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Alvin Gentry Released

Alvin Gentry and the Phoenix Suns have agreed to part ways largely due to the fact that the suns have been largely underwhelming this season. http://arizonasports.com/?sid=1602990&nid=132 am I the only one that thought the Suns had an outside chance at the 8th seed? They had the prefect blend of veterans and young guys now it looks like they will go on a fire sale.


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They had NO chance at the 8th

They had NO chance at the 8th seed. The West is too packed even with the Lakers and Mavs out of the playoff picture (for now). The Suns should look to get rid of some contracts, make some trade packages and rebuild. It's a shame too look at the Suns now compared to where they were a few seasons ago, but they're a great organization and will rebound, but it will take time.

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Where is Gortat going? Will

Where is Gortat going?
Will they get rid of Dragic or keep him?
Do they trade everyone over the age of 26 and hope for a steal in the draft?
I would like to see them pick a path instead of riding the line...

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And when will it be time to

And when will it be time to officially call Michael Beasley a bust? He has been a travesty all season.

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This is not Albin Gentry's

This is not Albin Gentry's fault but it is the first of many moves that need to be made. I'd like to see Gortat be traded. He could help quite a few teams. The Suns need to rid themselves of a few of their long term contracts. This team I don't think has hit bottom yet but they need to. Then they need to rebuild.

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It's a shame how far Phoenix

It's a shame how far Phoenix has fallen off, they have had some of the most talented rosters of the 2000's but somehow always came short of a title

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I honestly think they woulda

I honestly think they woulda won the year horry hipchecked Nash. Boris and amare got suspended for stepping on the court. But that's just how it goes.

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I honestly think they woulda

I honestly think they woulda won the year horry hipchecked Nash. Boris and amare got suspended for stepping on the court. But that's just how it goes.

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Does anyone know why I always

Does anyone know why I always double post?

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It usually happens when you

It usually happens when you press the "save" button too many times, even while loading.

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Sun's have done a pretty poor

Sun's have done a pretty poor job with roster moves. In Nash's 1st year back they had Amare, Shawn Marion, and Joe Johnson. They lowballed Johnson to get a lesser Borris Diaw, they made a tough call on trading Marion for Shaq to upgrade their size but I think that was the wrong move. They made a terrible call moving Dragic for Aaron Brooks, and refused to ante up and pay Amare to keep him in Phoenix after they got the WCF and played tough vs the Lakers, who went on to win the title.

And this offseason, Phoenix basically gave away Steve Nash for NOTHING. They signed Dragic after trading him They signed Michael Beasley, they've signed other terrible casts off like Wes Johnson. They drafted Kendall Marshall, who can't play, when they already had Dragic. Even if they get the top pick, this year's draft doesn't have a superstar they can build around, so Phoenix looks screwed.

Gentry is a really good coach, I like him a lot, he should and will get another coaching chance soon. This is Phoenix trying to push the blame towards the coach (when it obviously isn't) to buy them more time from the media getting on their asses.

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They signed Dragic in free

They signed Dragic in free agency after the draft if im not mistaken. Nonetheless they still reached for Marshall selecting him that high.

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Saw this coming from a mile

Saw this coming from a mile away, it was really just a matter of time. @ShofOFF with the Steve Nash thing, yes they didn't get much for him but they showed a lot of respect for him and letting him seek trades and respecting his wishes on where he wanted to go. Maybe not great for the organization but classy none the less. This roster really has no identity and no real building blocks/staring quality players outside of Dragic and Gortat. Dudley, Morris and Brown can be contributors on a good team but outside of those 5, there is not much of anything, especially long term. I wouldn't even know where to begin with this team.

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Disappointing, Gentry is a

Disappointing, Gentry is a good coach.

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hmm

the consensus seems to be 'alvin gentry is a good coach' but to be honest, I really don't see it. i've never really seen him take a team and make it overperform- his first season or two just looked very good because he reverted the Suns back to their 'run and gun' style after the disappointing Shaq years. The Suns have been in decline through the past couple of years, and although obviously personnel aren't good, I haven't seen anything to counteract that- guys like Jacques Vaughn and Larry Drew have done more with less.

