[Celtics3178Participant]

 Let me start by saying I fully believe players should get some kind of compensation other then free schooling. That being said they have Arizona coach on wire tap offering 100,000 for ayton. If he accepted they need to kick AZ out of the tourney this year. You can make any arguement you want but rules are rules and they knowing broke them. A way to stop this from happening is letting kids go right to the NBA or making them wait another year to go pro. Ayton should have to wait until next year if he took that money. The NBA and NCAA should have a joint policy on this. it’s not  this is the first time Marcus camby got an entire college floor and a jacuzzi room when he was at umass. I’m sure there are a lot more players getting paid and More programs involved. Any team caught should be booted out of the tourney this year.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Yeah it’s crazy… Miller should be fired by Monday

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 He’s a great coach.  A better idea is disbanding the NCAA.  I’m so glad the FBI is focusing more stopping students from getting paid then stopping students from getting shot.  The only reason this is news is probably because somebody forgot to bribe the FBI too.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Sean Miller out And Lorenzo Romar back as head coach Coaching U of A lol. That’s a double whammy sure to set U of A back A good 5-6 yrs at least

[ChewyParticipant]

 about Marcus Camby. That’s crazy.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

So wait you’re saying a broke kid from the Bahammas who is already unlawfully being made to wait a year to be paid for his skill set, who has already made Arizona millions in tv coverage, apparell and endorsements, is wrong for accepting money?  All the NCAA does is exploit children why should Ayton not accept a measley 100k from a billionaire dollar business?  The NCAA rules are not in place because of ethical reasons they’re in place to control the money and exploit.  

Imagine being one of the worlds funniest comedians at age 18 but having to do shows for free a full year before being able to charge admittance.  Or being a great musiscian but having to release your music for free a full year before being able to sell them.  The one year removed rule is utterly ridiculous, the only requirment to work in the NBA a competitive sports league, is to be talented enough.  You should be able to play in the league as soon as a GM is wiling to pick you.  

Ayton would of went top 10 in the historically deep 2017 draft he didn’t need Arizona, Arizona needed him.

 

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 is that the NCAA worked perfectly fine when it was first instituted. Players weren’t going pro early. Top players stayed 3-4 years. The NCAA is great for the "lesser" sports; ie NOT men’s bball and fball.

But times change and the NCAA hasn’t changed with them. Instead they tried to keep their monopoly on amature sports only and got greedy. Hope all this forced the NCAA to change because they won’t do it willingly.

 

[raybeasParticipant]

 you have to follow the rules of that system.

He could have gone to Europe or Asia with no problems. He chose the NCAA route, which means he should have followed the NCAA’s arbitrary rules. Period.

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 if you willingly join an organization, you have to follow their rules. There were other route for him to get paid. But I hope this becomes part of the tipping point for some reform in the NCAA.

[llperez]

 first off there is nothing unlawful about it. The nba has decided its in their best interest to not have to bring kids in straight from highschool and trying to scout players at that low a level of competition. They want to see these players perform at a higher level before commiting a draft pick and millions of dollars that comes with drafting someone. Its no different then a comedy club not wanting to book a comedian for millions of dollars who hasnt performed in front of a large audience or a record label not wanting to sign someone to millions of dollars worth of deals prior to hearing them perform in front of a live audience.  

Also what you leave out which is quite important, nobody is made to go to college for even 1 year. The nba will absolutely hire you right out of highschool and pay money to play ball in the gleague for a year. Thats right, the nba will hire you and pay you if dont want to go to college. You also have the option of going overseas and playing pro which many kids have done

if you are against the system, then tell the kids to stop going through it and go get paid right away. As for stupid comparisons with other lines of work, at least make comparisons where comedians and musicians are being given gauranteed multy year deals before performing at a level that the companies paying them feel they need to see before committing ot them. 

 

 

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I hope Porter got money too since he was the consensus first pick before entering college and getting injured when he could of been in the league already.

[Arc12345Participant]

Ayton should have to wait until next year to declare for the draft? Because he took 100k? You’re ridiculous.

You must be joking. This BS rule is what the NCAA and NBA get. You can go die for your country but can’t play professional basketball? PLEASE.

