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  • #25848
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Are these players franchise players?  Or could they potentially be franchise players later in their career?

    Blake Griffin

    Russell Westbrook

    Monta Ellis

    Rudy Gay

    Brandon Roy

    LaMarcus Aldridge

    Tyreke Evans

    Kevin Martin

    Michael Beasley

    Kevin Love

    Al Jefferson

    Andrew Bynum

    Rajon Rondo

    Andre Iguoadala

    Gerald Wallace

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  • #490324
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    omphalos
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    Of course, these are just my opinions, but this is how I would call it.

    Blake Griffin; I think this one is obvious, but he needs to pick up his D to really make the Clippers successful, and also continue to improve his jump-shooting.

    Russell Westbrook; not unless he leaves OKC, because Durant fills that role and it’s too hard to call without seeing him by himself.

    Monta Ellis; nope, too much of a defensive liability and even in one of his best seasons the Warriors are out of the playoff picture. Yes, the West is tough, but legitimate franchise players overcome those sorts of obstacles.

    Rudy Gay; This is tough, but yes. He seems to be earning that contract this season and in my opinion should have been an All-Star. He has shown a killer instinct down the stretch and has led Memphis to victory against a number of clutch opponents. When they sort out their problems at SG they’ll be good to go.

    Brandon Roy; too injury prone, he was when he was younger, but never really got the chance to lead the healthy Blazers.

    LaMarcus Aldridge; Yes, he has shown the ability to elevate his game with Roy out and has accepted the burden of being the first option. He’s finally in the right situation and we might get to see the potential that made him such a high draft pick.

    Tyreke Evans; Yes, he’s shown a killer instinct, but needs to reconcile with Demarcus Cousins and improve his decision making. That said, he has the right size, skills and upside remaining to be the best SG of this new generation. A quality PG would help, but I see no reason why Evans can’t Reke havoc (couldn’t resist).

    Kevin Martin; Nope. Not a good enough defender, volume shooter, and is too far into his career to make that leap.

    Michael Beasley; Yes. He can improve defensively with his length and again, has that killer instinct. He needs better coaching and to be officially recognised as first option over Love, but sure, I think he could be.

    Kevin Love; Nope. Bad defender, too friendly with the media and willing to complain publicly. Franchise players should just take it. Yes, he’s a good defender, but I think the dude is overrated and Beasley is a better fit.

    Al Jefferson; Nope, even with Deron Williams at his side hasn’t shown the ability to dominate and the Jazz have taken a backwards step. Let me put it this way, if Jefferson was a franchise player, Sloan wouldn’t have left.

    Andrew Bynum; Health is the only thing stopping him in my opinion, he’s a solid defender, dominant inside and would be even better if he was on the court long enough to advance his game more, but unfortunately, I don’t see that happening.

    Rajon Rondo; he’s my favourite player, but no, I don’t think he’s a franchise talent. He’s too pure a PG and his shooting is too weak for Rondo to be the guy who takes over a game with his scoring when need be. That said, I think he is the perfect partner for a dominant wing or power forward, because he is an expert of running a team with stars.

    Andre Iguoadala; I think we can all see the answer is no by now. He’s never been comfortable as the go-to guy and is ideally suited as the number 2 guy who locks people down defensively. Jack of all trades, master of none.

    Gerald Wallace; again, like Iguodala I think he’s the perfect second banana, but doesn’t have that wow factor that a franchise player requires. If MJ can bring in the right partner, the Bobcats could go somewhere, but not with Wallace at the helm.

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  • #490376
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    omphalos
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    Of course, these are just my opinions, but this is how I would call it.

    Blake Griffin; I think this one is obvious, but he needs to pick up his D to really make the Clippers successful, and also continue to improve his jump-shooting.

    Russell Westbrook; not unless he leaves OKC, because Durant fills that role and it’s too hard to call without seeing him by himself.

