What does his future look like? At one point this guy was a projected top 3 pick coming out of high school. What type of player is he going to be 3-4 years from now?
I would say a Nicholas Batum type player, a guy who can do a little bit of everything but specializes in shooting the 3-ball and defending, and I think that's high praise because many teams have tried to get Batum out of Portland but they will not let him go.
Also I haven't really been following the Pistons since Kuester beefing with the players, but has he been getting average minutes for anyone who has been following the Pistons?
he has been clutch in games for detroit but they have been playing him at shooting guard. he needs a good point guard next to him to be any good. he doesn't have the defense of datum and has the body of tayshaun prince
He is a spot up shooter IMO. He can hit a jumpshot and thats all there is to his game. Decent passing I guess.
I see his ceiling as Rashard Lewis in all honesty. Good shooter, tall so he can get his shot off easily, and some decent athletic abilities. It's just I'm critical of players who are 6'10" and can't get 7 rebounds EASILY lol -_____-
But I can't see the Batum comparison because I haven't seen much defensive committment from Austin Daye plus Batum is a great athlete as well.
In the words of Charles Barkley at last seasons All-Star Weekend
"Light skinned brothers are making a comeback"
I don't see the Batum comparison either. Batum can defend Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant or LeBron James. Daye can defend? Well nobody so far. I also think Batum has point forward type potential. I don't see that kind of offensive versatility in Daye at all.
I like Daye though. I can definitely see him becoming a Rashard Lewis type... A stretch four. His handle is decent too to at least put the ball on the floor for a few dribbles.
Rashard Lewis?? I hope you guys mean the 2011 version Rashard Lewis b/c back in the early-mid 2000's Lewis was putting up 20 and 6 annually. I don't see Daye being any more than a stretch 4 who comes off the bench and gives you 15-20 minutes a night. If a strong gust of wind came through while he was outside I'm afraid he might blow away....does he eat?
I like Daye as an oversized SF; with that shooting touch and clutch instincts he could be something of a Peja Stojakovic down the road, except maybe not as prolific. Regardless, I think the Pistons should let Prince go and give Daye a chance to shine this season before the crop of 2012 SFs become available in the draft.
At least they they'll know where they stand in preparation for the next draft. Assuming of course there's enough of a season to evaluate his progress. Sigh.
Yeah Pistons need to trade the veterans ( Gordan,Hamilton, and Prince)and restart because they are all ready bad and have no money because no one wants to watch an old team lose game .
They need to trade for some good contracts and some first rounders and let Austin Daye and Brandon Knight get there minutes.
And if they just traded for 2 first rounder .Then they would have a Pistons top 5 pick and could possibly get Drummond,Barnes,Sullinger , and Davis,those guys would be great to pair with Knight and Monroe
and if they get a top 10 pick in a trade they could get a sg with Rivers ,Beal, or Lamb
Then could go into the 2013 season with this lineup
i just dont see it with Daye...never did
Daye has got pretty good skills. I like his game, but he will never be a good player in the NBA if he doesn't put on some weight and starts playing defense.
Charlie-V type player.. dat should pretty much say it all.
Have yall ever even seen the guy play?? He isnt a spot up shooter... He is a basketball player.. He can shoot, score and create for others.. I think once he gets into a role with Detroit, you will see that the guy can create for others better than any other 6'11 player in the league..
Yes, people have seen him play, but unfortunately, the spot-up shooter portion of his game is one of the few facets to have been revealed since he has been in the league. I agree with you, if he gets a solid roll he could be a dandy. He plays alot like Prince to me, so I dont think there is room for both of them. He can get better on D, but that has to be emphasized....right now. The kid can be just as good as Prince or better, but he needs a coach that believes in him and pushes him, (especially defensively) a good point guard, and most important, more playing time and opportunity to grow.
I like the Prince comparison because that's who he reminds me of. Less defensive intensity. The Shard comparisons aren't the best IMO. 2011 Shard is a decent comparison, but Shard used to have a TERRIFIC post game before signing with Orlando.
Daye is an above average player skill-wise, but having Keuster as his head coach, isn't going to help him develop very well. (see DaJuan Summers). Personally, I'd like to see him with a team like LAC where he can get his own shot on the perimeter but would have 2 playe3rs better than him for teams to put most of their focus on. Daye would play well off of the 2G's. Having Jordan behind him would allow him to use his length to become a good team defender.
Detroit is going nowhere and could very well hold Daye's career back from what it could have been.
BTW, Daye average 6.8 rpg PER 35 mts. He's actually a decent rebounder when given the minutes.
ive seen daye probably the most out of everyone on this site since i live in the detroit area...
il break it down lol...the best i can...
okay... daye first off has lots of room to grow... i can see the talent in him... hes far from realizing his potential...
he can shoot well from the outside, and is a good spot up shooter... hes rebounding is improving and his assertiveness...
he cant constisently get to the basketball cuz of his handle and strength... hes off the game dribble is developing and is inconsistent.... but u know hes only gnna get better with that area.... as of now he needs the ball to be effective... hes nothing more than just a scorer at this point... but his talent is there for sure... he can be somewhat like a rashard lewis guy... thats a pretty good comparison...
Lets be for real he is the wanna be version of Tayshaun Prince
him and prince dont even play alike
I see a lot of young Sam Perkins in him honestly, a good stretch forward, not a real rebounding mentality but capable of getting 6-8 pg when given minutes, and with only average athleticism but very good length to make up for it. I think Daye's career production will be similar Perkins once he matures, you know, double digit scorer starting caliber player, but not an All-Star.
I'll never understand the comparison between Daye and Prince. Outside of being light-skinned and thin, tall wings, they aren't much alike.