Couldn't agree more with ShowOff- I honestly can't remember a positive move they've made, short of developing Jared Dudley and trading for Gortat.

But in general, I definately disagree with the first post- the Suns have been awful.

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His first full year as head

His first full year as head coach he won 54 games and took the Lakers to 6 games in the WCF, and almost took it to 7. In the two seasons following he was somehow only two games under .500 despite having virtually no one outside of Steve Nash and Gortat (who started 12 games that first year for Phoenix) that should be starting for an NBA team. He's definitely a good coach.

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I thought they would be

I thought they would be better than this, but I also thought they players themselves would be better. I always thought Gentry was a decently good coach. Not a great one, but definitely not a bad one either. Shame to see him go, but I definitely think he will land somewhere.

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I don't know what the Suns

I don't know what the Suns expected, they spent years trading draft picks just to get cap space in return. The Suns dealt Rajon Rondo, Luol Deng, and Rudy Fernandez on draft night for pennies in return. They also traded Kurt Thomas to the Sonics along with two first round draft picks one of which ended up being Serge Ibaka for a second round pick and a trade exception.

At their best the Suns were never a championship favorite seeing as they didn't play defense and dealing the picks and players I mentioned for little in return didn't help them get any better.

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I know- but as I said, that 54 win season, the suns still had Amare posting 23 & 9, playing in 82 games, Nash averaged a double double as well as being way over 50-40-90, as well as six solid pieces- Richardson, Hill, Frye, Barbosa, Lopez and Dudley. Fair enough, that's probably not a 54 win team, but it's still a damn good team- and I'm putting a lot of credit on Nash's shoulders for making them better than the sum of their parts.

The year after, they had Richardson (who averaged 19ppg), Nash, Carter, Hill, Gortat, Frye, Dudley, Brooks, Turkoglu, Warrick, Dragic, Pietrus, Lopez...now, that's not a playoff team, and it has no real 'stars' (by this point, Nash was 36). But it is deep with solid veterans- each of those guys named could contribute in some way...and there's 13 of them. If Gentry had got them to the playoffs I would've been impressed, but that's not an awful team. That's a 'just-below-.500' team. Again, kind of as expected.

I'll admit, I was impressed with the Suns in 11-12, but you've got to remember that that was a group of veteran guards that had played together a long time. Nash was still averaging a double-double and essentially gluing the thing together. I think it says more about that team that as soon as Nash left (a 38 year old Steve Nash by that point) the whole thing fell apart.

So props for 11-12, but one above-average season does not make a great coach. Especially when you've got Steve Nash running the show.

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Those cost cutting moves that

Those cost cutting moves that Robert Sarver had made have really come back to hurt us and as a Phoenix fan, I feel we have tried to muddle by since STAT left hoping to maybe sneak into the play offs. This year with Nash and Hill having departed we still tried to go for a compete now attitude, almost as if Sarver hoped we may sneak a play off spot or at least keep the team competitive and the cap down.

We signed Shaq when Marion would have expired sooner and the traded Shaq away to save maybe $6 million, so add that to the bad moves. Beasley has been a bad signing and will have no takers if we do rip it up then we have expiring deals in JO and Johnson which could be used, Gortat might be our most tradeable asset at the moment and Scola on a cheapish deal may interest a contender looking for a rotation big man.

Hopefully we get high pick this year but is there a franchise changer in this year's draft I wonder. Zeller would a safe choice and alongside Gortat would be a nice frontcourt and Bazz could be the one real star from this year's draft.

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They need a coach who can

They need a coach who can change Beasely's game. Right now he is completely unplayable. He is one of the worst players in the league in terms of what he actually does on the court, but he has some game. Andray Blatche basically changed his entire game this year with the Nets. He dropped the 16 to 20 foot jumpers from his game plan. Beasely could do the same thing. But somehow a coach needs to get that through his head. It may not matter though. He has three years guaranteed and that along with what he has made so far in his career may be enough for Beasely.

Note that a new coach can get wins out of this roster. It isn't a good roster and it won't make the playoffs in the West. But they could finish with 30 or so wins. They played the Nets pretty tough a few days ago. And it was really simple, they just didn't play Beasely or Wes Johnson.

But management of that franchise basically has no clue. So God knows that they are going to do.

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