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- Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:39am #44499
willie wise fanParticipant1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4 Magic Johnson
5 Bill Russell
6 Oscar Robertson
7 Larry Bird
8 Kobe Bryant
9 Shaquille O’Neal
10 Elgin Baylor
11 Karl Malone
12 Tim Duncan
13 Bob Pettit
14 Jerry West
15 Hakeem Olajawon
16 Moses Malone
17 John Stockton
18 George Mikan
19 John Havlicek
20 Elvin Hayes
21 David Robinson
22 Jason Kidd
23 Nate Thurmond
24 Kevin Garnett
25 LeBron James
26 Charles Barkley
27 Julius Erving
28 Jerry Lucas
29 Bob Cousy
30 Isaiah Thomas
31 Willis Reed
32 Scottie Pippen
33 Walt Frazier
34 George Gervin
35 Rick Barry
36 Dirk Nowitzki
37 Steve Nash
38 Artis Gilmore
39 Patrick Ewing
40 Dominique Wilkins
41 Allen Iverson
42 Wes Unseld
43 Pete Maravich
44 Kevin McHale
45 Billy Cunningham
46 Reggie Miller
47 Tiny Archibald
48 Walt Bellamy
49 Dolph Schayes
50 Bill Sharman
51 Bob McAdoo
52 Clyde Drexler
53 Dave Cowens
54 Dwyane Wade
55 Gus Johnson
56 Paul Arizin
57 Hal Greer
58 Dave Debusschere
59 Sam Jones
60 Earl Monroe
61 George McGinnis
62 Bob Lanier
63 Gary Payton
64 Bernard King
65 David Thompson
66 Dennis Rodman
67 Adrian Dantley
68 Connie Hawkins
69 Jack Twyman
70 Dave Bing
71 Spencer Haywood
72 Bill Walton
73 James Worthy
74 Paul Pierce
75 Robert Parish
76 Mel Daniels
77 Lenny Wilkins
78 Chris Mullin
79 Dwight Howard
80 Dan Issel
81 Ray Allen
82 Lou Hudson
83 Alonzo Mourning
84 Zelmo Baety
85 Joe Fulks
86 Rudy Tomjanovich
87 Joe Dumars
88 Alex English
89 Roger Brown
90 Tracy McGrady
91 Tim Hardaway
92 George Yardley
93 Cliff Hagan
94 Vince Carter
95 Chris Paul
96 Ed Macauley
97 Gail Goodrich
98 Calvin Murphy
99 Kevin Johnson
100 Chet Walker
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:41am #727644
willie wise fanParticipantis it a good list a bad list? what do you think?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:46am #727646
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantJust some quick ones.
How in the world is Karl Malone above Tim Duncan?
What did Elgin Baylor do that Tim Duncan didn’t that puts Baylor ahead of him?
LeBron is easily top-15 at the very least.
Not a fan of this list but I realize it’s not easy to put together a list of the top-100 NBA/ABA players.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:53am #727650
willie wise fanParticipantthanks for the critisism elgin baylor in my opinion is a very hard player to rank i truely would love to put him higher because he was way ahead of his time with his athletisism and averaged 27 points 13 rebounds and 4 assists for his career i could definitely see rating duncan ahead of him to karl malone is top 2 in career points i think and i also feel that Lebron still has a long career ahead of him and thought that a lot of the players i put ahead of him like garnett hayes and thurmond and kidd have had better more accomplished careers because of how many years they have played in a few years Lebron will no doubt be 10-15 range but that is still a few years away imo very good critisism though
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 11:07am #727653
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantKudos for putting that together but IMO there are alot of problems with the list in terms of order. For example Jerry Lucas being at #28 is way too high. Likewise Lebron being at #25 is too low. Obviously it would depend on your criteria, but it makes no sense for Lebron to be that low unless you’re saying that his career has been too short, but in 9 seasons he has 6 All-NBA first team selections, 3 MVPs, and led his team to three finals appearances winning one, meaning he has already accomplished more than George Mikan and Nate Thurmond who are higher than him.
