Please stop hugging Jeremy Lamb's and Arnett Moultrie's nuts. It is affecting your mock draft credibility. I have been an avid fan of your mock drafts from 2001, but I am starting to trust ESPN more this year because you just have been rating these guys way too high for years (with Moultrie) and this year (with Lamb). I mean Reggie Miller? Are you freaking kidding me? No one should ever be compared to Reggie except maybe Ray Allen. Maybe a Nick Young would be far more accurate. I mean you had this guy over rated all year. When he was thought of as a questionable #5 pick, you had him as #2. Now he is thought of as a late lotto pick and you have him at 6? In front of Brad Beal? Are you kidding me. Beal is def. top 5 in my book, and will definitley go before Lamb. As for Moultrie, you have been over rating him for years. When he was at UTEP and thought of as a late first-early second round pick, you vastly over rated him and had him in the lottery. Now at Miss St. when he is considered mid-late first round, you have him going #7? I just don't see, it. Jermaine O'Neal? No way. Jermaine was a Center, a position I never see Moultrie truly being able to play in the NBA full time. Also, Jermaine was a BEAST. Moultrie will never be that. I mean I understand you have favorites, as does everybody else, but don't rate them so much higher that it hurts the credibility of the mock. I'm a big Terrence Jones and think he is vastly under rated, but I am not gonna put him where I think he should go, I put him where I think he will go. Its a mock, not your ranking. If they wow at the combine and Lamb really goes before Beal and Moultrie really goes top 7, I apologize, but I just don't see it AT ALL.
Also Thomas Robinson is in no way Derrick Williams. Williams is a 3/4. Robinson is not a 3 AT ALL.
I agree with the Moultrie call man. I just don't see him being effective in the NBA. If he gets pushed around in the slightest he quits on the play. I see him being another case of Jordan Hill from Arizona if he goes as high as he is projected on this site.
I wouldn't say that Aran is 'hugging nuts'.... But Lamb is wayyyy to high. There is not a single GM in the league that would leave Beal on the table for Lamb. Lamb has proven that he cannot facilitate or be a primary scoring option. Beal has the potential to be both of those things.
Eh, the draft is two months away...we don't even have official measurements and workouts yet. I don't think an April mock is damaging anyone's credibility whether it's Aran or any of us. The complete list of entries isn't even set.
"I agree with the Moultrie call man. I just don't see him being effective in the NBA. If he gets pushed around in the slightest he quits on the play. I see him being another case of Jordan Hill from Arizona."
You know, Jordan Hill was the 8th pick in the 2009 draft. Moultrie is currently projected to go 8th in the 2012 mock.
Hill was my comparison for Moultrie as well, and I'm actually the one (not Aran) who projected him to go 7th in the Mock 3.0. The reason (as I explained), was that the Kings have a habit of drafting for positional need over anything else, even if it means reaching (Thompson, anyone?). They're not taking a backcourt player unless they trade Evans, and while I think that's a good idea, I don't see it happening.
In any case, Moultrie to the Kings at seven was my call. If anybody's credibility should be on the hook for that, it's mine. Here's what I wrote exactly:
"I tried to get in the Kings' head for this pick. They have a habit of drafting for positional need, and they've invested too much in their backcourt prospects to give up on them now. I have them going with somebody to pair with Cousins in Moultrie."
JoeWolf your a good basketball mind. Don't play the "let's wait and see" card. That's just a cop out statement to me. What do you personally think about Moultrie?
And "butidonthavemoney", I am well aware of the Jordan Hill being drafted 8th, that's why I compared Moultrie being drafted that high would be the similar situation. Even if the Kings draft positionally, there are better players that can slip into that 4-man spot for the Kings being drafted after Moultrie on this site. Here are just a couple:
- Jared Sullinger
- Tyler Zeller
- Perry Jones (who is just as high of a risk taking as Moultie as far as I am concerned, but his potential is far greater)
Go start your own website, create your own mock, and generate your own followers since you know so much Durantswingspan....Who are you to call Aran out??
Lamb has the''Talent to be as high as number 2..Its his lack of aggressiveness that has some afraid of taking him that high,becuz they fear he'll never reach his potential...
As for Moultrie,i agree that he doesnt like contact,but he's crafty around he basket and he has much better small forward skills then he has shown in college...I think thats what alot of people are banking on,that he will display those talents in the pros....
And Beal was playing on a guard dominated team,yet he was consistent the entire season...And i believe he's going to explode in the pros....
I believe who a team likes and how guys perform in workouts will ultimately decide who will emerge as the draft's top shooting guard prospect between Beal,Lamb & Rivers ....
If Terrance Ross improves his ball handling ,he will be in the sentence as these guys....
I Cant Wait for the BASHLASH and people bringing up the so-called CURSE of their big men Walton,Oden,Bowie and LaRue Martin...If Portland gets the 2nd pick and select Andre Drummond...Drummond is talented,but he has dropped in the eyes of many...lol
And it'll be interesting to see what Charlotte will do if they doesnt get the 1st pick and drop to 4th..What position will they try to fill and who will they go after if Barnes is taking 3rd?
I'm a big fan of Sullinger, but I really doubt the Kings will think he'd be a good fit with Cousins.
