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Anthony Davis: SEC Tournament

So I've watched Anthony Davis especially close in these SEC tourney games. And it has just enforced everything I have already thought about him: He is not a franchise big. I am not saying he won't have a solid NBA career, or be a great shot blocker. But the way he has been overhyped amazes me, and heres just a couple of points I have on him:

1. He tries to block shots way too much. He leaves his feet in the worst times, always trying to make a block instead of playing good defense.

2. In both these last two games, inferior bigmen Patric Young and Festus Ezeli outplayed him. Not only that, both teams got huge bulks of their points at the rim, where Davis is supposed to be protecting it.

3. His offensive game is pretty much a mess. I understand for his size he seems to be developing a nice jump shot, but in the paint he is non existent. He gets points on putbacks and dunks mainly. That's great if your Joakim Noah. Thats great if your DeAndre Jordan. This guy is suppose to be a future superstar. He has absolutely no post moves, and rarely scores around the hoop unless if its an alley oop or a putback

4. He is supposedly the "Player of the Year" Yet he does not demand the ball at all. This is probably because he isn't a very good offensive player, and can't just call for it in the low post and make a move on his man. He doesn't come out and get it or anything. Today, in a close game, Teague, Lamb, Miller, and Jones were all taking shots in crunch time. Davis got a couple of offensive rebounds and got fouled, but even on those they were plays he should have finished. That one time he went up like he was going to dunk it, then decided it was too difficult and at least second tried to pass it off, luckily for him he got bailed out by a foul.

5. His biggest attribute seems to be rebounding. Again, this is concerning. This was Kenneth Faried's biggest attribute a year ago. No one is calling him a future superstar, or No.1 overall pick.

I just don't know if I have ever seen a player that has such a high probability of being a solid role player, who runs the floor, blocks shots, dunks, and gets a lot put backs billed as a future superstar. He is a good college defender. When hes going up against NBA bigs next year, he isn't going to be a very good one on one defender at all. I like that his offensive game has shown some increased range, but what is he in the paint? If he can't make moves on the Ezeli's and the Patric Young's of the world, what is he going to do against NBA starters? I know alot of you love him, but he is being severely overhyped. He will be an NBA player, but I have my doubts about him being a star.


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Davis has nice turn around

Davis has nice turn around hook shots with either hand. To me, I see a guy who developed a lot since the beginning of the season. I didn't see the last Florida game, but I watched the one prior to that and he did have a tough time against Patrick Young's strength, but weight and strength is something that can be worked on.

I think Davis' defensive potential lies in his shot blocking and his ability to switch out and defend the pick and roll. At 225 lbs, he is going to have problems getting backed down on the low block, but he could be a very good Tyson Chandler/Kevin Garnett pick and roll defender in the NBA and with hopefully another 20 lbs of muscle, he'll be better in one on one post positions.

I think he's a guy who's shooting touch is going to continue to develop, he's an 18 year old who shoots 70% from the FT line, it's not like were talking about turning a terrible shooter into a good one. He's already pretty solid, he just needs reps.

I don't think he's the perfect player, right now, but I think he'll develop into a better offensive player.

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I actually like his perimeter

I actually like his perimeter game for a big man. I just don't think hes aggressive in the post at all.

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Thank you for posting this, I

Thank you for posting this, I agree with you completely on all of these points. What is especially concerning for me has continually been his attitude, he always defers to his teammates and is in no way a leader of the team. He only scores on dunks and when defenders give his quickness and handles too much credit (I have yet to see them really displayed, and that is strange considering everyone raves about them...) and he can stare down the basket. Someone who is projected to go #1 in the upcoming draft he is going to be expected to fulfill that leader, go-to role and I don't see that happening..

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Hes pure potential which I

Hes pure potential which I dont understand. We have no clearcut 1st overall pick yet. Its all in the air. Barnes could easily take it, along with Davis, MKG, Robinson, Drummond, Lamb, it doesnt really matter. Whoever steps up and starts going beast mode in the tourny takes it. Based on what the season has showed us, athletisism, skillset and potential Davis is the frontrunner.

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I see him as a power forward

I see him as a power forward at the next level, not a center. I think he lacks the strength to get to wherever he wants on the block right now, but when he does have good position he really does have the ability to hit nice hook shots and execute the footwork to get open.

