I want people's opinion on this because maybe I'm wrong. These 3 are all long big men and I wonder what your opinion is. Here are the numbers
Beasley- 14.8, 6.4 in 30mpg
Blatche- 14.1, 6.3 in 28mpg
Randolph- 11.5, 6.5 in 22mpg
My thought: No way were saying Randolph is behind Beasley. Beasley had PLENTY of chances to be the #2 guy next to Wade. He failed. Randolph and Blatche to me are comparable. I say this because last season, Randolph posted 11-6 last season with 3 big scorers/ ball hogs in Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson ( 6 games) and Corey Maggette. Then when he played, Curry got into his rhythm. Then he got hurt. Blatche sat behind Jamison and then broke out.
My point is: Randolph is alot closer to these guys then Stanford Hoops wants to say.
Randolph is last on this list because he had no real player to compete with on top of being on a worst team then beasleyLamar odoms numbers are worst then other players on a bad team
yet he's better because he's doing it on a playoff team
I like Monte Ellis but he's no Wade
Blachete showed once the trades went down what he can do
since no one can predict the future we have no idea what a player will do with more minutes. Some play better while others play worst. What we can go by is what they do with the minutes they get
can't go by If they got more min
we can go by what minutes they did get and who they are competeing with for those minutes. If Randolph was competing with gasol I may change my opinion. But he competed with turif and Anthony tollover if I'm not mistaken. Two guys who aren't that far from the dleauge. Is it really that hard to get minutes over them?
Quick question. If Randolph was someone else would we even be talking about him after watching him
With beasley we would say" damn when he's on he is tough on offense
blatche we'd say" man after the trade of Jamison this guy is tough
Randolph " hmmm average bench player on a bad team with no real competition"
if you put up good numbers on a bad team then there's a discussion. If you out up average numbers on a bad team then there isn't a discussion other then you're potential
Even average numbers on a playoff team needs to be talked about
So averaging 15ppg as a second option on a team with Wade, who scores nearly 30ppg, is failing?
Oh. Never knew that.
Right now the rankings go..
At the end of the year I see them going..
1-Micheal Beasley, 19-ppg 7-rpg 2.5-apg 1-bpg 1-spg
2-Anthony Randolph, 15-ppg, 9-rpg, 2.0-apg 1.5-spg, 2.5-bpg
3-Andray Blatche, 16-ppg, 8-rpg, 3-apg, 1-spg, 1-bpg
I know it looks bad, I ranked Randolph behind Beasley even thou Randolph had very bad stats. I think Beasley will start to prove he is a true baller, with great court sense and an extremely bright future. I also think Randolph and Blatche will prove to be extrordinary talents with bad court semnse and low IQ.
Exactly. Behind Wade on a playoff team
there's a case if golden state was good and he was playing behind David lee or even taj Gibson. But he was playing behind basically backups and on a bad team
Another thing I noticed. Randolph has bad basketball iq
Beasley is on another level then Randolph and Blatche
Randolph to me is better then Blatche because of his all around versatility and athleticism however Blatch is probably a little better now.
I'm in the minority with this but Anthony Randolph in my eyes is an extraordinary talent who got All Star potential because of blend of size, length, athleticism and versatility in being able to play on the wing or in the post both equally well. I mean the guy can start at center and run point forward on offense that's special. B Easy is going to go off this year in Minny and its going to look silly even( comparing Blatche to Beasley.
(there should be a gap here to compensate for the difference in the first 2's potential)
Sorry the post machine double fed.
you keep telling me Randolph got low iq, hes immature, lazy, w/e.... but when I think of Blatche this is what i see...
AR15 is a one of those "will he become what Lamar Odom was gonna be"....type players...he may never be that...buy Beasley can and will break out in Minny and the next team(he will not resign with Minny)
Beasley had serious character issues and if Miami had thought he would develop then surely they would have kept him and used him as a PF with Bosh at C even if they had got LeBron. Regardless of how many points D-Wade scored if Beasley had hit form he could have got 20ppg surely, he has a chance to re-establish himself at the T-Wolves and learn how to play down the stretch as he wasn't trusted with this role in Miami.
Blatche had a run in with Coach Saunders last season and will have to go back to being 3rd or 4th option on this year but will surely benefit from having John Wall as the teams main distributer and alongside McGee,Yi and Seraphin gives Washington some decent young frontcourt options.
