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Assists

Yesterday, my friend and me got in a heated arguement about players and assists. His exact words: "Assists are the most overrated stat in the game!" Thats what started a heated arguement between us and I'm just curious if you guys think assists are an overrated stat in the game. His arguement was nowadays, players take two steps and make so many moves and then players get credited for assists instead of having a basket in stride off a pass (which I guess, holds some truth in certain situations)

Personally, I think assists are NOT an overrated stat. I think its a great barometer that seperates good players from great players. Just one example that comes to mind was Steve Nash and the season he had when he won his first MVP. He made a horrible team into an amazing team and his play making made everyone look good. Right there was enough for me to say that having a player who can get assists is a huge advantage. Just curious on what your thoughts are. ALSO, does anyone think there are any stats that are OVERRATED (I couldn't really think of it expect maybe shooting percentages but I can make an arguement both ways on that haha)


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Assists are not overrated,

Assists are not overrated, but a stat people need to pay more attention to is assist to turnover ratio, the real way to evaluate a players passing effectiveness in a game. Having 10 assists means nothing to me if you also commited 10 turnovers.....

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^ oh yeah, def. bro

You're right. A-to-TO is so overlooked! I should have thought about that when I was trying to make a point yesterday hahaha

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I think steals are somewhat overrated

I think steals are somewhat overrated... Juts becuse you get steals doesnt mean you are good defenders.. some people just take too many risks and get luckya few times. I think a true measurement is FG % your players has... turnovers forced as well... You can force bad passes and so on. Steals don;t get me wrong are good to get if doen the the team concept.

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Steals are overrated in the

Steals are overrated in the same way blocks are overrated... For example, just because Javale Mcgee can get 5 blocks in a game does not mean he is a good post defender. In fact, he is a mediocre overall defender....

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I agree about steals and

I agree about steals and blocks being overrated. Iverson got a lot of steals, but was a terrible defender. Chris Paul gets a lot of steals, and I don't think he's a great defender either.

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cp3

Is a very good defensive player. Not sure what you're talking about.

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He's not that good on

He's not that good on defense. He gambles too much for my liking and it's not like he locks people up on the perimeter. Also he's not very big and bigger guards can push him around.

He's not awful, but I wouldn't say he's a good defensive player.

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He's not a poor defender at

He's not a poor defender at all. I just don't think he's as good as his steal numbers suggest.

There are people, fooled by his steal numbers, thinking he should be first team defense. He's not an All-NBA defender.

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Assists is not an overrated

Assists is not an overrated stat. It indicates a player's court vision and passing ability. If you look at the top 5 all-time assist leaders, I don't think you can say any one of the player is "overrated".

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I didn't mean to say that I

I didn't mean to say that I think he's a bad defender. He's a better defender than a lot of point guards, but as you say, he isn't as good at defense as his steals would suggest.

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CP3 is a great defender

CP3 is a great defender effort wise, he's just damn small and gets worked by the bigger breed of PG's. Steals are the end of a possesion. I dont know how thats overrated. Its better than a block or even a missed FG because rebounds come into the occation then. And most often steal lead directly into transition points. From a team concept how can you say steal are overrated. How player get them has nothing to do with how they effect a game.

The assist is subjective. For example, Rondo is that much better a passer than everyone in the league. The system he runs, with the players he has leads to assists. But high assist totals also means your team is executing well regardless if its off broken plays or not. Again, cumulative assist are a way better team indicator.

Honestly, if you think shooting percentages are overrated... idk what to tell you. You dont get assists if your teammates arent shooting well. If your team shoots 40%, and mine shots 50% I usually win, because thats the rate of scoring! And points win games! Being a good shooter is overrated? Again, this is all subjective. How Derrick Rose gets his assists is different than Nash is different than Rondo is different than Williams, ect ect. The teammates they have, the system they run. How everyone gets their numbers is different, and putting a set value on anything is impossible.

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Steals aren't necesarily

Steals aren't necesarily overrated as a whole. I just think steals and blocks are overrated when determing how good of a defender someone is.

For example... Bruce Bowen. He didn't get many steals or blocks, but we know he was an amazing defender. Karl Malone didn't block a lot of shots, but he was an amazing defender as well. Steals and blocks don't always tell the entire story.

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For example, whose the more

For example, whose the more explosive/better scorer Scottie Pippen or Cuttino Mobley?

Whose the better passer, Jalen Rose or Paul Pierce?

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Indiana I agree with you

Indiana I agree with you 100%.

They don't tell the whole story.

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Dwight Howard gets blocks

But he does not play the pick n roll better than other guys. Garnett is a great defender without getting a lot of Blocks. Blocks are overrated.

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But Howard is different in

But Howard is different in that his shot blocking changes the the other team's offense. Think where the Orlando defense would be without him.

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Stats in general are

Stats in general are overrated.

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Howard is a overrated defender

Stats are overrated I agree.

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the best stat is win

the best stat is win percentage

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I think blocks are a tad over

I think blocks are a tad over rated, but when talking about the elite shot blockers (2-4 bpg guys) they aren't an overrated stat. If the average NBA player shoots 50% then they a player blocking 3 shots a game like D-Howard or Josh Smith is taking away roughly 3 points from the other team. Not to mention players of that caliber alter a hand full more each game because guys don't want to get their shot thrown into the 3rd row. So I think shot blocking for centers and players that do it at an elite level isn't overrated.

That being said, if a guy like D-Wade or Lebron or a young MJ blocks 1.2 shots a game as a shooting guard or small forward it's a bit overrated. It's impressive none the less, because not a lot of guards and even small forwards do it that well, but that kind of shot blocking doesn't really have much of an impact other than a temporary shift in momentum because most of their shot blocks come from fast breaks and running out to get a hand in the face of a 3 point shooter, they don't really change the game like a dominant shot blocker does.

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