[European BasketballerParticipant]

http://esake.gr/main/index.php?pl=2&lng=gr&pfpar=YXJ0aWQ9NjcyNQ==

PLAYER RANKING 1st Place 2nd Place 3rd Place

1. Aleksandar Vezenkov 36 7 4 4
2. Lefteris Bochoridis 35 5 7 6
3. Dimitrios Katsivelis 27 7 2 2
4. Dimitrios Agravanis 18 2 3 6
5. Andreas Kanonidis 18 2 6 0
6. Giannoulis Larentzakis 10 0 3 4
7. Alexis Spanos 4 1 0 1
8. Vasileios Kavvadas 4 1 0 1
9. Terrell Stoglin 3 1 0 0
10. Linos Chrysikopoulos 2 0 1 0
11. Petros Melissaratos 1 0 0 1
12. Sokratis Psaropoulos 1 0 0 1
13. Vasileios Charalampopoulos 1 0 0 1

This shows level of Greek League is much higher than you TROLLS here claim. Terrell Stoglin was NCAA star in power conference and big program.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

[GrandmamaParticipant]

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Terrell Stoglin was a very marginal NBA prospect and he still ranked higher than Chrysikopoulos, the guy you were hyping up as a lottery talent. Stoglin’s presence on the list should not validate your inflated opinion of Greek hoops.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Terrell Stoglin was a very marginal NBA prospect and he still ranked higher than Chrysikopoulos, the guy you were hyping up as a lottery talent. Stoglin’s presence on the list should not validate your inflated opinion of Greek hoops.

[raybeasParticipant]

He may have thought he was, and thats why he declared early and went undrafted.

[BigMac12111Participant]

He violated Maryland’s code of conduct and was going to be suspended his whole junior season so he declared. He probably should’ve just waited it out and tried to come back very strong during his senior season though.

[BigMac12111Participant]

He violated Maryland’s code of conduct and was going to be suspended his whole junior season so he declared. He probably should’ve just waited it out and tried to come back very strong during his senior season though.

[raybeasParticipant]

He may have thought he was, and thats why he declared early and went undrafted.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

A non-Greek has NEVER won the best young player award. You also always say that the Euroleague Rising star never goes to the player that deserves it, yet the award in the Greek league always does? What is the basis for it? It seems to be more of a prospect based award than on actual seasonal merit. Terrell led the league in scoring at 19.9 ppg, Vezenkov averaged 4.1 ppg.

So, I guess some voter actually wanted to give the award to a person who had the better season rather than someone who is the better prospect. Aleks Vezenkov is a very promising prospect, going to the NCAA as opposed to playing in the Greek league next season. He will be going to Xavier and also hilariously enough, plays for Bulgaria nationally as opposed to Greece. Sure you must love that, European Basketballer. Terrell is nearly 4 years older than him and in all likelihood, Aleks will end up being a better player. Just saying, if this award is based on merit from this season as opposed to projection, Stoglin got robbed.

In other words, you are still a monster troll for posting the two sentences you did under the results without any actual facts.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Vezenkov’s father is coaching in Bulgarian basketball federation national teams so of course his son will play for Bulgaria instead of Greece, due to that.

And as far as I know he only verbally committed to Xavier. I don’t believe he actually made any official sign with them.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

http://www.goxavier.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/aleksandar_vezenkov_850984.html

Fly, fly to the NCAA, Aleks, fly, fly. Guessing he does better there than in Greek league, because the competition on the whole is not as strong. Just also guessing he will not win NCAA most outstanding prospect award without, you know, winning that award on merit. Your award is open for a lot of interpretation. Huge troll.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

http://www.goxavier.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/aleksandar_vezenkov_850984.html

Fly, fly to the NCAA, Aleks, fly, fly. Guessing he does better there than in Greek league, because the competition on the whole is not as strong. Just also guessing he will not win NCAA most outstanding prospect award without, you know, winning that award on merit. Your award is open for a lot of interpretation. Huge troll.