Randolph has looked a great prospect when he has played but he needs to stay fit and break into Coach D'Antoni's notoriously tight rotation. He could play at 3 to 5 in that system perhaps as the first big off the bench but he should get decent minutes as STAT should not play excessive minutes and when Felton goes to the bench then maybe Gallinari has to play as a point forward and be their ball carrier.
if they give him a shot to succeed and they get better in the process? Scarecrow, you're a moron.
I'll make a bet with u that I will not doubt forget about and win...If Beasley resigns with the Wolves I'll leave the forum forever...whyw ould he resign there when he never wanted to be drafted there and was happy as hell when they didn't get the pick that year, then he gets traded there for a bowl of pudding and Kaun puts him on blast with the Pot statement...Rubio will not come over and change his mind and Wesley Johnson and Kevin Love may not be there when all is said done either...I repeat why would he resign with the T'Wolves...This is coming from a big time T'Wolves guy during the KG era...I don't see it...they have totally messed up in the draft the last few years...They should have the Curry/Mayo/Beasley trio right now...and trading Rubio after they drafted him would have been the best thing they did at the time...Wesley wouldn't have been the pick IMO..that should have been Cousins...then they'd would have had...
Curry, Mayo, Beasley, Jefferson and Cousins and then just traded Jefferson for another Sf been done with it...
ANd become the new Jailblazers of the NBA with Beasley and Cousins...they mess up big time don't even argue that...Franchise Big in the Mold of Rasheed Wallace or Wesley Johnson...That was a no brainer...you draft the best players and move forward...they over thought the draft and missed out having some big time talent in Minny....
Should have drafted
Mayo over Love...
Curry over Flynn...
Rubio traded for a Top flight SF...
Got Beasley for nothing and he's in the Mold of Zac Randolph...
Cousin over Wes Johnson...
Darko,Pekovic and others prospects could have been the Bench mob they had in Portland...
all of you completely underestimate randolph... this guys per minute averages are ridiculous... beasleys are quite good as well... and we've all seen what blatche can do when given the chance... point being... randolph has the best skillset out of all of them and is pratically the ONLY one of em who can play defense...
"and we've all seen what blatche can do when given the chance"
Yea after the all-star break when Jamison was traded he averaged 22ppg 8rb 4ast sooooo what did you just prove???
The T-Wolves drafted Mayo but McHale was dumb enough to trade him to Memphis, full credit to Chris Wallace for that move. Love is a good prospect but Mayo is ahead of him and would have given the T-Wolves a legit backcourt scoring option to compliment Al Jefferson.
Kahn had trailed Johnny Flynn all last year pre-draft and was almost a lock to take him, he then traded Foye and Miller to Washington who decided to try and become win now for the 5th pick and suddenly Ricky Rubio fell to 5th when Kahn had probably figured it would be Evans or Harden who he could have paired with Flynn and formed a nice long term backcourt.
So having probably promised to take Flynn 6th he almost had his hands tied by drafting Rubio as Curry was a PG as well and taking Hill at 6th may have been a reach and thus he would have probably let Rubio fall to GSW or the Knicks who may well have been able to get him over last summer.
Kahn now has an ace in waiting in Rubio but no team will give a draft pick higher than 5 to get him especially as there is no guarantee that he will come over right away and likewise any trade will probably not be equal to Rubio's upside or it will look pretty humilating for the T-Wolves if Rubio says effectively I won't play for you but if you trade me to whoever then I'll come over.
Personally I was a little surprised that the T-Wolves didn't take Cousins as they needed size in the frontcourt and with Jefferson being on the trading block then a frontcourt scorer was required. Johnson will give them great perimeter defence but Cousins could have provided the inside defence that Darko will and surely was a better prospect than resiging Darko. I've a lot of time for Darko and I rate Johnson very highly but Cousins has the best upside of them all and alongside Love the T-Wolves would have two terrific rebounders who can both pass the ball so it would have given them a nice frontcourt skillset.
