White basketball players:
You guys want objective food for thought. It's people like Auber on this site that contribute to the society's issues when it comes to youth. He called Eric Devendorf a thug. Now, be objective and let's get SERIOUS. I don't care how often he talks trash or how many tattoes he gets inked on him neck ect, he's allowed to be his own person without facing ridicule. When black players do it, everyone turns the cheek. People on this site always say they NBA cares about image. Really??? then ban everyone who smokes marijuana, (Beasley and Chalmers for the NBA draft tie to this) and players who are always involved in nightclub incidents. When it pertains to white players, oh, they're trailer trash. Give me a break. The guy was unjustly accused of hitting a woman last year! But nobody cares and only remember the original reporting of the situation. There wasn't any news when the female admitted SHE LIED. How come the university police or the city of Syracuse police arrest him? How come he only missed three games?
The BIGGER problem with statements by Auber is that IT IS DIRECTLY CORRLEATED to society everyday. If a young 13-year-old walks with his pants down, then he's a gang member. If he has two cell phones to be fly and cool with his friends, then he's percieved as a drug dealer. That's the real issue. As long as people aren't being unlawful should it matter? The next thing you know, that young person has been told so many times that he's a thug that subconsciously, they believes it and starts to behave in that manner.
Dhamp...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
D-Hamp, I live in Syracuse. Auber lives in Syracuse. We seen Devo. He is a thug man. He walked around here with the wrong crowd and always thought he was tougher then everyone man
He walked around here with drugs, guns and other things. I remember when he tore his ACL and he was walking around with crutches, me and a friend walked up to him and just said a simple "Hey Devo" and he got all mad and started pulling his gun out man.
I hope he does not get into the NBA.
and one of the most common misconception of basketball players, especially college players, is that they are thugs, not just white players. As far as neck tattoos, kenyon martin got lips tattood on his neck and i read an article and saw something on NBA TV about how ridiculous it was implying that he was a thug and an idiot.
I don't know anything about the situation involving the girl so I can't comment on that. I like players that talk trash, its just part of the game and being competitive. I don't hold anything against Devo for having tats, thats just his style. I agree though that a lot of people do judge him in a negative way due to his image.
I really doubt that happened to you. I have another question for people about Devo. What is his past criminal records like? I honestly dont know. I really feel this topic will really not matter becuz I see it as highly unlikely he will be drafted, but wnated get some opinions.
Dude, no lie. I dont know Devo's personal criminal records but i know this man was trouble
This forum is starting to suck.
I don't think Auber has anything against "urban" players. Auber just simply believes based on Devo's attitude and past history it is not worth it for an NBA to take a chance on a guy like this who doesn't really have any extraordinary basketball skills anyway.
If I was an NBA GM I wouldn't draft Devo for the simple fact that I don't think he is good enough to play in the NBA...simple as that.
I agree Gator Heels.
AT 6-4, he would be undersized at the 2. I dont think he could play the 2. He could shoot which nmakes him a good 10th man but i think theres 60 guys better than him.
No, there have been users on this site that says Auber does have a problem with urban players. Even Sheltown has accused him of this. And Devo's is just the center piece of this larger problem. His draft status isn't the issue. Player's often get bad raps, and when they do, the public buys into it, without knowing anything of the player and a snowball effect occurs. Player's images are always hurt eventhough they are being themselves. It's a double standard. There's a lot to this and it's very broad. And Pringles, I'm sorry you feel that way, but this is a real basketball issue that's pervasive around the nation, not just sports. And this forum is all about dicussions. So, instead on always talking about things that are remedial, let's bring up issues that are permeated in the basketball world. Real issues, and how basketball relates.
Whenever I see you I'm reminded of when you used to spell Hubie wrong. At least you know who he is.(kind of)
First off. If you really want to get into people with a bad image I'm all for it. Some of my favorite players include Dennis Rodman, Charles Barkley, Ron Artest, and Rasheed Wallace who are arguably four of the biggest bad boys of my generation. Despite their "Thuggish" image you know what got them to the NBA? Sheer determination and talent. Which is somethng Devendorf is lacking in.
Taking a term from baseball, "He's got a 10 cent arm and a 5 cent head." Which in all honesty doesn't take you far in regardless of what sport you play in. Take Delmon Young for example who in my mind has far superior talents than Devendorf on his brightest day, but the same head on his shoulders. Where has he gotten? From one of Baseball Americas top prospects to sheer animosity in most of Baseball.
