[MorseWillParticipant]

Looking thus far in the season, IMO Anthony Davis seems to be the clear leader for DPOY award in just his second season. Other players such as Hibbert and Jordan are also having great years defensively but Davis is averaging over 10 rebounds per game (top 10), 1.6 steals pg (top 15) and leads the league in blocks per game at 3.34 (almost 1 block per game more than Hibbert who’s second in the league). His improvement from rookie year to this year has been impressive, and most noticeable on the defensive end. Tonight he continued his strong performance with 17 pts, 16 rebs, and 4blks.

Several good candidates for DPOY  but doesn’t Anthony Davis seem to be the frontrunner at this point?

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Yes, but since he doesn’t do pull up jumpers from 20 feet and score 22 point per game, he can’t possibly be a star player. Right?

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Yes, but since he doesn’t do pull up jumpers from 20 feet and score 22 point per game, he can’t possibly be a star player. Right?

 

[Hacker90Participant]

 He’s averaging 20.4 PPG on the season. Also, 23.3 PPG, 10 RPG and 4.1 BPG in his last 10 games. I’d say you can call him a star, if not one in the making at 20 years old.  It’s crazy to think about his potential

[Hacker90Participant]

 He’s averaging 20.4 PPG on the season. Also, 23.3 PPG, 10 RPG and 4.1 BPG in his last 10 games. I’d say you can call him a star, if not one in the making at 20 years old.  It’s crazy to think about his potential

[HandDownManDown13Participant]

 He’s got a nice 20 foot jumper and he was a point guard till he was 16 or 17. I’m pretty sure that pullup is coming pretty soon. His game is only going to expand further from the basket. He’s more than capable right now, but he will continue to extend his range and get comfortable on the court throughout his career. He’s going to be silly good. 

[HandDownManDown13Participant]

 He’s got a nice 20 foot jumper and he was a point guard till he was 16 or 17. I’m pretty sure that pullup is coming pretty soon. His game is only going to expand further from the basket. He’s more than capable right now, but he will continue to extend his range and get comfortable on the court throughout his career. He’s going to be silly good. 

[Prime TimeParticipant]

 He’s my pick for DPOtY, but it’ll go to someone on a team with a better record than the Pelicans.

[Prime TimeParticipant]

 He’s my pick for DPOtY, but it’ll go to someone on a team with a better record than the Pelicans.

[jwall1Participant]

 Individually, Davis is a great defender. I still think it should go to Hibbert just because he is the anchor of the best defense in the league. Pelicans are 19th in points allowed, which in my opinion is not good enough to justify Davis as a DPOY. Individual stats are great, but I think Roy Hibbert has a bigger impact defensively than Davis right now. I also would give Noah the nod, simply because he is also the anchor of the 2nd best defensivel team. 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 yeah this is whats most likely going to happen. if the Pacers continue to be the #1 D in the league,Hibbert will take home the award. not to mention people will want to reward " winning" and Davis team will most likely miss the playoffs.

but Davis has been making a killing and i could see him taking home a few of DPOTY award in the near future. 

imo he’s already a star player. its scary to think he’s only 20, his ceiling is sky high.

[jwall1Participant]

 yea, he will definitely be dpoy someday.

[jwall1Participant]

 yea, he will definitely be dpoy someday.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 yeah this is whats most likely going to happen. if the Pacers continue to be the #1 D in the league,Hibbert will take home the award. not to mention people will want to reward " winning" and Davis team will most likely miss the playoffs.

but Davis has been making a killing and i could see him taking home a few of DPOTY award in the near future. 

imo he’s already a star player. its scary to think he’s only 20, his ceiling is sky high.

[samosasParticipant]

Davis’ accomplishments shouldn’t be diminished by his team’s inequities.

[samosasParticipant]

Davis’ accomplishments shouldn’t be diminished by his team’s inequities.

[jwall1Participant]

 Individually, Davis is a great defender. I still think it should go to Hibbert just because he is the anchor of the best defense in the league. Pelicans are 19th in points allowed, which in my opinion is not good enough to justify Davis as a DPOY. Individual stats are great, but I think Roy Hibbert has a bigger impact defensively than Davis right now. I also would give Noah the nod, simply because he is also the anchor of the 2nd best defensivel team. 

[SublimeParticipant]

 Defensive player of the Year and not Defensive Team of the Year.

I think Davis is clearly the best player on the defensive end of the floor, not just with blocks, but also steals as well. Davis taking Hibberts place on the Pacers they’d still be number one defensively.

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 im not diagreeing with you. im jus saying how the voting process will work. they’re going to reward winning and give it to the anchor of the best defensive team in the league.

i do give man to man post defense to Hibbert over Davis,which is about the only thing he does better than him.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 im not diagreeing with you. im jus saying how the voting process will work. they’re going to reward winning and give it to the anchor of the best defensive team in the league.

i do give man to man post defense to Hibbert over Davis,which is about the only thing he does better than him.

