[torontoraptors10Participant]

The New York Knicks are close to a trade with the Toronto Raptors for Andrea Bargnani.

The Knicks would send Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, a first round pick and a second round pick to the Raptors.

The Raptors have attempted to trade Bargnani for several months and several other teams have expressed interest recently.

A handshake deal between the Raptors and Knicks could come shortly.

Bargnani is owed $22.5 million over the next two seasons.

[KHAM83Participant]

It’s a low risk-high reward deal for ny. Barnagni only has two years left on his contract, while Novak is an additional year of 4 million. This may help out since Barnagni can spread the floor, but the best part is summer of 2015, ny has over 60 million coming off the books at the same time. Amare and Mello 20 million each, Chandler 13 million, Barnagni 10 million.

[KHAM83Participant]

It’s a low risk-high reward deal for ny. Barnagni only has two years left on his contract, while Novak is an additional year of 4 million. This may help out since Barnagni can spread the floor, but the best part is summer of 2015, ny has over 60 million coming off the books at the same time. Amare and Mello 20 million each, Chandler 13 million, Barnagni 10 million.

[niQParticipant]

Please be true!

[niQParticipant]

Please be true!

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Does this tie up too much salary to resign smith?

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Does this tie up too much salary to resign smith?

[KHAM83Participant]

forgone conclusion that Smith is already gone. Shumpert and Hardaway will man the Sg.

[KHAM83Participant]

forgone conclusion that Smith is already gone. Shumpert and Hardaway will man the Sg.

[dannyg219Participant]

With that trade they wouldn’t need smith if Andrea pans out, they just drafted Tim Hardaway jr. Who drives, two can give you what smith bring

[dannyg219Participant]

With that trade they wouldn’t need smith if Andrea pans out, they just drafted Tim Hardaway jr. Who drives, two can give you what smith bring

[DolanCareParticipant]

I like the trade for my Knicks. But wow are we going to suck on defense. Melo, Stoudemire, Barganani – I can’t think of 3 players worse at defending the pick and roll.

[DolanCareParticipant]

I like the trade for my Knicks. But wow are we going to suck on defense. Melo, Stoudemire, Barganani – I can’t think of 3 players worse at defending the pick and roll.

[Ny2daDeathOFmeParticipant]

i dont know how i feel about this trade i really liked novak. He didnt have a great year last year, copeland took his mins so i guess if copeland resigns then i’d like this trade. I also am hopeing andre can come in this year healthy and playing with confidense.

[Ny2daDeathOFmeParticipant]

i dont know how i feel about this trade i really liked novak. He didnt have a great year last year, copeland took his mins so i guess if copeland resigns then i’d like this trade. I also am hopeing andre can come in this year healthy and playing with confidense.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I would rather have Novak.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I would rather have Novak.

[Toronto16Participant]

Horrible trade for Toronto.

[Toronto16Participant]

Horrible trade for Toronto.

[torontoraptors10Participant]

Why would this be a bad trade for Toronto………?

Raptors get a decent back C, we get rid of Bargnani’s horrible contract and we will suck even more to get Andrew Wiggins in next years draft.

[torontoraptors10Participant]

Why would this be a bad trade for Toronto………?

Raptors get a decent back C, we get rid of Bargnani’s horrible contract and we will suck even more to get Andrew Wiggins in next years draft.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

Your team has fringe All-Stars in Lowry and Gay, doubt they’ll be willing to tank. And even if you guys tank, there’s a huge logjam in your SG/SF lineup. Ross, DeRozan, Gay, Fields, Kleiza… It’ll take multiple trades to get rid of them.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

Your team has fringe All-Stars in Lowry and Gay, doubt they’ll be willing to tank. And even if you guys tank, there’s a huge logjam in your SG/SF lineup. Ross, DeRozan, Gay, Fields, Kleiza… It’ll take multiple trades to get rid of them.

[The KidShariffParticipant]

Masai Ujiri doing a hell of a job already, great trade for the Raptors IMO

[The KidShariffParticipant]

Masai Ujiri doing a hell of a job already, great trade for the Raptors IMO

[BenchWarmerParticipant]

As a toronto fan I could not be more happy. He is skilled no doubt but I had enough of him, wish him the best. Happy with the direction this team is headed and seem commited to players that play like men.

[BenchWarmerParticipant]

As a toronto fan I could not be more happy. He is skilled no doubt but I had enough of him, wish him the best. Happy with the direction this team is headed and seem commited to players that play like men.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

As a Raptors fan I like the trade for Toronto.
I also think it`s a good move for the Knicks.