Who the he'll cares about per min. Many players can look
like allstars if you go by permin. Thankfully the game is played and people are noticed because of what they do not there pet what ever
if you watch Randolph he doesn't play the win equally well and he's not close to a point forward. He struggles handling the ball when he's matched up with a small forward why do you think the warriors played him
more at center power forward. On top of that he's not strong enough to play down low consistantly. He dribbles past power forwards sometimes so let's please stop going by what he did in summer leauge because he's shown he's only half as good in the regular season
How does randolph have the best skill set. He's a average shooter. He's not a good defender because he's lazy and low defensive iq. He has handles for a pf but showed he can't play sf. And he's proved nothing except that he is a average player. Only time anyone mentions him is when they talk about potential nit about what he has done
We're not debating whether or not the Wolves have made good moves in the past, you can doubt them all you want, all I'm saying is why wouldn't Beasley resign if he were given all the offensive freedom in the world and subsequently makes the Wolves better, because you feel they've made some bad moves in the past. Don't even mention Mayo or Roy or any of that bull &$#%#&@!, that was McFail, he's gone. Who were the Wolves supposed to trade Rubio to, the Knicks for Galinari or Chandler, yep, two top flight SFs, huh? It's like you're just playing off all the cliches the media has given the Wolves, way to go, you're such an individual, maybe you should develop some creativity first and come up with your own opinions. Do you develop all your opinions based on what the media tells you? What a joke, just shut up, you've made yourself look ignorant enough. Did you not read Rubio's quote the other day? Loves Minneapolis, said it's a great city, planning to come here after next season, yet he doesn't want to come? It was all about the $, because he didn't get picked in the Top 3, he didn't have the money to afford his buyout, but again, all you're saying is what you've heard through the media, way to go, individual thought? Not for you, obviously you're thoughts don't have too much value as evidenced by your negative points. So picking Cousins and trying to develop him on a team that has an average age of 23 is a good idea, thank god the Wolves didn't take him, a disaster waiting to happen, dude needs to be around vets, not young guys. Also, Beasley won't resign because Kahn mentioned that he quit pot, everybody in the &$#%#&@! world knew Beas smoked Chron, do you remember that pic? Again, you're a moron, I'd love for you to post this crap on Canis Hoopus, you'd get your balls handed to you, sorry bro, all you're saying is what the media has been saying the last year, you're completely devoid of individual opinion, you must be proud, you're as generic as generic could be.
especially with how the trade worked, MN never would've been able to get Rubio without the trade, see Mike Miller. So Mayo's 14 PER is better than Love's 22 PER? Mayo may have better physical ability, but Love is a much better basketball player than Mayo, Mayo is terribly inefficient. Cousins never would've been able to develop correctly with the Wolves, guy needs vets around, not young guys, the Wolves average age is 23, that's the reason the Wolves didn't take Cousins, they liked him as a player, but felt he would bomb with his first team (because they most likely were a young team) and become a force with his second team. They may be wrong, but Johnson will still be a good player, especially on a running/ball movement team with Rubio or even Flynn. The Wolves original Draft plan in 09' was to take Tyreke and Curry because they felt neither was a PG, but both would work as a backcourt, that fell through. They had to take the BPA (Rubio) and attempted to trade Flynn with the 18th pick (where Sacramento wanted the Wolves to take James Johnson, that fell through too) for Tyreke, Sacramento was very high on Flynn.
Why are people so down on the tpups? How do people think teams become good alot of times. They start from the bottom rack up cap space get young cheap talent and develop them while picking up freeagents. Everyone can't be a contender over night. It takes years in many cases. Look at the knicks and clipers. They are still tryna make the playoffs after a decade or more. There present doesn't look very bright but there future looks pretty good
Why wouldn't beasley resign there? He picked unc Charlotte and Kansas st over bugger cities and more popular teams. He's at a place where he can be the number one option and get paid while being the vet/leader at a young age
2010-11 Team Minutes
PG: Flynn - 30 / Ridnour - 18 / Telfair -
SG: Webster - 31 / Brewer - 15 / Ellington -
SF: Beasley - 35 / Johnson - 25 / Lazar -
PF: Love - 30 / Tolliver - 16
C: Darko - 25 / Pekovic - 15 / Koufos -
2009-10 Team Minutes
PG: Flynn - 28 / Sessions - 20
SG: Brewer - 30 / Ellington - 18 / Pavlovic - 12
SF: Gomes - 29 / Wilkins - 19
PF: Jefferson - 32 / Love - 28
C: Hollins - 17 / Jawai - / Pecherov -
Webster >>>> Pavlovic - won't ever play in the NBA again
Ridnour >> Sessions
Beasley >>> Gomes
Johnson >>> Wilkins - NBA player?
Darko >>> Hollins - NBA player?
Pekovic << Jefferson
Tolliver >>>> Jawai or Pecherov - Neither will ever play in the NBA again
So averaging 15ppg as a second option on a team with Wade, who scores nearly 30ppg, is failing? Oh. Never knew that.
Yea, from the expectations he had from College to realizing he's not a 4? Yea, he failed in my eyes.
If You Doubt Anthony Randolphs Ability Please Watch!!!!!! The Man Is A Freak Of Nature and D'Antoni Is About To Unleash Him...