Next you want to bring the weed argument into play. Did you know I owned Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers in their rookie seasons? I originally drafted Josh Howard in that league and have also owned Darius Miles for years now. People smoke dude, but as the Great Charles Barkley stated in his infamous Nike Commercial... and I quote...
I am not a role model.
I am not paid to be a role model.
I am paid to wreak havoc on a basketball court.
Parents should be role models..
Just because I dunk a basketball.
Doesn't mean I should raise your kids.
These words from Nike's most infamous commercial in my mind are the biggest reality that the NBA needs to face. The league needs to stop marketing their super stars as community activists and instead have them put up or shut up on a basketball court because that's what they get paid to do. I'm not against some players being active in their community, I think it's great in one sense, but on the other end it's not what these players are getting paid to do. These guys are Athletes and not Human Activists. If they wanted to make a difference to today's youth in America they should take a career in politics and try and provide the necessary changes this country needs to strive.
You want to bring in the situation where Devondorf and his alleged assault charges and this may be the one aspect of him (other than the fact that he is white,) that I will agree with you on. To this day I don't buy into those reports of Devondorf Sexually assaulting anyone on the Syracuse University campus and the surrounding area, but at this point the damage to his image had already been done. If you watched any Syracuse basketball this year you knew the frustration Boeheim has with this team. It wasn't team basketball, it was a bunch of offensive prowless filled with individual egos and in all honesty despite adding the talent Donte Greene would have hurt this team more than helped it last year. I don't know how much of the media speculation you have read about Deveondorf D-Hamp, but It's honestly believed by most fans that Devondorf was forced out of the University because Boehim wanted Wesley Johnson and Brandon Tirche to recieve ample playing time next season. I really don't doubt the claim of this between the frustration this season had between Boehim, the team, and Devondorf.
Now you want to imply that I'm a racist so I'm going to tell you how I stand on the view of racism. I am a 20 year old Caucasian male with brown hair and brown eyes. My heritage includes traces of Italian, Polish, but primarily german. My mother has been dating an African American for the last two years. My father has been with the same girl for three years who indeed despite being Caucasian, has an African American son. Now lastly my god mother is also married to an African American. Black is the color around me dude so I don't get why you imply that I'm a racist. If anything I'm a self racist. I think in most fields of work if given an ample opportunity, an African American individual will give more output than input in their given field than a Caucasian male in a given environment. Why is this you may ask? I attribute it to mainly the idea that as Caucasian males were viewed as the dominated race from society and because of that we take much more for granted than we should. Because African Americans have been denied so many things given to us as Caucasian males they just want it more than we do.
People are products of their environment D Hamp. You are the person your shown to be with the 5 closest people around you. If given Caucasian male Eric Devondorf hangs around with 5 African American males what is he looked upon as? The Token white guy just trying to fit in. Same situation on the other side of the street. Devondorf is a product of bad upbringing and terrible core values. He may be a good matured person at heart, but he's already shown enough to most of us that he's not the player many people he thinks he is.
Actions speak louder than words in the case of Devondorf, and I think GMs have seen enough. If he does get a chance in this league it's one he doesn't deserve. Not because of the color of his skin, not because of his mental capacity, but from a true stand point aspect that Devendorf has no business playing in the NBA with his skill set. Take it from a guy who has lived in the Syracuse area his entire life. I know a vast majority on the forum will agree with me on this one.
I never called you a racist. Now, for the fourth time, why is Devendorf a thug!!! lol. I only need a one sentence response. You called him a thug and promted me to write my semi-deep prose. Stop circumnavigating around the subject. Why is he a thug?
In regards to Devo being forced out of Syracuse; he wasn't. I posted an one-on-one interview with him about his declaring for the draft a few weeks ago.
It's his image on the program. His negative attitude and his me first persona. His nba future just doesn't bode well with me that's all. Being a drug dealer didn't help his cause much either. I know any syracuse fan will agree with me on that one
YOU JUST PROVED MY F..... POINT. Having an image problem and being me first doesn't make you a thug. And, he was never a drug dealer. You can't find anything on the Internet about that. To me, a thug robs, sell drugs (Devo didn't) shoots, steals and kill people.
