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You are out your damn mind if you think BTPH lost this... I've said this for the past 2 years, actually since I've been posting on here... The NBA Power Forward position isn't what it used to be... Since KG and Duncan exited out of their primes the torch has been carried over to Amare, LA, Bosh, Dirk, Boozer, and Gasol... Majority of them NEVER averaged 10 boards a game... ALL of them don't protect the rim... Face it for years that position has been SOFT... In comes Blake and K. Love... One is EXTREMELY physical and the other has face up game... BOTH REBOUNDS the hell out of that ball...

Now this is the reason I give K. Love and Blake credit BUT I'm not going to be amazed that they are doing their job... If all of the current Top PF's in the game rebounded like they are suppose to I doubt we will say K. Love (and I know for a fact) Blake Griffin is Top 3 PF's in the game... But like I said I will give them their due so aye...

See here's the problem with stats that Hollinger's "PER" and etc. don't understand... Basketball is more than numbers, dunks, jump shots, and fastbreaks... Basketball has mental and emotional dimisions that can never be calculated... Probably the most important part of the game... Allen Iverson had a TERRIBLE % BUT he won... Why??? His heart was 3 times the size of the average man... You can sit here and debate why LeBron lost all those years BUT the fact is he lacked (and still does) the mental aspect of his game... But giving him credit and to BTPH points he at the very LEAST made it to the playoffs... Yall sat in here and talked all that ish about Melo BUT at least he made it to the playoffs EVERY year... (Including this year with by far one of the craziest seasons in Knicks history)... LaMarcus?? Playoffs... Bosh?? Playoffs before LeBron... BUT yall dare say Love is the MVP material??? I lost my damn mind on Twitter when my friends said that ish...

He shoots at terrible % for his position especially since Dirk AND Amare are having down years and shoot better than he does... You gonna say "Well he take 3's that's why!", well IDIOT the 3pt is the worst shot to take in basketball... His shooting % suffered because he shouldn't SHOOT it as much... A 3pt still counts against your FG% as would a lay up why is your PF taking 5 3pt's a game?? Earlier today Brent Barry said Dirk is a better shooter than Larry because Larry didn't attempt as many 3's as Dirk... Are yall out your fawking minds?? The reason Larry, Jordan, Magic, and etc. won so much because they took GOOD % shots... Dirk start going inside and won a Championship... LeBron didn't ATTEMPT a 3 pointer beginning of the season and was DOMINATING... If anything that 3pt shot from Love is stopping him not helping...

I honestly feel like people think he's MVP because he's a WHITE GUY playing in a BLACK NBA... Let's be real here Steve Nash owns 2 MVP's that should have went to LeBron and Kobe respectfully... Dirk owns one that should have went to LeBron as well... Kobe's MVP should have went to Chris Paul... But the ONLY reason they all won those awards was/is because they had the BEST RECORDS... Name one MVP player to win it with a losing record??? It's already bad enough that he and Blake are 2 time All-Stars without even making it to the playoffs... Now Kevin should win MVP too??? Fawk outta here... Kobe scored 81, 63 in 3 Qt versus the Mavericks, had the most consecutive games with 45+ scored and finished 4th in MVP totals... He had one of the best statistical seasons in league HISTORY and finished 4th... The year before he averaged 28, 6, 6, and didn't even recieve ONE fawking vote... PJ Brown, Shawn Marion, Vince Carter, and Marcus Camby was ahead of him... Fawking PJ BROWN!!!! You wanna know why?? Because he didn't even make the playoffs... Now Kevin Love should be the MVP??? I like the kid but yall have made him OVERRATED like hell...

I've also said this before too... Majority of you are prisoners of the moment fans anyway... Really don't seem to comprehend what "good" basketball really is... I know this because the first thing they look to is stats and highlights for help... Amateurs!!

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The 3 pt shot is the worst in

The 3 pt shot is the worst in basketball? Tuck, you lose. Stop.

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There are some straight

There are some straight ignorant claims here in this thread. Ya'll act like the Wolves haven't won a damn game all year saying that they can't win. Yet all year they've been floating around .500, call me crazy but usually you have to WIN to have your record be about even. As far as what Tuck said... I don't even know. Saying the 3pt shot is the worst shot in basketball is unfair to say. Just because its the farthest from the basket and statistically the most difficult shot to make doesn't mean its a bad shot. I'd rather have Kevin Love take an open 3 point shot coming off a pick and roll (surprise! If any of you actually watch him play you'll realize that is how he gets at least 15 points every single game) than have him take a shot underneath the basket with 3 guys collapsing on him and having to put up a circus shot.