[TheTruth86Participant]

First – Alex’s father is GM of the biggest basketball team in Bulgaria – Lukoil Academic. He was interim coach in second half of 2013 season, but now steppin` back as GM and actually he never coached Alex or any national team of Bulgaria (junior or senior).
Second – Even if he wanted, Alex couldn’t play for Greece because he has no Greek citizenship. He was born in Cyprus thus having dual Cypriot and Bulgarian citizenship and is playing for Bulgaria’s u-20 and u-18 NT.
Third – Alex is 17!!! So, I believe this awards are based more on potential and Stoglin being 21-22 shoundn’t be on the list at all.
Fourth – It’s true that Alex has verbal agreement with Xavier and he’ll announce his decision sooner rather than later. I personally hope he will enroll in the NCAA,play at least two seasons there and declare for 2015 or 2016 NBA draft. I’m not saying all this only because I’m Bulgarian,but basketball specialists throughout Europe and the U.S. evaluate Alex as a big time prospect,with high – level basketball fundamental,great work ethic and pretty high ceiling. I wish him all the best and hope some day too see him playing in The League!

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He has Greek citizenship you moron.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He has Greek citizenship you moron.

[TheTruth86Participant]

First – Alex’s father is GM of the biggest basketball team in Bulgaria – Lukoil Academic. He was interim coach in second half of 2013 season, but now steppin` back as GM and actually he never coached Alex or any national team of Bulgaria (junior or senior).
Second – Even if he wanted, Alex couldn’t play for Greece because he has no Greek citizenship. He was born in Cyprus thus having dual Cypriot and Bulgarian citizenship and is playing for Bulgaria’s u-20 and u-18 NT.
Third – Alex is 17!!! So, I believe this awards are based more on potential and Stoglin being 21-22 shoundn’t be on the list at all.
Fourth – It’s true that Alex has verbal agreement with Xavier and he’ll announce his decision sooner rather than later. I personally hope he will enroll in the NCAA,play at least two seasons there and declare for 2015 or 2016 NBA draft. I’m not saying all this only because I’m Bulgarian,but basketball specialists throughout Europe and the U.S. evaluate Alex as a big time prospect,with high – level basketball fundamental,great work ethic and pretty high ceiling. I wish him all the best and hope some day too see him playing in The League!

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Vezenkov’s father is coaching in Bulgarian basketball federation national teams so of course his son will play for Bulgaria instead of Greece, due to that.

And as far as I know he only verbally committed to Xavier. I don’t believe he actually made any official sign with them.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

A non-Greek has NEVER won the best young player award. You also always say that the Euroleague Rising star never goes to the player that deserves it, yet the award in the Greek league always does? What is the basis for it? It seems to be more of a prospect based award than on actual seasonal merit. Terrell led the league in scoring at 19.9 ppg, Vezenkov averaged 4.1 ppg.

So, I guess some voter actually wanted to give the award to a person who had the better season rather than someone who is the better prospect. Aleks Vezenkov is a very promising prospect, going to the NCAA as opposed to playing in the Greek league next season. He will be going to Xavier and also hilariously enough, plays for Bulgaria nationally as opposed to Greece. Sure you must love that, European Basketballer. Terrell is nearly 4 years older than him and in all likelihood, Aleks will end up being a better player. Just saying, if this award is based on merit from this season as opposed to projection, Stoglin got robbed.

In other words, you are still a monster troll for posting the two sentences you did under the results without any actual facts.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

This doesn’t show anything… at all…

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

This doesn’t show anything… at all…

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Stoglin did NOT lead Greek League in scoring. Nikos Pappas did.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

19.9>16.8

Was not saying that Stoglin was better than Pappas. Just saying that Stoglin averaged more points than anybody else in the league did this season. You take it as him not scoring more points as he played in fewer games. All in interpretation. Just like the award you were claiming backed up a fact, that did nothing close to doing so.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

You said Stoglin led Greek League in scoring. He didn’t. Nikos Pappas did.

How many times do I have to explain to you guys here that eurobasket.com is not an official site?

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

However, despite poor shooting %, you know 19.9 ppg is more than 16.8 ppg, right? How many times do I have to explain that. The scoring title is not always called the "ppg" or "points" title, is it? It can mean the person that averages the most ppg, or the guy that scores the most points. Than you can differentiate. Troll. 