It's people like you who attribute to society's problems, nuff said. You saw something about a person (maybe) and came up with a conclusion without incontrovertible evidence that he's a thug. It happens to young people everyday. If you have any questions, re-read my first post. You just proved my point of this discussion. I'll holla.
I don't have anything to prove in this thread other than the fact that devo won't make it in the nba
C'mon man, average talent with no true position & possible character issues? What GM isn't going to jump on the chance to get that cat?
I would!!!! Devo going 8th overall!!!!! LOL
No way i would even watch his workouts...i rather have John Bryant
Haha I would rather have John Bryant too.
it's pointless making a logical argument to alot of the people. i mean christ, i made an argument to the people who said nelson shouldn't have made contact with kobe's elbow. you should know somebody like dhamp won't give in, even if if he's wrong.
Devo hit a &$#%#&@! girl. Enough said about whether he's a thug or not. Case closed.
I can care less if Devo doesn't make the NBA. You guys aren't that intelligent if you can't see Auber is wrong. He called him a thug and for what. Just to say it. You guys are idots, especially d-grilzzly if he can't see the point I'm making. It's not about Devo. It's about the world as a whole. Auber all but himself admitted he is wrong. You guys are clueless.
You have a burning passion for Eric Devondorf inside of you D Hamp. It's cool maybe wikipedia's got an article on his sexual affairs with John Bryant.
This is one reason why I don't post here very often. Forums definitely need mods.
dhamp's just like every dumba$$ i've talked to. always right, never wrong. i bet he put on his big boy pullups today.
Amazingly, I'm the first one to agree with D-Hamp. Im not sure about devendorf being a thug or anything he's just another college kid. Auber is a little out of my at least social circle. So i agree with D-Hamp......
Ok, tell me what I'm wrong about.
shut up Dhamp Devendorf has a thug image and thats all Auber saying . people call k-mart a thug because of tattoes and swearing like crazy to the media and its almost the same thing for Devendorf.
Ok, birdman. You tell me whre I'm wrong. It seems nobody can. You all know I'm right.
you tell him how he's wrong and then he asks how he's wrong. it's pointless. p.o.$hit
d-grizzly, you brought it up. Tell me how I'm wrong. Nuff said! lol
I think you are right D Hamp. It is a problem to call someone a thug based on their image. However I will give Auber & Knicksboy a pass on this one because they apparently know Devo personally.
you're starting $hit with aub you retard. plus, you brought up the stereotypes in your first post dumba$$. NUFF SAID. LOL! you're a gayfish dude
" Dhamp...the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway. "
d-grizzly here's what you posted: dhamp's just like every dumba$$ i've talked to. always right, never wrong. i bet he put on his big boy pullups today.
OK, to give you to contrapositive, how am I not right in this case. I only need one sentence. You can't call people thugs based on perception. Even if they've met once (maybe) it doens't mean they know that person well enough to say such things. It happens everyday. I see some 18-year-old kid with bright colors on and people say, "there go gang members."
So please, I only need one sentence for you to show me how I'm wrong. Please. Enlighten me.
I'm done talking to a dude about this matter who thinks hes on a pedestal. Step down back to reality and we'll grant you an acquaintance.
Auber, I already aired you out. What you did, calling people thugs for having a negative attitude and being self-centered, is bordeline bigotry. Foreal.
If anything I'm hating my own race.
what are you trying to prove Dhamp that Auber said that Devo has a reputation of being a thug.
Since when did calling someone a thug become a racial issue? Let's just say his persona is one which an NBA team would be leary of. Would you want him working for you or being your friend? I wouldn't.
