[tiberiusParticipant]

 Hey everyone I’m new to the forum 🙂 and wanted to ask for your oppinions about 2 of my favorite upcoming nba stars. After having read countless articles about both of these players as well as having watched nearly all of their highlights, I was wondering which of the two you would prefer to draft when starting a franchise as well as which of the two will make a more immediate impact when coming to the nba?

Yes I know that despite their grade difference, they are pretty much the same age which brings us a stark reminder of the disparity in their skills. In my oppinion I really see Parker as the more skilled player because of his very polished offensive game as well as abilities in a slow pace game which involves moving the ball around and slowing the tempo down. Wiggins on the other hannd is an athletic specimen unlike any that has been seen in the past recent years with the exception of lebron james, derrick rose and john wall in terms of combinations of speed, quickness, and ability to play above the rim both in transition and in regular play. Wiggins however has a very promissing jumper that he knocks down already with great consistency. As well as promissing passing ability, ball handling ability and defensive ability. 

So my question to you is who would you rather draft if you were to start a franchise with?

[JMIKE is a Grizz fanParticipant]

Welcome!

[RigelzParticipant]

Both, Jabari and Andrew will be NBA stars. I think Jabari is more polished today. But Andrew’s atheticism is something unsound and you can’t teach it. I thing Wiggins has the upper ceiling even if Parker has his very good tools. 

[the I in winParticipant]

I would take Jabari because although I think is ceiling is lower, his basement is higher.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I seen Jabari play like 3 times, and I just haven’t came away as impressed as I thought I would’ve been. His an average athlete with a slow first step, and I didn’t really come impressed w/ his skill set either. This dude is being as "the best prospect since LeBron," They’re putting too much pressure on the kid, and I don’t think he’ll meet expectations. He didn’t dominate in any of the games I saw, and I’m not sure he has the athleticism or skills do dominate at the next level.

Wiggins is definitely the better prospect IMO. Wiggin salready has NBA level athleticism. I’m not seeing that w/ Jabari right now. Add in an improving skill set, and you have a great prospect.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Parker doesn’t have to dominate games for his team to win because he has one of the best well rounded teams in the nation look at how many prospects they have other than him

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 I would take Wiggins, they both will be good players but Wiggins athleticism is far superior it is my deciding factor. Although they are the same age Parker has had a better level of comp for his whole career hence he is ahead skill wise. That gap though is closing rapidly, more rapidly than I ever thought it would. Everytime you see  AW play it seems like he has gotten better, his range, jumper, and handle have improved a ton in just one year. 

Also I see AW with the ability to be a lock down defender. He has already shown the desire to be great defender asking to cover shabazz in hoop summit. With his length and speed laterally he will impact game on both end especially as he fills out and adds strength.

JP will be a lot like Joe Johnson great skill strong and multi all-star. AW is in the LBJ, Rose, Durrant  catergory guys that are MVP candidates from about their 3rd year on and franchise changers.

[lalailaParticipant]

I now it’s perrenial thing that the guy who is the best hs player in Jabari Parker and most polished in like 5yrs gets hypes because there is no need to hype other guys over him.. but he isn’t special at ANYTHING..he can shhot at very early age but he doesn’t look to be Ray Allen he isn’t athletic freak by any means not explosive not quick, he has nice pretty big body but already a little baby fat on him, also people compare him to Durant because of height/length i mean c’mon he measured 6’8 and 6’11 wingspan even if he is still growing he won’t be 6’11 7’5wings freak like KD..

on the other hand he is still very skilled very versitile well sized and has some athletic abilities so i see future allstar conterder i see future top3-top5 pick but not clear number one and not LeBron James.2 at all..

 

while wiggins looks to be something special he is raw but he improves on and on and becomes pretty as much unreachible in his class like Jabari among seniors, and his athleticism first step leaping it’s something spetacular for a 17yo kid, he is coming into that young Kobe or Vinsanity level i think..i like him veyr much

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 I am not sure how old you are but a young Ray Allen was a great athlete when he came out of Uconn. His great shooting has always overshadowed that. He never slashed as much as he could or developed a killer handle because he is such a great shooter but don’t sleep he was a elite athlete.