But I am very happy with it.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

As a Raptors fan I like the trade for Toronto.
I also think it`s a good move for the Knicks.

But I am very happy with it.

[starpyParticipant]

I am elated with this trade for the Raps, got rid of Bargnani… and got legit pieces back. That’s more than I thought was possible.

[starpyParticipant]

I am elated with this trade for the Raps, got rid of Bargnani… and got legit pieces back. That’s more than I thought was possible.

[Mad MaxParticipant]

I think it works for both teams. I’m interested who Toronto gets to play PF now? I think Toronto is on the rise and can make the playoffs.

[Mad MaxParticipant]

I think it works for both teams. I’m interested who Toronto gets to play PF now? I think Toronto is on the rise and can make the playoffs.

[delfamParticipant]

Guarantee Toronto wins the Wiggins sweepstakes now. Cleveland gets Lebron, Chicago gets Rose, makes sense that Toronto would get the hometown Wiggins.

[delfamParticipant]

Guarantee Toronto wins the Wiggins sweepstakes now. Cleveland gets Lebron, Chicago gets Rose, makes sense that Toronto would get the hometown Wiggins.

[Toronto16Participant]

I hope you are right.

[Toronto16Participant]

I hope you are right.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Melo is better at the 4. Where does Bargs play? Off the bench at power forward, but that is Amare’s spot.

[220Participant]

Offensively Bargnani plays like a small forward and since he really doesn’t play defense that’s not an issue either.

[XYRYXParticipant]

I really have doubts that this is move makes any sense for the Knicks. Smith is gone now and they have 3 guys earning 20 million a year and playing the forward spots. This doesn’t fill any needs imo and who is going to play pg and sg now not to mention that they are a horrible defensive lineup when playing all three together.

If they prove me wrong that this works then I’m okay with that but to trade for one o the worst contracts in the league is not smart to me. It’s like Dallas trading for Ryan Anderson with Dirk on the roster…

[XYRYXParticipant]

I really have doubts that this is move makes any sense for the Knicks. Smith is gone now and they have 3 guys earning 20 million a year and playing the forward spots. This doesn’t fill any needs imo and who is going to play pg and sg now not to mention that they are a horrible defensive lineup when playing all three together.

If they prove me wrong that this works then I’m okay with that but to trade for one o the worst contracts in the league is not smart to me. It’s like Dallas trading for Ryan Anderson with Dirk on the roster…

[220Participant]

Offensively Bargnani plays like a small forward and since he really doesn’t play defense that’s not an issue either.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Melo is better at the 4. Where does Bargs play? Off the bench at power forward, but that is Amare’s spot.

[OhCanada-Participant]

If Toronto wants to compete for Wiggins there are still two trades to be made before a true tanking can be realized. There are alot of tanking teams to compete with. Charlotte, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Atlanta, and possibly teams like Sacramento, Detroit, Cleveland, Boston, LA Lakers, for the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes. If they play the season out with the Roster they have I think they win more then less. Philly and Boston got worse then Toronto this year and both teams are division rivals.

I like the trade whether Toronto chooses to rebuild or stay the course with the current roster. Just keep in mind Ujiri already gutted New York’s draft picks and the first rounder acquired is likely New York’s 2016 the Nuggets have the rights to switch with thier 2016.

[220Participant]

The only teams that will certainly be tanking as of right now are Charlotte, Philadelphia, and Boston. There will undoubtedly be more because who wouldn’t want Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker.

I wouldn’t consider Atlanta to be tanking at all they are restructuring their team and they’ll still have Al Horford. They’re probably still a fringe playoff team.

Orlando is a young team and I expect them to continue to really compete night in night out like they did last year. If they’re towards the bottom next year it won’t be because of tanking…it’ll likely be because they are young and still figuring things out.

I’d be shocked to see Cleveland attempt to tank this season. If healthy they have a competitive roster and plus any of their hopes of getting Lebron James will center around them being a tough young team with a lot of good pieces. If they only win 30 games there is no chance at Lebron (although I don’t see him leaving Miami anyway).

Sacramento is a mess and Detroit is in the same category to me as Orlando. I’d be shocked to see the Lakers tank, but with Kobe likely out half the year they probably won’t need to tank because they won’t be very good especially if Dwight leaves.