Is Kevin Love an MVP candidate right now? Yes absolutely. He will not and CANNOT win until his team makes the playoffs at very least and become more relevant. But I don't think its fair to say that just because he can't win the MVP, that he shouldn't be in the MVP running. Just because DRose won MVP last year, does that mean that LBJ didn't deserve it even though he was in the running. No, they just give it to the most deserving player. Kevin Love simply doesn't deserve it yet.

But for the guys that are hating on Love so much, I really want to know, HONESTLY, how much of the Wolves do you watch? Because if you did watch them, you would see that the entire atmosphere of the team, the fans, and the organization in general is completely changed. When the Wolves play, I almost expect them to win now. Nobody thought that even last year. Kevin Love and Rubio have this fan base excited and are willing to jump on the band wagon for a team that really does show flashes of brilliance. Last year, the Wolves couldn't sell out the building unless if there was a super star coming to play like LBJ or Rose or Kobe. Now, consistently the stadium is pretty full if not sold out. How do I know this? Hmm maybe the fact that I actually GO TO THE GAMES and watch them play instead of simply looking at the box scores and their record.

Basing your argument off stats works in most cases because numbers don't lie, but they can be skewed. If he played for the Lakers and was averaging these numbers, everyone would be saying he's the best PF in the league no doubt if the Lakers were winning. So the fact that they are still only a decent team limits him? Mind you this is still one of the youngest teams in the league with only a couple of their players who actually have playoff experience anyway. Ridnour, Darko, Webster, Brad Miller, Barrea. Those are the only players on the team that have playoff experience. And lets take a note of how much those guys play. Ridnour starts because Rubio is out and still plays more like a SG than a PG. Darko doesn't even play because Adelman hates him. Webster gets clock because their other options (Johnson, Ellington) aren't ideal. Miller is about as old as time, and not even worth while to put in the game because he can't do anything now. And finally Barrea. He's a 6th man at best but gets more run for this team because he has the winning mentality and the Wolves are trying to build a team with that mentality.

The 8 or so lottery picks they have on their team are also completely inconsistent with the exception of Love. Beasely plays 6th man, a role he should work best in, and comes in to shoot 10 shots like his life depends on it then gets out of the game and watches for the rest of the game. Johnson is just a straight poor excuse for a player on the offensive end, all he does is sit in the corner hoping the ball doesn't come to him. Yeah his confidence is that low. Darko doesn't play because he is lazy even though he is one of the best interior defenders. But if you watch him play... I wouldn't really say he is because he never really challenges shots, he only blocks guys when he's right up behind them under the basket. Randolph hasn't played at all in the past couple games and its understandable why. He has no passion in his game, no heart (there's that Iverson argument), and his skills are only average. Seriously his only redeeming quality is his overflowing potential that will never come out. Rubio is out but as anybody saw early on, he is a stud and will continue to be good for awhile. Martell is even a lottery pick (6th overall who knew lol had to look that one up) and lets just say his athleticism isn't what it used to be, his shot has been inconsistent, and the thing the NBA knows him for is his hair more than anything. Finally Derrick Williams. While he has the potential to be a major contributor, right now he is sorely inconsistent. While one game he puts up 28 and is dominant, another game he goes for like 8 points and 3 rebounds. He's still a rookie and yet while starting, his average is around 16 points and 8 boards. Not bad for a rookie starter.

Point is, the Wolves have a ways to go AS A TEAM before Love can be considered being the MVP but for right now, there should be nothing holding him back from at least being considered in the MVP discussion.

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@tuck243 I don't see how BTPH

@tuck243

I don't see how BTPH lost this either...

"Majority of you are prisoners of the moment fans anyway... Really don't seem to comprehend what "good" basketball really is"

That describes about 80-85% of the people on this site right now.

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If they make the playoffs he should

be in the MVP discussion. If they don't, then he shouldn't. Simple. Case closed. Peace playas.

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Now this is the reason I give

Now this is the reason I give K. Love and Blake credit BUT I'm not going to be amazed that they are doing their job... If all of the current Top PF's in the game rebounded like they are suppose to I doubt we will say K. Love (and I know for a fact) Blake Griffin is Top 3 PF's in the game... But like I said I will give them their due so aye...

You constantly bring this exact argument up. Wtf does that even mean? It is the worst argument I have ever heard. Kevin Love and Blake Griffin are way better rebounders then other powerforwards, but if the other pf's were as good at rebounding as them we wouldnt have this argument. That is pretty much what you were saying. Makes no sense.

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I honestly agree with

I honestly agree with everything BTPH is saying. Sorry. Kevin Love went from slept on, to an overrated "mvp candidate." He hasn't won anything and he's supposed to be this star player. I do not see it.