No you didnt just put a highlight tape up lol
And Scarecrow the only thing I disagree with you about is I'd rather have Love then Mayo...Kevin is a rebounding machine, who probably has a better court vision then Mayo, and can shoot all the way out to the NBA 3 not to mention his lost post skill set...Flynn over Curry was just the worse pick ever because you figure even if Rubio came over what the hell were the gonna do wit Flynn, and Rubio-Curry backcourt would be pretty fun although nobody would be playing defense...I never though Flynn should of been a top ten pick in the first place I was always high on Jennings and thought the Knicks messed up big time by not drafting him, and even Darren Collison would of been a better pick then Flynn, like they could of atleasted picked Holiday. And when they traded for the 5 pick i thought it was a serious mistake drafting Love instead of Lopez because he plays the same position as Big Al, and a Big Al- Lopez frontcourt would be pretty formidable...but the icing on the cake if them taking Wesley Johnson this year then trading for a whole bunch of small forwards like Webster and Beasley...HAHAHA!!
because the Kings were willing to trade Tyreke to them for Flynn and James Johnson. Obviously that didn't work out. The Wolves' original plan was to select Curry and Evans, their scouts didn't feel Curry was a PG, but thought him and Evans would work as a backcourt, obviously several other teams didn't think Curry was a PG too, he was taken 7th, including the Kings who wanted Flynn and had him rated higher than Curry.
The Wolves only took Flynn because the Kings were willing to trade Tyreke to them for Flynn and James Johnson.
Link please because that sounds like BS.
including the Kings who wanted Flynn and had him rated higher than Curry.
LINK PLEASE BECAUSE THAT'S SOME BS
Where are you getting these statements from?
In Rambis' system, there's no difference between the 2 and 3 positions besides being able to adequately defend the 2 or 3 spots, so Webster will be a 2 because he can defend 2s and Wes Johnson, if he's up to it defensively will also play the 2, he actually just stated that in an interview, that the Wolves planned to play him at both the 2 and 3. They also think Lazar can play both spots. So the idea of taking a ton of SFs is again overdrawn, just like the PGs last year, I'm so proud of our collective posters, you guys are so original! I'm so happy to see most of you basing your opinions on what the media says! Good for you! We really have some originality on this site, huh? What a joke.
That was the big rumor around here (Twin Cities) on multiple AM Radio shows after the 09' Draft, Tyreke for Flynn and James Johnson. Article where Kings praise Flynn before Draft:
Kahn also said the Kings were very high on Flynn in interviews this least season. Don't give me that Kahn sucks bull &$#%#&@! either, that doesn't make him any less credible when it comes to rumors. Remember, Curry went 7th, meaning there were 5 teams that didn't think he would be as good as the player they selected, for the Wolves they had to take the perceived BPA (Rubio) and a player in Flynn who they planned to trade, what about OKC, Memphis, or the Clippers? Where's the hate on them?
there weren't many teams who thought Curry could be a full time PG, I remember many on here, including our own writers who didn't think he could be, funny how hindsight works, huh? Yet, you all think you had it right, you all had Curry rated higher, what a crock of &$#%#&@!, this site is a joke, peace &$#%#&@!.
But that article doesn't even mention Flynn being traded for Evans so that's a LIE
Stephen Curry was never mention in the article either so that's a LIE
Haha yes blatche averaged 22 and 8 for 30 games..... the wizards also won 6 of those 30 games....
Northen Lights I understand that Rambis Runs a form of the Triangle Offense meaning You need versatile wingmen who can defend multiple positions and bring the ball up...So Mike Beasley starting at small forward for them is a terrible idea and if he starts at 4 what are they going to do with Love? Love is a little too short armed IMO opinion to effectively start at Center...And Wes Johnson doesn't have the versatility on the offensive side to bring the ball up well enough to play shooting guard for them...And there is no way the Kings would of traded Evans for Flynn because they were surprised that Evans was there when they selected. The Kings were high on Flynn but not high enough to give up Evans for him hence the reason it never happened. The Kings also liked Holiday more then Flynn...And if they didn't think Curry could play point that shouldn't be a problem if you draft Flynn...If they came out the draft with Flynn and Curry they would of been in waaaaaaaaaaaaay better shape then drafted Rubio who may never play for them and if he does its gonna be atleast another year so thats 2 years of rebuilding with a key cog not even being there setting your rebuilding back 2 years.