I think as he gets stronger he'll be better on the block and as a power forward in the NBA he won't be on the block as much, allowing him to get more blocks off the weak side and face up his opponent more.

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yeah dude is gonna struggle

yeah dude is gonna struggle in the NBA, overhyped. he will be a solid NBA player, but nothing special to what ESPN is saying

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I still think he's the

I still think he's the favorite for the #1 pick, and I am a fan of his game and development, but I will say this.

If Charlotte gets the #1 pick, they should draft Harrison Barnes. I have a BPA attitude when picking high in the draft, but I see Harrison Barnes as a perfect fit in Charlotte. If they're going for Bismack as their 5 of the future they should try to add a scorer.

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Nice Post. I have been a

Nice Post. I have been a skeptic all year and have been saying all his points are put backs or alley oops. He is a good weak side defender but not when bodied up. He has a nice looking jump shot, doesn't use it to often and his ball handeling is insanely overhyped. He is a second option at best and thats if you have a PG who can create for him.

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Everyone has to remember

He is a FRESHMAN big man. They usually struggle mightily. Everyone says big men are the latest to develop, yet you think Davis is never going to work out his weaknesses? For a freshman bigmen he is ridiculous. At the beginning of the season all he did pretty much was catch oops and block shots and play stellar defense. But he was DOMINANT at just blocking shots and catching oops. He can impact a game greatly by doing JUST that. We raved because he was the BEST freshman shot blocker we have ever seen at the college level, while getting around 2 fouls per game only. Last player we seen defend the post remotely like this was Greg Oden and we'll never get to see what could have been with him. But my point is that Davis has progressed AMAZINGLY from the beggining of the season to now. I have never seen a players game progress this much in the same season. He was probably the first pick in the draft simply off of being that player we saw earlier, the most dominant defender in college basketball who can also throw down any put back or lob by the rim. But now the most dominant shot blocker possibly ever in college can also knock down three pointers? Can also throw alley oops to others? Can also hit that hook shot? Damn! The only thing that worries me about this kid is his strength because he gets pushed around down low, but for how small he is he has that Kevin Garnett wirey strength. Even if he never gets any more strength I still see him as a very versatile player and a dominant defender. But if he can get to about the 250 range, WATCH OUT! Plus you have to remember that he grew like 8 inches only a year ago. He hasn't even really had time to gain any weight to make up for it, or to even get used to his 6'11 frame. He is going to be a completely different player in a few years.

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Joewolf, right on Barnes is

Joewolf, right on Barnes is the perfect fit. Davis and Bismack have too similar strengths and weaknesses to pair them together, also how many times have we seen teams pass on a better wing player to take a big man with more potential and it not work out.

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Davis didn't get outplayed by

Davis didn't get outplayed by Patric Young against Florida in the tournament. Young had success scoring in the opening 10 minutes, but I am not sure he scored even one basket in the post after that. Davis didn't have his most efficient game against Florida, but Kentucky likely would have lost that game by double digits if he hadn't played.

Davis has his flaws, but he has loads of potential on each end of the floor. Davis' combination of length, coordination, quickness, and touch are almost impossible to replicate. His potential as a low post scorer is unmatched. Now, Davis is raw and has a lot of work to do to reach his potential, but I am not sure another prospect in this year's draft has continually shown the progress that Davis has.

No, he doesn't seem to demand the ball in crunch time, but he doesn't shy away, either. I am not sure you can really knock a big man for playing within himself. Now, Davis could due with starting to knock down his jump shots with consistency, and becoming productive in the post, but that will come later. He is only a freshman.

Maybe Davis won't develop his offensive game, and will just become what Brandan Wright could have been without injuries, but I doubt that. I think Davis is clearly the first pick. I think he would even be the best fit for the Bobcats, as his offensive game is coming along, and him and Biyombo would be quite the defensive tandem.

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I would love to see him next

I would love to see him next to Greg Monroe, they would be a great front court pairing.

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he is thin, there's no

he is thin, there's no question about it ... but i think you're getting a guy who can make a difference if you win the lottery this year. it absolutely cannot be underrated how important it is to have bigs who are good pick and roll defenders in the NBA anymore. high pick and roll is the dominant set in this league and the really good defensive teams are able to defend it in a variety of ways.

he also just turned 19 today! to say he's not a leader? ... was derrick rose at memphis? he's a young guy with plenty of time to grow into that role! he rotates beautifully defensively.

just out of curiousity, who would you take instead? everybody at this stage of their career has areas of their game you can knock. nobody is a finished product at 19.

