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100 greatest NBA and ABA players

1. Michael Jordan

2. Wilt Chamberlain

3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

4 Magic Johnson

5 Bill Russell

6 Oscar Robertson

7 Larry Bird

8 Kobe Bryant

9 Shaquille O’Neal

10 Elgin Baylor

11 Karl Malone

12 Tim Duncan

13 Bob Pettit

14 Jerry West

15 Hakeem Olajawon

16 Moses Malone

17 John Stockton

18 George Mikan

19 John Havlicek

20 Elvin Hayes

21 David Robinson

22 Jason Kidd

23 Nate Thurmond

24 Kevin Garnett

25 LeBron James

26 Charles Barkley

27 Julius Erving

28 Jerry Lucas

29 Bob Cousy

30 Isaiah Thomas

31 Willis Reed

32 Scottie Pippen

33 Walt Frazier

34 George Gervin

35 Rick Barry

36 Dirk Nowitzki

37 Steve Nash

38 Artis Gilmore

39 Patrick Ewing

40 Dominique Wilkins

41 Allen Iverson

42 Wes Unseld

43 Pete Maravich

44 Kevin McHale

45 Billy Cunningham

46 Reggie Miller

47 Tiny Archibald

48 Walt Bellamy

49 Dolph Schayes

50 Bill Sharman

51 Bob McAdoo

52 Clyde Drexler

53 Dave Cowens

54 Dwyane Wade

55 Gus Johnson

56 Paul Arizin

57 Hal Greer

58 Dave Debusschere

59 Sam Jones

60 Earl Monroe

61 George McGinnis

62 Bob Lanier

63 Gary Payton

64 Bernard King

65 David Thompson

66 Dennis Rodman

67 Adrian Dantley

68 Connie Hawkins

69 Jack Twyman

70 Dave Bing

71 Spencer Haywood

72 Bill Walton

73 James Worthy

74 Paul Pierce

75 Robert Parish

76 Mel Daniels

77 Lenny Wilkins

78 Chris Mullin

79 Dwight Howard

80 Dan Issel

81 Ray Allen

82 Lou Hudson

83 Alonzo Mourning

84 Zelmo Baety

85 Joe Fulks

86 Rudy Tomjanovich

87 Joe Dumars

88 Alex English

89 Roger Brown

90 Tracy McGrady

91 Tim Hardaway

92 George Yardley

93 Cliff Hagan

94 Vince Carter

95 Chris Paul

96 Ed Macauley

97 Gail Goodrich

98 Calvin Murphy

99 Kevin Johnson

100 Chet Walker


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opinions and critisism

is it a good list a bad list? what do you think?

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Just some quick ones. How in

Just some quick ones.

How in the world is Karl Malone above Tim Duncan?

What did Elgin Baylor do that Tim Duncan didn't that puts Baylor ahead of him?

LeBron is easily top-15 at the very least.

Not a fan of this list but I realize it's not easy to put together a list of the top-100 NBA/ABA players.

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thanks for the critisism

thanks for the critisism elgin baylor in my opinion is a very hard player to rank i truely would love to put him higher because he was way ahead of his time with his athletisism and averaged 27 points 13 rebounds and 4 assists for his career i could definitely see rating duncan ahead of him to karl malone is top 2 in career points i think and i also feel that Lebron still has a long career ahead of him and thought that a lot of the players i put ahead of him like garnett hayes and thurmond and kidd have had better more accomplished careers because of how many years they have played in a few years Lebron will no doubt be 10-15 range but that is still a few years away imo very good critisism though

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Kudos for putting that

Kudos for putting that together but IMO there are alot of problems with the list in terms of order. For example Jerry Lucas being at #28 is way too high. Likewise Lebron being at #25 is too low. Obviously it would depend on your criteria, but it makes no sense for Lebron to be that low unless you're saying that his career has been too short, but in 9 seasons he has 6 All-NBA first team selections, 3 MVPs, and led his team to three finals appearances winning one, meaning he has already accomplished more than George Mikan and Nate Thurmond who are higher than him.

