Wow...Andrew Wiggins is the best highschool player in the nation NOT Jabari Parker.
Just watching the speed and his fluid movement on the basketball court at his size is astonishing. He is going to be a monster.
I watched the Peach Jam game online and it was by far one of the best AAU games I've ever seen. Wiggins had 28 and 13, Randle had 15 and 13, and Matt Jones lit it up for 26. Wiggins guarded Randle the whole game and since Randle for the most part has been putting up 30+ points a game at this event, I think Wiggins did a great job.
If Jabari Parker had Wiggins athleticism he would be the best player in the nation because of his skill set...but Wiggins is catching up to Jabari in that department as well.
I'd say he's the best prospect I've seen since maybe KD and Greg Oden and maybe even before that. He is going to make FSU or Kentucky fans VERY happy one day...
It might sound a bit exaggerating but i think Andrew Wiggins is in the Lebron James athleticism level
Randle has some moves for a PF
Both of these guys are gonna be stars in the league. Wiggins talent and athleticism speaks for itself and Randle's ability to faceup, put the ball on the floor with his handle and get by people is incredible for a power forward.
I think Randle is going to be a stud but I wouldn't definitively say Randle will be a star in the league yet..
He's consistently shown that he can dominate using his size and just bulldoze his defenders when he's matched up with a smaller player. But he has also consistently shown that this style doesn't usually work against players of similar size and athleticism ala Wiggins.
He can dominate high school players with this style but it'll be interesting to see how he adapts when he won't be able to push college let alone NBA bigs so easily.
You make zero sense considering the fact Randle doesnt just bulldoze players and had dominated against guys who are his size and bigger constantly. He is work against D.Coleman last year, Isaah Austin from mid range and drives, Noel,Tarz,Cliff Anderson,Shaq Cleare.
And even if that was true (which it is not) was Webber,Shaq,Zbo,Blake, and every NBA big man bulldozing players in H.S then college then e NBA?
Did you watch any of the Peach Jam games? And I'm not saying he won't be successful, I'm saying it'll be interesting to see if he is as effective against college and NBA bigs because most of his points in highschool are usually accumulated because he is bigger and more powerful than everyone else. He is a man among boys.
I've watched 8 of his games from the past two years that's why I know he's more than just a bulldozer. Do you remember other NBA bigs in H.S? Remember how they bulldozed players in H.S then did the same in H.S then the NBA while adding more to their game? So why exactly can't randle do that? Isn't all NBA bigs men amoung boys when they are in H.S? And how many college bigs are 6'9 240 with Randles skill set? Add to the fact that he can handle, has a consistent midrange and will get stronger in a year
It's convenient that you point to All-time greats as your example that guys who bull doze in highschool will be able to be stars in the league.
There are twice as many players that you did not list that did NOT do well in the NBA. I don't think Randle will be one of them but I just wanted to point out that faulty in your logic.
Randle has a lot of work to do, but the thing is you can tell he's intensely competitive and has a great work ethic because he's trimmed down considerably since I saw him play in March.
Why are you so sensitive about Randle? I never said he wouldn't be a great college or NBA player, I just said it was too early to tell if he will be. He does however have a lot of the intangibles that could lead him to reach that status.
wiggins > randle
akhan on wiggins
""Just watching the speed and his fluid movement on the basketball court at his size is astonishing. He is going to be a monster.""
Wiggins is the best NBA prospect regardless of class. I like Randle but he is a tweener, and unless he finds a position he wont has the impact of Wiggins or Parker when they reach the pros. On the collegiate level I think Randle will be a beast, but he must defined his position, as for Wiggins, sky is the limit. Would have loved to see Parker and Wiggins go at it.
sick sick kids BOTH.. i love Randle a lot too and i think by the time of all those allstar games next year he could be number one over Parker but Wiggins is number regardless class... i see Wiggins as a next basketball prodigy
It was an interesting games and Wiggins was absolutely the best player on the court. However we must be careful. One thing is to be focused on such games another thing is to be a franchise player. For example with canadian national team Wiggins was no way a factor and Brazil slowly outplayed Canada. No one, Randle, Jabari or Wiggins is a complete player, today and there is a long way to go. I think Jabari has the potential to be a star like Paul Pierce o Joe Johnson, Wiggins in on the way of Lebron e Durant. I have some problems about Randle, is super at this leveI but i fear that there is a risk tweener in NBA view
I love Wiggins' willingness to take on Randle even though he is somewhat undersized; he wants to be the best and is willing to take is lumps if it helps him in the long-run. Honestly, I don't think Randle will do that well in the pros, he's excelled with his physicality and size, but that just won't be a consistent advantage at higher levels, and it might be too late for him to develop other aspects of his game.
I'd much rather a late bloomer than an early bloomer; late bloomers have had to deal with being undersized etc. for the majority of high school, but early bloomers have gotten away with poor fundamentals because of their advanced physical attributes for the majority of high school.
MKG comes to mind as a good example; he was rated as the best player regardless of class relatively early in his career; but his win-first mentality meant he had to score in the paint; which somewhat hindered his perimeter offensive skills - a big hindrance at the next level. Obviously he was selected 2nd overall so it worked out okay for him, but that hitch in his jumper still worries me and he could be the poster-boy for players who peaked to early and never lived up to the hype.
As an aside, I just want to point out that this is the last thing I wasnt to happen to MKG, and I hope he can address his deficiencies with his great work ethic and live up to his billing; but his preparation at the high school and college level just strikes me as insufficient.
i hate to be a hater but last video (when rankle won) i was saying how he was kind of tweener and got like 11 negs. together with everyone who criticized him.
here you can def. see how he like to over-truck, like i was saying
If everything works out right, the Canadian National team is going to have a bright future.