this is very interesting..i agree a lil with both...calling devo a thug when you dont even know the guy doesnt make some one a racist but does make them ignorant and prejudice just from what they have heard or seen how someone acts on a basketball court..as far as some of the nab players ya'll have named about being a thug ..what qualifies someone as a thug?..ive known artest since 5star camp in 97 and though he acts thuggish on the court he doesnt get into trouble really off of it..he donates and does alot of charity work that is never published in the paper so are some of yall basing the thug personna on what the player does on the court?..if so thats not a good reason because the basketball court is like a stage ..alot of people act a certain way when they arent and some go a lil overboard because they like the attention( rodman) ...as far as devo being drafted i pretty much doubt it..but as far as basic tools to work with and get better with he could make a team through summer leauge..if not hes gonna make very good money in europe
I never said Devo was not a thug because he may be and like Tupac he may not care if people know it. I was just saying that you can not always look at a few thing and say someone is a thug. Calling someone a thug in the manner that people called Martin and seems like Devo is like calling them a lowlife and punk. You are saying it in a negative way. A lot of athletes has similiar backgrounds and tatooes. Everyone has prejudices. That does not mean there are racist because most people do fit stereotypes so they can fit in and have an identity. The is an unfortunate truth. There are a lot of talented player not in the NBA who got in trouble and were not talented enought to put up with. Qyntel Woods is a good player but the dog thing hurt him and some other stuff. Tinsley is being paid to stay away from the team. Devo may be a thug but my thing is we need to be careful about how we use that term with urban people because there are negative stereotype about many different people race financial status and what not and you don't want to fall into that trap. I will say that if he was a little better than regardless he would still get drafted. AI and Martin, and Melo were top 4 in the drafts and they have urban history.
I don't believe Auber is a racist but maybe there are certain aspects of players and people that he finds offensive and he maybe thinks Devo has it but my thing if dude is a thug then he is a thug but if he is a thug my thing is what does that make you. What do you flaws make you out to be.
Also since when did most men and athletes not been cocky and have some sort of attitudes. That front for the cameras is not them. Ron Artest being labeled a thug was stupid because he is passionate and that can be good or bad and i know I had to deal with my own passion and how it got me in trouble in some situations.
Teams will accept most any behavior if a man can play. If a guy has the same skill as another player, but has a negative aura for whatever reason, the player without the negative aura will get the job. There are probably many players with comparable ability where he will be looked at in the draft. It's these intangables that will hurt him. From my perspective, being called a thug isn't that bad of a wrap. Maybe others are more sensitive to that word. However, his perceived persona will not help him come draft day when teams decide who will represent them on their squad.
DHAMP you didn't even name the thread right, so how can you have like any credibility. You are talking about one player (Eric Devendorf) yet you title the thread: Auber and White basketball players. That is one guy. You are basically assuming Auber is a racist (against his own kind). Seriously, how can you complain about someone saying something about a players IMAGE. Yes, that is his image. Does it mean Auber should have called him a thug? Probably not, maybe he thinks of a thug as a different definition then you do? This really isn't that big a deal. So stop complaining about this inadvertant incident.
Here's the deal. It's not about Devo, he's just the centerpiece to the conversation that is pervasive in many communities. The problem is Auber called Devo a thug and I simply asked why is he a thug? Auber's answer, posted on this forum, said Devo was about himself and has a negative attitude. But Auber is wrong, those characteristics doesn't make someone a thug. Most say Devo's a thug because he's a white, trash talking, tattooe wearing basketball player, playing a predominatly black sport. Black guys with the same tattoes and persona act like Devo and many, although some, and nobody says a word.
My point is, you can't walk around calling people thugs and you aren't sure about it. You can't judge a book by it's cover. When one person calls you a thug and people hear it, then more people also began doing so. It then gets to the point where everyone calls that person a thug and everyone becomes misinformed. These sterotypes happens everywhere with today's youth. If you see a teenager sagging his pants, then he's regulated to being a thug, and it's not the case. It's a social issues, but through Devo, I made it related to basketball. All Auber had to do was aplolgize for being uninformed or being too subjective. It was never about Devo being drafted.
Define thug. To me, it just means the kind of guy looking for problems. A little seedy with a questionable attitude. Usually would rather solve a problem with fists than through discussion. Often times hangs with a posse of people with questionable morals. That's my loose definition anyway. Am I missing something? What's the big deal about that word anyway? To me it has absolutely no racial undertones. That's my culture anyway.
wait a min..what are you talking about dhamp when u say alot of black players have tats and act like devo and no one says anything...have you watched sports or the news lately..most of the time they are being called thugs either by fans or announcers..i rarely see a white player called a thug
Actual when most people use thug they mean loser lowlife and somethat wants to deal with things in a violent manner. That is stupid because a lot of human do that and some will hide behind the law. Some dont have the balls to beef so they get someone else and say they are not a thug but their mindset is that of a lowlife.