Are we overanalysing Randle?
Randle this year has probably faced more scrutiny than anyone other than Wiggins this year, and I was thinking that maybe analysts are reading too deep into his flaws currently. His game definitely has holes in but when you examine them in context they may well be overstated, for example:
-One of the main concerns with Randle is his turnovers but he is facing double / triple teams every game, this definitely won't be the same when he turns pro.
-His lack of elite length is also an often talked about concern but when you look at players like David Lee and Blake Griffin it is clear that short arms aren't a deal breaker on offense at least.
-His defensive abilities are probably what worries me the most since he's got no awareness on that end and his length really will be an issue on D, but were he to be placed along side a rim protecting big this would easily limit his negative impact on the interior, and he has the quickness to guard most bigs on the perimeter.
People often compare Randle to Vonleh and while Vonleh definitely has the stronger frame people are quick to say 'Vonleh has more upside' which may technically be true, but Randle has a much more varied offensive skillset with all star upside, but I find it difficult to see Vonleh ever becoming a go to guy on offense.
Vonleh has a stronger frame???
what are you talking about..Julius has phenomenal physique.. he will be one of the if not THE strongest PF in the game in 5years..he measured 248lbs last year and he seemed actually pretty skinny and leaner than Vonleh( you can see it especially in his video dunkconstest with Marcus Smart wheren Julius was with a shirt off, it looked like he just has a HUUUGE frame but he still can gaing 15-20pounds easily) ..
plus lbs and how you looks don't tell the whole story..he sometimes looks even stornger than that..especially when you see that those ''college monster'' Harrell , Patrick young or even Paynee can't stand in front of him at all..
I guess that wasn't particularly well expressed, what I meant was Vonleh has a more stereotypical NBA frame for a PF than Randle. At 6'10" and really lanky, GMs would usually take that over a really strong 6'9" guy with short arms. But yeah, in terms of actual strength Randle's just a monster compared to Randle who's a bit spindly.
I don't think Vonleh is 6'10 either actually. He does have a long wingspand, but his legs are short relatively to the rest of his body.
Height, reach - those are the only negatives I keep hearing. Aside from that physical stuff he's been a consistent double-double guy who has played a large part in his team being in the finals.
Short arms - it isn't an apple picking contest and not everyone has to be a shot-blocker. Will be interesting to see how he measures out at the combine - is he 6-8 ? 6-10 > Same with Gary Harris - is he 6-3 or 6-5.
Randle is going to be very good and how he ever dropped out of the Top 5 is beyond me. I went to IU and I think Vonleh is kind of soft and ordinary and Exum - I've never seen play. Like Cousins - pass on him at your own risk
Totally agree. Size and length is important but some guys just know how to use their physical abilities to the max. Randle looks like one of those guys to me. If you look back at guys like Barkley and Rodman no one would believe how many rebounds both those guys would bring down a night if you based it just on their height and length.
Barkley was one of my all time favorites. Can you imagine today if he was coming out as a 6-5 or 6-6 fat power forward - he'd be crucified by analysts
Exactly, and for everybody who touts Vonlehs impressive wingspan his standing reach (matters more in the post) is only a half inch bigger than Randles. And Aaron Gordon has them both beat. Wingspan matters on the perimeter when you are playing passing lanes and such... standing reach matters where these guys are playing, in the post and Randle is just not far off from Vonleh in that regard.
I tend to agree with your overall premise, but I will say, Randle has been very very steady in this tournament, but hasn't had that "wow" game where everyone remembers how great he is. He's just been a cog for Kentucky and I think if he had one of those 25-15 games, people would stop doubting him.
I think Randle could be Amare type player and level, really big time upside as scorer...
He has without a doubt been overanalyzed, the kid is going to become a star. He probably will never be a great defender, but he should be able to improve. His post game, footwork, and ball handling are all advanced for a big man. He can also has a good looking stroke and can hit the midrange/3pt jumper (even though he has not shot much from the outside this year). I really feel he has the potential to be a 25-12reb-3ast kind of player in his prime. Ontop of that, Randle has the body of a beast which helps him out in the post. I feel that he should be a top 4 lock.
i agree somewhat. Wiggins has been picked apart the same amount or even more imo.
but yes, Randles flaws are being spoken about more than his gifts. i may say though, when i see him on the court i have a werid feeling that he's 6'8. the combine measurements will be huge. if he measures out under 6'9, he will be picked apart even more.
i love Randles motor. he wants every rebound and has an agressive scorers mentality. he has the alpha dog mindset.
Every time they have switch and put him on a guard, he has done well keeping them in front of him. He even gets a hand up... I've seen major progression in his defensive game over the season... He's not lost on D at all...
Vonleh is the prototypical NBA PF that scouts love so much... Haven't seen any player get doubled and tripled teamed as much as Randle does... Somebody said he needs to have a monster game??? I disagree, UK has a hard time getting the ball in the low post and when they do, he gets doubled. Having 15 points is a monster game for him because he doesn't get a lot of touches. Vonleh is so overrated to me, because it's so many guys that come in the league that look like him... He has a soft/laid back demeanor, I just don't see the "it" factor... Randle has that...
We totally are. This dude is a stud, no brainer top 3 guy that I'd take number 1 in a lot of drafts. To me, the 4 has always been Parker, Randle, Wiggins, Embiid. He is absolutely in the tier of those other guys IMO. He might have the highest floor of the 4. Randle is a guaranteed baller, already NBA ready on both ends of the floor IMO. I just don't see whats not to like. He already has range. Explosive quickness at his size mixed a promising dribble drive game. Great touch, Motor, toughness. Don't have to teach him to dominate, he knows.
He has a great comobination of Zach Randolph, Paul Milsap, Larry Johnson attributes to me. I think he would fit in pretty much any style and will be a starter for almost his entire career.
Absolute best case basic stats imo:
Randle: 25 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 0.8-1 block [with average d]
Vonleh: 20 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks [with great help d and good overall d]
These types of predictions dont mean much but whatever.... Especially since its highly unlikely they fulfill their potential to the fullest.