Zeller makes some sense, and could go to the Kings around 7 if the team is convinced that he'll be able to score off of the roster that they have. Keep in mind, that most of his points were either scored off of post-ups, or Marshall finding him in transition/off cuts. Not exactly a fit with Thomas/Fredette/Evans/Cousins controlling the ball (and looking for their own shot first) as much as they do. He does have a quality jump shot, but he's lacks the same offensive versatility as Moultrie.
Jones is a tougher one, because I really do think the Kings could roll the dice on him. His potential is indeed greater than Moultrie's, but he lacks the same refined skill-set that Arnett has. This one could go either way.
But this prediction is contingent on the Kings not picking in the top-5, and the draft order will almost certainly shake-up between now and June.
To be honest, none of these mock drafts really matter till after the lottery.
I personally have Moultrie as a late lottery pick right now. I've seen him play and I love his soft shooting touch and length, but I wonder where he projects as a defensive player. He's still on the thin side and despite being a good rebounder, he isn't a guy who blocks or alters a lot of shots.
I haven't messed with my mock a lot lately, but I have him at #13 as of now. I think he could slide to 15 or 16 or possibly go as high as 11, but to be honest, I'm not as high on him as Aran is either. Early in the year I was very excited to see Moultrie and Perry Jones matchup against each other, and instead I watched a game where both player pretty poorly.
He's got enough tools, I think he could be a lotto guy, but when you're picking top 7 or 8 your expecting (most of the time) a player capable of starting as a rookie or make a big impact down the line. I see Moultrie more as a solid 10 year player who starts for a portion of his career and comes off the bench for another portion. A reliable role player.
^^^^^^ haha, Rudeboy.
Yeah, I can imagine that. If the Trailblazers take Andre Drummond at 2 then it will be kind of funny if Drummond will be the next Sam Bowie and MKG will go third and be the next MJ with Perry Jones going fourth and turning into the next Kevin Durant. That would be Portland's luck.
The Blazers, if they do get a top pick will be in a similar position as back then when they needed a solid center (to pair with LMA) and should have gone with the best talent on the board (Durant or MJ) and signed some stiff in the offseason to play center.
I don't see the Blazers own pick turning into a top 3 selection but if they get to keep the Nets pick then they could get two really good players with their picks. Perhaps 2 UNC guys in Harrison Barnes and Tyler Zeller (or Kendall Marshall). Or Bradley Beal and Perry Jones if the Trailblazers want to add talent on the wing to go with Wes Mathews and Batum. A potential Raymond Felton, Brad Beal, Nic Batum, Perry Jones, and LaMarcus Aldridge lineup would be scary. If I were Portland that is who I would want, then they have Wes Matthews as a third or fourth wing player, Pryzbilla as the enforcer at the 5, JJ Hickson as a scoring power forward with some young guards off the bench like Nolan Smith, Jonny Flynn, and Elliott Williams with Jamal Crawford as the high-scoring super sub.
PG: Raymond Felton
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: Perry Jones
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
C: Joel Pryzbilla
PG: Jamal Crawford/Flynn/Nolan Smith
SG: Wes Mathews
SF: Nic Batum
PF: JJ Hickson/Luke Babbitt
C: Hasheem Thabeet
Moultrie chose a very young agent (in his 20s) recently so that could affect things. You can criticize those two players being too high. That's fine. And you make a good point about the mock being separate from a big board list, which is what we intend to do..... Moultrie may indeed go lower than where he is currently projected. Beal vs Lamb will be settled in workouts (hopefully). I like Beal, but don't love him the way some do. Top 5 is a little high for him considering his size and lack of elite athleticism.
You do realize that you have Terrence Jones 4th, Kendall Marshall 23rd, Damian Lillard 25th, and Scott Machado, Darius Miller and Tyshawn Taylor in the first round of your mock draft right?
@Aran, that was hilarious calling out Durant's wingspan like that. Him calling you out like that saying your on Moultrie's and Lamb's nuts was pretty uncalled for but that was a hilarious fireback pointing out his mock (Terrence Jones Top 5?!?!) I'm pretty sure you put him in his place.
Aran, can you please answer my question that I have asked numerous times?
Aran shows up and EVERYONE wants to chat with him like he's the hot girl as school.
Yeah I realize that, but that is not really my mock. Thats just my list of players I like at the top I made months ago. I'm not trying to say anything bad about this site I love it and always have. I am on here ALL day every day. I am just curious why he is SOOO high on them 2. I just dont see it.
I wasn't calling him out or questioning his knowledge, I was just wondering why he is THAT HIGH on these 2 prospects for so long and he answered it and I appreciate it Aran. Thats all there is to it.
"Please stop hugging Jeremy Lamb's and Arnett Moultrie's nuts. It is affecting your mock draft credibility. I have been an avid fan of your mock drafts from 2001, but I am starting to trust ESPN more this year because you just have been rating these guys way too high for years (with Moultrie) and this year (with Lamb). I mean Reggie Miller? Are you freaking kidding me?"
You don't think that's a call out?
No one interpreted it as you 'just saying' based off your all caps and condescending rhetorical questions. I think Moultrie's overrated and I made a thread about him and a couple others I felt were overrated a couple days ago and didn't go overboard with it like you did saying Aran's on any players nuts. You just seemed (in Stephen A Smith's voice) SO DISRESPECTFUL.
Is that your Adamsapple... or your nuts in your throat?
I'm sure his mock draft will look a lot different come June
Lamb as #2. Deal with it. - Jlv2012.