[TRC1991Participant]

The following may disturb you, they may even make your stomach turn…they are BOLD…very, very bold. I know you all reserve the right to hand me a plethora of negatives..but…i…cant…resist

 

1) …umm ok so the first thing i want to talk about is tha…………..CARMELO WILL NEVER WIN A TITLE!………..yeah i said it. I cant stand watching carmelo play. It is almost like he thinks about 1 thing and 1 thing only and it is getting up a shot whether it be a good one or bad. I understand that Melo is a very good player but there is no way that a guy who simply doesn’t look to get his teammates involved when he has the ball will ever guide a team to a title

 

2) Monty Williams should probably shoot his d1ck off tonight for giving up on Marcus Thornton before he even gave him a chance…Thornton MAY BE A PRODUCT OF THE KINGS PATHETIC SYSTEM but he still has scored less than 20 points just 5 times since becoming a king. And williams really feels that a combination of marco belinelli and willie green is better? What a dumb son of a gun..(hes done a good job this season none-the-less in every other aspect of the biz)

yeah so basically the 2nd one wasn’t techniqally bold but rather an angry rant from a deranged fan

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

1. Melo did win the NCAA title. I mean its not the NBA but its got to count for something lol this guy can clearly win as a centerpiece. Leadership? Willingness to takeover? Its all there lol just gotta surround him with the right guys lol maybe Knicks should go get Hakim Warrick lol

2. Thorton was good with the Hornets last year too. He is defintely a proven scorer. Its just that to Monty Williams, his offense didn’t make up for the lackadaiscal defense. Especially considering that he has put an emphasis on defense with the Hornets.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

And Marco Billineli is a better defender than Thornton? That was a dumbs$$ trade by the hornets. A back court of Paul and Thornton would have been tough to stop.

[Mario88Participant]

1. I agree carmelo doesnt make his teammates better and it was dumb to join forces with another player who doesnt make his teammates better ,yea im talkn bout amare.

2. Thorton is a very udersized 2guard, so i guess monty williams didnt think he fitter with what they’re  trying to do defensively

[Jlv2011]

Kevin Martin 2.0 for the Kings

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

 WRROONG!!!! hes the next Mitch Richmond!

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Not sure on the first, but I do agree that it is not looking like it at this point. He is tremendously talented, he did lead Cuse to a title, however I think their are better players and teams out there. The Knicks could get Chris Paul, who knows, but I could see them having road blocks even with that trio. Not to mention, when they get that trio, they are going to clean out the cupboard as far as depth on their roster. It was a pipe dream to think that the Knicks would keep everyone at the start of the season and just add Melo/CP3.

With the 2nd one, I believe Monty’s genitals should remain intact. Thornton is a gunner, that is for sure, but I think you got it right on his being a product of their pathetic system. He is scoring at a great rate, but at the same time the Kings are stacking up L’s at a pretty consistent rate. Funny that your epiphany also comes after a game where the Kings beat a team that scored 22 points in a half not too long ago. Putting up 25 in a 40 point loss to the Bulls, even putting up 23 in a slugging of the T-Wolves, these are good performances, but my thoughts are garbage time could play a role. Not to mention, without Tyreke Evans, the Kings have been devoid of a scoring option. They have Cousins, but he is not a primary option at this point, and Marcus has done the job admirably, but he has not exactly been a team savior.

Meanwhile, you completely leave out what the Hornets got in the deal and why they made it. Carl Landry is not exactly a bad pick-up for a team that was devoid of scoring big men outside of their starting PF who could very well leave in free agency. The Hornets had much more of a need for post depth than depth at SG, where they have the two players you mentioned and can even use Jarrett Jack in a pinch. Obviously they were struggling at that position, and maybe Thornton would be the best of the bunch (he more than likely would), but than you would still have the post depth issue. Carl Landry is a great role player, and that is probably what Marcus Thornton should be as well. Also, in the 4 wins he has had with the Kings, they are against teams devoid of defense. He probably should have gotten more PT and more of a chance under Monty, but the Kings were in a different situation than the Hornets, in that they had no scoring guards besides one who is currently injured. Marcus has been awesome, and I am very impressed with what he has done, but I do not think the Hornets exactly got screwed on the trade. The NBA was mad they had to pay the difference in salary between Thornton and Landry, but I think most teams would have done that deal if they were the Hornets. I think the fact that Monty has this team back in the play-off picture is pretty decent, and I would not be surprised if Carl Landry becomes the Hornets new starting PF next season should David West bounce.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