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Question: If you replace K.

Question: If you replace K. Love with LBJ on the Wolves squad, do they become significantly better than they already are?

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Now Kevin Love should be the

Now Kevin Love should be the MVP??? I like the kid but yall have made him OVERRATED like hell...

I've also said this before too... Majority of you are prisoners of the moment fans anyway... Really don't seem to comprehend what "good" basketball really is... I know this because the first thing they look to is stats and highlights for help... Amateurs!!

Who said he should win the mvp? All we said he is should be in the discussion. Not getting any first place votes, but anywhere from 8th place to 5th place votes. I dont look at stats and highlights. I watch the games.

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"Question: If you replace K.

"Question: If you replace K. Love with LBJ on the Wolves squad, do they become significantly better than they already are?"

I really hope you're kidding.

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What the hell does Love have

What the hell does Love have arond him? A washed-up Luke Ridnour who was never good in the first place(I know he is producing this season, but he got open shots off of Rubio's penetration, and is a liability on D) Wes Johnson who honestly does nothing other than shoot a low percentage and play decent Defense. Michael Beasley who although has the talen to drop 20 every night, is very inconcsistent and isn't playing well at all this season, only at around 12 points per game. Darko was crap when he was starting, Pek actually was playing well before he went down, he had 5 straight 20 point game earlier this month, D-Will is still developing and has been inconsistent, Barea has been hurt and is just starting to play well, and he just got hurt again. Webster has been crap, and Rubio helped them because his penetration opened up lanes for others. I don't think Rubio helped Love as much as we think he did, but Rubio definatly helped other guys get easy and open shots. Imagine if the Wolves didn't both so many picks. If they picked Steph Curry instead of Flynn, he'd be playing the two, and Cousins instead of Wes Johnson, he and Love combined would be impossible to guard, although a veteran locker room presence is needed on any team Cousins plays for.

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JNixon- dont be sorry, the

JNixon- dont be sorry, the Wolves arent on ESPN so I understand why you wouldnt see it. Watch them and you would see it.

An MVP candidate is a bit far fetched right now because of the teams record, but to say he isnt a star player or elite is plain uninformed.

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And Tuck, thank you for

And Tuck, thank you for sorting out all of the MVP stuff. I always thought that the year Kobe actually won it it should have been Paul's, but Kobe should've had at least one or two others, and you forgot to mention that Peja came in fourth in MVP voting once, and has more MVP shares than Vince Carter, not a big deal, but still.

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What the hell does Love have

What the hell does Love have arond him? A washed-up Luke Ridnour who was never good in the first place(I know he is producing this season, but he got open shots off of Rubio's penetration, and is a liability on D) Wes Johnson who honestly does nothing other than shoot a low percentage and play decent Defense. Michael Beasley who although has the talen to drop 20 every night, is very inconcsistent and isn't playing well at all this season, only at around 12 points per game. Darko was crap when he was starting, Pek actually was playing well before he went down, he had 5 straight 20 point game earlier this month, D-Will is still developing and has been inconsistent, Barea has been hurt and is just starting to play well, and he just got hurt again. Webster has been crap, and Rubio helped them because his penetration opened up lanes for others.

Dude who cares if the players are not that good? They were all lottery picks. That means they are super talented. That is sarcastic in case anyone doesnt get it.

I will disagree on Ridnour though. He is not washed up and has been good this year. He was a liabilty on D when he was guarding Shooting guards, but he is ok against point guards. He has been really good since Rubio went down to

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"Question: If you replace K.

"Question: If you replace K. Love with LBJ on the Wolves squad, do they become significantly better than they already are?"

I really hope you're kidding.

No I'm not kidding, I asked a question cuz personally I dont think they would be that much better as far as record goes. That is less about K. Love v. LBJ, and all of a product of how bad the pieces that are currently active on this roster are. Even with LBJ instead of Love this team is only marginally above a .500 caliber bball team.

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^Yeah, that's true, he's

^Yeah, that's true, he's shooting a high percentage and has had a couple double doubles since Rubio went down. The problem is the &$#%#&@! programers only put the T-Wolves on national television once a year. I don't think the national television guide should be predetermined before the season, because we didn't get to see Durant dominate till the playoffs in '10, and now all we can hope for is that the T-Wolves get voted for fan night, or that another Double OT game forces NBA tv to put them on right away like last time.

I hope the T-Wolves make the playoffs, but they probably won't. Love does deserve credit and I do believe he is one fo the guys that is the future of the league, however I wouldn't put him in the top 5 of MVP voting, due to his teams' record, even if his team around him sucks. However if the T-Wolves win 13 of their last 15 and shoot up to the 5th spot, and Love finishes with averages of 27 and 14, and he put the team on his back and carried them into the playoffs, that would be a different story.

