do. I expect something bizarre

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Well lets see what value they

Well lets see what value they can get for Ridnour. I know the plan has been to trade him if Rubio panned out. Now that has happenned, it is just a matter of making the trade. I wonder if there is anyway the Knicks could get him. Ridnour would be a huge upgrade at the point guard position for the Knicks. But it seems the Knicks want to see what B. Davis still has in the tank. Davis better make it back before the trade deadline. It would be rough to only find out after the trade deadline that he actually can't play anymore.

I doubt they can trade Barea and Johnson for a starter, much less a great scorer like Kevin Martin. I think Barea is just going to be Rubio's spanish speaking buddy for the next three years. Actually, that might help in the locker room and for Rubio's adjustment to the league. If it does, the signing is worth it even if you don't get any actually good basketball play out of Barea.

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I think Barea or Ridnour can be moved for a defender at Sf

The Wolves need a Stopper on the perimeter...Mbah Moute or Ariza would be perfect fits IMO...Granger and Iguadola are bigger names but I cant either Team trading them away without Beasley or Williams involved...

And as For the Starting SG, Wesley Johnson and Anthony Randolph(Or Tolliver) for a guy like OJ Mayo sounds like more than enough... The Grizzlies almost traded Mayo to the Pacers for Rush and McRoberts, Johnson and Randolph would be a better return IMHO, Johnson is still young and can defend plus hit a 3 pointer or two, and he would likely stick around as Mayo was gone with the wind in Free Agency, Anthony Randolph would provide them more depth at Sf/Pf/C...He still has some potential and as much as it's a running joke that would be enough to get Memphis interested...If the Griizzlies aren't moved by the offer, include a few 2nd rounders or a future 1st...They were not getting anything close to that back from Indiana...

And as far as the Kevin Martin comments, I don't think The Rockets value Martin that much, Johnson/Randolph and Pekovic would be more than enough for Morey to pull the trigger, he'd be saving money plus adding 3 young players for McHale to develop

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Kahn

Kahn will win excecutive the year if the Wolves make the playoffs. JJ Barea is injured... when he's healthy he'll be a large reason the Wolves will continue to have comeback wins in the 4th quarter.

"Man... Pat Reilly must be an idiot to re-sign Dwayne Wade. He's been hurt lately". Not much different than was stated above about Kahn/Barea.

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Last year's Mavs had Kidd,

Last year's Mavs had Kidd, Terry, and Barea. Why can't the T Wolves continue to carry Rubio, Ridnour, and Barea?

The T Wolves could do worse than to pattern their success after the Mavs with Rubio bearing some slight resemblance to Kidd (as far as their games go), with Kevin Love being a 20-10 guy who can shoot from anywhere (Dirk with better rebounding skills and a killer outlet pass?), JJ Barea (check), a solid shooting guard (Wes Johnson/Wayne Ellington vs. DeShawn Stevenson), some tough, defensive minded role player centers (Darko, Pekovic), and some nice forwards in Derrick Williams, Michale Beasley, and Anthony Randolph (compared to Shawn Marion, Brian Cardinal, and pre-injury Caron Butler).

A young team based around an all-star (and a potential superstar) up front with a transcendent talent in the backcourt with a ton of depth might be the best way to build a contender going forward.

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The lottery isn't helping you

The lottery isn't helping you as much as you think? Rubio was the #6 pick and Love was the #5 pick. That's a HUGE part of your team. The Rick Adelman signing was just because of timing. The Twolves were the only team to fire their coach around that time and Adelman was available. The Twolves have been in the lottery since 2005. Players they drafted:

2005: 14th McCants

2006: 7th Randy Foye

2007. 7th Corey Brewer

2008: #3 Mayo/Love

2009: 5th Rubio 6th Flynn, 18th Ty Lawson 28th Ellington

2010: 4th Wes Johnson 16th Babbit 23rd Booker 2011: #2 Derrick Williams 20th Donatas

When your team has 13 first round picks in the last 6 years (with 7 of them being top 10 picks) you better be contending by now.

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I don't understand why I'm

I don't understand why I'm being negged. Can someone explain to me what Kahn has done that any other GM couldn't do?

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@Memphis Can Ricky Rubio

@Memphis

Can Ricky Rubio defend SG's like Jason Kidd can, and Kidd was better off defending them because he doesn't have the quickness he used to, if Rubio can't defend the Kobe's, Wade's like Kidd managed, there's no point in doing it. Luke Ridnour is nowhere near Jason Terry's level, and even the JET can defend SG's with some decency,Ridnour hasn't shown this ability.

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I guess the TWolves were

I guess the TWolves were supposed to be bad for 20 years and Kahn is their savior.... SMH, people on this board flip flop so much. First Kahn is an idiot, now his team wins a few games and he's genius. Next time the TWolves go through some hard times we're gonna see the Fire Kahn #$%# again by the same fools who said Westbrook and John Wall suck.

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@F_DA_PO Where is anybody

@F_DA_PO

Where is anybody saying Kahn is their saviour?

He has been a total idiot, but lately he has made some smart moves, you gotta give him credit for that at least?

The Barea signing was very good.

Hiring Adelman was at least competent compared to potential signing Nelson.