I also think Reggie Miller is way too high, a 5 time all-star who never got any higher credentials than 3 Third team All-NBA selections should not be higher than Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton or Dwyane Wade. Sure he was a great shooter but even in that regards Ray Allen should be at least as high, Allen has more All-star appearances, better career numbers, won a championship and was a better ball handler, passer and defender and is 35 spots lower.

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well jery lucas and Nate

well jery lucas and Nate Thurmond are 2 of the greatest rebounders in history and reggie miller made more crazy shots to win games than anybody

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well jery lucas and Nate

well jery lucas and Nate Thurmond are 2 of the greatest rebounders in history and reggie miller made more crazy shots to win games than anybody

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Sure, Thurmond was one of the greatest rebounders in history but if you honestly think he was a better all-around player, more dominant or had an overall greater impact on the game than Lebron, Dr J, Isaiah Thomas and Rick Barry etc then you're kidding yourself.

Reggie Miller made some crazy shots to win games? I guess if that's your criteria, you can completely throw out the fact that Drexler and Wade were better at every facet of the game (attacking the rim, scoring, defending, passing, rebounding, ball-handling) other than shooting and have more career accomplishments to boot.

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well dwight your opinions

well dwight your opinions make sense but i feel that mine do to thanks for the critisism and if you think you can do better post your list when you complete it

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I gave you a thumbs UP,just

I gave you a thumbs UP,just for attempting to make a top 100 list..Because its mostly based on a person's personal opinion.....So you wont get everyone to agree on it.. I remember some people including Danny Ainge & Micheal Jordan were outraged that Dominique Wilkens wasnt on the 50 list....And guys like Peter Vescey couldnt believe Bill Walton was on the list.....Some even said some of the older players from the 50's & 60's wouldnt make a nba roster today...And how could they be among the 50 all time greatest?

The TOP 50 GREATEST List came out in 1996..I think guys like Garnett,Duncan,Kobe,Kidd,Wade,Dirk & Nash ,would be among that top 50 list,if 1 was made by the media today.....So you have to decide who gets taken out?

Guys like Bill Walton might be removed from the top 50 list..He was without a doubt 1 of the premier big men of all time..But he only had 3 or 4 years of dominance,before injuries destroyed his career.......

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Clyde and Duncan are a too

Clyde and Duncan are a too low. Swich Shaq and Kobe, And Chris Paul should be ahead of Vince Carter for sure. But thumbs up, fairly solid!

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Lebron top 10-15 range when

Lebron top 10-15 range when it's over...? No, Lebron is top 10-15 now... I think he's top 5 when it's over. Love him or hate him, you have to appreciate the greatness

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Good stuff

I may not agree with many of your choices, but you said you were going to do it and you followed through. For that, definitely have to give you props. Decided to update mine and here it is, based on NBA play, accomplishment and with tie breakers going to who I feel is the flat out better player. Would be glad to discuss it and will admit that it may have a slight bias towards the players I got to see play more in the closer to modern era:

Requirement: Minimum 10 years in the league or retirement

1) Michael Jordan

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Shaquille O’Neal

4) Bill Russell

5) Wilt Chamberlain

6) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

7) Larry Bird

8) Magic Johnson

9) Tim Duncan

10) Oscar Robertson

11) Hakeem Olajuwon

12) Julius Erving

13) Jerry West

14) Moses Malone

15) LeBron James

16) Elgin Baylor

17) Bob Pettit

18) Rick Barry

19) Isiah Thomas

20) Karl Malone

21) Kevin Garnett

22) George Mikan

23) John Havlicek

24) Charles Barkley

25) David Robinson

26) Elvin Hayes

27) Walt Frazier

28) John Stockton

29) Scottie Pippen

30) George Gervin

31) Willis Reed

32) Bob Cousy

33) Walt Frazier

34) Dwyane Wade

35) David Thompson

36) Allen Iverson

37) Dirk Nowitzki

38) Kevin McHale

39) Bill Walton

40) Jason Kidd

41) Dominique Wilkins

42) Patrick Ewing

43) Paul Pierce

44) Gary Payton

45) Clyde Drexler

46) Tiny Archibald

47) Earl Monroe

48) Nate Thurmond

49) James Worthy

50) Dave Cowens

51) Pete Maravich

52) Wes Unseld

53) Bob McAdoo

54) Steve Nash

55) Bill Sharman

56) Ray Allen

57) Dolph Schayes

58) Sam Jones

59) Tracy McGrady

60) Billy Cunningham

61) Bernard King

62) Reggie Miller

63) Bob Lanier

64) Dave Bing

65) Paul Arizin

66) Jerry Lucas

67) Lenny Wilkens

68) Alonzo Mourning

69) Dennis Rodman

70) Jerry Lucas

71) Manu Ginobili

72) Joe Dumars

73) Hal Greer

74) Paul Arizin

75) Dennis Johnson

76) Tony Parker

77) Chris Mullin

78) Robert Parrish

79) Gail Goodrich

80) Artis Gilmore

81) Chauncey Billups

82) Dave DeBusschure

83) Spencer Haywood

84) Adrian Dantley

85) Carmelo Anthony

86) Ed Macauley

87) Alex English

88) Chris Webber

89) Gus Johnson

90) Vince Carter

91) Kevin Johnson

92) Grant Hill

93) Connie Hawkins

94) Pau Gasol

95) Mitch Richmond

96) George McGinnis

97) Dan Issel

98) Walt Bellamy

99) Maurice Cheeks

100) Dikembe Mutombo

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i would put kareem higher but

i would put kareem higher but i do like kobe at 2 i think hes a tough player to rank with everybody worthy of the spot he can go anywhere from 2-8. you have jerry l;ucas 2 spots lol you must like him even more than me. I would put gilmore and mcginnis higher and McGrady lower im my opinion. I love the david thompson pick i had him much lower but he had so much talent and because of his career being full of problems hes hard to rank. I think its a good list overall and obviously we have different opinions but i like it

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lol

Lame, thought I checked it fairly well, guess I didn't, lol. Well, here is an updated list, feel like a dumb@ss for that one:

Requirement: Minimum 10 years in the league or retirement

1) Michael Jordan

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Shaquille O’Neal

4) Bill Russell

5) Wilt Chamberlain

6) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

7) Larry Bird

8) Magic Johnson

9) Tim Duncan

10) Oscar Robertson

11) Hakeem Olajuwon

12) Julius Erving

13) Jerry West

14) Moses Malone

15) LeBron James

16) Elgin Baylor

17) Bob Pettit

18) Rick Barry

19) Isiah Thomas

20) Karl Malone

21) Kevin Garnett

22) George Mikan

23) John Havlicek

24) Charles Barkley

25) David Robinson

26) Elvin Hayes

27) Walt Frazier

28) John Stockton

29) Scottie Pippen

30) George Gervin

31) Willis Reed

32) Bob Cousy

33) Walt Frazier

34) Dwyane Wade

35) David Thompson

36) Allen Iverson

37) Dirk Nowitzki

38) Kevin McHale

39) Bill Walton

40) Jason Kidd

41) Dominique Wilkins

42) Patrick Ewing

43) Paul Pierce

44) Gary Payton

45) Clyde Drexler

46) Tiny Archibald

47) Earl Monroe

48) Nate Thurmond

49) James Worthy

50) Dave Cowens

51) Pete Maravich

52) Wes Unseld

53) Bob McAdoo

54) Steve Nash

55) Bill Sharman

56) Ray Allen

57) Dolph Schayes

58) Sam Jones

59) Tracy McGrady

60) Billy Cunningham

61) Bernard King

62) Reggie Miller

63) Bob Lanier

64) Dave Bing

65) Paul Arizin

66) Jerry Lucas

67) Lenny Wilkens

68) Alonzo Mourning

69) Dennis Rodman

70) Manu Ginobili

71) Joe Dumars

72) Hal Greer

73) Paul Arizin

74) Dennis Johnson

75) Tony Parker

76) Chris Mullin

77) Robert Parrish

78) Gail Goodrich

79) Artis Gilmore

80) Chauncey Billups

81) Dave DeBusschure

82) Spencer Haywood

83) Adrian Dantley

84) Carmelo Anthony

85) Ed Macauley

86) Alex English

87) Chris Webber

88) Gus Johnson

89) Vince Carter

90) Kevin Johnson

91) Grant Hill

92) Connie Hawkins

93) Pau Gasol

94) Mitch Richmond

95) George McGinnis

96) Dan Issel

97) Walt Bellamy

98) Maurice Cheeks

99) Dikembe Mutombo

100) JoJo White

Yeah, I think that my list would definitely be up for discussion. Once you get deep, it is really difficult to

