[festar35Participant]

I honestly belief the window is all but shut on this Pacers squad and competing for a Championship. My question is what (if any) big changes do you see happening?

I really feel Indiana could benefit from building around Paul George and finding personal that fit with him. A scoring SG and a passing PG would be nice.

The big thing is a consistent post-scorer, I feel Paul George will continue to average 20-23ppg over next 4-5years it is up to the front office to get the right guys around him.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

looks like it. team got worse as the season went along and stumbled all the way til the ECF.

they took this Heat team to 7 games last year, and the most i see it going this year is 6.

a clear regression from last year. 

Lance might walk and Hibbert may be on the move. either way,somthing has to be done.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

looks like it. team got worse as the season went along and stumbled all the way til the ECF.

they took this Heat team to 7 games last year, and the most i see it going this year is 6.

a clear regression from last year. 

Lance might walk and Hibbert may be on the move. either way,somthing has to be done.

[festar35Participant]

I see a lot of Paul Pierce in Paul George. If you look at Pierces numbers you will see he has never been an efficient scorer but he still put up 20+ a game. The big thing is can George become clutch and step up in big games like Pierce has done throughout his career.

[festar35Participant]

I see a lot of Paul Pierce in Paul George. If you look at Pierces numbers you will see he has never been an efficient scorer but he still put up 20+ a game. The big thing is can George become clutch and step up in big games like Pierce has done throughout his career.

[WetalkinboutpracticeParticipant]

 He may not be the x’s & o’s guy that Vogul is, but the guy is a leader of men who could the team could relate too in addition to lighting a fire underneath and unifying a group of guys who seem to be  missing that "it" factor  along with (at least from the outside) don’t seem to be playing for each other. There has to be a certain level of selflessness to compete with and to defeat more talented teams and the Pacers just don’t seem to have it, at least from the outside looking in.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

lol oh please, Mark is not a good coach. 

a glorfied motivational speaker.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

lol oh please, Mark is not a good coach. 

a glorfied motivational speaker.

[WetalkinboutpracticeParticipant]

 He may not be the x’s & o’s guy that Vogul is, but the guy is a leader of men who could the team could relate too in addition to lighting a fire underneath and unifying a group of guys who seem to be  missing that "it" factor  along with (at least from the outside) don’t seem to be playing for each other. There has to be a certain level of selflessness to compete with and to defeat more talented teams and the Pacers just don’t seem to have it, at least from the outside looking in.

[Sewok15Participant]

Well West is under contract for 2 more years at 12 million per season and he will be 35 by the time his deal is done. He is a solid player and a good leader for them but you could probably get a younger player to average 14 and 7 for half that price. Milsap was averaged 18 and 8 in ATL after just signing for 9.5 per season.

Lance is a nice player but he isn’t always in the game mentally and will likely get a big deal the Pacers won’t match. Hill is a spot up shooter at PG…they need more of a playmaker that can get into the paint especially if they lose Lance (Turner is not that guy.) Hibbert isn’t likely going anywhere with his 30 million owed over the next two years. It isn’t looking good for the Pacers chances that is for sure.

They can’t just blow it all up and build around George because their current roster mixed with the fact George would likely leave the first chance he gets if they aren’t a threat to win. Big name free agents aren’t going to sign in Indy so really it looks like they are stuck in no mans land the next few years. Maybe they will still be the 2nd best team in the East but the chances they can beat Miami are slim…unless LeBron leaves (which won’t happen.)

[Sewok15Participant]

Well West is under contract for 2 more years at 12 million per season and he will be 35 by the time his deal is done. He is a solid player and a good leader for them but you could probably get a younger player to average 14 and 7 for half that price. Milsap was averaged 18 and 8 in ATL after just signing for 9.5 per season.

Lance is a nice player but he isn’t always in the game mentally and will likely get a big deal the Pacers won’t match. Hill is a spot up shooter at PG…they need more of a playmaker that can get into the paint especially if they lose Lance (Turner is not that guy.) Hibbert isn’t likely going anywhere with his 30 million owed over the next two years. It isn’t looking good for the Pacers chances that is for sure.