[220Participant]

The only teams that will certainly be tanking as of right now are Charlotte, Philadelphia, and Boston. There will undoubtedly be more because who wouldn’t want Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker.

I wouldn’t consider Atlanta to be tanking at all they are restructuring their team and they’ll still have Al Horford. They’re probably still a fringe playoff team.

Orlando is a young team and I expect them to continue to really compete night in night out like they did last year. If they’re towards the bottom next year it won’t be because of tanking…it’ll likely be because they are young and still figuring things out.

I’d be shocked to see Cleveland attempt to tank this season. If healthy they have a competitive roster and plus any of their hopes of getting Lebron James will center around them being a tough young team with a lot of good pieces. If they only win 30 games there is no chance at Lebron (although I don’t see him leaving Miami anyway).

Sacramento is a mess and Detroit is in the same category to me as Orlando. I’d be shocked to see the Lakers tank, but with Kobe likely out half the year they probably won’t need to tank because they won’t be very good especially if Dwight leaves.

[OhCanada-Participant]

If Toronto wants to compete for Wiggins there are still two trades to be made before a true tanking can be realized. There are alot of tanking teams to compete with. Charlotte, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Atlanta, and possibly teams like Sacramento, Detroit, Cleveland, Boston, LA Lakers, for the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes. If they play the season out with the Roster they have I think they win more then less. Philly and Boston got worse then Toronto this year and both teams are division rivals.

I like the trade whether Toronto chooses to rebuild or stay the course with the current roster. Just keep in mind Ujiri already gutted New York’s draft picks and the first rounder acquired is likely New York’s 2016 the Nuggets have the rights to switch with thier 2016.

[delfamParticipant]

^ What are those? Trading Lowry and what else?

[delfamParticipant]

^ What are those? Trading Lowry and what else?

[NarcParticipant]

Its not a bad deal for the Knicks considering whom they gave up…however Bargnani doesn’t address any of the weaknesses the Knicks have, in fact to me he accentuates them. Camby barely saw the court and Novak is a specialist. The Knicks picked up a good pick and pop man. Bargnani isn’t going to stop anyone from scoring as we know, but he can knock down a jumper and is one of the better stretch big men in the league.

[NarcParticipant]

Its not a bad deal for the Knicks considering whom they gave up…however Bargnani doesn’t address any of the weaknesses the Knicks have, in fact to me he accentuates them. Camby barely saw the court and Novak is a specialist. The Knicks picked up a good pick and pop man. Bargnani isn’t going to stop anyone from scoring as we know, but he can knock down a jumper and is one of the better stretch big men in the league.

[Professor RozayParticipant]

I like this deal for both teams. But the one thing that I don’t like is that he does not help us on the defensive end of the floor. We already have enough guys that don’t play on that end of the floor. We do not need another one.

[Professor RozayParticipant]

I like this deal for both teams. But the one thing that I don’t like is that he does not help us on the defensive end of the floor. We already have enough guys that don’t play on that end of the floor. We do not need another one.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Lowry we can just choose not to resign we have a team option. Trading Derozan and Gay would be the next step to truly tanking.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Lowry we can just choose not to resign we have a team option. Trading Derozan and Gay would be the next step to truly tanking.

[NarcParticipant]

That’s the only thing about the deal I hated…The Knicks always give up draft picks

[NarcParticipant]

That’s the only thing about the deal I hated…The Knicks always give up draft picks

[LipstickParticipant]

Toronto got draft picks out of a trade involving Bargnani. Winner!

[LipstickParticipant]

Toronto got draft picks out of a trade involving Bargnani. Winner!

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Can Camby just retire for everyones sake

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Can Camby just retire for everyones sake

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Anyone know the protection on that pick?

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Anyone know the protection on that pick?

[r377Participant]

I dont think the Raps tank, they could almost make the playoffs in the East. Remember how much better they played without Bargs…

Lowry, Derozan, Ross, Gay, JV and Amir Johnson is underrated, he had a good season last season. That squad could finish 7-10th in the East.

[r377Participant]

I dont think the Raps tank, they could almost make the playoffs in the East. Remember how much better they played without Bargs…

Lowry, Derozan, Ross, Gay, JV and Amir Johnson is underrated, he had a good season last season. That squad could finish 7-10th in the East.

[Ghost01Participant]

I thought Toronto was in “We are making the playoffs next year” mode, not “Wiggins” mode… Isn’t that why they got Rudy Gay, didn’t they play well down the stretch last year? The East is TERRIBLE after the top 5 teams. It won’t be too hard for someone like Toronto to be a playoff team, in my opinion.

