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- Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 1:44pm #23157
I May Be WrongParticipantYesterday, my friend and me got in a heated arguement about players and assists. His exact words: "Assists are the most overrated stat in the game!" Thats what started a heated arguement between us and I’m just curious if you guys think assists are an overrated stat in the game. His arguement was nowadays, players take two steps and make so many moves and then players get credited for assists instead of having a basket in stride off a pass (which I guess, holds some truth in certain situations)
Personally, I think assists are NOT an overrated stat. I think its a great barometer that seperates good players from great players. Just one example that comes to mind was Steve Nash and the season he had when he won his first MVP. He made a horrible team into an amazing team and his play making made everyone look good. Right there was enough for me to say that having a player who can get assists is a huge advantage. Just curious on what your thoughts are. ALSO, does anyone think there are any stats that are OVERRATED (I couldn’t really think of it expect maybe shooting percentages but I can make an arguement both ways on that haha)
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:01pm #434582
tyrekeevansParticipantYou Go Girl!!!!! Lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:01pm #434585
tyrekeevansParticipantYou Go Girl!!!!! Lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:01pm #434584
Da1potParticipantAssists are not overrated, but a stat people need to pay more attention to is assist to turnover ratio, the real way to evaluate a players passing effectiveness in a game. Having 10 assists means nothing to me if you also commited 10 turnovers…..
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:01pm #434587
Da1potParticipantAssists are not overrated, but a stat people need to pay more attention to is assist to turnover ratio, the real way to evaluate a players passing effectiveness in a game. Having 10 assists means nothing to me if you also commited 10 turnovers…..
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:08pm #434588
I May Be WrongParticipantYou’re right. A-to-TO is so overlooked! I should have thought about that when I was trying to make a point yesterday hahaha
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:08pm #434591
I May Be WrongParticipantYou’re right. A-to-TO is so overlooked! I should have thought about that when I was trying to make a point yesterday hahaha
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:21pm #434590
bdoody42ParticipantI think steals are somewhat overrated… Juts becuse you get steals doesnt mean you are good defenders.. some people just take too many risks and get luckya few times. I think a true measurement is FG % your players has… turnovers forced as well… You can force bad passes and so on. Steals don;t get me wrong are good to get if doen the the team concept.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:21pm #434593
bdoody42ParticipantI think steals are somewhat overrated… Juts becuse you get steals doesnt mean you are good defenders.. some people just take too many risks and get luckya few times. I think a true measurement is FG % your players has… turnovers forced as well… You can force bad passes and so on. Steals don;t get me wrong are good to get if doen the the team concept.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:27pm #434599
Da1potParticipantSteals are overrated in the same way blocks are overrated… For example, just because Javale Mcgee can get 5 blocks in a game does not mean he is a good post defender. In fact, he is a mediocre overall defender….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:27pm #434600
Da1potParticipantSteals are overrated in the same way blocks are overrated… For example, just because Javale Mcgee can get 5 blocks in a game does not mean he is a good post defender. In fact, he is a mediocre overall defender….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 2:27pm #434614
Da1potParticipantSteals are overrated in the same way blocks are overrated… For example, just because Javale Mcgee can get 5 blocks in a game does not mean he is a good post defender. In fact, he is a mediocre overall defender….
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:51pm #434700
IndianaBasketballParticipantI agree about steals and blocks being overrated. Iverson got a lot of steals, but was a terrible defender. Chris Paul gets a lot of steals, and I don’t think he’s a great defender either.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 3:51pm #434686
IndianaBasketballParticipantI agree about steals and blocks being overrated. Iverson got a lot of steals, but was a terrible defender. Chris Paul gets a lot of steals, and I don’t think he’s a great defender either.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:06pm #434710
gregoden08ParticipantIs a very good defensive player. Not sure what you’re talking about.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:06pm #434723
gregoden08ParticipantIs a very good defensive player. Not sure what you’re talking about.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:08pm #434714
Im Your FatherParticipantHe’s not that good on defense. He gambles too much for my liking and it’s not like he locks people up on the perimeter. Also he’s not very big and bigger guards can push him around.