    Monta Ellis; nope, too much of a defensive liability and even in one of his best seasons the Warriors are out of the playoff picture. Yes, the West is tough, but legitimate franchise players overcome those sorts of obstacles.

    Rudy Gay; This is tough, but yes. He seems to be earning that contract this season and in my opinion should have been an All-Star. He has shown a killer instinct down the stretch and has led Memphis to victory against a number of clutch opponents. When they sort out their problems at SG they’ll be good to go.

    Brandon Roy; too injury prone, he was when he was younger, but never really got the chance to lead the healthy Blazers.

    LaMarcus Aldridge; Yes, he has shown the ability to elevate his game with Roy out and has accepted the burden of being the first option. He’s finally in the right situation and we might get to see the potential that made him such a high draft pick.

    Tyreke Evans; Yes, he’s shown a killer instinct, but needs to reconcile with Demarcus Cousins and improve his decision making. That said, he has the right size, skills and upside remaining to be the best SG of this new generation. A quality PG would help, but I see no reason why Evans can’t Reke havoc (couldn’t resist).

    Kevin Martin; Nope. Not a good enough defender, volume shooter, and is too far into his career to make that leap.

    Michael Beasley; Yes. He can improve defensively with his length and again, has that killer instinct. He needs better coaching and to be officially recognised as first option over Love, but sure, I think he could be.

    Kevin Love; Nope. Bad defender, too friendly with the media and willing to complain publicly. Franchise players should just take it. Yes, he’s a good defender, but I think the dude is overrated and Beasley is a better fit.

    Al Jefferson; Nope, even with Deron Williams at his side hasn’t shown the ability to dominate and the Jazz have taken a backwards step. Let me put it this way, if Jefferson was a franchise player, Sloan wouldn’t have left.

    Andrew Bynum; Health is the only thing stopping him in my opinion, he’s a solid defender, dominant inside and would be even better if he was on the court long enough to advance his game more, but unfortunately, I don’t see that happening.

    Rajon Rondo; he’s my favourite player, but no, I don’t think he’s a franchise talent. He’s too pure a PG and his shooting is too weak for Rondo to be the guy who takes over a game with his scoring when need be. That said, I think he is the perfect partner for a dominant wing or power forward, because he is an expert of running a team with stars.

    Andre Iguoadala; I think we can all see the answer is no by now. He’s never been comfortable as the go-to guy and is ideally suited as the number 2 guy who locks people down defensively. Jack of all trades, master of none.

    Gerald Wallace; again, like Iguodala I think he’s the perfect second banana, but doesn’t have that wow factor that a franchise player requires. If MJ can bring in the right partner, the Bobcats could go somewhere, but not with Wallace at the helm.

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  • #490327
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    The definition of a Franchise player that I most like is a guy who at his peak is an All Star nearly every year and is in contention for one of the All NBA teams eg first,second or third or defensive team as well as being on a side that is in some sort of contention eg makes the play offs more often than not.

    Blake Griffin – will become a Franchise player within a couple of years.

    Russell Westbrook – has the potential to get there in due course.

    Monta Ellis – is a prolific scorer but team doesn’t win enough and he is further down his career than other guys.

    Rudy Gay – another good scorer more a potential All Star than a Franchise player.

    Brandon Roy – Was a Franchise player pre-injury.

    LaMarcus Aldridge – Having a great season but All Star snub counts against him.

    Tyreke Evans – Has the potential to become one long term.

    Kevin Martin – All Star level is his ceiling

    Michael Beasley – Good scorer possible borderline All Star long term

    Kevin Love – Great stats filler, but team needs to win more, will make several All Star games

    Al Jefferson – Good complimentary starter/scorer

    Andrew Bynum – Could reach Franchise Level but most likely peaks as an All Star

    Rajon Rondo – Probably nearer to Franchise Level than anyone else on this list at the moment

    Andre Iguoadala – Complimentary starter/borderline All Star

    Gerald Wallace – Very good complimentary starter

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  • #490378
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    The definition of a Franchise player that I most like is a guy who at his peak is an All Star nearly every year and is in contention for one of the All NBA teams eg first,second or third or defensive team as well as being on a side that is in some sort of contention eg makes the play offs more often than not.