[jwall1Participant]

Yea but the thing is stats are not everything. Davis may average more blocks and steals than Hibbert and Noah, but he does not lock down the paint like them. Hibbert leads the league amongst big men in lowest opponent field goal percentage in the paint. 

[jwall1Participant]

Yea but the thing is stats are not everything. Davis may average more blocks and steals than Hibbert and Noah, but he does not lock down the paint like them. Hibbert leads the league amongst big men in lowest opponent field goal percentage in the paint. 

[SublimeParticipant]

 Defensive player of the Year and not Defensive Team of the Year.

I think Davis is clearly the best player on the defensive end of the floor, not just with blocks, but also steals as well. Davis taking Hibberts place on the Pacers they’d still be number one defensively.

 

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

 The thing with DPOY is that defense is more a team-effort, whereas offense is more individual. DPOY should be the player alleviating his team to playing good defense, like Chandler did a few years ago (and Howard did with the Magic).

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

 The thing with DPOY is that defense is more a team-effort, whereas offense is more individual. DPOY should be the player alleviating his team to playing good defense, like Chandler did a few years ago (and Howard did with the Magic).

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

 The thing with DPOY is that defense is more a team-effort, whereas offense is more individual. DPOY should be the player alleviating his team to playing good defense, like Chandler did a few years ago (and Howard did with the Magic).

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

 The thing with DPOY is that defense is more a team-effort, whereas offense is more individual. DPOY should be the player alleviating his team to playing good defense, like Chandler did a few years ago (and Howard did with the Magic).

[apb540Participant]

If Davis continues at this pace and doesn’t win DPOY because his team around him wasn’t good enough then I think the award should have a name change.

Outside of Davis passing the eye test, anyone who plays DFS like me knows just how good this guy is defensively. On the website I use (not trying to get in trouble for naming names), steals and blocks are worth 2 points each; this means that Davis averages just over 9 fantasy ppg off his defense alone. No one else in the league is even close to doing that.

[apb540Participant]

If Davis continues at this pace and doesn’t win DPOY because his team around him wasn’t good enough then I think the award should have a name change.

Outside of Davis passing the eye test, anyone who plays DFS like me knows just how good this guy is defensively. On the website I use (not trying to get in trouble for naming names), steals and blocks are worth 2 points each; this means that Davis averages just over 9 fantasy ppg off his defense alone. No one else in the league is even close to doing that.

[HaleParticipant]

No, Roy Hibbert should be the frontrunner. When players shoot at the rim against him they are only shooting 41.4% on nearly 10 attempts per game. That’s over 2% better than anyone else who is in contention for the award right now (3.5% better than Davis). He’s also the anchor for the hands down best defense in the NBA. As we have seen in the past with Serge Ibaka (who’s playing much better this year) blocked shots don’t mean anything in terms of how good you are defensively. Not to say Anthony Davis isn’t a great defender but he shouldn’t be the frontrunner for DPOY.

[HaleParticipant]

No, Roy Hibbert should be the frontrunner. When players shoot at the rim against him they are only shooting 41.4% on nearly 10 attempts per game. That’s over 2% better than anyone else who is in contention for the award right now (3.5% better than Davis). He’s also the anchor for the hands down best defense in the NBA. As we have seen in the past with Serge Ibaka (who’s playing much better this year) blocked shots don’t mean anything in terms of how good you are defensively. Not to say Anthony Davis isn’t a great defender but he shouldn’t be the frontrunner for DPOY.

[apb540Participant]

Everyone does realize the garbage in the frontcourt with AD, right? Steimsma, Ajinca, Smith (hurt), Withey, and Anderson (hurt) are some of the worst defenders in the whole stinkin’ league.

[jwall1Participant]

 Exactly, and THAT is why his blocked shots per game are so inflated…..

[jwall1Participant]

 Exactly, and THAT is why his blocked shots per game are so inflated…..

[Hacker90Participant]

very well could be true. I just really think even if he was next to Hibbert or Dwight, he would still average around 3 BPG. He’s just a very gifted athlete/defender 

[Hacker90Participant]

very well could be true. I just really think even if he was next to Hibbert or Dwight, he would still average around 3 BPG. He’s just a very gifted athlete/defender 

[apb540Participant]

Everyone does realize the garbage in the frontcourt with AD, right? Steimsma, Ajinca, Smith (hurt), Withey, and Anderson (hurt) are some of the worst defenders in the whole stinkin’ league.

[Kleb2424Participant]

 If I was starting a franchise and got to pick any player besides Lebron or Durant to start with it would be Anthony Davis. 

