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Athleticisim or Skill

Ideally you want both qualities but if I had a choice i would take the skill guy. A GM said it is easier to prepare/plan/scout against for Atleticisim than it is for skill. Say a 4 that can shoot three's and post. but is not a great dunker. I read about K.Irving that he is not in the same class as JWall with explosiveness, but JayWilliams ( the last great PG from NJ) and Ironically both went to Duke, Any way JWill said that Irving has the ability to control the flow of a game. So i think that i have been looking @ athleticisim & thinking this is the end all be all for a prospect. But skill should be just as or even more important. looking back @ previous drafts to see Athleticisim being drafted over skill, The 1st person i think about is T.Thomas being traded for LA. So GM's Love potential and athleticism.


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You get more mileage out of

You get more mileage out of skill than athleticism.

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It goes on a case by case

It goes on a case by case basis. It depends how skilled/unathletic you are and how athletic/skilled you are. For example Brad Miller is far more skilled than Dwight Howard, but would I take the Skill over the athleticism, hell no.

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I would say skill. There are

I would say skill. There are many athletes with 40 inch verticals that never made it out of college. But there are many players who aren't that athletic but end up being good role players and sometimes even coaches.

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I would say Athleticism Why?

I would say Athleticism

Why? You can teach skill, you can teach anybody how to shoot a jumpshot, how to box out, when and where to make the right pass etc. It takes tons of hard work. It takes years and years of practice, but if the guy with tons of athleticism still works hard. Still wants to be better, he will achieve it. Alot of the guys that were super athletes that never made it, were usually the guys that really relied on their athleticism, that never worked on their jumpshot, or tried to slow down and learn the game. Anybody can have skill, but without athleticism, there are a select few that can even make it. Nobody can just wake up and have athleticism, and the guys that do have it, the guys that are athletic But still work on the rest of their game, they are the ones that turn to the kobe bryant's the lebron james' dwyane wade's kevin durant's etc.

So i would pick, Athleticism

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Id rather have Freddette on

Id rather have Freddette on my team then Selby. Same time thou a good comparison would be Curry and Derozan, long term it would seem that Curry is going to be better, but with those athletic potential based guys you never know what their upside can be.

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I want both.

I want both.

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Ugh Jay Williams

Man I hate when Jay Williams name comes up, man what could of been. Thought he was going to be the savior of the Bulls until his injury. Oh well, karma came back and helped the bulls. Thank goodness for that 1.7 pecent

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Skill

I'd rather like to know how to get to the other side of the fence in various ways other than just jumping over it.

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Skill wins everytime. Check

Skill wins everytime. Check out your local YMCA if your unsure. Highschool/College kids who get up and down the court and dunk like crazy never quite seem up to beating the cluster of 27-35 year olds who are much more experienced and calm..., not to mention they can actually shoot lol. The older guys tend to make the right play and play within themselves while knowing their limitations. They are also much better at footwork, cerebral skills (like boxing out and screens), team play (less one on one) and deception/misdirection which is a huge part of basketball.

Athleticism is very fragil and fleeting. Diet (ask eddy), injuries (ask grant) and work ethic (ask baron) can all contribute to a nasty and rapid decline of athletic ability at any age. Skills can keep you competitive long after your athleticism has betrayed you and can get you into the game even though you were never much of a leaper.

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Give me a fundamentally sound

Give me a fundamentally sound smooth athlete anyday. Otherwise I say that you take John Wall over Kyrie Irving. Why, just like someone said earlier, all those guys who had 40 inch verts and never did anything of value, more than likely had no work ethic or just no passion for the game. Things come naturally easier for athletes, so those athletes with good worthic 9 times out of 10 will go further than the elitely skilled guy who is usually a below avg defender.

I know by experience that I'm a pretty explosive athlete who even when I had no skill, I had a motor and was ALWAYS able to make SOME sort of an impact. With time I studied the game, and practiced always trying to develop. With time I've become a ballhandling 2 guard in the Wade mold from being a short, short, short center lol.

All it takes is the will to be the best YOU can be. Though I do agree, history usually sees the skill/IQ guys becoming better than the athletes. Less upside, less work to be done, IMO.

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Skill. Because most of the

Skill. Because most of the time you can't teach it. If you could Gereld Green and Harold minor would have been in the NBA longer. Tyrus Thomas would be better as well as Javell Mcgee

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^^^^Disagree. Laziness, and

^^^^Disagree. Laziness, and thinking athleticism alone is enough to make it. That's where the Gerald Green's and Harold Minor's get it wrong. Or injuries.

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Wow, just reread that post.

Wow, just reread that post. Did you really just say you can't teach skill? I believe it is athleticism that you can't teach.

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Athletes can get drafted into

Athletes can get drafted into the NBA for their upside. Skill only guys have a lesser chance of getting drafted because they hardly have any upside. The reason why athletes have more potential is because they can learn what the skilled guys know AND be more athletic. It's more of a project, but it pays off more in the long run over a 4 year sr., "NBA ready" guy who will be nothing more than a medicore player because he can't run or jump with the other players. Very few guys make it off just skill, and the skilled guys in the NBA were really athletic at some point or still are.