    Blake Griffin – will become a Franchise player within a couple of years.

    Russell Westbrook – has the potential to get there in due course.

    Monta Ellis – is a prolific scorer but team doesn’t win enough and he is further down his career than other guys.

    Rudy Gay – another good scorer more a potential All Star than a Franchise player.

    Brandon Roy – Was a Franchise player pre-injury.

    LaMarcus Aldridge – Having a great season but All Star snub counts against him.

    Tyreke Evans – Has the potential to become one long term.

    Kevin Martin – All Star level is his ceiling

    Michael Beasley – Good scorer possible borderline All Star long term

    Kevin Love – Great stats filler, but team needs to win more, will make several All Star games

    Al Jefferson – Good complimentary starter/scorer

    Andrew Bynum – Could reach Franchise Level but most likely peaks as an All Star

    Rajon Rondo – Probably nearer to Franchise Level than anyone else on this list at the moment

    Andre Iguoadala – Complimentary starter/borderline All Star

    Gerald Wallace – Very good complimentary starter

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  • #490337
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    Meditated States
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    Only guys who will make everyone on the team look better than they are.

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  • #490388
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    Meditated States
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    Only guys who will make everyone on the team look better than they are.

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  • #490412
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    Hale
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    Blake Griffin. Maybe Russell Westbrook. I don’t think anyone else is even really close.

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  • #490461
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    Hale
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    Blake Griffin. Maybe Russell Westbrook. I don’t think anyone else is even really close.

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  • #490428
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    sammybuckeye13
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    Is Blake Griffin a franchise player? Is that a question?

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  • #490477
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    sammybuckeye13
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    Is Blake Griffin a franchise player? Is that a question?

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  • #490535
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    Kayjay
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    Your franchise player should be a person you can build your team around right? If so, you should take Al Jefferson, Andrew Bynum and arguably Kevin Martin seeing as how the Kings already tried to build around him.

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  • #490486
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    Kayjay
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    Your franchise player should be a person you can build your team around right? If so, you should take Al Jefferson, Andrew Bynum and arguably Kevin Martin seeing as how the Kings already tried to build around him.

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  • #490591
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    Blake Griffin-Absolutely. Could be a 28-14-5 guy. If that isn’t a franchise guy, then I don’t what is.

    Russell Westbrook-He’s close, but unless he develops a better jumper, I think he will always be best-suited as a top-of-the-line #2 option.

    Monta Ellis-I wouldn’t say he’s a ‘franchise’ guy, because I don’t think he’s really a two-way player, and the GS system really pads a lot of his numbers (although he would be a bonafide scorer anywhere). I would have no qualms with him being my #1 scoring option on an otherwise strong defensive team.

    Rudy Gay-He’s another one of those fringe Franchise guys. I don’t think you could build a team around him and win, but he could be a really good #2 or great #3 on a championship team

    Brandon Roy- He had the potential to be, but his knees have gone to hell. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if he’ll ever be able to even be an 15+ PPG guy anymore.

    LaMarcus Aldridge-Another fringe type guy. Pair him with a star perimeter player and a good defensive center, and you’re well on your way to a championship contender.

    Tyreke Evans-Not unless he matures a ton. Not a leader, low BBIQ (basketball IQ), ball-pounder/kills offensive cohesiveness. Terrific talent, but all that will mean is big stats with low win totals unless he either changes, or his role gets reduced while other better TEAM players come in.

    Kevin Martin- No way is he a franchise guy. Dynamic scorer, but provides too little in terms of getting teammates involved and plays matador defense/has the ability to get dominated/destroyed/ by the corpse of Peja in the post.

    Michael Beasley- I don’t think he’ll really ever be a top factor on a winning team. I’m not saying he isn’t extremely talented, and he could prove me wrong if he gets on a strong defensive team with a very smart PG and allows him to be the #1 scorer. Would take too many other players around him to consider him a franchise guy.

