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13 positions?

http://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/04/analytics-basketball -- Full Article

Some might find this interesting or weird.

For me I thought it was pretty interesting. This guy is basically saying there isn't 5 positions anymore its 13.

  1. Offensive Ball-Handler. This guy handles the ball and specializes in points, free throws and shots attempted, but is below average in steals and blocks. Examples include Jason Terry and Tony Parker.
  2. Defensive Ball-Handler. This is a defense-minded player who handles the ball and specializes in assists and steals, but is only so-so when it comes to points, free throws and shots. See also: Mike Conley and Kyle Lowry.
  3. Combo Ball-Handler. These players are adept at both offense and defense but don’t stand out in either category. Examples include Jameer Nelson and John Wall.
  4. Shooting Ball-Handler. Someone with a knack for scoring, characterized by above-average field goal attempts and points. Stephen Curry and Manu Ginobili are examples.
  5. Role-Playing Ball-Handler. These guys play fewer minutes and don’t have as big a statistical impact on the game. Hello, Arron Afflalo and Rudy Fernandez.
  6. 3-Point Rebounder. Such a player is a ball-handler and big man above average in rebounds and three-pointers, both attempted and made, compared to ball-handlers. Luol Deng and Chase Budinger fit the bill.
  7. Scoring Rebounder. He grabs the ball frequently and demands attention when on offense. Dirk Nowitzki and LaMarcus Aldridge play this position.
  8. Paint Protector. A big man like Marcus Camby and Tyson Chandler known for blocking shots and getting rebounds, but also for racking up more fouls than points.
  9. Scoring Paint Protector. These players stand out on offense and defense, scoring, rebounding and blocking shots at a very high rate. Examples include Kevin Love and Blake Griffin.
  10. NBA 1st-Team. This is a select group of players so far above average in every statistical category that the software simply groups them together regardless of their height or weight. Kevin Durant and LeBron James fall in this category.
  11. NBA 2nd-Team. Not quite as good, but still really, really good. Rudy Gay and Caron Butler are examples.
  12. Role Player. Slightly less skilled than the 2nd-team guys, and they don’t play many minutes. Guys like Shane Battier and Ronnie Brewer fall under this position.
  13. One-of-a-Kind. These guys are so good they are off the charts — literally. The software could not connect them to any other player. Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard are examples, but you already knew that.


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Interesting read. I dont see

Interesting read.

I dont see a position that Mark Madsen would have played though......

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I find it weird that Rose is

I find it weird that Rose is one-of-a-kind and LeBron is NBA 1st team. Interesting article though.

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Paint Protector. A big man

  1. Paint Protector. A big man like Marcus Camby and Tyson Chandler known for blocking shots and getting rebounds, but also for racking up more fouls than points.
  2. Scoring Paint Protector. These players stand out on offense and defense, scoring, rebounding and blocking shots at a very high rate. Examples include Kevin Love and Blake Griffin.

these ones don't make much sense especially Love and Griffin do not block any shots and Chandler used to but does not block shots anymore just holds his arms up to stay out of foul trouble

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Not exactly positions, more

Not exactly positions, more like roles.

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Mark Madsen= paint protector

Mark Madsen= paint protector lol

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Mark Madsen= paint protector

Mark Madsen= paint protector lol

His 2.6 rpg and .2 bpg beg to differ....

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Meh...

Any article that rates LBJ below Rose isn't worth much. And I'm a huge DRose fan.

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Yikes, Caron Butler shouldn't

Yikes, Caron Butler shouldn't be under all second team.

And the examples of the scoring paint protector being Blake and KLove? It says that player should stand out on both offense and defense. Blake doesn't really excel at either although he does score at a good clip, and both are very shoddy defenders.

Lebron definitely falls under one of a kind

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Yea there really should be a position just labeled Scrub.

14.) Scrub - Anyone who hardly contributes, averages less minutes then the Bobcats wins this season, and however consitanlly leads the team in Hi-Fives. Example Brian Scalbrine + Luke Walton + Adam Morrison + Mark Madson + Hell If your white, kinda tall, goofy looking, can "tag up layup" and can make a few foul shots, you fit this catagory.