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Mdymes, with Lebron, the

Mdymes, with Lebron, the T-Wolves are attomatically a top 4 team in the West, no question. Lebron can do things Love can just not, he might not be the rebounder Love is, but Lebron is a world of a better defender I don't care what the stats say. I would put the Wolves just ahead of the mible jumble that the Clips, Mavs, Jazz, Rockets, and Nuggets are in, and behind the Lakers, and I'm severely underating Lebron.

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Now I'm not saying Kevin Love

Now I'm not saying Kevin Love should win the MVP award and all that crap but I wouldn't be upset if he ends up 6-8 in the voting if his team makes the playoffs. He's having a historical season, he's the only player in league history to average 26ppg+, and 13rpg+, while making Atleast TWO 3PT shots. He's made 95 and is on pace for about 110-130.

Like I said, he won't win the MVP award, and he shouldn't win the MVP award but being in the discussion of the 5-8 range if his team makes the playoffs isn't ridiculous either.

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"No I'm not kidding, I asked

"No I'm not kidding, I asked a question cuz personally I dont think they would be that much better as far as record goes. That is less about K. Love v. LBJ, and all of a product of how bad the pieces that are currently active on this roster are. Even with LBJ instead of Love this team is only marginally above a .500 caliber bball team."

LeBron could take any team in the NBA to 45 wins in an 82 game season. Give him Pek, Rubio, D-Will, Beasley, Ridnour and he'd easily win 50+ games. LeBron could guard PF's better then Love could and it's not like D-Will and Beasley can't play it too. They are most certainly a much better team. The only two teams that trading there star players for LeBron that don't get a ton better are Orlando and OKC.

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@aamir

Yeah exactly. It should be like the NFL, where you have the national tv games all scheduled, but later in the season the games can be flexed and the games that everyone wants to see would get bumped up to national tv and the other game goes back to just local.

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Lebron is the most

Lebron is the most underappreciated player in history. You could literally go sign just a bunch of 35 year old free agents and then throw Lebron on the team and it is a playoff team.

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If LeBron can take a team

If LeBron can take a team with Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Anderson Varejao, and Delonte West to 66 wins, he can take a team of Rubio, Beasley, Williams, Pek and Rick Adelman to 55+ wins without breaking a sweat. Outside of Steve Nash, I don't know of another player that makes his teammates that much better and he probably makes his teammates better than Steve Nash does.

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Yeah I wish I could watch

Yeah I wish I could watch more of the Wolves games on TV outside of FSN north but.. When they aren't on TV I just use this site: http://www.basknet.info/live/ some of the links are good quality and I mean hey, you get to watch any team play really lol

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Finally someone who gets it.

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"Question: If you replace K.

"Question: If you replace K. Love with LBJ on the Wolves squad, do they become significantly better than they already are?"

Stuff like this man. I just dont get it.

"JNixon- dont be sorry, the Wolves arent on ESPN so I understand why you wouldnt see it. Watch them and you would see it"

Not sure you know who you're talking to, but I just hope you know better than to think Im going to get on here and post about someone I havent seen play alot. Get real and try again some other time.

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Lebron is the most

Lebron is the most underappreciated player in history. You could literally go sign just a bunch of 35 year old free agents and then throw Lebron on the team and it is a playoff team.

Uhhhhh, wrong

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Lebron is the most

Lebron is the most underappreciated player in history. You could literally go sign just a bunch of 35 year old free agents and then throw Lebron on the team and it is a playoff team.

Uhhhhh, wrong

Uhhhh, no you are wrong.

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Im busy right now so Im going to reply back to Nbanflguy

Later... But I just had to comment on this bull sh*t right here... So its confirmed that at least 7 of you idiots don't know what GOOD basketball really is... Unless he didn't give himself a thumbs up its 8... Are you guys fawking kidding me??? Really??? My mother knows a 3pt shot is the worst shot to take in basketball... Why would any of you jack asses think that its not??? Its 25 feet away from the basket!!!!!!!!!! A good percentage is 35%... If someone run around shooting 35% from the freethrow or in FG% they are bums... Come on this is COMMON SENSE... 2 feet from the basket > 25 feet from the basket... I've heard it all... Why you think Jordan and other greats didn't use the 3pt line like that??? Because they know its the worst shot to take man... I mean I can go all day on how stupid yall muh fawkas are... That's dumb as fawk... SMFH...

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The 3 pt shot is the worst in

The 3 pt shot is the worst in basketball? Tuck, you lose. Stop.