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Stoglin did NOT lead the league in scoring idiot. He did NOT qualify. They have rules, just like NBA and he did NOT qualify.

You are just making up a bunch of total BULLSHIT.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Stoglin did NOT lead the league in scoring idiot. He did NOT qualify. They have rules, just like NBA and he did NOT qualify.

You are just making up a bunch of total BULLSHIT.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

However, despite poor shooting %, you know 19.9 ppg is more than 16.8 ppg, right? How many times do I have to explain that. The scoring title is not always called the "ppg" or "points" title, is it? It can mean the person that averages the most ppg, or the guy that scores the most points. Than you can differentiate. Troll. 

[European BasketballerParticipant]

You said Stoglin led Greek League in scoring. He didn’t. Nikos Pappas did.

How many times do I have to explain to you guys here that eurobasket.com is not an official site?

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

19.9>16.8

Was not saying that Stoglin was better than Pappas. Just saying that Stoglin averaged more points than anybody else in the league did this season. You take it as him not scoring more points as he played in fewer games. All in interpretation. Just like the award you were claiming backed up a fact, that did nothing close to doing so.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Stoglin did NOT lead Greek League in scoring. Nikos Pappas did.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Stoglin shooting percentage was 35% from the field and 29% from 3 point range. He played on the 12 place team out of 14 teams in the league.

STOP greatly exaggerating and making up complete nonsense about how well he played in A1, just because it suits your biased agenda.

Stoglin’s numbers in a power school and conference in college:

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cbk/players.asp?id=97620

That is a STAR in NCAA and anyone saying otherwise is a pure troll and a LIAR.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Just saying that a guy who averages 19.9 ppg is usually seen as a better player, even with those percentages, than a guy who averaged 4.1 ppg. If the award were on merit as opposed to being on potential as a prospect, than he would be ahead of Vezenkov for this season. You claiming otherwise makes you a huge troll. I did not even say he did anything besides score more ppg than anyone in the league. Obviously, some people voted for him. Still, seems like this award is not exactly proof of you being anything more than a mega, monster troll.

May God having mercy on your troll.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

You do realize Eurobasket.com isn’t an official league website right?

Seriously, you do realize this right?

[European BasketballerParticipant]

You do realize Eurobasket.com isn’t an official league website right?

Seriously, you do realize this right?

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Just saying that a guy who averages 19.9 ppg is usually seen as a better player, even with those percentages, than a guy who averaged 4.1 ppg. If the award were on merit as opposed to being on potential as a prospect, than he would be ahead of Vezenkov for this season. You claiming otherwise makes you a huge troll. I did not even say he did anything besides score more ppg than anyone in the league. Obviously, some people voted for him. Still, seems like this award is not exactly proof of you being anything more than a mega, monster troll.

May God having mercy on your troll.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Stoglin shooting percentage was 35% from the field and 29% from 3 point range. He played on the 12 place team out of 14 teams in the league.

STOP greatly exaggerating and making up complete nonsense about how well he played in A1, just because it suits your biased agenda.

Stoglin’s numbers in a power school and conference in college:

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cbk/players.asp?id=97620

That is a STAR in NCAA and anyone saying otherwise is a pure troll and a LIAR.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

And I love how a guy shooting 35% from field and 29% from 3 point range, on one of the very worst teams in the league somehow “deserved the award without question on merit”…………..

Or that a guy scoring 22 a game in Maryland in NCAA in ACC conference was “definitely not an NCAA star”.

You guys are just way too much.

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

Hey, this comment was factual AND logical AND spoken by European Baller.

What a rare sight this is, Cynthias and gentlemen

[ProudGrandpaParticipant]

Hey, this comment was factual AND logical AND spoken by European Baller.

What a rare sight this is, Cynthias and gentlemen

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

It is not factual or logical. To be factual and logical, one would have to have actually said "he deserved the award, without question, on merit". All I was arguing was if it were on merit, he did more this season in the Greek league than Aleks Vezenkov. Hence, his entire argument being trolling garbage.