They can’t just blow it all up and build around George because their current roster mixed with the fact George would likely leave the first chance he gets if they aren’t a threat to win. Big name free agents aren’t going to sign in Indy so really it looks like they are stuck in no mans land the next few years. Maybe they will still be the 2nd best team in the East but the chances they can beat Miami are slim…unless LeBron leaves (which won’t happen.)

[Winning_TimeParticipant]

 But yes changes are needed.

If the Heat’s big 3 stick together, Hibbert and the Pacers scheme is a real casualty. The small ball is killing them. They need to switch to a sort of offense where Paul George is more of a point forward and the offense runs faster and moves the ball more. Too many times tonight we saw the Pacers use about 40% of the court for their offense. Looking torwars the offseason, I think they should actually let go of most of their core. Stephenson is not worth the money in my opinion. They should deal Hibbert or Hill (preferably both but more so Hibbert) on draft night and draft a guard who attacks the basket (Marcus Smart perhaps) and acquire/draft a more atheletic big. I think this group overachieved together but are not a legitimate threat to win a title with this core.

 

[Sewok15Participant]

Would anybody want Hibbert for 15 million a year for the next two years. I know he was just 1st team all Defense team last season but it looks like he lost it. Teams know they just need to pull him out of the paint and he is useless on defense. On offense he isn’t all that consistent as evidence by averaging 17 a game the first 3 games and putting up 0 tonight.

Good big guys are hard to come by but after this playoff run I don’t know how many teams would be willing to take a chance on Roy for 30 million dollars. Maybe Portland considering they were crazy enough to be the ones who offered him that contract in the first place…resulting in Indy matching.

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

Not going to happen, Robin Lopez is here now and he is producing better than Hibbert for a 1/3 of the price. Portland’s starter are fine the bench not so much.

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

Not going to happen, Robin Lopez is here now and he is producing better than Hibbert for a 1/3 of the price. Portland’s starter are fine the bench not so much.

[Sewok15Participant]

Would anybody want Hibbert for 15 million a year for the next two years. I know he was just 1st team all Defense team last season but it looks like he lost it. Teams know they just need to pull him out of the paint and he is useless on defense. On offense he isn’t all that consistent as evidence by averaging 17 a game the first 3 games and putting up 0 tonight.

Good big guys are hard to come by but after this playoff run I don’t know how many teams would be willing to take a chance on Roy for 30 million dollars. Maybe Portland considering they were crazy enough to be the ones who offered him that contract in the first place…resulting in Indy matching.

[Winning_TimeParticipant]

 But yes changes are needed.

If the Heat’s big 3 stick together, Hibbert and the Pacers scheme is a real casualty. The small ball is killing them. They need to switch to a sort of offense where Paul George is more of a point forward and the offense runs faster and moves the ball more. Too many times tonight we saw the Pacers use about 40% of the court for their offense. Looking torwars the offseason, I think they should actually let go of most of their core. Stephenson is not worth the money in my opinion. They should deal Hibbert or Hill (preferably both but more so Hibbert) on draft night and draft a guard who attacks the basket (Marcus Smart perhaps) and acquire/draft a more atheletic big. I think this group overachieved together but are not a legitimate threat to win a title with this core.

 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Here are my major issues with the Pacers.

 

First, they really struggle to score.  Stagnant offense, no great playmakers.  I love Paul George and he’s really become a great player, but he isn’t a #1 option on a championship team.  Unless it’s a team like the mid 00’s with the Pistons.  Stephenson is a solid playmaker, but he isn’t someone you really want handling the ball and running sets through on a consistent basis.  They really struggle to put the ball in the bucket far too often.

 

Next, PG play.  George Hill isn’t really a true PG.  He’s a combo guard who I think is better suited as the first guard off the bench.  He doesn’t have great vision and really doesn’t make his teammates around him better.  They need a true PG who can create offense by finding open guys.