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" My mother knows a 3pt shot is the worst shot to take in basketball... Why would any of you jack asses think that its not??? Its 25 feet away from the basket!!!!!!!!!! A good percentage is 35%... If someone run around shooting 35% from the freethrow or in FG% they are bums... Come on this is COMMON SENSE... 2 feet from the basket > 25 feet from the basket... I've heard it all... Why you think Jordan and other greats didn't use the 3pt line like that??? Because they know its the worst shot to take man... I mean I can go all day on how stupid yall muh fawkas are... That's dumb as fawk... SMFH..."

Risk vs. reward. The average player has a 35% chance of making a three-pointer on a single possession (league-wide average) against a 48% chance of making a two-pointer on a possession (est. league-wide average). Assuming a team takes ten three-point shots in a single game, they'd be expected to score on three or four of those attempts. That's nine or twelve points on ten shot attempts. If they didn't take any threes, then on those ten possessions, they would have been expected to score around ten points instead. On average, the risk of taking threes will pay off. That's not taking into account the fact that outside shooters space the floor for their teammates, making shots inside the arc significantly easier.

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he is having a good season

He is having a good season i just dont know how he dose it being a unathletic feet like glue kind of guy. he has to be the most unathletic guy ever to put these numbers up. i remember when the best player in his high school class 07' and argubley the best player in college the year he went 07-08 Michael Beasley and now teammate not better then Kevin Love? He use to destroy him in aau and other events his game was light years better. last year im telling you Beasley had the better season this year the coach loves Kevin love and dont like bBeasley Im telling you i dont know what is going on with this i would have put my last dollar that Michael Beasley was going to be a better pro then Kevin Love this just dosnt make sence to me?

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Nevermind his 35 inch vert

"He is having a good season i just dont know how he dose it being a unathletic feet like glue kind of guy. he has to be the most unathletic guy ever to put these numbers up. i remember when the best player in his high school class 07' and argubley the best player in college the year he went 07-08 Michael Beasley and now teammate not better then Kevin Love? He use to destroy him in aau and other events his game was light years better. last year im telling you Beasley had the better season this year the coach loves Kevin love and dont like bBeasley Im telling you i dont know what is going on with this i would have put my last dollar that Michael Beasley was going to be a better pro then Kevin Love this just dosnt make sence to me?"

Nevermind his 35 inch vert and his 3/4 sprint that was equal to Chris Paul's. Kevin Love is a great athlete.

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The casual basketball fans

The casual basketball fans are exposing themselves big time

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JNixon- I know exactly who

JNixon- I know exactly who I'm talking to and I think you are a top 5 poster on this site no doubt. That doesnt mean I'm not going to challenge something you say if I disagree with it.

Perhaps I came across wrong, If you have seen Love play alot and still have that opinion, more power to ya, but I personally just dont see it that way. I certainly dont intend on coming across as high and mighty or insulting though.

Judging Love by the teams record is silly, wins and losses are an indicator, but not the prime indicator.

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Tuck the three point shot is

Tuck the three point shot is bad for guys like D-Wade and Lebron who shoot 30% from there and can get a much better shot closer to the rim. Remember, a Three Point shot is worth three points, which is why a three point percentage above 37.5% is considered good. Now I will agree that a lot of guys are settling for that shot a bit too much. In his last year in Cleveland, Lebron attempted an average of 5 threes a game, thank goodness that's down to 2 this season. Kevin Love is 9-19 on field goals on average, 2-5 from three(I'm rounding a bit) his field goal percentage is 45.4%, and his Three point percentage is 39%. Let's say those 5 attemps are 2 point shots, and he shoots it at 48%, the percentage at which he shoots 2 point field goals. 2 times 3 is 6 he gets off the three point attempt. Now if those 5 attempts are two point field goals, than he makes 2.4 of those 5. 2.4 times 2 is 4.8. Just trying to prove that at the rate and number of threes he's taking, he's doing just far in regards to total points scored. Sure 5 threes a game is a little up there for a big power foward that you want to see battle inside a bit more, but he still hits the boards, and he shoots it at 39%. When Lebron took 5 threes a game he shot is at 33%, going 1.7 for 5. that equals 5.1 points off the three. His percentage shooting two point field goals is a whopping 56%. That means he makes 2.8 of those 5 if those are two point field goals, meaning he scores 5.6 off of those shots now. Doesn't seem like a big difference, but it defeinatly does benefit a guy like Love to shoot threes if he's shooting it at a good percentage. And if I'm a defender I'm begging James to take that three, rather than drive to the hoop and get a dunk or a foul, and he did bail out the defense that season on 1/4th of his shots. Now he only shoots the three on 1/9th of his possesions, a big reasons why he is shooting 53.3 percent from the field, one of the best percentages I've seen from a perimeter player ever, and this is during a condensed crap of a schedule. And shooting the three does more than just give you more points, it spreads the floor, opens opportunities for other guys, in Love's case It's takes a big out of the middle which creates room for drivers, and as Love develops his dribling skills, he'll be able to take guys off the dribble, a skill that would have made guys like KG and Chris Webber so much more dangerous had they been able to shoot the three.