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dang i gave people a lot of ups on this one

but yeah the ever debated argument... i would choose the skilled guys because my example would have to be the ever so popular Blake Griffin and lets pit him against say someone like Tim Duncan...

So pretty much all we have seen from Blake is human flight with a couple of moves... so you can say he is pretty much running on his Athletic ability so my argument is what will happen when say he is in his 30's which is a long time from now but can you really imagine Blake in his 30's flying over everyone... Vince Carter? so unless he develops skill and my argument is he doesnt (which im 'just' saying he might... and then again he might not) after his body is done what kinda use will he be?

Tim on the other hand has played the same way every year... Sir Charles already said he is the best PF to have ever played... Even till today Tim is still reguarded as one of the best PF over guys like ZBO, Gasol, Aldridge...

He had the skills to play and skills is what keeps players alive not their athletic ability atleast to references like Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, high flyers like that...

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You're comparing a rookie to

You're comparing a rookie to a 13 year old vet to a rookie. Your argument isn't valid because we don't even know how Blake will play when he's 30. You're just making an invalid assumption because Blake is athleticlly gifted. Guys like Kobe and KG still are good and they were top of the food chain in athleticism when they were young. It's not like the guy is robotic like Dwight, or he has no upside skill wise. He is a pretty skilled guy for his age. Judge him when he has been in the league for at least half of time Duncan's been in.

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Gotta agree with steroid.

Gotta agree with steroid. After I read leftover's reply, Kobe came to mind. Then again, Kobe and KG had/have VERY HIGH baskebtall IQ. That's why they are still so effective now that they've lost most of their athleticism. Basketball IQ falls into skill. I'd still take skill.

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A bit of both is nice, but

A bit of both is nice, but skill is always better, you need people in the game who are thinkers and have a high IQ, your Andre Miller's, Joe Johnson, Wesley Matthews look how he has built his career on skill. Evan Turner is slowly understanding what he has to do with his skill set. Athletiscm is always great to watch and the best players are often athletic but sometimes the most skilful are the ones who make the better careers.

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I don't really see being

I don't really see being skillful equating into basketball IQ. That is a category in itself. I think being skilled has more to do with shooting, footwork, dribbling, fluidity, etc... IQ is something that guys who aren't the best shooters or have good footwork can even have. Rondo has a very high basketball IQ even though he has little shooting skill. "IQ" is just knowing the intricacies of the game or whatever system the player is in and being aware. Anyone, skillful or athletic, can know where to be on the court and how to react to certain situations on the court.

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Kobe and KG are the perfect

Kobe and KG are the perfect example of why to take athletes. IQ can be developed just by watching he game, having a willingness to listen and apply, and IMO it doesn't hurt to be a naturally smart person as things are learned easier, nor is it neccesary(KG the proof of that). Athletes who learn the game can have longer careers as well due to the fact they are usually still above average athletes late into their careers. Examples include Kobe,MJ,Scottie,Garnett,Shaq,Kareem,Rodman,Hill,Malone. Notice that all of these players were top athletes who had high IQ's and managed to all have long careers due to developed skills/knowledge, while being blessed with good run/jump ability,quickness,verticle, and ability to stay in top notch health. I have no problem with players who aren't the best athletes, I just prefer athletes because those who aren't, usually lack defensively or on the boards which is where I think the game is still won.

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it all depends on third

it all depends on third factor, the work ethic...

if the kid is just avg no matter his vertical or speed i would take a skilled man, but if he is working like a horse than athleticism all the way, you can teach jumpshot post moves or driblling but you can't 40inch vert or foot speed, look how different Rose or Griffin are than 2 3 yrs back

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When i meant skilled players,

When i meant skilled players, i meant taking into account IQ as well, my bad.

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I didn;t say all the time i

I didn;t say all the time i said most of the time. There are many more cases i could have put up of guys who were great athletes but never ended up being as good as they could have been skill wise. It has alot to do with the fact that if a player is a great athlete in HS they tend to rely on that most of the time rather than skill

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im just saying right now,,,

@ steroid

clearly you didnt read i said IF he didnt develop i didnt say he wasnt going to develop... obviously anything can happen Blake is only 21 and IF he doesnt develop will he become another Vince Carter or Jason Richardson yea he isnt a SF/SG so he wont be shooting 3's but who knows what he is going to do... You can make a case that both JRich and Carter was way more atheltic then Kobe but do you see them today in Top 5 talks for best player in the league? My arguement is that he doesnt develop pick a side dude dont be riding the middle line saying anything can happen...

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I'll take skill, look at

I'll take skill, look at Duncan and Bird, they were never that athletic but they is still one of the bests ever

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true story

a wise man once said, "you can't coach speed" as well as "speed doesn't slump".....

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