[bloodshyParticipant]

People are acting like the kid has low athleticism or something, which is comical.  He’s extremely athletic–NBA level athletic.  No, he’s not quite where Wiggins is, but he’s clearly going to be a solid athlete in the NBA and his skills are already highly refined.  Barring injury, Jabari’s floor is as a solid starter in the NBA, which is remarkable considering he’s still in HS.  I also like Parker because we know a lot about him already and he really impresses on the human level.  He’s a natural leader that is unlikely to ever embarrass your team.  Obviously, I’d be ecstatic if my team landed either of these future NBA stars, but if I could pick one right now, I’d go with Jabari.

[joecheck88Participant]

 I truly think both can be great players. I think Jabari will hands down be the better college player. I think he will have a Michael Beasley like freshman year. I think in the NBA Parker can be a Paul Pierce/Joe Johnson type scorer. Andrew Wiggins on the other hand I think will have less of an impact on the college game. In the NBA though, I think he has superstar written all over him. I don’t even really have a comparison for him right now. He will need to get stronger and I think he will. He is a super athletic 6’7" SF. His shot isn’t great but the dude seems like a workhorse. I think he has the ability to put up close to Lebron numbers when he gets to the league. Not the passer Lebron is but there are only a few PGs with lebrons vision. I see Wiggins as 25ppg plus 7rpg and 5apg player. Like was also said, I see the ability in him to be an elite defender. 

 

[theONEweALLknowParticipant]

 i will take jabari parker seeming most of yah are saying wiggins ceiling is higher and jabari is already polished and wont add more to his game you should note that jabari is only 16 and is younger then wiggins is! i will take the ALREADY polished game who is younger and has more time to grow. the kid is a leader on the court even at a young age he has a very good jumpshot and he has a great back to the basket game which is why many are comparing him to carmelo so thats who i will take if im starting a franchise the leader who plays good defense and already has great knowledge of the game

[HaleParticipant]

I haven’t seen a ton of Parker but I know he’d have to be pretty damn good to be better then Wiggins. I think Wiggins is a future superstar. The dude is amazing. He’s a breathtaking athlete, who’s developed into a fantastic shooter and his overall skill level has grown exponentially in the past year. Like someone else already said, he also has the potential to be a true lockdown defender as well.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

I think they’ll both be special players in the NBA.  Hard to choose right now if you’re taking one or the other.

[Toronto16Participant]

 Wiggins for sure

[tuck243Participant]

Andrew Wiggins for as good as he is, is NOT  near LeBron James PLEASE stop the comparisons…  At this age LeBron was 6-8 and 240 pounds…  Andrew is 6-7 and a measley 200 pounds…  What separted LeBron from any other HS player that ever played was his elite level court vision to go along with outstanding athletic ability and strength…   Andrew is just very explosive…  He’s closer to Iggy than he is LeBron…  And to be honest he’s the 6-7 version of Russell Westbrook scoring wise…  He’s very ball dominate and although his skills have improved he still relies on transition and driving to get majority of his points…  A little raw still…  His handle is getting better, but I don’t know if he even needs a crazy handle because his first step is THAT good…  I really do like him, but at this point he’s not better than Jabari who seems to do everything very good…  Plus Andrew isn’t as nearly as strong as Jabari is…  

Listed at 6-8 220…  I’ll be willing to bet Bari is closer to 230 now…   He has shed a lot of that baby fat from years ago and before the injury Parker showed his bounce PLENTY of times…  Long arms and slick handles has given Jabari the needed separtion to get his shot off…   Somebody said he tries so hard to get past people ala Harrison Barnes…  Everytime I seen Jabari play he ALWAYS counter his lack of first step with his handles or quick attack decisions…  Something that LeBron need to do more often (I’m telling you if Bron attack quicker instead of holding the ball he becomes virtually unstoppable, ala Boston Game 6) and Harrison Barnes (who isn’t as strong as Bron so it’s really NO POINT at all for him to do that)…  It’s very few players in the league that has that very quick first step anyway…  And I’m sorry LeBron doesn’t have it…  Neither does KD, Kobe, Gay, Melo, CP3…  Elite players with first steps are Wade, Westbrook, D. Rose, Iggy, Deron Williams, and for big men Blake Griffin & D12 punk ass… Given that, although not having a first step is a little harder for Bari to get loose it’s not that big of a deal…  He’s not undersized AT ALL…  If he was OJ Mayo size then that argument make sense…  He’s 6’8 220, which is perfect size for a NBA SF…   So, please stop comparing him to the ball stopper Harrison Barnes…  His court vision is much better, he makes quicker decisions, and his handle is more like Durantla…  