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K Love

Is Kevin Love the best player in the NBA? Not at the the moment but he's a unbelievable talent on a developing team that's learning to win. Love is good enough of a player to be a #1 option on a contending team. He's the player Blake Griffin aspires to be even though many people on here have stated Blake is the better of the two. Love doesn't have the the awards of the top players at this point but I'd be willing to bet most players would rather play sidekick on a Kevin Love team than a Lebron James team.

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^Another wrong statement. Why

^Another wrong statement. Why do we act as if Lebron is a ball hog that only wants to score and a terrible teamate too? As great a teamate Love is, and as cocky a guy like Lebron might be(To be great, you need to have that edge, MJ might not have been arrogant, but he was definatly cocky) but Lebron is the ultimate all around player. When you play with Lebron, it makes things so much easier for YOU. He drives and attacks the basket, shoots a high percentage so you know he doesn't force much or anying, and then he handles the ball, initiates the offense, runs the break, and makes plays for YOU? Daniel Gibson is still a great three point shooter, shooting 40% from three this year and last with his career low being 38%, but guess what percentage he shot during Lebron's last season, 48% from three. Why? Lebron would penetrate, the help would come, and instead of forcing up an off balanced triple teamed shot, he'd kick it out to a wide open Boogie for a three. I repeat 48%! He shot 42, 44 and 38 the other seasons Lebron was there, but that 48 has to have somthing to do with Lebron's driving and passing, and it's no surprise that was the year Lebron averaged a career high in assists. Mo Williams has shot over 40% from three just twice in his career, and it just happened to be the two years he played with Lebron, he shot 43% and 44% from three those two seasons, and shot 32% from three last season, and was shooting 26% from three in his half a season with Cleveland. Although he has rebounded nicely by shooting 38% this season, we can't ignore the sudden spike and plunge in shooting %s when guys are with and without Lebron.

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So apparently people think

So apparently people think that guys would rather go to Minnesota to play with Kevin Love, rather than Sout Beach to play with Lebron James? I mean I love Kevin Love, but there is a reason Mo Williams went into depresion when Lebron left Cleaveland. There is a reason Haslem stayed in Miami and left 13 million on the table when he could have gone to Denver. There is a reason that Cleveland got any Free Agents when Lebron was there. Sure they didn't get any marquee Free Agents, and Larry Hughes was the biggest aqusition, and that didn't pan out, but people WANT to play with Lebron. He makes things easier for his teamates, he is a willing passer, and creates plays for others. He is one of the rare non-point guards that makes his teamates look good. He obviously doesn't deserve half of Anderson Varejao next contract, like K-Mart should've to Kidd, but it was obvious guys want to play with him. Does anyone really want to argue that players would rather go to Minny to play with Love, than go to Miami to play with Lebron?

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i dont think anyone said that

i dont think anyone said that Love should be MVP.... but some have said MVP considerations like 8th place or sumthin... and im fine with that.... just like i said.... the wolves are playing with lots of injuries....and his supporting cast isnt anything that good..... gotta give adelman credit to..... hes putting up insane numbers and his team currently is 25-28 which to me is pretty damn good considering the supporting cast and injuies.... and last season when they won only 17 games.... and currently as of this season... i would take Love over Griffin..... and it seems lebron can take any team and make them make the playoffs cuz the guy is just that good.... and to add to what TOL said... i think guys like chris paul, steve nash, lebron and kobe can make a team so much better..... esp. what nash is doing in PHX.... its crazy

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"No I'm not kidding, I asked

"No I'm not kidding, I asked a question cuz personally I dont think they would be that much better as far as record goes. That is less about K. Love v. LBJ, and all of a product of how bad the pieces that are currently active on this roster are. Even with LBJ instead of Love this team is only marginally above a .500 caliber bball team."

LeBron could take any team in the NBA to 45 wins in an 82 game season. Give him Pek, Rubio, D-Will, Beasley, Ridnour and he'd easily win 50+ games. LeBron could guard PF's better then Love could and it's not like D-Will and Beasley can't play it too. They are most certainly a much better team. The only two teams that trading there star players for LeBron that don't get a ton better are Orlando and OKC.

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I was talking about them with the current active players...so that is minus Pek and Rubio.