    Kevin Love- Oof…I’m torn on this one. In terms of fantasy basketball, he’s pretty close to a franchise guy, but in real life, I’m not sure if he is. His lack of pure athleticism hurts him, but he is one of the most skilled bigs in the game, and rebounds like nobody’s business. I think I’ll say that he is one, despite his shortcomings on D.

    Al Jefferson- Nope. Currently a #3 option on a 45 win team, and I think he’s basically topped out.

    Andrew Bynum- If he could ever stay healthy/consistent. When he is on and playing effective on both sides of the court, the Lakers are nearly impossible to beat, regardless of showings by Pau and Lamar, and to some extent even Kobe. If he was the star of a team and stayed healthy enough to average 33-35 MPG, I think he could be a 17-11 guy with a couple of blocks per game that would be an anchor on both ends of the floor. However, the odds of him staying healthy for two straight months, let alone a full season are slim.

    Rajon Rondo- If he can develop a consistent jumper, which after 5 NBA seasons he has yet to even come close to doing, then he will be because of his insane athleticism, defesnse, ability to finish around the rim, and court vision. However, I feel he will always require to be on a team with a fair amount of other scoring talent because of his inability to shoot effectively.

    Andre Iguoadala- No, but could be a nice "Scottie Pippen lite" piece to a championship puzzle with his ability to pass, defend, rebound, and basically do everything except drop the consistent big points.

    Gerald Wallace- Another really good role player, but is more of a Shawn Marion type that just kind of cleans up on O and provides really solid D. You won’t contend trying to build around him, but pair him with a good post scorer and perimeter scorer, and you’re well on your way.

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  • #490639
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    eric palmer
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    Blake Griffin-Absolutely. Could be a 28-14-5 guy. If that isn’t a franchise guy, then I don’t what is.

    Russell Westbrook-He’s close, but unless he develops a better jumper, I think he will always be best-suited as a top-of-the-line #2 option.

    Monta Ellis-I wouldn’t say he’s a ‘franchise’ guy, because I don’t think he’s really a two-way player, and the GS system really pads a lot of his numbers (although he would be a bonafide scorer anywhere). I would have no qualms with him being my #1 scoring option on an otherwise strong defensive team.

    Rudy Gay-He’s another one of those fringe Franchise guys. I don’t think you could build a team around him and win, but he could be a really good #2 or great #3 on a championship team

    Brandon Roy- He had the potential to be, but his knees have gone to hell. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if he’ll ever be able to even be an 15+ PPG guy anymore.

    LaMarcus Aldridge-Another fringe type guy. Pair him with a star perimeter player and a good defensive center, and you’re well on your way to a championship contender.

    Tyreke Evans-Not unless he matures a ton. Not a leader, low BBIQ (basketball IQ), ball-pounder/kills offensive cohesiveness. Terrific talent, but all that will mean is big stats with low win totals unless he either changes, or his role gets reduced while other better TEAM players come in.

    Kevin Martin- No way is he a franchise guy. Dynamic scorer, but provides too little in terms of getting teammates involved and plays matador defense/has the ability to get dominated/destroyed/ by the corpse of Peja in the post.

    Michael Beasley- I don’t think he’ll really ever be a top factor on a winning team. I’m not saying he isn’t extremely talented, and he could prove me wrong if he gets on a strong defensive team with a very smart PG and allows him to be the #1 scorer. Would take too many other players around him to consider him a franchise guy.

    Kevin Love- Oof…I’m torn on this one. In terms of fantasy basketball, he’s pretty close to a franchise guy, but in real life, I’m not sure if he is. His lack of pure athleticism hurts him, but he is one of the most skilled bigs in the game, and rebounds like nobody’s business. I think I’ll say that he is one, despite his shortcomings on D.

    Al Jefferson- Nope. Currently a #3 option on a 45 win team, and I think he’s basically topped out.