Truth be told you could go either way depending on who you are…  I would rather have Jabari because he already have everything you want…  Andrew has a better ceiling because of that first step and transition game…  With the ability to improve dramatically over a course of a year…  Both are good kids and the same age…  To me Jabari is just better…

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 NOBDOY will ever compare to Lebron is HS again, once in a lifetime prospect, please quit it.

Lebron went straight from HS to the NBA averaging 20,5,5, dudes game was on 20 different levels.

Stop it thanks.

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

 Where exactly do you see people saying he is near Lebron@tuck?  I’m guessing you’re talking about another post because no one in this one said he is and that’s because he doesn’t have the body

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

 Not sure if you have watched Wiggins this year but he doesn’t just score because he’s athletic. He hits pull up jumpers, has a great jab step, good cross over, triple threat etc. his skill level has improved at a very rapid pace. There are a lot of very good athletes out there who haven’t been in the discussion for top player who are in a class higher. Parker is still more skilled overall but the gap is smaller than it once was.  The fact that Parker has been hurt most of the summer is going to cause him to lose his spot to Wiggins or Randle

 

 

[chocboywndrParticipant]

When people compare him to Lebron what I believe they are saying is that he is the best since lebron not that he plays like lebron. While I agree he is not near the passer lebron is in terms of defending in high school Wiggins is far superior. That is not say Lebron couldnt have defended in high school he just didnt.

In terms of Jabari as I have said before he is Joe Johnson to me all the skills just not the elite athleticism. Wiggins is not as skilled overall as Jabari but the gap this time last year was very wide. Now that gap has closed significatly in just one year playing against top competition day in day out. Wiggins is continuing to close gap and there is reallly nothing that Jabari can do about it Jabari is much closer to his celing than Wiggins is. The ease with which Wiggins adds new skills and his ability to incorprate them into his game is what makes him special. I really do not think there is an GM right now that if he had to pick between the 2 that would pick Jabari that is not a knock against him just speaks to the fact that Wiggins looks like he will be a first teir star a la Lebron, KD, Kobe while Jabari looks more like second teir Joe Johnson, Amare, James Harden.

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

 You’re comparing Lebron in the NBA as a young defender. Lebron in H.S was a much better defender than Wiggins. bron used to shut players DOWN he guarded other too players and completely shut them down. Remember the high scoring Lenny Cooke who would drop 40 on people or loue Deng?   That’s one thing scouts talk about with Wiggins, that he takes plays off on defense from time to time but he has the potential to be a great defender

 

Parker looks more like Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson was never this good in H.S and didn’t have the all around game or high IQ that Parker has. Parker may not jump out the jump but he still catches big men bodies when he dunks.   People pick Wiggins because of his athletic ability mostly and his skill second while Parker is picked for the other way around.  As athletic Wiggins is that’s how skilled Parker is.  Both players have  NBA All Star ceilings

[tuck243Participant]

Countless times on this site Wiggins have been compared to LeBron athletically…  Which isn’t the case…  Like I said before he’s improved but MAJORITY of his points DOES come from transition and drives…  His first step is extremely lethal though as only few in the NBA possess it…  Yes, I have seen him this year but although he has improved he’s not THAT great…  I think it’s more about people being amazed that he improved in the areas where he was dramatically weak at…  Just because he improved those areas doesn’t mean he is now a LOCK to be on Kobe, LeBron, and KD level is basically what I’m trying to say…  One thing I do like is his scoring instincts which is much better at this age than Iggy was…  To me Wiggins was no different than DeMar DeRozan from a few years ago in high school athletically, the only thing that separted him was his instincts and will to take over…  Now Wiggins has an improved game he is much of a better prospect than DeRozan ever was…  BUT with all that said Jabari is still better than both…