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He'd still win 45 games w/o

He'd still win 45 games w/o them. His teams in Cleveland weren't a whole lot better and he always made at least the 2nd round. I could maybe understand if the team was built to rely 100% on Love like Orlando does with Howard but that's not the case. LeBron would win 45+ games with virtually any NBA roster.

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See that's not what I said...

I said the 3pt shot is the WORST shot to take in basketball... I didn't say it wasn't needed... I didn't say it wasn't worth 3 points... All I said its the worst shot to take in basketball period... This is just common sense... Oscar Robertson only took close shots, Jordan shot from mid-range, Bird etc... The reason because you shoot a higher percentage the more you go in... The problem here though is not you actually hit 2-5 in every game you play... Its that some games you go 3-5 or 1-5... Which is why the 3pt shot is the most idiotic shot to depend on... Its fools gold... If you don't understand that IDK what to tell you...

Secondly, people were talking on this forum as if Kevin Love was the MVP... They mention him averaging numbers without Durant and LeBron's supporting cast (Maybe because he doesn't have a supporting cast that his numbers are inflated?? NO?? Ok carry on) Then said they don't see him being MVP without making the playoffs BUT you can make the case... Which received 13+ I say this because it shows you people agree with that statement... So don't say bul sh*t like "No one said he was the MVP" which yall just insinuated he was...

NOW!!! Myself, BTPH, and Indiana made the case as to why he's not the MVP... Shouldn't be in the Top 5 (and honestly after how Kobe got treated in 04-05 shouldn't get a vote period)... I honestly think he's a second option that's the problem... Maybe even 3rd... I don't think Kevin Love can be your Star player to take you to the promise land... For goodness sakes he's not in contention for a playoff spot during a crazy, short season... I think its unfair to the game of basketball and previous All-Stars/Greats to give this man so much without proving anything of value EXCEPT his own numbers... Kobe scores 35.4 a game takes his team to the playoffs and considered a ball hog... You have this white guy doing way less than that and he's MVP??? The reason you give me is that Kevin Love doesn't have teammates... Kobe did it with Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Kwame Brown in the starting line up... LMAO in a DEEPER Western conference... If that's not MVP worthy then whatever the hell Kevin Love doing sure aint it either...

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Ok people, he's not MVP. I'm

Ok people, he's not MVP. I'm sure no1 in the history of the nba has gotten MVP without making their team a top 4 seed. He deserves to mentioned because his stats are insane but he doesnt deserve MVP over durant or lebron.

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AAmir?

Put the crack pipe away... you are the one that started talking South Beach and Minnesota when it was LeBron James and Kevin Love that was the topic. Separate subjects completely. Now go off on your tangent you bonehead.

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^Excuse me? You're accusing

^Excuse me? You're accusing me of changing the topic? Not once did I try to put Minnesota down and make it sound like South Beach is better. I was just using those places to complete the sentences. So If you were a player, you would rather go to a team with a Kevin Love, who in his own right is an amazing player as I have repeatedly said, but opposed to play with Lebron? A walking triple double that gets you the ball in the right passes, and sees his teamates like no other non-guard can? There is a reason he passes up those last second shots, it's because he is triple teamed, and someone else is open. There is really somthing flawed with your thinking if you would rather go play with Kevin Love than Lebron basketball wise.

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For goodness sakes he's not

For goodness sakes he's not in contention for a playoff spot during a crazy, short season... I think its unfair to the game of basketball and previous All-Stars/Greats to give this man so much without proving anything of value EXCEPT his own numbers... Kobe scores 35.4 a game takes his team to the playoffs and considered a ball hog... You have this white guy doing way less than that and he's MVP??? The reason you give me is that Kevin Love doesn't have teammates... Kobe did it with Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Kwame Brown in the starting line up... LMAO in a DEEPER Western conference... If that's not MVP worthy then whatever the hell Kevin Love doing sure aint it either...

  1. Uhh he is in contention for a playoff spot......
  2. So skin color has something to do with playing basketball and being in the mvp discussion? Weird, I never knew that. Thanks for enlightening me.
  3. Who in the hell is saying Love is Kobe? You keep comparing the 2 and no one else is doing it.
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Look, I firmly believe Love

Look, I firmly believe Love should be 4th or 5th in MVP voting. Love is great player that is continuing to get better, but I agree with what Tuck is saying minus the skin color thing.

I don't think anyone here, even nbanflguy, thinks that Love should win the MVP. I think he should be All NBA First team, and I really think that if he can develop handles, he'll be unstopable, because imagine if Garnett had a three point shot, he'd be pumpfaking, and either he would sccore or a teamate would score each time.

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You agree with tuck?