I also think Reggie Miller is way too high, a 5 time all-star who never got any higher credentials than 3 Third team All-NBA selections should not be higher than Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton or Dwyane Wade. Sure he was a great shooter but even in that regards Ray Allen should be at least as high, Allen has more All-star appearances, better career numbers, won a championship and was a better ball handler, passer and defender and is 35 spots lower.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 11:11am #727654
willie wise fanParticipantwell jery lucas and Nate Thurmond are 2 of the greatest rebounders in history and reggie miller made more crazy shots to win games than anybody
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 11:23am #727656
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantwell jery lucas and Nate Thurmond are 2 of the greatest rebounders in history and reggie miller made more crazy shots to win games than anybody
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Sure, Thurmond was one of the greatest rebounders in history but if you honestly think he was a better all-around player, more dominant or had an overall greater impact on the game than Lebron, Dr J, Isaiah Thomas and Rick Barry etc then you’re kidding yourself.
Reggie Miller made some crazy shots to win games? I guess if that’s your criteria, you can completely throw out the fact that Drexler and Wade were better at every facet of the game (attacking the rim, scoring, defending, passing, rebounding, ball-handling) other than shooting and have more career accomplishments to boot.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 11:25am #727658
willie wise fanParticipantwell dwight your opinions make sense but i feel that mine do to thanks for the critisism and if you think you can do better post your list when you complete it
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 12:07pm #727665
RUDEBOY_ParticipantI gave you a thumbs UP,just for attempting to make a top 100 list..Because its mostly based on a person’s personal opinion…..So you wont get everyone to agree on it.. I remember some people including Danny Ainge & Micheal Jordan were outraged that Dominique Wilkens wasnt on the 50 list….And guys like Peter Vescey couldnt believe Bill Walton was on the list…..Some even said some of the older players from the 50’s & 60’s wouldnt make a nba roster today…And how could they be among the 50 all time greatest?
The TOP 50 GREATEST List came out in 1996..I think guys like Garnett,Duncan,Kobe,Kidd,Wade,Dirk & Nash ,would be among that top 50 list,if 1 was made by the media today…..So you have to decide who gets taken out?
Guys like Bill Walton might be removed from the top 50 list..He was without a doubt 1 of the premier big men of all time..But he only had 3 or 4 years of dominance,before injuries destroyed his career…….
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 12:23pm #727666
BenchWarmerParticipantClyde and Duncan are a too low. Swich Shaq and Kobe, And Chris Paul should be ahead of Vince Carter for sure. But thumbs up, fairly solid!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 3:24pm #727688
WolfRobParticipantLebron top 10-15 range when it’s over…? No, Lebron is top 10-15 now… I think he’s top 5 when it’s over. Love him or hate him, you have to appreciate the greatness
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 3:46pm #727693
mikeyvthedonParticipantI may not agree with many of your choices, but you said you were going to do it and you followed through. For that, definitely have to give you props. Decided to update mine and here it is, based on NBA play, accomplishment and with tie breakers going to who I feel is the flat out better player. Would be glad to discuss it and will admit that it may have a slight bias towards the players I got to see play more in the closer to modern era:
Requirement: Minimum 10 years in the league or retirement
1) Michael Jordan
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Shaquille O’Neal
4) Bill Russell
5) Wilt Chamberlain
6) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
7) Larry Bird
8) Magic Johnson
9) Tim Duncan
10) Oscar Robertson
11) Hakeem Olajuwon
12) Julius Erving
13) Jerry West
14) Moses Malone
15) LeBron James
16) Elgin Baylor
17) Bob Pettit
18) Rick Barry
19) Isiah Thomas
20) Karl Malone
21) Kevin Garnett
22) George Mikan
23) John Havlicek
24) Charles Barkley
25) David Robinson
26) Elvin Hayes
27) Walt Frazier
28) John Stockton
29) Scottie Pippen