Yall really act like KD, Kobe, Melo, Rudy Gay, or LeBron has this ridiculous first step…  THIS IS SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH…  Majority of them use skill, length, and/or strength to get separation…  Like I said Jabari isn’t OJ in size…  He was measured at 6’9 in shoes and 222 pounds a year ago…  To go along with 6’11 arms, the dude is long as hell…  Everytime I see him play he has added something to his game, this time last year he wasn’t playing in the post like he does now…  

Wiggins got something that most players in the NBA don’t have and that’s that first step, but he is more like Westbrook without the passing and at SF…  I guess it depends on what you prefer…  Would you take a 19 year old Westbrook or a 19 Melo???  Which is what Jabari’s game is closer to…  I would be incline to say his attack to the rim, transition, or shiftyness (yes I created this word…) is Durant like…  Athletic ability is around Melo, but slightly better…  Especially since he’s longer than him, he won’t have that much of a problem in the league… I don’t think its fair to compare a player like Jabari athletic ability to someone like Wiggins because CLEARLY Wiggins first step is better than majority of NBA elites…

For the record, Jabari plays NOTHING like Joe Johnson outside of passing and demeanor…  Get real

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

That’s why I said this post. And you seem to forget all those players first step looked unstoppable in H.S as well. KD,Kobe,Melo all had very quick first steps that they used in H?S. I know because I watched each one in H.S (played in beach ball classic against Kobe’s team). I never watched Gay in H.S so I can’t speak about him. I will say that Wiggins is better overall at the same stage in H.S but his first step is not superior to theirs at the same stage. And I still haven’t seen a first step like Satckhouse when he was in H.S as far as sg,Sf.

In any case it doesn’t matter because those players have made it big in the NBA and Wiggins has not. As good as he is there have been other players as good in the past that didn’t live up to what people expected them to. NOTHING is guaranteed when it comes to young basketball player. It’s not a given that he will reach his potential or any of these players will so it’s dumb to compare these guys saying they are better when they haven’t even made it to college yet. Of course some fans like to do this every single time a young kid is very good (see Harrison Barnes when he was in H.S)

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 First of all if you think that Joe Johnson is not a very good player and take that as slap in the face then you are confused. Joe Johnson is a high skilled player you may not like his demeanor or something but if Jabari becomes a similar game in NBA maybe with different mental make up he will have a very good career.

To act like all Wiggins has is first step is also silly. You watch the highlights of him vs Randle from a day ago and you have to be kidding. Is he lethal in transition yes, but he scores in the half court also will defend at least 1 through 4 on high school level. Jabari is great do not get me wrong but the comparison between him being Melo and Wiggins being Westbrook is way off. Jabari is far more all around player than Melo will ever be,  Wiggins  is headed in the Durant direction in terms of being just an unstoppable scorer and solid rebounder with the bonus of lock down defending skills.

Nobody knows what the future hold both could not turn out to be the players we project beoth could surpass expectations. I will stand behind my statement if you got 10 gm in a room and polled them Wiggins wins easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYpwWYw7lvc

[tuck243Participant]

This is simply UNTRUE…  Kobe is the only player on that list that in HIGH SCHOOL had an incredible first step…  At an age of 33 it’s just not the case…  But we are also talking about 20 years ago…  With advancement in technologies and pure evolution, I’m more than willing to believe Wiggins first step would’ve been CRAZY back then…  No, I’m not saying Wiggins is a better player at that age, just a better athlete…  As far as Melo and KD, I’ve seen both in person… AAU tourney’s AND games…  Both played for Oak Hill…  Neither had a crazy first step…  Dominate offensively and in transition yes…  But not a very quick first step…  LeBron didn’t either, as he is more of pick up speed than first step, like a Randy Moss… Wiggins has the best first step I’ve seen in HS since DeRozon (and Wiggins is better than his)…  Maybe Derrick Rose would be the equivalent I’ve seen…  

Stanford Hoops24…  Why do you feel as if I’m directing all of my posts towards you???  You haven’t said anything that we don’t already know…  And like "I" said, on this SITE not thread…  I also said it was no point to create another thread that’s why I said what I said in my original post…  Nobody is saying that they are going to be better…  BUT given their skills and length at this stage with attitude towards basketball/life…  Jabari and Wiggins will be solid NBA players and lock to be potential super stars…  

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 Allen Iverson had a sick first step in HS as well, he was a 2guard as well in the NBA.