    Andrew Bynum- If he could ever stay healthy/consistent. When he is on and playing effective on both sides of the court, the Lakers are nearly impossible to beat, regardless of showings by Pau and Lamar, and to some extent even Kobe. If he was the star of a team and stayed healthy enough to average 33-35 MPG, I think he could be a 17-11 guy with a couple of blocks per game that would be an anchor on both ends of the floor. However, the odds of him staying healthy for two straight months, let alone a full season are slim.

    Rajon Rondo- If he can develop a consistent jumper, which after 5 NBA seasons he has yet to even come close to doing, then he will be because of his insane athleticism, defesnse, ability to finish around the rim, and court vision. However, I feel he will always require to be on a team with a fair amount of other scoring talent because of his inability to shoot effectively.

    Andre Iguoadala- No, but could be a nice "Scottie Pippen lite" piece to a championship puzzle with his ability to pass, defend, rebound, and basically do everything except drop the consistent big points.

    Gerald Wallace- Another really good role player, but is more of a Shawn Marion type that just kind of cleans up on O and provides really solid D. You won’t contend trying to build around him, but pair him with a good post scorer and perimeter scorer, and you’re well on your way.

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  • #490668
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    IndianaBasketball
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    No to everyone on the list, except Blake Griffin.

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    IndianaBasketball
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    No to everyone on the list, except Blake Griffin.

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  • #490702
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    mgreener_34
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     "Kevin Martin seeing as how the Kings already tried to build around him."

    And how did that work out for them?

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  • #490750
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    mgreener_34
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     "Kevin Martin seeing as how the Kings already tried to build around him."

    And how did that work out for them?

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  • #490757
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    BigD
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    Blake Griffin- Yes, that shouldn’t even be a question.

    Russell Westbrook- Possibly, but he’s more suited to being the 2nd star player. Possibly the best 2nd option in the league?

    Monta Ellis- No, for a championship team he needs a big man where he can serve as the 2nd punch.

    Rudy Gay- Not on a good playoff team

    Brandon Roy- He was a franchise guy

    LaMarcus Aldridge- He has shown he can be a franchise player yes, and he is currently doing so.

    Tyreke Evans- Better served as that 2nd punch to a big man, ala Cousins for example.

    Kevin Martin- No where near close, doesn’t play any D.

    Michael Beasley- Potentially he could be, right now, no.

    Kevin Love- Not excactly, he’s more suited to being that 2nd or 3rd piece to the puzzle.

    Al Jefferson- No, too inconsistent

    Andrew Bynum- No, not durable enough

    Rajon Rondo- Potentially, if he got that jumpshot which is much needed

    Andre Iguoadala- No, just a very good 2nd punch

    Gerald Wallace- Not a franchise guy, but a 2nd or 3rd, certainly.

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  • #490804
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    Blake Griffin- Yes, that shouldn’t even be a question.

    Russell Westbrook- Possibly, but he’s more suited to being the 2nd star player. Possibly the best 2nd option in the league?

    Monta Ellis- No, for a championship team he needs a big man where he can serve as the 2nd punch.

    Rudy Gay- Not on a good playoff team

    Brandon Roy- He was a franchise guy

    LaMarcus Aldridge- He has shown he can be a franchise player yes, and he is currently doing so.

    Tyreke Evans- Better served as that 2nd punch to a big man, ala Cousins for example.

    Kevin Martin- No where near close, doesn’t play any D.

    Michael Beasley- Potentially he could be, right now, no.

    Kevin Love- Not excactly, he’s more suited to being that 2nd or 3rd piece to the puzzle.

    Al Jefferson- No, too inconsistent

    Andrew Bynum- No, not durable enough

    Rajon Rondo- Potentially, if he got that jumpshot which is much needed

    Andre Iguoadala- No, just a very good 2nd punch

    Gerald Wallace- Not a franchise guy, but a 2nd or 3rd, certainly.

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