Daye is a jump shooter with height, who isn't the devoted defender, athlete or the passer Prince is. Tayshaun Prince was an elite defender who could shoot, handle the ball and play some PG in spurts, and he was more than capable of making the athletic play. Prince was skinny, but he was deceptively strong, as he was able to pretty much play every game before the last 2 years or so and he never was bullied by stronger post players (Lebron James and Paul Pierce, two strong wings, never really bullied him especially considering hoow much thinner he is than them). Tayshaun Pince is/was ALOT tougher than Austin Daye. Daye does have some scorer potential, but he needs to polish everything about his offensive game, even his jumper although it is definitely promising and he shot his jumpers well last year. But he's still weak and soft, anyone who's 6'11 that shoots 41.5% from inside the arc, and who gets 3.8 rpg in 20 mpg needs strength and polish. No way around it. He has time to get better, but he's not similar at all to Tayshaun Prince in terms of how they play. He's a poor mans Rashard Lewis in alot of ways though probably.
we are saying that he is similar to Prince as far as his upside and they could be similar once Daye gets to a comparable age....even in playing style. a lot of times on here we make advance comparisons eventhough at the time of the comparison, one player may be far more advanced in college and pro career than the other. Daye played 2 years college, Prince 4. Prince has been in the league 8 years, Daye...1. So we can wait on the similarities but I think they are there.
For one, I think because a player doesnt come in the league as a great defender we assume they automatically wont be. I will agree that he is not as athletically explosive as Prince, particularly when finishing. He definitely isnt as strong as Prince.
Its like JoeWolf's comparison of Sam Perkins, his career could end up looking like Sam's, but right now I cant see any Sam in him except he is tall and long and can stretch the floor. Other than that, Sam was incredibly strong and had a strong post game and he was a power forward who could play Center equally as well.
Universal...you said you have seen him play more than any of us...I think Daye has a lot of potential as a passer...do you agree?
I personally dont see the Rashard Lewis comparison as far as game. They are 6'11" shooters, but Lewis was a great athlete and used that to his advantage to score a lot, even if it was just rising up on his jumper. Plus his post game was terrific. Daye is not as athletic, so his scoring, from what I have seen relies on a lot more craftiness and IQ with the ball. His perimeter game reminds me of the Curry's (Dell/Steph) because they were crafty enough to get their shots off without tremendous athleticism while avoiding much body contact.
All in all, Daye has to get stronger, thats his biggest weakness right now. With that, he will be able to get to the line more, will help in the rebounding area, get better defensively, and off the dribble will be better. All those things are directly affected by his strength alone. Other than that, he has an enormous all-around skill set as a scorer/passer I think, it will really depend on his situation which in Detroit may not be the best right now.
Your view of Prince is scewed by the fact he had the Wallace's behind him. LBJ absolutely DID bully him arounde 20+ straight points once he lost Ben Wallace. He was a good defender against 2's he could use his length against, otherwise he simply funneled players into Ben or Sheed. Having those guys behind him coverd a LOT of Prince's defensive shortcomings. He was /is an overrated defender. I agre he was more versatile than Daye, but those days are far behind him. The Tayshaun I see now is QUITE similar to Austin Daye. A jumpshooter with mediocre D and and is fairly one dimensional.
Tay was absolutely a good team defender, but to count him as an alite defender or a TOUGH guy is overstating. I remember when watching that game where LBJ bullied the whole Detroit team, Tayshaun just stepping out of his way afraid to contest or take a charge. His D sure seemed a lot better having one of the Best defensive frontcourts of our generation backing him up.
BTW, Tayshaun his 6-9 himself yet he's NEVER averaged 6 rbs himself. Not even one a per 36 minute basis.
yeah i think tay is an overrated defender
and with those arms and length how does he not average at least 8 rpg or 1.5 bpg???
daye has alright passing ability... something hes pretty average at this point... and looks for his shot when he gets the ball mostly
I do think Prince was aided by the Wallace's. I also think he was an elite defender though. You'd be hard pressed to find many better perimeter defenders than Prince during those runs. Team D helps, but it still is NBA D and you are going to have to play some semblence of strong D for it to work. Lebron James had that great game in Game 6 when he scored all those points in the 4th and OT, but alot of those points came off of jump shots and not him being bullied. It's also worth consideringthat it was less than half a game when he went on his run.
I don't see how saying Prince is tougher than Austin Daye is overstating anything. I just don't.
Tayshaun Prince isn't similar to Austin Daye still. Daye doesn't handle the ball or pass like Tayshaun Prince, and he doesn't look to impact the game in ways besides shooting jumpers. Prince can provide some of everything, even at this point in his career. He doesn't fit well with a rebuilding team like Detroit, as he was always been a role-player on veteran teams, but he still can impact games in more ways than Austin Daye in an ideal situation.
Prince also had 4 years in college and a year of seasoning on the bench of a veteran team. Persoanlly, IMO, you could have plugged quite a few defensive nminded players in Tayshaun's spot and got similar results. It's not like he was going out there locking other teams 3's down regularly. He had good man D and elite team D. Not an Elite defender though. Plugg Trevor Ariza, Matt Barnes, Devean George or any defensive MINDED role player in Tay's spot and IMO, you'll end up with similar results. James Posey is by no means an elite Defender, but I bet he could have done Tayshaun's role just fine even wi8thout the extra pg play and post up ability.
Again, I say, the Tayshaun who was a vital member to a championship, a second finals apearance, and countless ECF's was a terrific team player with incredible versatility. Above average D and point forward play. Tayshaun Prince now can't even put up numbers on a shabby team.