 I’m not a huge Melo booster, but the NCAA title basically says you are wrong. I’m not saying Melo will win a title, the odds of ANY one player winning a title is low and in the NBA there tend to be dynasty teams and if you aren’t on one of them then even if you are a star and have a 15 year career, you probably aren’t going to win a title. But you are saying that no team can win with Melo on it; that he is some sort of cancer. I don’t agree with that. Now if you are saying "guide" his team to a title, well he doesn’t have to do that on the Knicks. Amare is the better player, Billups is the smarter player, those are your "guides" for the Knicks. Sure the Knicks don’t seem to have enough to win now. But they can add someone with the cap space they have. Will it be enough to beat the Heat, the Lakers, or Chicago next year? I doubt it. But that isn’t really a knock on Melo.

Note that if the Knicks had just stood pat and then just signed Melo for money next season, or D Howard, CP3, or D. Will the season after that, I’d like the Knicks’ chances a lot better (assuming Amare doesn’t get hurt). But Melo can be part of a championship team even with some defense problems and poor ball rotation.  

[HotSnotParticipant]

Melo was skinny at Cuse during that title run.  He was a different player.  I have a friend that was on the practice squad of that team and he says he can’t believe they won the championship.  Too many drugs, parties and most guys looked like fat old men with their shirts off.  He told me he used to HAVE to play one on one with Melo after practice.  It was the practice players job to do what the players who dressed for games wanted to make them better and he got destroyed most of the time.  Melo liked beating him up though.

I agree though, Melo is not a championship caliber player in the NBA because he has never learned to be a team player.  This is the same thing that took Kobe forever to learn.  There’s a time to be the man and take over a game but for the other 90% of the time your on the floor play within the offense and pick your spots.  Look for the best shots available, look for cutters and open guys and for gods sake LOCK DOWN DEFENSE!  Offense is only half the game and everytime another player has to help out on Melo’s man it scatters the rest of the defense.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Thornton is real good… Real good at putting up numbers on a team that’s playing for nothing.

There’s a reason he was traded… He doesn’t play a winning brand of basketball.

 

[butidonthavemoney]

"Offense is only half the game and everytime another player has to help out on Melo’s man it scatters the rest of the defense."

I’ve been preaching this for years. I don’t see Melo as a championship player either.

Marcus Thornton isn’t anything special either (especially defensively). I doubt the Hornets are going to be kicking themselves for trading him. I think mikeyv broke the situation down pretty well.

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

The Hornets and Kings trade was good for both teams, obviously Thornton did not fit well with Monty and Landry was really struggling this year on the Kings, they both fit much better with their new teams. However, I take offense to people saying that Thornton is a product of the Kings pathetic system. Thornton has been playing noticeably better and more efficiently on both sides of the floor since the trade, sure he will never be known as a defensive stopper but he is not a terrible defender, he is a very scrappy defender who is great at playing the passing lanes and is averaging 1.8 spg since coming to the Kings. He may not be able to stay in front of a Rose or Westbrook but not many can. He is also extremely efficient on the offensive end, it is not as if he is chucking up a bunch of shots to average his 22+ ppg, shooting 48% from the field and 43% from three, as well as improving his ft% from 75% to over 80%. He has also been putting up 3.8 rpg and 3.4 apg, which is very respectable for a player who has been with the team for less than a month and is only in his 2nd season in the NBA.

The real test for him will be to see how he and Tyreke will play together in the backcourt. Watching Thornton play now I would have to say that it seems as if he would complement Tyreke very well, he can play well off the ball, is a great long range shooter, is best suited to guard the other teams non dominant guard (Tyreke usually takes on the other teams more skilled guard), and has shown so far to be a willing passer, descent rebounder, a high energy player (b/c Tyreke is not exactly known as a high energy personality), and a good teammate with the current Kings roster. So while Thornton may have slightly inflated numbers until Tyreke comes back, I would say that he has proved to be something better what many people here are giving him credit for.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Lol @ Marco Bellinelli! Hahaha he was riding the bench when Derozan was averaging 8-ppg as a rookie. Sad..

Thornton scores alot better on the ball then off the ball, Belinelli can score off the ball easil FINDING open spaces for jumpshots and layups. Thornton creates them. Paul is too ball dominant to allow Thornton to create that kind of offense. Thats Montys reasoning but I still dont agree withit, you cant just give that kind of offensive talent up, they shouldve compromised the situation and found a way too keep Thornton is games by giving him more iso oppurtunities or something. I think Sacramento will have a bit of a dilemna when we say Evans play with Thornton but a good dilemna.

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