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Yea there really should be a position just labeled Scrub.

14.) Scrub - Anyone who hardly contributes, averages less minutes then the Bobcats wins this season, and however consitanlly leads the team in Hi-Fives. Example Brian Scalbrine + Luke Walton + Adam Morrison + Mark Madson + Hell If your white, kinda tall, goofy looking, can "tag up layup" and can make a few foul shots, you fit this catagory.

I agreed with almost everything you said, but I had to give you a -1 for calling the White Mamba a scrub.... sorry man...

I will probably go back later and give you a +1, but I am too emotional right now.

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When they said Caron was all

When they said Caron was all NBA 2nd team that does not mean he is a top 10 player it is a bad title, but the definition basically just said he is abover average at everything, at least in his prime that was the case, he was a + athlete, shooter, rebounder, handler, defender

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I agree that Caron was a fine

I agree that Caron was a fine player in his prime, but that title nO longer applies for a 32 year old who seemingly gets injured every year.

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^Lol

First and Formost I Love The White Mamba, however I was just being realistic.

With that said I respect your decision making with the points. However I do disrespect Mike Dunleavy(Don't Ask)

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#15

Scalabrine. The NBA just can't handle his awesome ginger-ness, and deserves a position of its own in all its gloriousness.

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white mamba averages 20 high

white mamba averages 20 high fives a game

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Patty Mills averages 40 high fives a game...Get on his level.

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You can neva eva, eva eva,

You can neva eva, eva eva, eva eva, get on Patty Mills level.

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This is kinda stupid.. how

This is kinda stupid.. how can he call these positions?

He kinda missed the I guess you would call it "3 point defender".. something like that?

Someone like Batum, Battier or Bruce Bowen who stand in a corner waiting for a three and save their energy for defence.

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This article is a joke 'One

This article is a joke 'One of a Kind??' that surely fits LeBron to a tee, we'll see another Derrick Rose come out, hell there is one in the league now in Russell Westbrook, very similar games. We've seen Dwight's before, can anyone say Alonzo Mourning, but WE WILL NEVER SEE ANOTHER LEBRON.......

We've practically seen another Jordan, Kobe is damn near his carbon copy, but I repeat, there will never be another person that has all the attributes that LeBron has, size, strength, speed, skill, willing passer, the list goes on and on. LeBron falls into the category of Shaq, Larry Legend and Magic, there will never be another and the saddest thing is that LeBron is taken for granted and it will be the saddest day when he hangs up his sneakers and retires because maybe then people will realize the greatness they witnesses instead of criticizing him for such stupid little things. Who else puts up 27, 7 ,7 every night?

People need to getover the LeBron hate and look past his ego (people looked past Jordans, and we all know his ego was in universal proportions) and give the man some love, before it's too late.

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I'm sure every team would

I'm sure every team would like to start five-one of a kinds.... It isn't the same as starting 5 power forwards though, etc. How can you qualify something as a position when its not something every team has?

Offensive Ball-Handler. This guy handles the ball and specializes in points, free throws and shots attempted, but is below average in steals and blocks? Jason Terry and Tony Parker.

This doesn't even make sense. I'm pretty sure just about all the players who go into the "offensive ball-handler" category are below average in blocks, besides Dwayne Wade and Lebron of course. Also, when did Jameer Nelson become "adept at defense?"

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Not sure I would call Blake

Not sure I would call Blake Griffin a good defender..haha but other than that it's certainly a very interesting article.

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Egh, it's okay.... They

Egh, it's okay....

They didn't have a position for elite wing defender. A guy who isn't a primary ball handler, but who's main duty is to stop the opponents' biggest wing threat. It's a very important "role" that they completely ignored.

Thabo, Tony Allen, Battier, Luol Deng ( not 3 point rebounder ) Iman Shumpert and others like this are examples.