[tuck243Participant]

You gotta be kidding me…

 I’ve never said Joe Johnson is a terrible player but Jabari plays NOTHING like him…  At all…  Around 6’6/6’7 and highly skilled that’s the only comparisons they have, outside of demeanor and passing…  Jabari can be very shifty and kill in the low post…  Joe Johnson is more of a shooter than slasher…  Jabari plays more like Durant than Wiggins… And standing at 6’9 with close to a 7 feet reach Jabari looks the part…  

For the record Wiggins isn’t anywhere near Durant at this age in the skills department…  Durant was a great shooter at the age of 5…  Wiggins just got a realible shot…  Also, showing up to play defense on one of the best players in the country is incredible, but something that he doesn’t show consistently…  He was more trying to PROVE that he could gaurd Randle… But nonetheless he did an excellant job considering Juluis was much stronger than he is…

His first step isn’t the only thing he has as I pointed this out plenty of times, it’s just VERY lethal… And seriously I almost punched my computer when you said the "Highlights" of the game versus Randle…  It didn’t show you the misses Wiggins had, who shot FAWKING terrible the first half of that game…   With a good 20 points coming in the second half and overtime, majority coming through transition (where he thrives), just being faster than everyone, and/or hussle points…  They still BARELY won…  Yea he normally outscores the other team’s best player it’s rare that he actually win the game though…  I don’t think he has ever beaten Jabari…  And barely got passed Ju Ju (who had Matt Jones but still)…  Please stop watching YouTube videos and go watch these guys play a real game…  Trust me of all the makes Wiggins have there are A LOT of terrible plays and misses…  He’s improved, but it’s very streaky…  Still raw…

[derrickrose231Participant]

 i like jabari right now but 3 or 4 years from now it will be wiggins cause hes a crazy athlete and isnt  a terrible shooter

 

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

 Yep you obviously didn’t watch those other guys in H.S if you don’t think they had fast first steps.   Damn I forgot about Iverson.  Too be honest I’m starting to remember other guys who’s first step were as fast or faster

 

Tracy McGrady

Val Brown

Johnatan Hargett

Archie Miller

Johnny Hemsley

Tony Stanly

Steve Francis these are just guys I have played with or against that I have seen first hand how quick their first steps are. Wiggins has a quick one but it’s not best ever quick

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

 Yeah but how many times has crazy athletic not end up  being better than crazy skilled ?  We can make a list of players who were more athletic than Zbo,Paul P, KLove  who ended up not being as good. Not saying Wiggins won’t because I can’t recall a player off e top of my head who was as athletic and skilled at the same stage other than Lebron but he’s not a 100 percent lock.   It’s scary that he has two more years in H.S ( even thoug he’s older than some Srs including Parker)

[chocboywndrParticipant]

I get it you love Jabari thats cool. There is no doubt Jabari is skill wise ahead so you have that one. The fact is simple Wiggins is quickly closing the gap on Jabari his skills are expanding quicker than any player in high school. Athletically he is superior and considering he has only been in the US for less than a full year going up against top competition the fact that he hasnt beaten Jabari really doesnt matter to me.We can go back and forth all you want I simply believe Wiggins is better now not more skilled but better if I was picking a team he would be my first pick over anyone in high school. I think he will be the better pro, that is not because of you tube and highlights the kid is straight up for real. That doesnt mean Jabari is not gonna be good to it just means I think he isnt as good as Wiggins now or will be later. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, the future will prove who is right.

