Babbitt versus Haywood
It's to early to tell if Kahn sucks... he might... he might not. Until the latest collection of players play together you can't possibly know. What is obvious is that the talent level has increased tremendously since Kahn took over with the addition of W. Johnson, Pekovic, Webster, Beasley. Trading Jefferson isn't a done deal yet.... if it happens it will be to give the team flexibility for now and the next few seasons. You know these things of course because you are probably well versed in most everything in the universe and you couldn't possibly be talking about something you know little about.
I don't know about Kahn lol. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he doesn't seem like he knows what he's doing.
He may have a plan, but the real question is will he be around long enough to see it come to fruition?
We had McHale tearing the place up for 10 yrs. Kahn might not be conventional but you can't argue that he's puting pieces in place. While we'll have to see if the pieces can fit together... I'm reserving judgement until I see what happens with Al Jefferson and how our future capspace looks. I know it's just pieces right now, but we didn't even have that 1 yr ago. Add Rubio to a lot of talented, long, athletic players and the Wolves could be looking like the TrailBlazers of a few years ago.
Wow me and Butler agree on something lol
Hayward does not remind me of Mike Miller, Mike Miller came into the league as a great shooter and he won rookie of the year in a weak draft class but still he was pretty good scoring up until these past two years where he tried to just fit in and not shoot as much.
Also in this past draft, I would not have taken Miller Miller top 10 top 15 for sure though
RUDEBOY1000 are you stupid???? how do you think hayward can be a star in the league???? he's been a role player in summer league against D-LEAGUE talent.....and if you cant get it done in summer league how the hell you gonna get it done against guys like kobe nd melo??? like give me abreak
It's just summer league. Evan Turner was a role player in summer league as well... The same goes for Derrick Favors. Are they not going to be stars?
I don't think Hayward will be a star, but you can't base who's going to be a star or not based off of summer league.
I like the versatility of Gordo. I only watched the first game, but he didn't force anything, had some pretty impressive boards out of his area, and showed some good speed and finishing ability leading the break and picking off the pass for a dunk. He looked tentative, but I think he just needs some time to get comfortable. I think he could be a solid 14/5/5 guy with good intangibles a couple of seasons down the road.
I do too. I think Hayward can be a 13 ppg 5 rpg and 3 apg player.
Babbitt? Maybe 12 ppg and 6 rpg.
At best Iggy you believe both to be role players so still you did not answer my question would you draft either one with a top 10 pick in this past draft.
Nah, I wouldn't have. I think the Jazz should've picked Cole Aldrich. Still, as much as I love the way Aldrich would've fit with Utah, I think Hayward will be more productive. They could've gotten a better fit at 9 than Hayward, yes, but Hayward at 9 isn't all that bad. Small reach? Yes.
I can guarantee you that there will be 20 players in this draft better than Hayward that were drafted behind him.
20 may be a bit much but it will be closer to that
When you find those 20, think about how they'd fit with Utah and Coach Sloan. Sloan is very picky about the players on his roster. Takes a certain type of player to fit in their system.
I do agree that Hayward is probably one of the 15-20 best prospects though.
Iggy this may be another Curry moment for you because I dont see it man
I probably would have taken Babbitt over Hayward, but Hayward fits Utah better. I agree with you sheltwon 20 is a bit of a reach, but I could see guys like James Anderson, Quincey Pondexter, Luke Babbitt, and a few others being better than Hayward.
LOL, you can't see what? I agreed with what you said. Stephen Curry moment?
You said maybe not 20 players were better, and I said "I agree he is probably one of the top 15-20 players in the draft." What don't you see exactly?
role player is thrown around, i swear its like an insult. Not everyone can be a #1 option, let alone a superstar.
Everyone has their roles in the NBA.
While it is too early to tell, of course babbitt is gonna jump out more than hayward.. because he is, a better scorer. Hayward was drafter higher because he has more dimensions.
I am not throwing role player badly but with a top 10 pick in a draft with depth and talent in the front court position, no way I take Hayward this early. I wonder why Utah gave Raja Bell all that money. Unless it is a big man or a super athlete, you expect your top 10 pick to be close to ready to start and contribute.
Iggy I mentioned the Curry moment as saying it will be something that despite your great skills you overlook.
Maybe this will be another Sessions moment for me but I doubt it.
I will post the guys I think will be better than him but not right now
I have been busy if you may noticed it has been a like two days betweens posts.
Hayward was projected to go as high as the late lottery, so while being picked 9th was a bit of a reach, it's not that big of a deal. I mean, all it takes is one team to fall in love and like a player.
He had great workouts. There weren't too many mocks I read that didn't have his stock rising throughout the workout process. He shot the ball well, while showing that he was a better defender and athlete than he's been given credit for.
Utah worked out Aldrich, Davis, Patterson, George, Babbitt, and Henry... Hayward was the player they chose. They obviously feel he can be a good player for them, which I think he will.
Utah had not had good drafts so that does not bode well for this pick.
The Utah Jazz have been hit and miss like any other organization.
They normally pick very late in the lottery or towards the end of the first round, where it's even more of a crap shot.