He broke the NCAA rules and shouldn’t be allowed to play college ball anymore. It should have ZERO impact on him declaring for the draft.

 

 

 

[Arc12345Participant]

He’ll already sacrifice playing the rest of the year. If he actually has to wait another year to declare for the draft he should file a lawsuit and get paid even more.

All bogus.

  

 

 

[Celtics3178Participant]

 Your age arguement makes no sense. You can’t  work at a casino until your 21 can’t get a cdl liscense until your 21 and you can’t join the NFL until after 2 years of college football I could keep going. 

the fact is players going ha to pro doesn’t work. For every Lebron or KG you had 20 eddy curry. Hot comedian argument is also head scratching. Can you name one funny comedian under 18? Tv actors are handed scripts I’ve never seen a successful stand up comedian under 25. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

In most states, a person cannot take the bar exam until they finished law school. There are barriers to entry for people who might otherwise be qualified in all kinds of fields.

 

 

 

[mowestenParticipant]

Nobody said he had to go to Arizona. He could have played overseas or sat out a year. He chose to attend an NCAA school and compete within their rules.

I’m not necessarily a fan of the rules myself, but if you break them, you do so at your own risk. The bigger question might be if he accepted the $100,000, did he report it as income and pay taxes on it. How do you squirrel away that kind of money without anyone noticing?

By the way, it’s not unlawful for an employer to create a set of parameters that employees have to meet. The NBA could, in theory, require all of its employees to hold a college degree. Plenty of employers require that, or more.

I’m not a fan of the one and done rule, but it’s not that dissimilar from the requirements that exist in other professional sports leagues. Saying it is unlawful is rather hyperbolic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The IRS angle is an interesting one. Here is another, this is more or less a cash exchange. If this agent is seeking to reimbursed for his "recruiting" of clients from his employer, what mechanism was in place to keep him from lying? I’m sure he was throwing money around, but if it is cash then will there be proof that this took place in each of these cases? A phone tap will bring down Arizona, but I’m not so sure about everyone involved.

[Bad DogParticipant]

 It’s actually much easier than you would believe. Considering how much money laundering takes place (yuge) and how much of it is reported to government agencies (even yuger), $100k is nothing. There are so many ways Ayton could have hidden the money without anyone even having a clue. Some good examples are trade-based money laundering (is the best but requires a legit third party business), use of shell companies, use of monetary instruments like money orders or cashiers checks, bulk cash smuggling to off-shore banks like the Bahamas, and so on. Ayton and his family may not be familar with money laundering techniques but I’m sure their lawyers are and could even establish the shell companies for them and list themselves as directors to hide the true benefiicary ownership.

[Arc12345Participant]

Why can kids in Europe play pro basketball whenever they please? Why can kids in any county play pro ball whenever they please?

It’s because the NCAA is a JOKE and a money making machine. I don’t think that rule should apply to any sport. If you think you can make it and go play, then go f***ing play. It’s absolutely garbage that the NBA works this way.

And I really don’t want to hear “this isn’t Europe.” You’re probably one of those idiots that doesn’t believe in universal healthcare too

 

 

 

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Sean Miller isn’t coaching tonight’s game…

 

[mowestenParticipant]

Listen man, people act as though the one-and-done rule is some directive from the NBA or the NCAA that came crashing down on the system. The reality is, a big part of the reason why the one and done rule exists at all is because the NBPA agreed to this in the latest collective bargaining agreement. Professional athletes’ rights and their union representation in the collective bargaining process has tremendous leverage and are recognized in a way in which precious few employees in this country will ever experience.

Comparring this to Europe, other professions, buying beer, renting a car or serving your country demonstrates an unwillingness to accept that the athletes themselves agreed to these terms and were well represented in those negotiations.

 

There is no evidence that would suggest that the NBPA agreed to the one-and-done rule unwillingly. 

 

If Ayton or any other athlete wants to change those rules, then once they are in the NBA, they should address it with the NBPA and then work to influence the Association and get other players to support that change — then make it a point of emphasis in the next collective bargaining agreement.