30) George Gervin
31) Willis Reed
32) Bob Cousy
33) Walt Frazier
34) Dwyane Wade
35) David Thompson
36) Allen Iverson
37) Dirk Nowitzki
38) Kevin McHale
39) Bill Walton
40) Jason Kidd
41) Dominique Wilkins
42) Patrick Ewing
43) Paul Pierce
44) Gary Payton
45) Clyde Drexler
46) Tiny Archibald
47) Earl Monroe
48) Nate Thurmond
49) James Worthy
50) Dave Cowens
51) Pete Maravich
52) Wes Unseld
53) Bob McAdoo
54) Steve Nash
55) Bill Sharman
56) Ray Allen
57) Dolph Schayes
58) Sam Jones
59) Tracy McGrady
60) Billy Cunningham
61) Bernard King
62) Reggie Miller
63) Bob Lanier
64) Dave Bing
65) Paul Arizin
66) Jerry Lucas
67) Lenny Wilkens
68) Alonzo Mourning
69) Dennis Rodman
70) Jerry Lucas
71) Manu Ginobili
72) Joe Dumars
73) Hal Greer
74) Paul Arizin
75) Dennis Johnson
76) Tony Parker
77) Chris Mullin
78) Robert Parrish
79) Gail Goodrich
80) Artis Gilmore
81) Chauncey Billups
82) Dave DeBusschure
83) Spencer Haywood
84) Adrian Dantley
85) Carmelo Anthony
86) Ed Macauley
87) Alex English
88) Chris Webber
89) Gus Johnson
90) Vince Carter
91) Kevin Johnson
92) Grant Hill
93) Connie Hawkins
94) Pau Gasol
95) Mitch Richmond
96) George McGinnis
97) Dan Issel
98) Walt Bellamy
99) Maurice Cheeks
100) Dikembe Mutombo
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 4:18pm #727696
willie wise fanParticipanti would put kareem higher but i do like kobe at 2 i think hes a tough player to rank with everybody worthy of the spot he can go anywhere from 2-8. you have jerry l;ucas 2 spots lol you must like him even more than me. I would put gilmore and mcginnis higher and McGrady lower im my opinion. I love the david thompson pick i had him much lower but he had so much talent and because of his career being full of problems hes hard to rank. I think its a good list overall and obviously we have different opinions but i like it
0- Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 5:39pm #727713
mikeyvthedonParticipantLame, thought I checked it fairly well, guess I didn’t, lol. Well, here is an updated list, feel like a dumb@ss for that one:
Requirement: Minimum 10 years in the league or retirement
1) Michael Jordan
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Shaquille O’Neal
4) Bill Russell
5) Wilt Chamberlain
6) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
7) Larry Bird
8) Magic Johnson
9) Tim Duncan
10) Oscar Robertson
11) Hakeem Olajuwon
12) Julius Erving
13) Jerry West
14) Moses Malone
15) LeBron James
16) Elgin Baylor
17) Bob Pettit
18) Rick Barry
19) Isiah Thomas
20) Karl Malone
21) Kevin Garnett
22) George Mikan
23) John Havlicek
24) Charles Barkley
25) David Robinson
26) Elvin Hayes
27) Walt Frazier
28) John Stockton
29) Scottie Pippen
30) George Gervin
31) Willis Reed
32) Bob Cousy
33) Walt Frazier
34) Dwyane Wade
35) David Thompson
36) Allen Iverson
37) Dirk Nowitzki
38) Kevin McHale
39) Bill Walton
40) Jason Kidd
41) Dominique Wilkins
42) Patrick Ewing
43) Paul Pierce
44) Gary Payton
45) Clyde Drexler
46) Tiny Archibald
47) Earl Monroe
48) Nate Thurmond
49) James Worthy
50) Dave Cowens
51) Pete Maravich
52) Wes Unseld
53) Bob McAdoo
54) Steve Nash
55) Bill Sharman
56) Ray Allen
57) Dolph Schayes
58) Sam Jones
59) Tracy McGrady
60) Billy Cunningham
61) Bernard King
62) Reggie Miller
63) Bob Lanier
64) Dave Bing
65) Paul Arizin
66) Jerry Lucas
67) Lenny Wilkens
68) Alonzo Mourning
69) Dennis Rodman
70) Manu Ginobili
71) Joe Dumars
72) Hal Greer
73) Paul Arizin
74) Dennis Johnson
75) Tony Parker
76) Chris Mullin
77) Robert Parrish
78) Gail Goodrich
79) Artis Gilmore
80) Chauncey Billups
81) Dave DeBusschure
82) Spencer Haywood
83) Adrian Dantley
84) Carmelo Anthony
85) Ed Macauley
86) Alex English
87) Chris Webber
88) Gus Johnson
89) Vince Carter
90) Kevin Johnson
91) Grant Hill
92) Connie Hawkins
93) Pau Gasol
94) Mitch Richmond
95) George McGinnis
96) Dan Issel
97) Walt Bellamy
98) Maurice Cheeks
99) Dikembe Mutombo
100) JoJo White
Yeah, I think that my list would definitely be up for discussion. Once you get deep, it is really difficult to
separate. Tracy McGrady was so damned talented, think that when he was at his best he was a total force,
enough for him to at least be in the discussion for going that high. His lack of play-off, I guess "depth" might
be the best word to use, could put him lower. Kareem is a guy I have a hard time ranking so low. I know
most have him right after MJ, I just feel that those guys ranked in front of him either were better or in the case
of Bill Russell (who I am obviously partial too), the consummate winner of pro sports.