[LipstickParticipant]

Colangelo traded for Rudy Gay, not Ujiri. He might try to keep Toronto out of that purgatory zone and just choose to rebuild, though trading Bargnani doesn’t move the ticker one way or the other very much.

[LipstickParticipant]

Colangelo traded for Rudy Gay, not Ujiri. He might try to keep Toronto out of that purgatory zone and just choose to rebuild, though trading Bargnani doesn’t move the ticker one way or the other very much.

[Ghost01Participant]

I thought Toronto was in “We are making the playoffs next year” mode, not “Wiggins” mode… Isn’t that why they got Rudy Gay, didn’t they play well down the stretch last year? The East is TERRIBLE after the top 5 teams. It won’t be too hard for someone like Toronto to be a playoff team, in my opinion.

[NYK2010Participant]

Hopefully they can resign JR Smith or Copeland to add some depth.

Maybe Woodson will go with a bigger lineup of

Felton/Shumpert/Melo/Bargnani/Chandler

with

Brooks, Prigioni, Hardaway Jr, JR Smith or Copeland, Amare, White, KMart

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

Why would you want Smith back when you have a smarter version of him in Hardaway and have Shump? Smith is inconsistent, and he’ll ask for a lot of money.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

Why would you want Smith back when you have a smarter version of him in Hardaway and have Shump? Smith is inconsistent, and he’ll ask for a lot of money.

[NYK2010Participant]

Hopefully they can resign JR Smith or Copeland to add some depth.

Maybe Woodson will go with a bigger lineup of

Felton/Shumpert/Melo/Bargnani/Chandler

with

Brooks, Prigioni, Hardaway Jr, JR Smith or Copeland, Amare, White, KMart

[HOops1562Participant]

Thank you Masai Ujiri traded Bargnani ! … i hated this guy sorry but he can’t rebound to save his life and is a poor defender … never learned a go to post move and can’t bang with the big boys … I’m surprised we were able to get a 1st rounder for him

[HOops1562Participant]

Thank you Masai Ujiri traded Bargnani ! … i hated this guy sorry but he can’t rebound to save his life and is a poor defender … never learned a go to post move and can’t bang with the big boys … I’m surprised we were able to get a 1st rounder for him

[TyroberParticipant]

Good trade for both teams. Toronto gives rid of bargnani while getting a draft pick and Knicks get someone who won’t effect their salary cap since they wont have any until 2016 and can help make up some of the scoring they’ll miss in jr smith.

[TyroberParticipant]

Good trade for both teams. Toronto gives rid of bargnani while getting a draft pick and Knicks get someone who won’t effect their salary cap since they wont have any until 2016 and can help make up some of the scoring they’ll miss in jr smith.

[Ghost01Participant]

Why isn’t Amare getting amnestied? He provides nothing but defense so bad that they literally suffer just with his presence. He makes like 44 mil over the next two years…how are they honestly going to pay that?

[DolanCareParticipant]

The Knicks unfortunately used their amnesty on Billups already in order to sign Chandler.

[DolanCareParticipant]

The Knicks unfortunately used their amnesty on Billups already in order to sign Chandler.

[Ghost01Participant]

Why isn’t Amare getting amnestied? He provides nothing but defense so bad that they literally suffer just with his presence. He makes like 44 mil over the next two years…how are they honestly going to pay that?

[OhCanada-Participant]

Ujiri hasn’t clearly stated whether he is rebuilding or not. He did say he wants to acquire alot of draft picks and always be developing young talent in a systematic fashion within the organization. Have younger players learning from the role players/vets/stars. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tears it all down by moving Derozan and Gay but I also wouldn’t be upset. If Ujiri does trade Derozan or Gay he will likely get plenty of potential value like developing talented young players and draft picks.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Ujiri hasn’t clearly stated whether he is rebuilding or not. He did say he wants to acquire alot of draft picks and always be developing young talent in a systematic fashion within the organization. Have younger players learning from the role players/vets/stars. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tears it all down by moving Derozan and Gay but I also wouldn’t be upset. If Ujiri does trade Derozan or Gay he will likely get plenty of potential value like developing talented young players and draft picks.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

From a development standpoint, it makes sense, JV and Amir will get more minutes and they’d have a good defensive player to learn from.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

From a development standpoint, it makes sense, JV and Amir will get more minutes and they’d have a good defensive player to learn from.

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