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Or

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Or imagine if Davis was next to demarcus cousins , that would be an awesome pairing

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Thats what I'm praying for ^

Cousins and Davis would be an immaculate frontcourt, perfectly complimenting eachothers strengths and weaknesses.

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People need to realize he has

People need to realize he has only been playing as a big for two years and in high school he really was playing more a small forward role. Look how fast he has learned how to play the position and with more and more time, he will get even better. He still has been marvelous all season long.

The poster of this thread says all he does is block shots, which simply is not true. He can step out and guard all five positions off the pick-and-roll which you can not quantify how important that is.; especially in the NBA. With his length, altheticism, and mobility, one could probably start him at SF,PF, or C at the next level as well.

I personally think he has a really good offensive game; I just don't think you have watched him enough. He shows the ability to pick and pop/roll. Also, if you watched the last game of the regular season against Florida, he hit two hook shots, one with the left and another with the right hand, over Patric Young. If you watched the game at Rupp against Vandy, he would have saw him hit a turnaround jumper. He definitly need to continue and refine his post game, but as he gets stronger physically, it should be just fine.

PS- the reason why flordia and vandy had so many points at the rim was becuase both teams did a good job at pulling him away from the rim.

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Consider he's a skinny

Consider he's a skinny freshman with very raw offensive skill in the post, he had done an extremely good job and probably the best all around player.

You have to remember:

1) He was a guard before he grew to 6-10, so his post skills are still under development.

2) He is a freshman. How many freshman would do all the things he does and everyone knows he hasn't even scratch the surface of his potential. He needs time to develop into a superstar, but he got all the physical gifts. Also, he's a hard worker that gives his all every game. I think the heart, the maturity, and the work ethics would take him to the super star level in a few years. He's a very good team player and doesn't complain about lack of touches. Obviously, his raw offensive is also one of the reasons, but when you are on a team with MKG, Terrence Jones, Teague, and Lamb, he can certainly take a back seat and contribute in defense, rebounding. It's about winning as a team and not individual dominance.

Perry Jones on the other hand has all the talent, but his heart is questionable. Apparently, he got solid character and work ethic, but he just doesn't seem to play hard all the time. If he has that fire in him like AD, Perry Jones would be a superstar.

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First off,

A LOT of people talk about size or lack of strength... Can someone name dominate low post scorers in the league??? I mean outside of Cousins, D12, Griffin, Love, Bynum, and Duncan no one else scares me in the low post with strength... That's what 6 players?? And 2 are PF's... I think that "Strength" crap is overrated... I think it has more to do with length than anything... Why you think Boozer can't score on longer defenders?? He one of the strongest low post players in the game... Hell Noah is an excellant defender but he's built like Davis... In fact if you look at the top low post defenders majority are slim... OVERRATED stats I tell ya...

College basketball isn't a place for big men to dominate offensively... ESPECIALLY if you play on a team with other draft picks... They lost 2 damn games and he's scoring without dominating the ball... That's huge... With how he played in HS, the All-Star games, and now showing some of his scoring prowess I don't see how ANYONE can say he will be a bust... I mean the kid is a workacholic... Dude said I want to go to Kentucky win a championship my first year and go to the NBA... AND he's well on his way into that... IDK how a couple of you feel he's overrated... You don't take all the trophies while being a role player... You just don't... Every STUD (like POY type) freshman with any sense of work ethic has dominated in the league... I can't name the last one who didn't... G.O. maybe??? And he's been injured so it doesn't count...

Be cool... Anthony is going to be a beast... Better than advertised...

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Stop with the hate, Davis

Stop with the hate, Davis will be an NBA All-Star...

Blake Griffin averaged 14-9 in his first college season, Davis is averaging 14-10 with more blocks and on a better team with more stars.... Davis could well have averaged 16/17-11 on a weaker team...

Not saying he is going to be better than Blake, but this is only his first college season.... Davis will be an NBA All-Star

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People forget he was a point

People forget he was a point guard in high school and was a big man by the time he graduated. So him being skinny and getting pushed around is expected until he grows into his body.

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Its funny, just two years ago

Its funny, just two years ago DeMarcus Cousins was at Kentucky, dominating at center, and he panned out pretty welll.