Lol. Have to laugh at some of e comments of people who have not watched Randle other than highlife and maybe a game. calling him a tweener. The guy has a 7'2 wingspan, very athletic and 6'8 bare feet with a very advanced back to the basket game and handles plus a jumper that the just started using the past year and a half. Before that he used to just dominate on the block.
Some watch one game and thinks that's how Randles game is all the time and now you are a expert scout on him. Forget the fact that other scouts have watched him plenty of times and say countless times that he can either overpower you, hit midrange, handle or kill you with post moves. Also ignore the fact that just about every big man doesn't have post moves as a rising Sr but Randle does and he will get better before going to the NBA ( news flash his game is not done growing).
He has proven that he is the second best player in the nation (behind Wiggins who is just ridiculously good) and he proved against bigger players that he can beat you with skills and quickness. Just like that uncle or father who is bigger than you when you are young he will just overpower you she you are smaller because that is what a bigger stronger big man does. That's what Webber did in H.S, that's what Blake did, Thomas Robunson, Amare,Z-Bo,K-Love,Bynum,Howard,Hibbert,Lopez,Millslap. It's funny how they continued to do that it college and the NBA after doing that in H.S all while adding more skills to their game
Randle does not have a 7'2" wingspan. Last yr his wingspan measured out 6'10" (6'11" this yr but LBJ Skills Academy measurements can be dubious). His handle is nice for a current PF, but I think his future is at the 3 since he has below average length for the 4. I think he'll become what Beasley was supposed to become. I can see him being a power, slashing 3 with better passing skills and much more toughness.
Another reason why I think he'll eventually transition to the 3 is because he's starting that transition right now. He's already trying to extend his range and take guys off the dribble from further out. Even in his interviews he's saying that he doesnt want to be classified at any certain position, which, if you read b/t the lines, means he doesnt want to be considered a PF.
I agree completely. And to those who think he would sturggle adapting to the NBA because he won't have a size advantage there: he won't have a size advantage but he will have a speed/quickness advantage against 4's in the league (yes he will definately be a 4). I can't think of one PF in the nba who has his blend of quickness and handles. He is gonna be a SERIOUS offensive threat.
@redone1; Josh Smith has those quickness and handles; I can see Randle having a similar career path to him, except he seemingly has a better jumper than Smoove does.
once wiggins gets more of that killer instinct, he'll be even better. this is the year he realized how good he is
wiggins > randle > parker atm.
Yeah Randle may have looked kinda one dimensional in these highlights... But he was also going one on one against a great defender in Wiggins. Randle will be a complete mismatch at the power forward spot in the NBA as long as he can keep adding strength to make sure hes able to defend the bigger players.
As for Wiggins, he looks like a complete stud offensively and defensively. His defense on Randle looked really good as he was always staying infront of him and keeping his body and arms straight up. If Wiggins adds strength to his frame and keeps his unmatched speed and athleticism he could be a top 10 defender in the NBA.
He was going one on three. Every time he would drive the other bigs on CIA bounce. Wiggins was the primary defender but got help once Randle got in the paint. Great defense scheme by Wiggins and the coach. Makes it that much harder for a force like Randle
Wiggins is the better player, but strength has to be on the top of his list of things to get better at, because Randle was going THRU him.
I was at the event sitting in the first row behind the scorers table and saw Randle play twice that day. This is my evaluation on him - http://nbaprospects.blogspot.com/2012/07/nba-scouting-report-julius-rand...
Ive seen Wiggins play in person at 3 different events now and he is definitely the best player in high school. I wrote this about Wiggins the first time I saw him - http://nbaprospects.blogspot.com/2012/03/andrew-wiggins-next-big-thing.html
Since then, in only 4 months, he has really improved the form on his jumper. I need to get an updated report out on Wiggins, especially since I didnt cover his game in-depth in that one.
I was at the whole peach jam and watched both Randle and Wiggins several times. They both dominated every single game before they played each other. Before the game Wiggins suggested to guard Randle even though there was a big weight and height difference. Wiggins dominated Randle on every possesion. In the first half Wiggins held Randle to only one feild goal attempt. Every time Randle went on the block he couldn't get anything on the smaller and weaker Randle. Wiggins even called for isos on Randle and Wiggins took him down on the block and dominated him every time. Randle is definitely better against weaker competiton, so he will be a great college player, but when it comes to the NBA people will be his size and he will not be as dominant. I think Wiggins will succeed at every level.
yea go ahead and draft randle to "be a mismatch" and skip on the next great wings. i think parker and wiggins will be so much better is not even funny. teamjosh04 wrote THE BEST ARTICLE ON RANDLE. ^^ check it out ^^
randle is a man amongst boys dominating using strength. got over rated skillet, and poor body language. he's a high usage player who like to pound the ball and surely dominate at the high school level with big question marks going into the future. yes he is young and has room to grow but he has shown very little will to play the PnR or any sort of catch and shoot. so he must be a beast in the block right? while that might be the case in HS like i said previously, his post moves are very little "skill reliant" as he is just able to overpower and truck thru defenders. but he is not a SF either in my eyes, his handles are too high and he fits a mold of a face up forward with stable no jump shot.
he doesn't strike me as a very willing, in your face defender.
RANDLE IS VERY OVERRATED, give me wiggins, parker, any harrison twin or kasey hill (which should be ranked over james young).
i just saw grizzfan's post above me lol, he had been here for 3 years without posting anything and even he felt like he had to let it be known. we basically talked about the same
Right now, I'd take Wiggins. Randle is a tweener right now, but I think he'll end up making the transition the the 3 as a pro. He's already started gravitating to the perimeter more and has below-average length for a PF.