[tuck243Participant]

you guys are debating just for the sake of debating or actually believe what you’re saying make sense…  Because I’m clueless…

Stanford Hoops24-  I am so glad that you played ball against top competition, but don’t allow you memory (or lack of defense) cloud your judgement…  Never did I once say Wiggins first step is the best ever…  Just one that is on an elite level RIGHT NOW…  Going back to give me Steve Francis, Marbury, Tracy, or a young Kobe isn’t going to help your argument…  Because NONE of them are going to be his peers…  I only compared his first step to elite players in the league currently…  Which everyone I named are the only stars that rival him as far as first steps…  I also stated everyone who doesn’t have a quick first step to show you Jabari doesn’t NEED one, just would be good to have one…  Melo, Kobe, and Durant are very shifty when they are attacking… Don’t get this confused with a great first step…

Chocboywnder- Melo is a Top 10 player and borderline Top 5 when he’s motivated, so YOU said that Jabari will be MUCH better than Melo is saying a lot…  And by saying Wiggins (who is older than Parker) will be better than Parker is essentially saying he’s gonna be Top 3 at least…  What I’m basically saying is that in order to do that you need skills to go along with a Godly body at your position…  Be it’s strength and/or length is the only way that can happen… LeBron has weight and strength w/ speed… Durant has length w/ speed… D12 has strength w/ speed… D. Rose (healthy of course) has strength w/ speed…  Given that Wiggins is just 6-7 and only 200 pounds he’s not a lock to be Top 3…  You pushing it…  This is why I said he’s the 6-7 version of Westbrook… That’s not a knock on him AT ALL… Westbrook is one of the best players in the league, fast, an All-Star, a scorer at 23 ppg, rebounder, a defensive specialist at times, with a streaky shot…  Wiggins plays SF though, so I really don’t know how this will translate…   The only players I can think of is DeRozan, but a better scorer…

For sh!ts and giggles- Even though Wiggins has improved he’s NOT the scorer Durant was/is and probably never will be…  Durant’s shooting ability helps him A LOT…  He’s a much better shooter than Wiggins PERIOD… With everything said, I wanna see his game progress with time…  He has improved a lot, but not enough for me to put him ahead of Jabari at this time…  Given the fact that he can improve dramatically over a short period of time is impressive, but it has to remain consistent…  Eventually if he gains a go to move or a great jumper I’ll have no problem saying he could be a Top 3 player…  Currently right now outside of his first step/athleticism nothing he does is great…  Getting better??? Yes… Great??? No…

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 You seem to want argue a point you cannot prove. First of all Melo is top 10 but is also a ball stopper who passes as a last resort and doesn’t seem to make the players around him better. For that matter when he left Denver they played better without him than they did with him as did the knicks. I think Jabari will not have that issue so while I do not think he is the scorer Melo is I do see him as a better teammate and therefore a better player if he reaches his max ceiling.

Wiggins is thin but he is also 17. I do not compare anybody to Lebron and KD becuase their physical attributes are unheard of a 6’11" 2/3 with 7’5" wingspan  and 9’2" standing reach will not be seen again with his skill set maybe in our lifetime again, nor will a 6’9" 260lbs 1/2/3/4 with 7’1" wingspan who can still run like a small point guard and jump out of the gym with best of them. Theses guys are not the standard they are gentic freaks in the best way but you really cant compare them to the prototypical players at there positions.

While Jaabri is smoother and cleaner with less rough edges having played at one of the best schools and best cities for his whole youth. Wiggins has walked into the US and has taken it by storm in one year. I am from Toronto so I know the difference in level of competion he is now facing vs what was here. The fact that he has gotten so much better in just one year is scary. In a match up Jabari struggles way more to contain Wiggins than vice versa. If you look at match with Randle even though he outweighed him by 30lbs he still took a guy who went from dominating every body he faced to hold him to 15 points. So being bigger than Wiggins in a match up would not matter, and I am guessing Jabari would play more on perimiter so strength is less of a factor. 

I am sure Wiggins will get into the 215-220lbs range before or during his pro career if he hit his max ceiling as I assumed Jabari would I see a defender similar to Pippen not saying he will be that good but their bodies are similar.On offense I see a cross between VC and Tmac. Which makes him elite on both ends of the court. However just like I said to you there is no way to prove either argument so it an opinion so lets just sit back watch and enjoy and hope they both never get hurt and reach their potential.