Yeah he's an idiot, and we'll have to see how he manages to Wes Johnson, Williams and Beasley situation, but give him credit for his recent moves.

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If Rubio hadn't panned out no

If Rubio hadn't panned out no one would say anything about Kahn being good.

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What's so good about the

What's so good about the Barea signing? Sure Barea is a good player, but the OP already covered it. The $19 million used to sign him could've been used better like extending Rubio when the time comes, giving Love the max deal, finding a real center and SG. They already have Rubio and Ridnour. I'll give him credit for the Adelman signing.

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Who the hell said Kahn was a

Who the hell said Kahn was a genius? You said that the only reason that the twolves have gotten better is the lottery. You said NOT 1 trade, FA signing, or personal change has helped. I just politely let you know that you are an ignorant idiot.

Lets look at the team:

PG: Rubio- This was a lottery pick, but does kahn get no credit for drafting him and then deciding to keep him? We also aquired this pick through a trade! O What do you know, I guess at least 1 trade did help.

SG: Ridnour- This was a free agent signing. No lottery here

SF: Wes Johnson- This was a lottery pick, but he is been garbage this year. He in no way has been the reason we have won 1 game

PF: Kevin Love: Was a lottery pick by.... the Grizzlies. We traded OJ Mayo for him. This trade was before Kahn's time though

C: Darko- Kahn traded for him. Probablly should not be a starter, but he is a good defensive presence and really helped us beat the clippers

Bench:

JJ Barea- Kahn signed him to, really hasnt played much due to injury. To early to tell if this is a good move

Beasley- Kahn Traded for him. Hmmm looks like another trade that might have helped us a little bit

Derrick Williams- lottery pick, but he was the player everyone would have picked at 2. Has shown flashes, but mostly comes off the bench and hasnt really been the reason we have won a game yet

Nikola Pekovic- Was a 2nd round pick and has contributed nicely this year

Wayne Ellington- Looks like a solid role player, but was 28th pick. Not a lottery selection

Martell Webster- Kahn Traded for him. Has been injured a lot, but can contribute when healthy

Anthony Randolph: Another Kahn Trade

Anthony Tolliver: FA signing, Kind of hustle and role player every team needs

Brad Miller: trade

AND the big reason this team is gelling and playing well......

Kahn hiring Adelman.

Of those players only 3 have been lottery picks that THE WOLVES have drafted and only Rubio has been a consistant reason we have won.

No one is saying Kahn is a genius, but I am telling you that the lottery is not helping us this year as much as you would think. We have 3 lottery picks on the team that Kahn drafted. Rubio is fantastic, Wes Johnson sucks, and Derrick Williams will be good, but right now he is mostly a bench player and really hasnt been the cause of us winning games this year.

I would say the biggest change is the hiring of Adleman. He has this team working hard, believing they can win, and actually playing defense!

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So you are telling me Brad

So you are telling me Brad Miller, Anthony Tolliver, Martell Webster, Darko Milicic and Luke Ridnour are some sort of key signings? Haha you gotta be kidding me.

I never denied that Rick Adelman is a good coach. Yeah, I guess Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio aren't the real key to your success. I guess I'm just an ignorant idiot.

I never said these scrubs don't help a little bit. I just don't see why you would even bring up aquisations like that. Do you really think any GM couldn't sign those guys to the deals Kahn did? When you have Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio on your team with A LOT of lottery picks, I don't see how a team wouldn't be .500. Maybe your logic is skewed after witnessing too many 60+ loss teams.

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Yes I am. Tolliver is a great

Yes I am. Tolliver is a great hustle role player that can play defense against 3's and 4's and also shoot the 3. Before we aquired Darko we lacked any real size or shot blocking down low and were getting killed there. I am not saying Darko is a star or anything, but he fits a need. Ridnour scores double digit points a game while shooting over 40% from 3. Another thing the timberwolves lacked at that time. Brad Miller is a veteran leader this this team needs. I think he might be the only player over 30 on the team.

The fact of the matter is that by knowledge, or sheer dumb luck, Kahn has put together a pretty solid young team with nice pieces and he did not do it soley through the lottery( as you claim), and he deserves credit for that.

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@Memphis: "Last year's Mavs

@Memphis: "Last year's Mavs had Kidd, Terry, and Barea. Why can't the T Wolves continue to carry Rubio, Ridnour, and Barea?"

The reason this is different is that Kidd is very old and Terry is kind of old and last year Barea was a $1.8 million player. Now Kahn is paying him about $5 million a year, while Rubio has young legs and can play 35+ minutes a game, Ridnour is also fairly young and can play major minutes, both of them are true point guards who are better suited for defending point guards (though Rubio is long enough to guard two guards, I just doubt he is strong enough at this point to do it well). Both are better than Barea (though the same can be said for Kidd and Terry last year). It is duplicative. Basically the Wolves big signing was at PG last year. After Powerforward, PG is the Wolves's best position. They have two legit starters in Ridnour and Rubio and went out and got a third string PG who is getting something close to starter level money. I know the plan probably was and certainly is now to flip Ridnour for someone else. If Kahn turns Ridnour into another solid rotation player, then I guess the whole plan works as Barea can get some run at backup PG. But I think that is a big IF.

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