Their will be others Iwill have to add really soon. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams,
not tomention Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose among others. Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, even Andrew
Bynum if he is ever healthy all have legit chances as well. Glad you did this, would love for others
to step up and try as well. Also really like that while we may not agree, can definitely respect the others
opinion. In the end, all comes down to personal opinion. Always interesting to see someone’s outlook on the
vast history of great NBA players, especially if it takes into account a wide perspective.
0- Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 6:16pm #727725
mikeyvthedonParticipantThe formatting of moving my list from Word screwed it all up. Here is what it should look like, not that it was super profound or anything:
Yeah, I think that my list would definitely be up for discussion. Once you get deep, it is really difficult to separate. Tracy McGrady was so damned talented, think that when he was at his best he was a total force, enough for him to at least be in the discussion for going that high. His lack of play-off, I guess "depth" might be the best word to use, could put him lower. Kareem is a guy I have a hard time ranking so low. I know most have him right after MJ, I just feel that those guys ranked in front of him either were better or in the case of Bill Russell (who I am obviously partial too), the consummate winner of pro sports.
Their will be others I will have to add really soon. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams, not tomention Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose among others. Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, even Andrew Bynum if he is ever healthy all have legit chances as well. Glad you did this, would love for others to step up and try as well. Also really like that while we may not agree, can definitely respect the others opinion. In the end, all comes down to personal opinion. Always interesting to see someone’s outlook on the vast history of great NBA players, especially if it takes into account a wide perspective.
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- Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 5:46pm #727717
HaleParticipantI understand these lists are near impossible to make good, but I don’t see any argument for putting Jason Kidd above LeBron James.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/12/2012 - 7:30pm #727737
willie wise fanParticipanti like picks 65 and 73
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/13/2012 - 4:01am #727769
mikeyvthedonParticipantWell, have to give you even more props for not making any of those mistakes. Hard to make a 100 person list without repeats, at least for me, lol. Added a player I had kind of forgotten about, Sidney Moncrief. Here is my (hopefully) final list as of this year:
Requirement: Minimum 10 years in the league or retirement
1) Michael Jordan
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Shaquille O’Neal
4) Bill Russell
5) Wilt Chamberlain
6) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
7) Larry Bird
8) Magic Johnson
9) Tim Duncan
10) Oscar Robertson
11) Hakeem Olajuwon
12) Julius Erving
13) Jerry West
14) Moses Malone
15) LeBron James
16) Elgin Baylor
17) Bob Pettit
18) Rick Barry
19) Isiah Thomas
20) Karl Malone
21) Kevin Garnett
22) George Mikan
23) John Havlicek
24) Charles Barkley
25) David Robinson
26) Elvin Hayes
27) Walt Frazier
28) John Stockton
29) Scottie Pippen
30) George Gervin
31) Willis Reed
32) Bob Cousy
33) Walt Frazier
34) Dwyane Wade
35) David Thompson
36) Allen Iverson
37) Dirk Nowitzki
38) Kevin McHale
39) Bill Walton
40) Jason Kidd
41) Dominique Wilkins
42) Patrick Ewing
43) Paul Pierce