[tuck243Participant]

I’ve proved everything I’ve said on here…

 This Melo argument is damn near voided…  That Denver team although played better during the regular season showed their lack of star power in the playoffs…  That same Denver team was lead by Carmelo Anthony to the Conference Finals, something a lot of players haven’t done…  This same man lead the "sorry" Knicks to the same amount of wins as the Thunder versus the Heat in the playoffs…  That Knick team was obviously in shambles due to a lack of PG, back to back games without a deep bench, and Melo coming from off-season surgery…  I’m not casting him out till next year…  He turned it on in April and by every stretch of the word was playing like the Top 3 player hands down…  

As far as Wiggins… PLEASE stop mentioning the Randle game…  ONE FAWKING game doesn’t make you, or break you…  His defense on Randle was impressive, but it doesn’t make him nobody’s lock down defender…  A lot of missed calls went his way and he got a ton of help from helpside…  Randle is also a jack ass… You were not there… Nor did you see the whole game, so please stop with the B.S.   It’s obvious that you are EXTREMELY bias here…  Wiggins has been on the radar for a while now… Him playing HS ball in the states doesn’t mean a damn thing…  Majority of players don’t play Top competion in HS games…  It’s AAU and Camps that matter…  Those days of going to elite HS are long gone…  Unless it’s Findley or Oak Hill…  Please stop saying that non sense…  

Wiggins have been 195 pounds for a while now…  He’s 17 and it’s clear that adding 20-25 healthy pounds to his frame in under a year is far fetch…  You are right we are going to have to wait and see…  Comparing him to Pippen defensively is pushing it…  BIG TIME…

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 You know what I have tried to be cool about this and this is why your points are in the negative because he you obviously have no sense.

You can lick all over Melo sack if you want. The man hasnt proven to make his team better in either place he has played that is fact. Denver what was it one playoff series win? 2 playoff series in New york zero wins. Yes me is a great scorer and solid rebounder but he doesn’t play any defence that matters and he is a below avergae passer. He was injured last year well it certainly wasnt his first year and the results really havent changed when he was healthy. He is a ball stopper everyone knows it everyone says it. Maybe you should take ur head out from up his ass long enough to see that.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/05/carmelo-anthonys-playoff-record-is-nbas-worst-in-20-years/1#.UA2Sq2HcPSk

As far as Wiggins you act like I am the only one say that he is the best player in the nation EVERYONE that was at Peach Jam said it all the scouts, Gm’s off the records, people that were there. I watched the games online HE was the best player on the court everytime he was on the court period. If  Jabari had been on the court it would have been no different. He dominated for the whole EYBL not one game not one location every single round people were like this kid is great. He went to Lebron camp the scouts walked away saying he was the best. Stop acting like he doesnt have the body of work to back it up nor that consensus right now is that he is best player regardless of class. There is article after article on the net that claim the same thing I do. WIGGINS IS NOW THE NUMBER HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER IN AMERICA PERIOD.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/23/is-andrew-wiggins-now-the-nations-top-hs-player/

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0723/2012-peach-jam-report-championship-sunday/

There are tons more on the net if you need more. Btw if you read what I said instead of skimming I said he will put on the weight over the years not by next year.

[tuck243Participant]

First off, if you’re going to insult my intelligence at least write a post without crazy misspellings…  It’s defenSe…  Now it’s clear that you would love to toss Wiggin’s salad since he’s from Toronto, don’t let the Peach Jam Highlights cloud your judgement pimping…  I stand behind my stance that majority of his buckets came from hussle points and transition…  You can argue that down all you want, BUT it DID…