Lets look at his arguments:

  1. Now this is the reason I give K. Love and Blake credit BUT I'm not going to be amazed that they are doing their job... If all of the current Top PF's in the game rebounded like they are suppose to I doubt we will say K. Love (and I know for a fact) Blake Griffin is Top 3 PF's in the game... But like I said I will give them their due so aye...

  2. I honestly feel like people think he's MVP because he's a WHITE GUY playing in a BLACK NBA...

  3. So its confirmed that at least 7 of you idiots don't know what GOOD basketball really is

  4. I mean I can go all day on how stupid yall muh fawkas are

  5. I honestly think he's a second option that's the problem... Maybe even 3rd

  6. ... For goodness sakes he's not in contention for a playoff spot during a crazy, short season

  7. Kobe scores 35.4 a game takes his team to the playoffs and considered a ball hog... You have this white guy doing way less than that and he's MVP???

Let me sum up his arguments for you: Powerforwards are supposed to rebound, but only Kevin Love and Blake Griffin do. If Dirk or Amare were as good at rebounding as Love and Blake then we wouldnt have this argument. I feel like he is mvp because he is a white guy playing in a black league. You are all idiots for not agreeing with me. I think he is a 2nd option on a good team, maybe even a 3rd. For goodness sakes he is not in contention for a playoff spot. Kobe is better and had a better season one year, but didnt get a mvp vote. So this white guy should not get a vote either.

Now my rebuttal: Well tough sh*t, they are not as good at rebounding. Rebounding is a skill and they are much worse at it then Kevin and Blake. I could just say "Oh if Kevin Love shot a better percentage like power forwards are supposed to, then we wouldnt have this argument." It is a horrible argument. Who cares about skin color? Being good at basketball or being in the MVP discussion has nothing to do with being black or white. No one said he should be mvp. All we said is that he should be in the discussion. I even said 8th-5th plave votes. Um dude he is in contention for a playoff spot. So you bring up skin color, and complain about rebounding skills, and dont know he is in playoff contention, but we are the idiots? It is possible to argue with out calling people idiots. I can understand saying he could be a 2nd option, but a 3rd option? I dont see it and I will say this one more time since you dont seem to grasp it, Kobe has nothing to do with Love, No one is comparing the 2 except for you, and SKIN COLOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BASKETBALL.

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^I didn't say I agreed with

^I didn't say I agreed with all of Tuck's posts, or all of his points, the only thing I agree with is that if we were so hard on Kobe, a guy that averaged 35 points and led a crap a$$ team to the playoffs, and didn't even place in the top three, than why are we having this arguement for Love. That is the only part of Tuck's I agree with, but I'm not sure what he was talking about with skin color. And some of you need to take some grammar classes, my head starts hurting when I read some of these really poorly written posts.

And for my own opinion, Love is a first option on a top 10 team. They were just hitting their stride with Rubio, and in a couple years when Rubio gets better and so does D-Will this team will be a top 5 team in the West. Had Rubio stayed healthy, they would've been a 7th or 6th seed this seaosn. Any team that has Love as a 2nd option is a chamionship contender, and third would be a dream team. Remember, he can score so well, spread the floor, and he hits the glass. He gives you everything he has, I just love his game.

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As I recall that year you had

As I recall that year you had plenty of people fighting for Kobe for MVP and upset at the voting. I was one of those people but I also feel what K Love is doing for the Wolves is incredible as well.

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Skin color has to do with this

I'm not saying anyone is racist but ON THIS SITE people mention he's doing all this in a dominant African American NBA... Let's be honest here there aren't ANY American White All-Stars in the NBA... Kevin Love is stricitly it... You can have Nash (more on him later) but he's from Canada... We tend to root for players that are the same race as us... You can dismiss this all you want but majority of people do... I'm not saying its right and I'm not saying its wrong, what I am saying is that it shouldn't hold any value on evaluating players...

When Steve Nash won his first MVP award he averaged 15 and 11... No where NEAR MVP numbers... Should have been MIP not MVP... Kobe who averaged 28, 6, and 6 didn't recieve a vote... You want to know why??? He just came off that rape case... You guys can sit here and act like that didn't play a part in that all you want BUT its the truth... Who votes for MVP??? Old white journalists... You think their votes won't sway a certain way??? The only reason Kevin Love is getting this much attention is because he's white... Don't believe me race isn't an issue... The Top 5 most hated athletes in America are Tiger, LeBron, Kobe, Mike Vick, and Chad... I like Kevin Love's game... He's averaging 26 and 13... Great numbers but those aren't coming in wins... Those are loses... Asking if he should get any love for what he's doing??? YES... BUT MVP worthy?? Hell no...

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