He’s not awful, but I wouldn’t say he’s a good defensive player.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:08pm #434727
Im Your FatherParticipantHe’s not that good on defense. He gambles too much for my liking and it’s not like he locks people up on the perimeter. Also he’s not very big and bigger guards can push him around.
He’s not awful, but I wouldn’t say he’s a good defensive player.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:13pm #434722
IndianaBasketballParticipantHe’s not a poor defender at all. I just don’t think he’s as good as his steal numbers suggest.
There are people, fooled by his steal numbers, thinking he should be first team defense. He’s not an All-NBA defender.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:13pm #434734
IndianaBasketballParticipantHe’s not a poor defender at all. I just don’t think he’s as good as his steal numbers suggest.
There are people, fooled by his steal numbers, thinking he should be first team defense. He’s not an All-NBA defender.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:14pm #434724
ilike.panochasParticipantAssists is not an overrated stat. It indicates a player’s court vision and passing ability. If you look at the top 5 all-time assist leaders, I don’t think you can say any one of the player is "overrated".
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:14pm #434736
ilike.panochasParticipantAssists is not an overrated stat. It indicates a player’s court vision and passing ability. If you look at the top 5 all-time assist leaders, I don’t think you can say any one of the player is "overrated".
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:19pm #434726
Im Your FatherParticipantI didn’t mean to say that I think he’s a bad defender. He’s a better defender than a lot of point guards, but as you say, he isn’t as good at defense as his steals would suggest.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:19pm #434738
Im Your FatherParticipantI didn’t mean to say that I think he’s a bad defender. He’s a better defender than a lot of point guards, but as you say, he isn’t as good at defense as his steals would suggest.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:58pm #434777
MkadozaParticipantCP3 is a great defender effort wise, he’s just damn small and gets worked by the bigger breed of PG’s. Steals are the end of a possesion. I dont know how thats overrated. Its better than a block or even a missed FG because rebounds come into the occation then. And most often steal lead directly into transition points. From a team concept how can you say steal are overrated. How player get them has nothing to do with how they effect a game.
The assist is subjective. For example, Rondo is that much better a passer than everyone in the league. The system he runs, with the players he has leads to assists. But high assist totals also means your team is executing well regardless if its off broken plays or not. Again, cumulative assist are a way better team indicator.
Honestly, if you think shooting percentages are overrated… idk what to tell you. You dont get assists if your teammates arent shooting well. If your team shoots 40%, and mine shots 50% I usually win, because thats the rate of scoring! And points win games! Being a good shooter is overrated? Again, this is all subjective. How Derrick Rose gets his assists is different than Nash is different than Rondo is different than Williams, ect ect. The teammates they have, the system they run. How everyone gets their numbers is different, and putting a set value on anything is impossible.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 4:58pm #434788
MkadozaParticipantCP3 is a great defender effort wise, he’s just damn small and gets worked by the bigger breed of PG’s. Steals are the end of a possesion. I dont know how thats overrated. Its better than a block or even a missed FG because rebounds come into the occation then. And most often steal lead directly into transition points. From a team concept how can you say steal are overrated. How player get them has nothing to do with how they effect a game.
The assist is subjective. For example, Rondo is that much better a passer than everyone in the league. The system he runs, with the players he has leads to assists. But high assist totals also means your team is executing well regardless if its off broken plays or not. Again, cumulative assist are a way better team indicator.
Honestly, if you think shooting percentages are overrated… idk what to tell you. You dont get assists if your teammates arent shooting well. If your team shoots 40%, and mine shots 50% I usually win, because thats the rate of scoring! And points win games! Being a good shooter is overrated? Again, this is all subjective. How Derrick Rose gets his assists is different than Nash is different than Rondo is different than Williams, ect ect. The teammates they have, the system they run. How everyone gets their numbers is different, and putting a set value on anything is impossible.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:01pm #434783
IndianaBasketballParticipantSteals aren’t necesarily overrated as a whole. I just think steals and blocks are overrated when determing how good of a defender someone is.