 

Roughly 10 percent of all American workers are unionized, which means that unless you are negiotiating a contract with your employer, the conditions of employment is dictated to you, not agreed upon. So, to be frank, I have a hard time conjuring up a lot of sympathy for athletes who are working in a system in which they themselves had a hand in creating through the collective bargaining process. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Celtics3178Participant]

 I’m not sure how much European professional athletes make but since their best players come to the NBA I’m assuming it’s a lot less. No one stopped Ayton from going to Europe and playing a year if he wanted too. He choose To play at Arizona no one put a gun to his head and said play there. The NBA is better having kids play a year in college. Was kwane brown worth the 1 pick??? He got millions off being a giant bumb. 41 picks have come from hs and 28 are complete busts.

[Arc12345Participant]

I DO NOT CARE AND NOR SHOULD IT MATTER HOW MANY BUSTS HAVE COME FROM DECLARING FOR THE DRAFT STRAIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

It’s not about the busts. It’s the idea of freedom and opportunity. Again this is absolutely hilarious some of the arguements you all are coming up with about playing the game of BASKETBALL. This isn’t law school, medical school, or another field in which your performance is going to directly impact someone’s well being and life. This is BASKETBALL. Saying they could make the rule "having a degree" or another requirement to enter this work place is absolute crap and you know it. 

If people want to go play professional ball OF ANY SORT and develop their craft, they should be able to do that! For a country that talks so much about the land of the free and home of the brave, this sounds like the opposite of that. Realize the absurdity that you can GO DIE for your country at 18 but can’t get paid to put a ball through a hoop or score a touchdown??? ABSURD.

Sure, it’s not going to work out for some and even many people. But that is part of the "American Dream." You give yourself a chance and have the opportunity to pursue the things you want.

As for the athletes agreeing to this, I think that was true then. Nobody could forsee how bad the new rule would turn out. I think if you asked the NBPA today, you’d get a much different answer.

 

 

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 wanted to protect contracts for aging players. Too many spots at the end of the bench went to players who were truly not ready to play at the NBA level. Some vets were getting bumped out by unproven 18 years olds who many times never made it.

But, if only there was some sort of minor league with some stupid name like G league or something where these 18 yr olds who want to jump straight to the pros could go to prove themselves and earn an NBA contract…

Hell, if the next Lebron comes along, I wouldn’t mind him giving up his HS and College eligibility and playing in the G league at 16, so long as he is capable of playing at that level. If a player can play at the NBA level, he should be able to play in the NBA. Let NBA team front offices do their job and choose anyone they want.

Edit: But I DO NOT agree with NBA teams using a roster spot on a player who isn’t ready just because of the magical word "potential." Sign em, but keep em in the G league til they prove themselves.

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

I feel the same way chewy. Build your team however you want but dont bring em up until they are ready. I have used Hockey as an example before. But to a degree even baseball has something to offer. If a prospect is a stud, he is fast tracked. If he is a young project then he is brought along slowly. Teams could even bring players up after the all-star break on two-way deals and not count against the cap…something like that needs to be considered at the next CBA.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Well. There still is no evidence that has been released that ayton actually took the money. All that we know at this point is that Miller conspired to pay him. I agree 100 percent that Miller should be fired but until there is actual proof I have no problem with ayton continuing to play.

[jjj10manParticipant]

 This is so disrespectful. I believe KG is just as comparable to Jordan as Lebron. The same arguments that are made as to why Lebron is better than Jordan can be made for Garrnett.  If Garrnett would have ‘took his talents to south beach, he would have 5-6 ring’.

He was the best rebounder and defender in the league at the same time who also averaged 24 points and 5 assist (lebron averages 7 Ast and gets compared to Magic but he’s closer to Jordan and Garnett passing)

Also consider the fact that Garnett a is significantly better defender than anyone in the NBA right now; he was literally (close) to Kawhi in skill, but with more versatility than Draymond, and more athletic than Gobert.

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Garnett took his talents to Boston and teamed up with Allen and Pierce. The exact same move Lebron made before Lebron made it. Won 1 championship, not Lebron, not Jordan. KG.

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