 

Lastly, turnovers.  I don’t know what it is about this team, but they make so many poor passes/decisions that lead to turnovers.  Not sure if it’s just their players, or if Vogel is somewhat to blame.  But the turnover issue needs to be addressed, either by new players or Vogel getting on these guys to make better decisions.

 

I think the Pacers are close, they just need the above issues addressed.  It’s much easier said than done though.

 

 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Here are my major issues with the Pacers.

 

First, they really struggle to score.  Stagnant offense, no great playmakers.  I love Paul George and he’s really become a great player, but he isn’t a #1 option on a championship team.  Unless it’s a team like the mid 00’s with the Pistons.  Stephenson is a solid playmaker, but he isn’t someone you really want handling the ball and running sets through on a consistent basis.  They really struggle to put the ball in the bucket far too often.

 

Next, PG play.  George Hill isn’t really a true PG.  He’s a combo guard who I think is better suited as the first guard off the bench.  He doesn’t have great vision and really doesn’t make his teammates around him better.  They need a true PG who can create offense by finding open guys.

 

Lastly, turnovers.  I don’t know what it is about this team, but they make so many poor passes/decisions that lead to turnovers.  Not sure if it’s just their players, or if Vogel is somewhat to blame.  But the turnover issue needs to be addressed, either by new players or Vogel getting on these guys to make better decisions.

 

I think the Pacers are close, they just need the above issues addressed.  It’s much easier said than done though.

 

 

[IhateusernamesParticipant]

 The Pacers have taken advantage of a depleted, Derrick Rose-less Eastern Conference and missed their shot to shock the world last year.

Think about  it.  Look at the championship teams of the pAst 20 years. Do they Pacers stack up to any if them talent wise? 

Go back to 95. Houston had Hakeem and Clyde. 2 sure fire hall of famers. The bulls had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman.

Spurs, Duncan, Robinson, Elliot (2 or 3 time all star)

Lakers. Kobe, Shaq

Spurs. Duncan, Parker, Ginobilli

etc etc

Paul George wouldn’t be even the 2nd best player on any of those teams. Stephenson wouldn’t be the 3rd best player on most of those teams. And Hibbert is statistically closer to Luc Longley than any $58 million player should be. Face it, they came at the right time in a terrible conference, and they didn’t capitalize. A team with real Hall of Famers on it is beating their asses.

[IhateusernamesParticipant]

 The Pacers have taken advantage of a depleted, Derrick Rose-less Eastern Conference and missed their shot to shock the world last year.

Think about  it.  Look at the championship teams of the pAst 20 years. Do they Pacers stack up to any if them talent wise? 

Go back to 95. Houston had Hakeem and Clyde. 2 sure fire hall of famers. The bulls had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman.

Spurs, Duncan, Robinson, Elliot (2 or 3 time all star)

Lakers. Kobe, Shaq

Spurs. Duncan, Parker, Ginobilli

etc etc

Paul George wouldn’t be even the 2nd best player on any of those teams. Stephenson wouldn’t be the 3rd best player on most of those teams. And Hibbert is statistically closer to Luc Longley than any $58 million player should be. Face it, they came at the right time in a terrible conference, and they didn’t capitalize. A team with real Hall of Famers on it is beating their asses.

[vulture711Participant]

 Their bench play is pretty mediocre, would look to bolster that.  They aquired Turner and Allen and they don’t play (lack of trust).  Hibbert keeps vanishing – not sure what you do about that

[vulture711Participant]

 Their bench play is pretty mediocre, would look to bolster that.  They aquired Turner and Allen and they don’t play (lack of trust).  Hibbert keeps vanishing – not sure what you do about that

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[Jco4Participant]

 Could the Pacers make a move for Patty Mills? Also agreed that turnovers kill them, and Turner is not a long term option. They need a certified scorer coming off the bench, besides Mahinmi and Scola that second unit is crap.

[Jco4Participant]

 Could the Pacers make a move for Patty Mills? Also agreed that turnovers kill them, and Turner is not a long term option. They need a certified scorer coming off the bench, besides Mahinmi and Scola that second unit is crap.

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