For example… Bruce Bowen. He didn’t get many steals or blocks, but we know he was an amazing defender. Karl Malone didn’t block a lot of shots, but he was an amazing defender as well. Steals and blocks don’t always tell the entire story.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:01pm #434794
IndianaBasketballParticipantSteals aren’t necesarily overrated as a whole. I just think steals and blocks are overrated when determing how good of a defender someone is.
For example… Bruce Bowen. He didn’t get many steals or blocks, but we know he was an amazing defender. Karl Malone didn’t block a lot of shots, but he was an amazing defender as well. Steals and blocks don’t always tell the entire story.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:05pm #434787
MkadozaParticipantFor example, whose the more explosive/better scorer Scottie Pippen or Cuttino Mobley?
Whose the better passer, Jalen Rose or Paul Pierce?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:05pm #434798
MkadozaParticipantFor example, whose the more explosive/better scorer Scottie Pippen or Cuttino Mobley?
Whose the better passer, Jalen Rose or Paul Pierce?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:06pm #434789
MkadozaParticipantIndiana I agree with you 100%.
They don’t tell the whole story.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 5:06pm #434800
MkadozaParticipantIndiana I agree with you 100%.
They don’t tell the whole story.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 9:23pm #435000
Meditated StatesParticipantBut he does not play the pick n roll better than other guys. Garnett is a great defender without getting a lot of Blocks. Blocks are overrated.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/14/2010 - 9:23pm #435009
Meditated StatesParticipantBut he does not play the pick n roll better than other guys. Garnett is a great defender without getting a lot of Blocks. Blocks are overrated.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 3:01am #435030
Im Your FatherParticipantBut Howard is different in that his shot blocking changes the the other team’s offense. Think where the Orlando defense would be without him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 3:01am #435039
Im Your FatherParticipantBut Howard is different in that his shot blocking changes the the other team’s offense. Think where the Orlando defense would be without him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 3:37am #435034
M-DYMESParticipantStats in general are overrated.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 3:37am #435043
M-DYMESParticipantStats in general are overrated.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 4:13am #435042
Meditated StatesParticipantStats are overrated I agree.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 4:13am #435051
Meditated StatesParticipantStats are overrated I agree.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:06am #435068
Mr. JewboyParticipantthe best stat is win percentage
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 5:06am #435077
Mr. JewboyParticipantthe best stat is win percentage
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 8:05am #435112
JoeWolf1I think blocks are a tad over rated, but when talking about the elite shot blockers (2-4 bpg guys) they aren’t an overrated stat. If the average NBA player shoots 50% then they a player blocking 3 shots a game like D-Howard or Josh Smith is taking away roughly 3 points from the other team. Not to mention players of that caliber alter a hand full more each game because guys don’t want to get their shot thrown into the 3rd row. So I think shot blocking for centers and players that do it at an elite level isn’t overrated.
That being said, if a guy like D-Wade or Lebron or a young MJ blocks 1.2 shots a game as a shooting guard or small forward it’s a bit overrated. It’s impressive none the less, because not a lot of guards and even small forwards do it that well, but that kind of shot blocking doesn’t really have much of an impact other than a temporary shift in momentum because most of their shot blocks come from fast breaks and running out to get a hand in the face of a 3 point shooter, they don’t really change the game like a dominant shot blocker does.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/15/2010 - 8:05am #435121
JoeWolf1I think blocks are a tad over rated, but when talking about the elite shot blockers (2-4 bpg guys) they aren’t an overrated stat. If the average NBA player shoots 50% then they a player blocking 3 shots a game like D-Howard or Josh Smith is taking away roughly 3 points from the other team. Not to mention players of that caliber alter a hand full more each game because guys don’t want to get their shot thrown into the 3rd row. So I think shot blocking for centers and players that do it at an elite level isn’t overrated.
That being said, if a guy like D-Wade or Lebron or a young MJ blocks 1.2 shots a game as a shooting guard or small forward it’s a bit overrated. It’s impressive none the less, because not a lot of guards and even small forwards do it that well, but that kind of shot blocking doesn’t really have much of an impact other than a temporary shift in momentum because most of their shot blocks come from fast breaks and running out to get a hand in the face of a 3 point shooter, they don’t really change the game like a dominant shot blocker does.
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