Meanwhile, Derrick Favors "wasn't getting enough touches", was a "19 year old big man", and had "max potential." And he still doesn't do anything. Interesting...

Let me also note, alot of the davis defenders here are bringing up that he can improve and has potential despite his flaws. This is similar to what people are saying about Andre Drummond, the difference is ESPN/the media think Davis is OUTSTANDING right now. That is the part I don't get. 14 PPG is....okay.

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14ppg as a third or fourth

14ppg as a third or fourth option is so much better than let's say Perry's 14ppg as a first option on a worse team..

and his jumpshot and hook shot is coming he can driblle and jsut too athletic long active not to be a player who gets a lot of easy buckets too..i really believe in three years he will surprise you with his offensive game

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as a third or fourth

as a third or fourth option

Future superstars are rarely 3rd or 4th options on any level.

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So what are we doing now

So what are we doing now acting like Anthony Davis was arguably the most dominant player in the nation at 18 years old this year because he had a game or 2 in the tournament where he kinda came down to Earth but still had impressive numbers for a freshman big?

FvckSwagg is you think PPG is the only difference between Davis and Drummond you really need to get your basketball analytical skills up. How about Davis not only averages 4 points more per game which leads his team in scoring, but he also shoots about 10% higher from the field which is a BIG deal. That's the difference between a 40% shooter and a 50% shooter.

Davis leads a team in scoring that only lost 2 games all year while shooting about 65%. Drummond is like 4th on a team in scoring that has been a huge disapointment and shoots about 54%.

Drummon has proven to be a really good shot blocker by getting 2 and a half blockers per game. Davis is an amazing shot blocker who get over 4 and a half per game. Drummond get's about 8 rebounds per game, while Davis averages a double double and get 10. For all is Drummonds weight advantage over Davis he doesn't hold his position anywhere near as well as Davis in the post and the numbers back this up.

I almost forget to mention that Davis doesn't even average a turnover per game as he rarely turns the ball over or makes a bad play.

Thus far in college Davis has proven to be the most explosive athlete as well. Davis grabs rebounds at their peak and Drummond don't. Davis just knows how to play basketball a lot better then Andre Drummond. Davis does everything better, everything. The only advantage Drummond has is his weight and he don't even know how to use it right so that's a mute point.

How about Drummond shooting 29% from the FT line and Davis shooting 70%. Can that difference get any bigger?

It's also funny how Davis has already dominated Florida and Vanderbilt twice and he doesn't do it one game and we wanna act like he can't beat pro size front courts like he hasn't done it all season..SMH.

Anthony Davis is clearly is a whole other level but I guess...

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I was wondering when you were

I was wondering when you were going to chime in Mr 19134, because you were always bringing up Festus Ezeli as a NBA-size C that Davis was able to handle, and while yes, it was only one game, but you can't deny Ezeli did a great job overpowering Davis.

There's no way Davis can be expected to play C at the next level full-time, even if he does add some weight, his centre of gravity is too high and he's too skinny around the middle to compensate.

He might be able to play a bit of C like Garnett does on occasion, but if you're looking for a franchise C, not a PF, then the choice is easily Drummond.

Bear in mind that Drummond plays for UConn a team which doesn't do a great job of getting their bigs involved, and Davis plays for Kentucky, which makes a point of ensuring high % shots for its bigs rather than giving them more freedom to operate.

Davis can do some things that are impressive, but I remain mystified as to the absence of this "handle" and I daresay it's an advantage Drummond has over him rather than vice versa.

Be honest Mr. 19134, how many UConn games have you actually watched this season? I'm not trying to call you out, I'm just curious.

I can't wait for Kentucky to play UConn in the second round, could be the start of a rivalry to match that of Magic and Bird; two similar players who have their own strengths and weaknesses who are the same age and likely to be drafted at the same time... there really hasn't been a true rivalry like this since Larry/Magic. I know you could say Garnett and Duncan, but the key difference is they weren't drafted together, despite being the same age.

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He's 19 with insane work

He's 19 with insane work ethic and athletecism. His motor and skill at this time point to him being a superstar with proper coaching and development. He isn't a superstar now and not one of the VERY few guaranteed superstars, but... so? Who was an inarguable superduperstar? Franchise centers (depending on Duncan), Jordan, and Durant. That might be it. I think Davis is more than impressive enough.

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