Not that hard for an NBA starting caliber player to average 22 ppg as a first option on a team that wins 20% of their games, that doesn't mean he should be scoring 22ppg.
Oh and WizKid I did put a highlight vid up in case you were wondering if it was a highlight vid or a still picture...if you click play the picture will start moving....no but seriously I thought it'd be beneficial to the people too lazy to look for it themselves to see what the guy can do because not everybody got a chance to see him in action playing for Golden State and he was really impressive in the limited minutes he got...
@bkballer tell that to Andre "Kobe" Iguadola who can't even averaging 20 points a game despite being an all world athlete, very skilled, and had the keys to the franchise since we trade A.I.
Iguadala is not a scorer, he is a good intangibles guy but should never be a first option on any team..... plus his team never lost 17 in a row with him as the first option.
What does winning games have to do with comparing two players
Let me quote what you said in your previous post.
"Webster >>>> Pavlovic - won't ever play in the NBA again
Ridnour >> Sessions
Beasley >>> Gomes
Johnson >>> Wilkins - NBA player?
Darko >>> Hollins - NBA player?
Pekovic << Jefferson
Tolliver >>>> Jawai or Pecherov - Neither will ever play in the NBA again"
Did you just say that Pekovic is better than Al Jefferson??
Simple any decent NBA player can score 20 ppg if they are the first option.... not every NBA player can win games as a first option. When jamison was starting the wizards went 16-25.... when blatche took over, they went 10-31
WizardofOz if you reread that post the greater sign is pointing to Jefferson so he is not saying that Pekovic is better then Big Al #justsaying....
and you're right about the Sixers not losing more then 17 games with Iggy as the first option and he is not a first option but thinks he is...I am hoping Turner tell him to fall back I got this...
is that the Wolves weren't able to select James Johnson with the 18th Pick. Nothing else, the Kings loved Flynn, yet they were surprised to see Tyreke available? Who was going to take Tyreke before the Kings? I'd think more than anybody, Rubio was the one that fell. The Thunder loved Harden, everybody before the Draft knew that, same with Thabeet to the Grizz, yet the Kings were surprised to see Tyreke fall? I think you're grasping at straws here dude. I don't know if you're a Kings fan, but Petrie loved Flynn and were willing to deal Tyreke for him, they didn't so the Kings lucked out, but that deal was going to happen if the Wolves were able to select Johnson, no doubt.
That was an article stressing the fact that the Kings really liked Flynn, which they did. You do realize most teams didn't even think Curry could play PG before the Draft, right? Or are you one of our most original NBADRAFT.NET posters who claim they had all the answers before the Draft. Do you really think every rumor has an article to it? Like I said, go to Canis Hoopus, ask them about the rumor, most of those guys have the opportunity to speak to David Kahn directly, they're mostly Season Ticket Holders, they'll let you know what's up, and then when you start throwing that regurgitated media bull &$#%#&@! around about the Wolves they'll eat your New York ghetto ass up and spit you out. Peace NBADRAFT.NET &$#%#&@!.
Oh my mad. I misread it.
Or are you one of our most original NBADRAFT.NET posters who claim they had all the answers before the Draft. Do you really think every rumor has an article to it? Like I said, go to Canis Hoopus, ask them about the rumor, most of those guys have the opportunity to speak to David Kahn directly, they're mostly Season Ticket Holders, they'll let you know what's up they'll let you know what's up, and then when you start throwing that regurgitated media bull &$#%#&@! around about the Wolves they'll eat your New York ghetto ass up and spit you out. Peace NBADRAFT.NET &$#%#&@!.
A) Never said I had all the answers
B) Canis Hoopers are mostly SEASON TICKET HOLDERS.
C) I'm Ghetto?
D) You still didn't show me where it was reported or rumored too. It wasn't so it was BS.
lol..yeah a highlight tape squashes all doubt about a guy..lol..
hell perry jones should be in the nba right now if we are going by highlight tapes
or why Rubio will come over and lead this team in a year or two....Please tell me caus I want to root for the Wolves but how can I?
They've left the most talent on the table at draft time year after year...
The best player they've drafted has not played a game for the team...
The picks they've blown could have gotten them a mini All Star Team
They pass on another clear cut pick to replace The Hole at C
(Jefferson was on the Block,and was not a center...Love also was no Center and Darko was a Free Agent)
Then they draft and trade for a gang of Sf's and the Best Sf out the Group is a Pf that plays better from the spot Kevin Love plays...
They are in a very nice position for the future good young players. Money and picks. The key word here is patience. Most teams don't get much better over night