As is his whole, "Terrell Stoglin was a NCAA star and now is 10th place in this award" proving anything. Just another failed attempt at giving himself credibility, than squabbling over absolute garbage. For as poor as Stoglin shot, if the award were on merit, he would not have won it over Stoglin. It is an award based on potential, which Vezenkov obviously has more of than Stoglin. Hence, making his whole "winning the award over a NCAA star" thing complete, trolling, madness.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

It is not factual or logical. To be factual and logical, one would have to have actually said "he deserved the award, without question, on merit". All I was arguing was if it were on merit, he did more this season in the Greek league than Aleks Vezenkov. Hence, his entire argument being trolling garbage.

As is his whole, "Terrell Stoglin was a NCAA star and now is 10th place in this award" proving anything. Just another failed attempt at giving himself credibility, than squabbling over absolute garbage. For as poor as Stoglin shot, if the award were on merit, he would not have won it over Stoglin. It is an award based on potential, which Vezenkov obviously has more of than Stoglin. Hence, making his whole "winning the award over a NCAA star" thing complete, trolling, madness.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

You have LIED about 5 times in this thread and claimed Stoglin led Greek League in scoring, even though he did NOT.

You have zero credibility and your comments are invalid. All you have done in this whole thread is troll.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

You have LIED about 5 times in this thread and claimed Stoglin led Greek League in scoring, even though he did NOT.

You have zero credibility and your comments are invalid. All you have done in this whole thread is troll.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

And I love how a guy shooting 35% from field and 29% from 3 point range, on one of the very worst teams in the league somehow “deserved the award without question on merit”…………..

Or that a guy scoring 22 a game in Maryland in NCAA in ACC conference was “definitely not an NCAA star”.

You guys are just way too much.

[aamir543Participant]

I can’t wait to play with Vasileios Charalampopoulos in 2k, imagine being able to sign or draft a 16 year old. If we’re able to sign European players or draft them from the draft, I’m going to dedicate an association just to developing him.

[aamir543Participant]

I can’t wait to play with Vasileios Charalampopoulos in 2k, imagine being able to sign or draft a 16 year old. If we’re able to sign European players or draft them from the draft, I’m going to dedicate an association just to developing him.

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

you lost your pills again EB…

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

you lost your pills again EB…

[qDizzle32Participant]

I’d rather hear names of players who we would all know Mr. EB

[qDizzle32Participant]

I’d rather hear names of players who we would all know Mr. EB

[BigMac12111Participant]

How the heck is Terrell Stoglin a former star or at the very least a good player? He was a pretty darn good bench player his freshman year as his 46/36/82 shooting percentages and 11.4 ppg can attest to. Once he was the central player though, the two skills he could rely on was 3 point shooting and very questionable shot selection. It’s pretty obvious that the player he was his sophomore year is the player that he really is, as opposed to his freshman year.

So, um, congrats on showing us that a chucker with no apparent basketball skill other than long range shooting isn’t cutting it in a pro league….?

[BigMac12111Participant]

How the heck is Terrell Stoglin a former star or at the very least a good player? He was a pretty darn good bench player his freshman year as his 46/36/82 shooting percentages and 11.4 ppg can attest to. Once he was the central player though, the two skills he could rely on was 3 point shooting and very questionable shot selection. It’s pretty obvious that the player he was his sophomore year is the player that he really is, as opposed to his freshman year.

So, um, congrats on showing us that a chucker with no apparent basketball skill other than long range shooting isn’t cutting it in a pro league….?

[moochieeParticipant]

I love how this post is meant to show how strong Greek talent is, when the award for best young player actually went to someone who scored 4 points a game rofl

[moochieeParticipant]

I love how this post is meant to show how strong Greek talent is, when the award for best young player actually went to someone who scored 4 points a game rofl

[moochieeParticipant]

And furthermore, he refers to Terrell Stoglin as an NCAA ‘star’ who could only place 9th in the voting (proving that Greek players are better than him), only to have it revealed that Stoglin actually led the Greek league in scoring. Talk about your point backfiring on you hahaha

[moochieeParticipant]

And furthermore, he refers to Terrell Stoglin as an NCAA ‘star’ who could only place 9th in the voting (proving that Greek players are better than him), only to have it revealed that Stoglin actually led the Greek league in scoring. Talk about your point backfiring on you hahaha

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He didn’t lead the Greek League in scoring you imbecile. mikeyvthedon just made that up.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He didn’t lead the Greek League in scoring you imbecile. mikeyvthedon just made that up.