separate. Tracy McGrady was so damned talented, think that when he was at his best he was a total force,

enough for him to at least be in the discussion for going that high. His lack of play-off, I guess "depth" might

be the best word to use, could put him lower. Kareem is a guy I have a hard time ranking so low. I know

most have him right after MJ, I just feel that those guys ranked in front of him either were better or in the case

of Bill Russell (who I am obviously partial too), the consummate winner of pro sports.

Their will be others Iwill have to add really soon. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams,

not tomention Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose among others. Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, even Andrew

Bynum if he is ever healthy all have legit chances as well. Glad you did this, would love for others

to step up and try as well. Also really like that while we may not agree, can definitely respect the others

opinion. In the end, all comes down to personal opinion. Always interesting to see someone's outlook on the

vast history of great NBA players, especially if it takes into account a wide perspective.

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Should have written that last part on a different post, lol

The formatting of moving my list from Word screwed it all up. Here is what it should look like, not that it was super profound or anything:

Yeah, I think that my list would definitely be up for discussion. Once you get deep, it is really difficult to separate. Tracy McGrady was so damned talented, think that when he was at his best he was a total force, enough for him to at least be in the discussion for going that high. His lack of play-off, I guess "depth" might be the best word to use, could put him lower. Kareem is a guy I have a hard time ranking so low. I know most have him right after MJ, I just feel that those guys ranked in front of him either were better or in the case of Bill Russell (who I am obviously partial too), the consummate winner of pro sports.

Their will be others I will have to add really soon. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams, not tomention Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose among others. Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, even Andrew Bynum if he is ever healthy all have legit chances as well. Glad you did this, would love for others to step up and try as well. Also really like that while we may not agree, can definitely respect the others opinion. In the end, all comes down to personal opinion. Always interesting to see someone's outlook on the vast history of great NBA players, especially if it takes into account a wide perspective.

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I understand these lists are

I understand these lists are near impossible to make good, but I don't see any argument for putting Jason Kidd above LeBron James.

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i like picks 65 and 73

i like picks 65 and 73

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What a mess I am, lol

Well, have to give you even more props for not making any of those mistakes. Hard to make a 100 person list without repeats, at least for me, lol. Added a player I had kind of forgotten about, Sidney Moncrief. Here is my (hopefully) final list as of this year:

Requirement: Minimum 10 years in the league or retirement

1) Michael Jordan

2) Kobe Bryant

3) Shaquille O’Neal

4) Bill Russell

5) Wilt Chamberlain

6) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

7) Larry Bird

8) Magic Johnson

9) Tim Duncan

10) Oscar Robertson

11) Hakeem Olajuwon

12) Julius Erving

13) Jerry West

14) Moses Malone

15) LeBron James

16) Elgin Baylor

17) Bob Pettit

18) Rick Barry

19) Isiah Thomas

20) Karl Malone

21) Kevin Garnett

22) George Mikan

23) John Havlicek

24) Charles Barkley

25) David Robinson

26) Elvin Hayes

27) Walt Frazier

28) John Stockton

29) Scottie Pippen

30) George Gervin

31) Willis Reed

32) Bob Cousy

33) Walt Frazier

34) Dwyane Wade

35) David Thompson

36) Allen Iverson

37) Dirk Nowitzki

38) Kevin McHale

39) Bill Walton

40) Jason Kidd

41) Dominique Wilkins

42) Patrick Ewing

43) Paul Pierce

44) Gary Payton

45) Clyde Drexler

46) Tiny Archibald

47) Earl Monroe

48) Nate Thurmond

49) James Worthy

50) Dave Cowens

51) Pete Maravich

52) Wes Unseld

53) Bob McAdoo

54) Steve Nash

55) Bill Sharman

56) Ray Allen

57) Dolph Schayes

58) Sam Jones

59) Tracy McGrady

60) Billy Cunningham

61) Bernard King

62) Reggie Miller

63) Bob Lanier

64) Dave Bing

65) Paul Arizin

66) Jerry Lucas

67) Lenny Wilkens

68) Alonzo Mourning

69) Dennis Rodman

70) Manu Ginobili

71) Joe Dumars

72) Hal Greer

73) Dennis Johnson

74) Tony Parker

75) Chris Mullin

76) Robert Parrish

77) Gail Goodrich

78) Artis Gilmore

79) Chauncey Billups

80) Dave DeBusschure

81) Spencer Haywood

82) Adrian Dantley

83) Carmelo Anthony

84) Ed Macauley

85) Alex English

86) Chris Webber

87) Gus Johnson

88) Vince Carter

89) Kevin Johnson

90) Grant Hill

91) Connie Hawkins

92) Pau Gasol

93) Mitch Richmond

94) George McGinnis

95) Dan Issel

96) Sidney Moncrief

97) Walt Bellamy

98) Maurice Cheeks

99) Dikembe Mutombo

100) JoJo White

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well dwight your opinions

well dwight your opinions make sense but i feel that mine do to thanks for the critisism and if you think you can do better post your list when you complete it

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To be honest I've just been killed with school work for the last week. Here's my list of my top 20 players at each position. Obviously everybody is going to use different criteria and some players can fit into a couple different positions (Dave Bing and David Thompson for example), but I am taking ABA production into account and players must at least be entering their 8th year in the league. When I have some more time I'll try to organize it into a top 100 list (that list will probably have a few extra centers and shooting guards and a few less point guards)

C
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Shaquille O’Neal
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Moses Malone
7. David Robinson
8. Patrick Ewing
9. George Mikan
10. Willis Reed
11. Dave Cowens
12. Nate Thurmond
13. Artis Gilmore
14. Bill Walton
15. Wes Unseld
16. Bob Lanier
17. Mel Daniels
18. Walt Bellamy
19. Alonzo Mourning
20. Robert Parrish

PF
1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Bob Petit
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Charles Barkley
6. Elvin Hayes
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Kevin McHale
9. Jerry Lucas
10. Dolph Schayes
11. Dave DeBusschere
12. Bob McAdoo
13. George McGinnis
14. Dennis Rodman
15. Spencer Haywood
16. Chris Webber
17. Connie Hawkins
18. Gus Johnson
19. Pau Gasol
20. Chris Bosh

SF
1. Larry Bird
2. Julius Erving
3. Lebron James
4. Elgin Baylor
5. John Havlicek
6. Rick Barry
7. Scottie Pippin
8. Dominique Wilkins
9. Paul Pierce
10. James Worthy
11. Adrian Dantley
12. Alex English
13. Paul Arizin
14. Billy Cunningham
15. Chris Mullin
16. Bernard King
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. David Thompson
19. Grant Hill
20. Marques Johnson

SG
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Jerry West
4. George Gervin
5. Allen Iverson
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Clyde Drexler
8. Pete Maravich
9. Ray Allen
10. Reggie Miller
11. Tracey McGrady
12. Earl Monroe
13. Sam Jones
14. Hal Greer
15. Joe Dumars
16. Bill Sharman
17. Dennis Johnson
18. Vince Carter
19. Gail Goodrich
20. Sidney Moncrief

PG
1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isaiah Thomas
4. John Stockton
5. Bob Cousy
6. Jason Kidd
7. Walt Frazier
8. Steve Nash
9. Gary Payton
10. Nate Archibald
11. Lenny Wilkins
12. Chris Paul
13. Dave Bing
14. Kevin Johnson
15. Tim Hardaway
16. Tony Parker
17. Gus Williams
18. Louie Dampier
19. Chauncey Billups
20. Maurice Cheeks

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