[Kleb2424Participant]

 If I was starting a franchise and got to pick any player besides Lebron or Durant to start with it would be Anthony Davis. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Anthony Davis is killing it this year.  Let’s just all hope he stays healthy.  If so, he will be a beast for a decade or more.  Before the draft, I compared him to Pervis Ellison.  Pervis had a great college career too and won a title as a freshman.  He was injured too much and is considered to be a bust by some.

But, Pervis Ellison had a great third season, but that was before injuries took over again.

Here is something interesting.  Check out Pervis’ stats from his third season to Anthony Davis so far this year:

Pervis Ellison: 20.0 points, 11.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 2.7 blocks, and 0.9 steals.  .539% FG % .728% FT%

Anthony Davis: 20.4 points, 10.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 3.4 blocks, 1.5 steals.  .515% FG%  .761% FT%

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Anthony Davis is killing it this year.  Let’s just all hope he stays healthy.  If so, he will be a beast for a decade or more.  Before the draft, I compared him to Pervis Ellison.  Pervis had a great college career too and won a title as a freshman.  He was injured too much and is considered to be a bust by some.

But, Pervis Ellison had a great third season, but that was before injuries took over again.

Here is something interesting.  Check out Pervis’ stats from his third season to Anthony Davis so far this year:

Pervis Ellison: 20.0 points, 11.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 2.7 blocks, and 0.9 steals.  .539% FG % .728% FT%

Anthony Davis: 20.4 points, 10.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 3.4 blocks, 1.5 steals.  .515% FG%  .761% FT%

 

[MorseWillParticipant]

Interesting similarities between the two seasons, but it’s worth noting that Ellison would have been about four years older in his third season than Davis is now as he played all four years of college, and one more year in the league.

[MorseWillParticipant]

Interesting similarities between the two seasons, but it’s worth noting that Ellison would have been about four years older in his third season than Davis is now as he played all four years of college, and one more year in the league.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Anthony Davis is having a great season but I’d think other guys are ahead of him for DPOY but I would be interested to see if he sneaks into one of the All Defensive teams, that would be fair recognition for him

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Anthony Davis is having a great season but I’d think other guys are ahead of him for DPOY but I would be interested to see if he sneaks into one of the All Defensive teams, that would be fair recognition for him

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Yea, let’s not give the DPOY award to the defensive leader and player holding down the middle for the best defensive team in the league. That’s great logic. 

The Pacers have very good individual defenders, but make no mistake about it… They’ve been the defensive team they’ve been the last two or three seasons because of Roy Hibbert. When he’s out of the game, the difference is significant. He makes everyone better and covers up their mistakes. He’s the reason the Pacers perimeter defenders can put more pressure on the perimeter. IF not for Vogel leaving Hibbert on the bench game one vs the Heat last season in the playoffs, the Pacers probably win that series. There’s no way LeBron gets that layup with Hibbert out there. LeBron probably shoots a jumper instead. 

Stats are great and all, but you can’t always use stats to determine how great or impactful a defender is. Roy Hibbert may not lead the league in blocks, but he probably changes more shots and deters would be rim attackers moer than anybody in the league. Players just have such a hard time finishing when he’s around the rim. There is not another player in the NBA who’s mastered the "rule of verticality" the way he has. Not only is he a great help defender, he’s also great defending his own man. He’s a great leader and communicator. 

There’s no doubt whatsoever that up until this point, he’s by far the DPOY. 

 

 

  

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Yea, let’s not give the DPOY award to the defensive leader and player holding down the middle for the best defensive team in the league. That’s great logic. 

The Pacers have very good individual defenders, but make no mistake about it… They’ve been the defensive team they’ve been the last two or three seasons because of Roy Hibbert. When he’s out of the game, the difference is significant. He makes everyone better and covers up their mistakes. He’s the reason the Pacers perimeter defenders can put more pressure on the perimeter. IF not for Vogel leaving Hibbert on the bench game one vs the Heat last season in the playoffs, the Pacers probably win that series. There’s no way LeBron gets that layup with Hibbert out there. LeBron probably shoots a jumper instead. 

Stats are great and all, but you can’t always use stats to determine how great or impactful a defender is. Roy Hibbert may not lead the league in blocks, but he probably changes more shots and deters would be rim attackers moer than anybody in the league. Players just have such a hard time finishing when he’s around the rim. There is not another player in the NBA who’s mastered the "rule of verticality" the way he has. Not only is he a great help defender, he’s also great defending his own man. He’s a great leader and communicator. 

There’s no doubt whatsoever that up until this point, he’s by far the DPOY. 

 

 

  

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Blocks are almost seen as a glamour stat, the shot altering or detering that Indyball talks about are just as important but cannot be quantified via stats.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Blocks are almost seen as a glamour stat, the shot altering or detering that Indyball talks about are just as important but cannot be quantified via stats.

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