[moochieeParticipant]

Did Eurobasket make it up too? http://basketball.eurobasket.com/Stats/Greece/A1/1

Sure he played a few less games than others (though a healthy sample size), but even you can’t deny that he clearly had the highest PPG. Yeah yeah, and we’ve heard you say that Eurobasket isn’t the official website, but unless you can provide another source that refutes them, are we all just suppose to take your word for it that they’re lying?

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He didn’t qualify to lead the league. How many damn times do I have to explain that?

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He didn’t qualify to lead the league. How many damn times do I have to explain that?

[moochieeParticipant]

Did Eurobasket make it up too? http://basketball.eurobasket.com/Stats/Greece/A1/1

Sure he played a few less games than others (though a healthy sample size), but even you can’t deny that he clearly had the highest PPG. Yeah yeah, and we’ve heard you say that Eurobasket isn’t the official website, but unless you can provide another source that refutes them, are we all just suppose to take your word for it that they’re lying?

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

Greek league basketball is to the NBA what girls pre-teen church league softball is to Major league baseball.

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

Greek league basketball is to the NBA what girls pre-teen church league softball is to Major league baseball.

[Warned2820Participant]

How could the guy that led the Greek League in scoring be the 9th best young player? Sounds like the Greek version of David Stern is racist towards Americans.

[Warned2820Participant]

How could the guy that led the Greek League in scoring be the 9th best young player? Sounds like the Greek version of David Stern is racist towards Americans.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Probably because he did NOT lead the league in scoring genius.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Probably because he did NOT lead the league in scoring genius.

[Warned2820Participant]

Yes he did, do you even follow Greek basketball?

[Warned2820Participant]

Yes he did, do you even follow Greek basketball?

[European BasketballerParticipant]

NO HE DID NOT.

Nikos Pappas led the league in scoring.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Also, what the f#ck does this have to do with what I was saying about Stoglin averaging 15.8 ppg more than the person who won the award, which was the entire point of your trolling post in the first place? Vezenkov played two more games. You know what trolling is? Fretting over small, stupid details rather than actually providing any insight. Now go back to your Golden Dawn agenda and keep up your general xenophobia. By the way, I like Aleks Vezenkov a lot as a player. Had a really good game for BULGARIA in U18 Euro’s today.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Also, what the f#ck does this have to do with what I was saying about Stoglin averaging 15.8 ppg more than the person who won the award, which was the entire point of your trolling post in the first place? Vezenkov played two more games. You know what trolling is? Fretting over small, stupid details rather than actually providing any insight. Now go back to your Golden Dawn agenda and keep up your general xenophobia. By the way, I like Aleks Vezenkov a lot as a player. Had a really good game for BULGARIA in U18 Euro’s today.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

NO HE DID NOT.

Nikos Pappas led the league in scoring.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He has been living in Greece since he was 12. He is as Greek as Kobe was American before he came to NBA.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

He has been living in Greece since he was 12. He is as Greek as Kobe was American before he came to NBA.

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

Sorry I’m about 4 days too late but it seems I missed a goof ball pillow fight!!!!

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

Sorry I’m about 4 days too late but it seems I missed a goof ball pillow fight!!!!

[Greek Baller]

I will have to agree with european on this one, he did not qualify, I should know. Papas could score with the best of them in the NBA RIGHT NOW.. He is legit.. If you guys werent so biased, you’d see it.. It’s funny how you guys try to take the scoring title away from a Greek player and instantly giving it to an american player.. Surprise surprise.. Moochie im not even sure you know anything about anything to be honest, all you do is make claims, that are untrue.

[Greek Baller]

I will have to agree with european on this one, he did not qualify, I should know. Papas could score with the best of them in the NBA RIGHT NOW.. He is legit.. If you guys werent so biased, you’d see it.. It’s funny how you guys try to take the scoring title away from a Greek player and instantly giving it to an american player.. Surprise surprise.. Moochie im not even sure you know anything about anything to be honest, all you do is make claims, that are untrue.

[moochieeParticipant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

[moochieeParticipant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

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