Secondly, Melo taking his team to the playoffs EVERY year of his career isn’t something that should get looked over…  No superstar currently playing other than Derrick Rose have done that…  Denver was a bottom dweller when Melo got there… Taking them to the Western Conference Finals in 6 games versus the Lakers is an accomplishment!!!  Hell Chris Paul only got out the first round TWICE in his career and BARELY did that last year with a so called Top 10 teammate… So miss me with that stat… New York Knicks just gave up too much depth when they got Melo, they were simply injured his first year there and last year they were so depleted EVERYWHERE that just getting to the playoffs was a miracle…  Ball stopper???  I will admit he holds the ball too long sometimes, BUT he also lead the league in Pick and Roll offense as the CREATOR last year…   My friend you need to go look at his stats from April and on that dude was playing lights out…  The man took over the only game they won versus the Heat in the playoffs this year (The same amount of games the Thunder won).  If Jabari going to be wayyy better than a current superstar and perrinal All-Star, then what you are saying doesn’t make sense…  I really like both kids, but if Jabari is going to be wayyyy better than Melo and Wiggins wayyy better than Jabari then wouldn’t that make Wiggins damn near better than LeBron???   

Lastly, as many blog posts or frivolous websites you can pull up that states Wiggins is the "better" player, I can too…  Many of them have their reasons for picking him or Jabari… Valid reasons I suppose, BUT I don’t form my opinion off other people and use common sense when it comes to this…  For everything that it’s worth after the Peach Jam (SOMETHING JABARI DIDN’T PARTICIPATE IN) a few people formulated their opinions FOR Wiggins… Just like you… And I’m not talking about scouts, other posters here did too…  Is it fair to Jabari that we live in a what have you done for me lately mode, especially when it comes to basketball??  I don’t know and I don’t care!!!  Only a fool will take one game or tourney and formulate an opinion because he outduelled a top player while the other player he’s better then is out…

But I never said he wasn’t going to be a great player…  Never said he wasn’t getting better…  I just said he’s not better than Jabari at this moment…  Which he’s not…  It’s no other way to slice it…  I think the biggest thing with Wiggins as evidence with the Peach Jam (and something that bothered me with Shabazz last year) for everything that he "Does" on the court or "Points" he put up don’t result in wins… Or barely winning…  Obviously this is only HS, but IS something that all the past great High Schoolers share…  

[tuck243Participant]

All my points are in the negative because I’m rude as hell…  Especially when I see ridiculous sh!t stated…  

[PlatParticipant]

or maybe its because your an idiot

[theballerwayParticipant]

Wait, did dude just say that wiggins is better than kobe in hs. This kid is captivating you guys with them hops or something . Hes a great talent and then some dont get me wrong. But Kobe had such a advanced skill game pllus the iq , instinct and great hops – not as much as Wiggins but thats his only advantage in any of the above comparisons -HOPS

And then someone said he was better than durant- Look up on youtube the HS game of Durants Montrose vs Oak hill. Hes was a polished scorer at 1’10 doing damgage all over the court. We all saw the offensive package he brought to Texas.

[theballerwayParticipant]

Obviously SI are kicking themselves. lol.

Just remember that scouts like to be the first (to find and recognise a player) if not they just go with the consensus. Gilchrist was #1 until people just basically got bored and decided it was Rivers. I think one site had Selby. They  like to project and look ahead. right now Wiggins is trending hard.

I didnt watch the Peach jam game but did see that the kid going to Duke on Randles team had a gd game (20+pts) im sure that had as much to do with Randle scoring less points as say Wiggins D alone.

Can he even handle?(wiggins) I thought he looked great in the Hoopp summit . He look like Greald green in hs

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 Sorry if my poor spelling offends you. The reason you are in the negs is not because you are rude its because you are wrong. You think grown people on here are so offended by a little language or arrogance, they are not. What they are offended by is a person who obviously is not smart enough, funny or intelligent enough on a consistent basis to make an aruguement that make sense to anybody but yourself. If you were half as bright as you think that you are you would have figured it out already, but since you are not I figured it only right to help the mentally challenged understand the problem.

As far as Melo goes I have covered that looking at Aprils stats wont change the facts. Going to the playoff every year and losing is not an accomplishment that any player puts on his resume just ask Tracy Mcgrady. Melo is a very good player and an elite scorer, he does not raise the play of those around him its that simple.

As far as who is number one, Jabari is great that is for sure but he is simply not as good as Wiggins. That is not just my opinion but as I said the consensus opinion among talent evaluators. Actually as member of the site you can see the opinion of another person that agrees with me and not you on the front page. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, just so happens that majority agree with me and not you seems like that is consistent theme.

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