44) Gary Payton
45) Clyde Drexler
46) Tiny Archibald
47) Earl Monroe
48) Nate Thurmond
49) James Worthy
50) Dave Cowens
51) Pete Maravich
52) Wes Unseld
53) Bob McAdoo
54) Steve Nash
55) Bill Sharman
56) Ray Allen
57) Dolph Schayes
58) Sam Jones
59) Tracy McGrady
60) Billy Cunningham
61) Bernard King
62) Reggie Miller
63) Bob Lanier
64) Dave Bing
65) Paul Arizin
66) Jerry Lucas
67) Lenny Wilkens
68) Alonzo Mourning
69) Dennis Rodman
70) Manu Ginobili
71) Joe Dumars
72) Hal Greer
73) Dennis Johnson
74) Tony Parker
75) Chris Mullin
76) Robert Parrish
77) Gail Goodrich
78) Artis Gilmore
79) Chauncey Billups
80) Dave DeBusschure
81) Spencer Haywood
82) Adrian Dantley
83) Carmelo Anthony
84) Ed Macauley
85) Alex English
86) Chris Webber
87) Gus Johnson
88) Vince Carter
89) Kevin Johnson
90) Grant Hill
91) Connie Hawkins
92) Pau Gasol
93) Mitch Richmond
94) George McGinnis
95) Dan Issel
96) Sidney Moncrief
97) Walt Bellamy
98) Maurice Cheeks
99) Dikembe Mutombo
100) JoJo White
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:26am #728432
ItsVictorOladipoParticipantwell dwight your opinions make sense but i feel that mine do to thanks for the critisism and if you think you can do better post your list when you complete it
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To be honest I’ve just been killed with school work for the last week. Here’s my list of my top 20 players at each position. Obviously everybody is going to use different criteria and some players can fit into a couple different positions (Dave Bing and David Thompson for example), but I am taking ABA production into account and players must at least be entering their 8th year in the league. When I have some more time I’ll try to organize it into a top 100 list (that list will probably have a few extra centers and shooting guards and a few less point guards)
C
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Shaquille O’Neal
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Moses Malone
7. David Robinson
8. Patrick Ewing
9. George Mikan
10. Willis Reed
11. Dave Cowens
12. Nate Thurmond
13. Artis Gilmore
14. Bill Walton
15. Wes Unseld
16. Bob Lanier
17. Mel Daniels
18. Walt Bellamy
19. Alonzo Mourning
20. Robert ParrishPF
1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Bob Petit
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Charles Barkley
6. Elvin Hayes
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Kevin McHale
9. Jerry Lucas
10. Dolph Schayes
11. Dave DeBusschere
12. Bob McAdoo
13. George McGinnis
14. Dennis Rodman
15. Spencer Haywood
16. Chris Webber
17. Connie Hawkins
18. Gus Johnson
19. Pau Gasol
20. Chris BoshSF
1. Larry Bird
2. Julius Erving
3. Lebron James
4. Elgin Baylor
5. John Havlicek
6. Rick Barry
7. Scottie Pippin
8. Dominique Wilkins
9. Paul Pierce
10. James Worthy
11. Adrian Dantley
12. Alex English
13. Paul Arizin
14. Billy Cunningham
15. Chris Mullin
16. Bernard King
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. David Thompson
19. Grant Hill
20. Marques JohnsonSG
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Jerry West
4. George Gervin
5. Allen Iverson
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Clyde Drexler
8. Pete Maravich
9. Ray Allen
10. Reggie Miller
11. Tracey McGrady
12. Earl Monroe
13. Sam Jones
14. Hal Greer
15. Joe Dumars
16. Bill Sharman
17. Dennis Johnson
18. Vince Carter
19. Gail Goodrich
20. Sidney MoncriefPG
1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isaiah Thomas
4. John Stockton
5. Bob Cousy
6. Jason Kidd
7. Walt Frazier
8. Steve Nash
9. Gary Payton
10. Nate Archibald
11. Lenny Wilkins
12. Chris Paul
13. Dave Bing
14. Kevin Johnson
15. Tim Hardaway
16. Tony Parker
17. Gus Williams
18. Louie Dampier
19. Chauncey Billups
20. Maurice Cheeks0 - AuthorPosts
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