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Bad

Yeah this was pretty bad. I came in looking forward to reading this, thinking it would make a lot of sense because I am always making roles for my players of 2K. But this was quite frankly a let down. They made up 10 stupid roles that cover like 1/3 of the NBA and then decide we'll throw the other 2/3 of the league into 1st team, 2nd team, or bench. It just is stupid. Like other of you have pointed out, how is Kevin Love and Blake Griffin a defensive stopper? How is Derrick Rose above LeBron? Crazy. I don't even like LeBron but nothing is more frustrating than when people act like other players are more a freak of nature than him. The only person who is arguable in that department is Dwight. I know this is a tough list to make, but damn, I think I could have made a better one than this.

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*sigh

Looks like I'm too late for a Brian Scalabrine joke =(.

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this article kinda

this article kinda stinks......

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players

I've got:

1. SUPERSTAR

2. ALL STAR

3. Core Guy

4. Sixth Man

5. Rotation player

6. Specialist -- a rotation guy who is specializes in one thing. Steve Kerr for 3's. Matt Bonner for 3's.

7. Bench Filler -- the last few guys at the end of the roster. Maybe the last 2 or 3.

8. Veteran bench guy -- all teams don't have one, but he is a veteran who might play 15 minutes a week. Deep bench player. His experience makes him a decent spot player in an emergency, but is more of a locker room type guy.

9. Rookie/project/D League guy -- the 12th or 13th man usually. Out there to fill out the roster. Usually a rookie or D Leaguer. A player who comes cheap who might have a future with the team.

Those are the different players. They can play any type or role in the game.

Different types of roles.

1. Pass-first point guard/distributor -- Steve Nash: Great passer.

2. Score first point guard -- Derick Rose, Russell Westbrook, John Wall.

3. The rare "20 points, 10 assists" star hybrid point guard. Can do it all: Chris Paul, Deron Williams

4. Spark-plug point guard -- a guy who crashes into the paint, passes, plays solid D. High end: Kyle Lowry, Isaiah Thomas. Low end: Jeremy Pargo.

5. Combo gunner -- Jason Terry as a super sub, or Jamal Crawford. Gilbert Arenas on the low end.

6. Classic combo guard -- a guard who can do it all, score and facilitate. D-Wade, James Harden, OJ Mayo

7. Defensive specialist wing player -- Tony Allen, Ronnie Brewer, DeShawn Stevenson, Matt Barnes too. Some of these guys can hit outside jumpers, some can't. Quincy Pondexter and DeMarre Carrol are two others. Iman Shumpert and Avery Bradley fit here now but could turn into combo guards.

8. Shooting specialist -- Ray Allen, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Kyle Korver, James Jones, Daquan Cook

9. Scoring wing player -- LeBron, Kevin Durant, Kobe Bryant, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, Joe Johnson, Tyreke Evans

10. Bruiser big man power forward -- Zach Randolph, Al Jefferson, Paul Milsap, Carlos Boozer to some extent. Kevin Love based on rebounding, toughness.

11. Finesse big man -- dangerous. can shoot, score, and board some. not overly physical. Dirk, Pau Gasol, Luis Scola, Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge somewhat. Oh, and Chris Bosh.

12. Utility forward: A forward or front court guy who can do it all. Iggy, Shawn Marion, Evan Turner fits here when he plays the 3. Chandler Parsons. Possibly Gordon Hayward if he doesn't turn out to be a scoring wing player.

13. Backup power forward: A key position now. A guy who can score, board, bang, and defend off the bench. Udonis Haslem, Taj Gibson, Mo Speights, Nick Collison, Kenyon Martin/Reggie Evans.

14. True center: Players who can score, rebound, and block shots/defend: Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Marcin Gortat. Nene when he plays center. Greg Monroe and DeMarcus Cousins are two younger versions.

15. Defensive-minded center, sometimes a specialist on the low end: Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah, Kendrick Perkins, Marcus Camby, Joel Anthony, Omer Asik. Serge Ibaka really fits here when the Thunder goes small. Chuck Hayes is an undersized center who plays good low-post position defense and rebounds well.

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